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user1182183
3:00 PM
:D
 
@David19801 I wish you could hear my evil laugh right now!
 
The lounge is one plane of oblivion.
 
@GamErix If idiots can understand it, it's probably wrong.
That goes for most things, btw.
 
Xeo
lol
 
Ell
Hi guys
 
user1182183
3:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes examples? Because I Disagree
 
@rogcg Who? What? Uh?
 
@GamErix If you want to feel bad, btw, that same explanation is on wikipedia.
 
Ell
Has anyone written a windows service before?
 
@EtiennedeMartel what?
 
@GamErix Idiots cannot understand complex things because, hmm, well, they are idiots.
 
user1182183
3:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I feel bad, I tried to avoid Wiki
 
as in one that runs with noboy logged on?
 
Ell
Yeah
 
user1182183
teachers Do check whenever something is copy pasted from the net ;X
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes See your nearest conservative for more details.
 
Ell
Well, any kind of windows service
 
3:02 PM
I have not, no.
 
@Ell My copy of Windows has quite a few services running, so I'm pretty sure somebody must have.
 
Ell
I want root access for permanent basically
 
Xeo
Hmm.. damn, 2 hours still.
 
Ell
heh :3 they climbed out of hell into your machine
 
@Ell Run it as administrator?
 
Ell
3:02 PM
@gam yes xD
 
(That sounds like a bad idea btw)
 
If anyone's wondering, I'm still hungry.
 
user1182183
@Ell well I haven't written but I've done the trick that launches a command prompt as a service (highest possible privilidges)
 
Now I'm hungry too.
 
@Ell Service != root access
 
Xeo
3:03 PM
My brain is a mess today, for whatever reason
 
Why is it that you guys cannot operate your system normally without admin privileges. That always baffles me.
 
Ell
it is a bad idea I'm convinced.
 
I recently discovered in recent days, lots of programs decide, apparently for your convenience, to add themselves to startup processes.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can, I even blocked moving/deleting files on my backup storage
 
Ell
I will be operating someone else's system >:D
 
user1182183
3:04 PM
creation is possible though :P
 
@Ell Erm. Are you trying to write a backdoor?
 
Ell
Only my friend... I just want to see if I can get admin access remotely. As a challenge :D
 
user1182183
@Ell You don't need a windows service for that
 
user1182183
Check out the Task Scheduler
 
Ell
Right okay
I will :P when I get home
 
user1182183
3:05 PM
@Ell that's how FRAPS is launched without prompting for admin credentials
 
Ell
oh
 
user1182183
I can export you my Tasks if you want some ready to go
 
Ell
Sneaky fraps.
I'll have A look at least
 
I thought fraps needed to access the graphics memory?
 
Is it bad to fake to be ill not to go to class, when the only one you are lying to is yourself?
 
3:06 PM
The year is 2020. The Lounge members have covertly opted in to form a secret organization which fights everything that is just and good in this world.
 
the placebo effect works both was
 
Ell
But when I get home
 
if you're desperate to be ill, you can be
 
@DeadMG I think I'll stop thinking about how having cancer feels. Thanks.
 
Ell
It's called the nocebo effect
 
3:08 PM
@DeadMG That is curious. It makes me think any real illness is caused by ourself
 
> Funny typo: alais mkae=make
 
user1182183
@Ell Example:
 
Ell
I don't understsnd The placebo effect
 
user1182183
 
Ell
3:09 PM
it doesn't make any sense!
Inb4 bin
 
Can you paste that outside, please?
 
Maybe lung cancer is caused by guilt, not by smoking.
 
Ell
@gam can you link me a pastebin later?
 
@Ell Correct.
 
@Jueecy You joined a guild, which game?
 
user1182183
3:09 PM
Ideone is slow today
 
@GamErix SERYSLY U WUD XPEKT PPL TO NOW DAT BY KNOW.
 
Does anybody here make games as a hobby?
 
@user190929 I used to make chess sets
 
"make games" might be a stretch, but it seems there are many people here that "try to make games" as a hobby.
 
@Jueecy Uh, no.
 
3:10 PM
@DomagojPandža, dat autocorrect
 
illness is caused by pathogens and chemical imbalances.
but it can sure be helped along by your mind.
 
user1182183
@Ell There ya go, ideone finally sent a url back :P
 
I mean to say, make games as in computer games, although thank for for exploiting that ambiguity :D
 
one of medicine's biggest questions is how the placebo effect works, and why it exists
 
Maybe I'm creating pathogens and chemical imbalances with my mind. Maybe this universe is created by my mind.
 
3:11 PM
@user190929 That's just about what we do here.
 
Oh god. Maybe I am God.
 
I have noticed that, yes.
 
$ python -q
>>> '\N{GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA}'
'Ω'
>>>
Python is cool.
 
That works?
 
>>> '\N{BANANA}'
'�'
 
3:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got 'Athens'
 
Sadly my terminal font does not support bananas.
 
@user190929 I write game development middleware for a living, games themselves no. They require way too much effort and little to no ROI.
Whuy?
 
@DomagojPandža So you don't count!
 
Ok I'm sorry.
 
user1357851
maybe u r a dog? ... being Dyslexic
 
3:15 PM
@DomagojPandža How do you define "game middleware"? Libraries?
 
@Telkitty No, please leave the huge ASCII banana. I'm intrigued.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, he does count, just not past about 5.
 
If you're one of those aspiring to a career in the game industry, make yourself useful and learn about rendering architectures and tool development. Game designers and game programmers are too damn high.
 
@DomagojPandža I'm only a little bit high when I code, really.
 
@AndreiTita ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.
 
3:17 PM
Is there a well written cross platform c++ library for developing on mobile phones nowadays?
 
@user190929 Platforms for developing games, this includes vectorized math libraries, the general rendering architecture, the development of tools (scene editors, animation editors, shader authoring tools, texture generation tools etc.). It's really a broad term for everything that someone needs to make a game. It could be just one thing, or all of them.
 
@DomagojPandža Probably true, but I would do games a as hobby. I would prefer to be... well, not a game programmer, but... normal software development, I guess. Good thing for those who make tools,though.
 
But the good part is, you don't care about how their game does. You just supply the shit they need and gtfo. :D
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, that old pun. Apparently someone still finds it funny.
 
user1357851
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user1357851
3:18 PM
@AndreiTita there you go, peeled 4 u
 
Appreciate it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Surprised me a bit, TBH.
 
Unicode a silly question, get a silly Unicode Consortium.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's me!
 
There, I modernised it.
 
3:19 PM
@user190929 If it's a hobby, enjoy it. But don't be disappointed if it fails on the market. That usually happens. 99.9% of the time.
 
I might have removed any of the little humour that was still there, but at it least it is modern.
 
Xeo
I just noticed... no xkcd what-if today
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Worse, if Unicode is the answer, it must have been a pretty bad question.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'Unicode' and 'humour' cannot coexist in the same namespace.
 
@JerryCoffin But Unicode was the question...
 
3:20 PM
Unicode is sad. He's that guy you have to sit with in the bus because every other seat is taken. He stinks, looks ugly... But if you can get past that, he can say something interesting. Or stab you with a shiv. Sometimes both.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes So it's the question and the answer?
 
@Xeo At least you've made me check too.
 
Standards Affective Disorder
 
user1357851
@user190929 here is a great starting point: youtube.com/watch?v=t6YiKNtCbF4
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In that case, the answer is definitely No!
 
Xeo
3:22 PM
@JerryCoffin And what is the alternative?
 
@Xeo Dreaming of a better world?
 
Can we have ASCII back and just ignore the Koreans and Chinese?
3
 
@MartinJames Yes.
 
If you were wondering, I'm watching Lost for the second time. It's just... wow. Those feelings...
 
@MartinJames Please.
 
3:23 PM
@MartinJames ASCII is not completely suitable for English...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a joke, robot. :(
 
@Jueecy Why would you want to waste more time on that?
 
If ez == 12345, ze = 54321, zez = 543212345, eze = 123454321, then what's zzee?
 
user1357851
@MartinJames can not ignore Algeria, where most of the hard working scammers are located at.
 
what is the order of nc3?
 
3:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...or German, or Russian, or Croatian, but I'd put up with it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes, 1) that australian blonde chick. 2) Because it makes me happy
 
Urgh, this coffee is getting cold
 
@Jueecy I am sure someone made some selection of only the scenes with that australian blonde chick on and put it up somewhere.
 
@DeadMG 3cn or cn3, depends if you wanna place digits before letters or after
 
3:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Happens to me all the time, I always forget about it when I drink half.
 
Of course, googling for "that australian blonde chick compilation" isn't likely to work.
 
I only watched the first couple series. Got boring, Aussie hot chick or not.
 
user1357851
@CCInc 5543211
 
I don't currently plan to sell games, no. Learning thing. I doubt I could make any useful non games, either, so :D
 
@Telkitty Nice, ty
 
3:28 PM
I'm still arguing with myself which me is going to go and make coffee for me.
 
user1357851
@CCInc you hacking someone's password?
 
@DomagojPandža Why don't you both go?
 
@Telkitty No.
 
@DomagojPandža Help each other out.
 
@DomagojPandža Do like a real programmer and...switch to Mountain Dew.
 
click
 
OK, someone else click..
 
in Sandbox, Dec 16 '12 at 22:52, by Shaquin Trifonoff
Don't click this: http://shaquin.tk/experiments/test3.html
 
@CCInc, ok
 
3:31 PM
@JerryCoffin I've always wanted to try that. I'm not even sure it's available in Croatia.
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin red bull does nothing for me, maybe I am doomed >_<
 
@DomagojPandža ...and here I'd heard Croatia was civilized... :-)
 
bool is an integral type (according to 3.9.1/7), thus both false and true are integral constant expressions of integral type (as per 5.19, no surprise so far), so wichever evaluates to zero is a null pointer constant (as per 4.10/1). The standard only states that false only converts to 0 (and true to 1), it does not tell what it evaluates to (same problem as in CWG 1448). Ad absurdum in C++11 it it allowed for an implementation to evaluate true to 0 and false to 42 (just make sure it is converted to another integral type correctly), effectively making true the null pointer constant, what is
WTF? (@Xeo you know anything about this madness? Sounds perfect for Hell++)
 
@Telkitty If I comment on Red Bull, people will think Cat has hacked my account.
 
@JerryCoffin I've seen that thing around here in Berlin, but I have yet to try it.
 
user1357851
3:33 PM
cat is perpertually drunk
 
Red Bull sucks. It's like shitty sugar in water.
 
@JerryCoffin well, you are 'mercan, and you guys are scared to all hell of caffeine
@Telkitty Polish, not quite the same
 
user1357851
Oo :x
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes IMO, nothing special. bit sickly even
 
Ahahaha, just opened the profile pic of Cat. Hilarious.
 
3:34 PM
@thecoshman What? You think Mountain Dew doesn't have caffeine?
 
@JerryCoffin where did I say that?
 
@thecoshman In his head.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, what
 
user1357851
I used to have a friend who came to the 8am class with a mountain dew and some breakfast everyday
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh. bools don't evaluate to numbers. they evalute to bools unless converted to numbers
 
3:35 PM
Always saw that as an owl. "Cat Plus Plus" should have given me an hint though.
 
I just ordered Mountain Dew off Ebay. I'm a curious motherfucker.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Crazy stuff
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But bool is an integral type :(
 
@Jueecy bet you're feeling real smart :P
 
When I first saw the code "boolean someValue", I was confused. Then I realized, it was java :D they make everything longer...
 
3:38 PM
@thecoshman If I were scared of caffeine, why would I prefer something that had caffeine?
 
is that star simply because I used the correct spelling?
 
@thecoshman, I'm just laughing too hard on that pic. Tears and all.
 
@JerryCoffin ¬_¬ you don't get generalisations do you
 
@thecoshman Nope. I never generalize!
 
@thecoshman Wow, you really think much of yourself, don't you?
 
3:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes was it you who presumed by current avatar was just some Photoshop filters applied to my old one?
 
@thecoshman Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, just keeping tabs...
 
@thecoshman It was a sarcastic way of saying you are underestimating yourself.
 
user1125394
Hi, i'm a noob to c++, I don't understand the following:
 
Me too
 
3:40 PM
Me neither.
 
user1125394
QuoteClient^ qc = gcnew QuoteClient(.......);
qc->OnQuote += gcnew QuoteEventHandler(this, &Main::qc_OnQuote);
 
@Telkitty Now we know you're a liar -- claiming you once had a friend. Hah!
 
user1125394
the "+="
 
That's C++/CLI.
WTF did I write.
 
C++CCC++C
 
3:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Evil, evil things.
 
user1125394
well that's just appending
 
@crl It subscribes to that event with the event handler on the left.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I haven't exactly got a strong track record have I?
 
CLI can choke on a dick.
 
user1125394
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm k, that's pretty weird to see "+=" for that
 
3:42 PM
@Xeo Did you and Luc figure out the lambda equality thing from yesterday?
 
QuoteClient^
 
@crl It's the same as in C#, FTR.
 
Client^
^
 
Xeo
@DomagojPandža Not yet
 
The hell is ^?
 
3:42 PM
@Jueecy Managed handle.
 
user1125394
I know less C# than c++, so you can imagine ;)
 
@Jueecy "Garbage-collected pointer", if you will.
 
Basically it's... Martinho updated.
 
user1125394
on Java maybe..
 
@Jueecy They call that a handle. It's vaguely on the same order as a pointer or reference.
 
3:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes, thanks god that's not C++.
 
It's Microsoft's C++/CLI monstrosity.
 
I don't get the dislike for C++/CLI to be honest.
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin the friend is still there, just not sure we are still friends (haven't seen each other for like 2+ years). Plus, if you are really a C++ person, only friends have access to your private members :x
 
It's a great tool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It has more hats than TF2!
 
3:43 PM
It was never meant as a general purpose tool, so stop treating it as such.
 
@DomagojPandža What a horrible insult! Monstrosities all over the world are going to hate you forever for that.
 
why is std::string::data() of type const char* and not just char*
I need to pass it to C API
 
(Also, just to make you feel even more disgusted, there's an open-source implementation of C++/CLI with extensions)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, it was (for a short time).
 
May 21 '12 at 19:31, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Yes, extensions to the CLI extensions to the variant of C++ with all the Microsoft extensions!
@JerryCoffin But it was not called C++/CLI at the time! :P
Semantics save my ass!
 
3:47 PM
At least C++/CLI is better than the old Managed Extensions
 
@TonyTheLion It's a reference to the internal data, const to prevent modification of the underlying data from underneath it. Best to make a naked char* copy if feasible?
But ownership questions arise.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, it was. When they first came out with "Managed C++", they said it was general purpose. Then they admitted it should only be used for interop. Then they came out with C++/CLI, and said (more or less): "Okay, this time we got it right -- it's really a general purpose tool." Then they backed off again, and admitted it was really only useful for interop. Now, we're at round 3, and sure enough they're claiming that C++/CX is really a general purpose tool...
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, ok, then :S
 
@JerryCoffin I watched the launch event, and Herb explicitly stated that it was only for interop.
 
@DeadMG indirectly explicitly I am sure :P
 
user1125394
3:49 PM
so in C++/CLI += can append stuff in lists?
 
@TonyTheLion SOP is &s[0], I think.
@crl Don't think so.
 
user1125394
hmm
 
@DeadMG Which? For C++/CLI, or for C++/CX? In any case, regardless of what Herb may have said, the official message from MS in general was that it was general purpose (both times).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
user1125394
qc->OnQuote += gcnew QuoteEventHandler is doing what exactly?
 
user1125394
3:50 PM
appending to a variable?
 
@JerryCoffin C++/CX.
 
9 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@crl It subscribes to that event with the event handler on the left.
 
@crl That is event handling
 
user1125394
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes... seen it
 
user1125394
ok
 
3:50 PM
That's it.
 
user1125394
specific to this class ok
 
It's nicer in C#
Just like everything else in C++/CLI
 
@crl Specific to events, actually, which are a special entity.
 
C++/CLI exists to bridge existing C++ code to CLI
 
So, I've wrapped OpenGL ES with C++, it's actually usable now. Need to give it a catchy name, though.
 
3:53 PM
OpenGL ES++.
Duh.
 
@CatPlusPlus And if you evade CLI like the plague, you don't even have to consider it.
 
Es OpenGL
 
@DeadMG For one example. They undoubtedly do talk about it being purely for interop in places, but that's certainly not how I'd interpret something like: "The new model represents the next generation of native C++ programming on Windows."
 
Spanish!
 
@DomagojPandža Well I don't
 
user1125394
3:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes k i see now, (stackoverflow.com/a/462847/1125394)
 
Le OpenGL Es
 
user1125394
thx R.MartinhoFernandes
 
user1125394
hmm, on windows nicks don't autocomplete
 
They do if you type @
 
3:55 PM
Nicks only autocomplete after @
 
I just love when rain is falling outside and I'm here, all warm and cozy, wrapped in a blanket and writing code. <3
 
user1357851
This is ... just way too cute:
 
user1357851
 
Bahahah. Saved by the bell.
 
[Image not found] is definitely cute.
 
3:57 PM
Image not found. lol
 
I like to think that the chat detected it was Telkitty trying to post an image and protected us.
2
 
Btw, @DeadMG, regarding the error handling strategies for invalid Unicode stuffs, I think I will be stealing from Python's model. Thought you might want to know.
 
I have no idea what Python's is
 
It's on the Internet!
 
user1357851
@DomagojPandža yes, a cute animal picture a day, keeps all the psychiatrists away!
 

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