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1:00 PM
Most I made in a year, £130k, least, 0. The average must be 65K.
 
@Mhjr Grow some balls. If you're going to use this chat room, don't try to hide it when you call people fuckers. You either think I'm a fucker, or you don't. If you don't, don't say it. And if you do, don't fucking edit it in and then back out a second later
 
:)
 
You are allowed to say "fucker" in here, so go ahead and do it, if that's what you think needs to be said
 
XD
 
OK, I'm going to the PHP room to hide :)
 
1:01 PM
fuck fuck fuckity fuck
 
ugh, what's with the flags now?
 
jalf I love you man
 
fuckers who can't comprehend the word fuck being said
 
@thecoshman fuck them
 
@jalf fucking hell! I fucking agree with you so fucking hard I think I shat my fucking cock off
 
1:03 PM
...
 
fucking join in you bastard robot
 
Fuck it, I'm back. PHP discussing css. I'd rather have the fuckBattle.
 
you lasted long
 
Too long, for css :(
 
life is too short for css
 
1:06 PM
come on now, that's not the lounge way of saying things
fuck css
we still getting flagged to fuck?
 
css is the reason for many miscarriages - the foeti don't want to live in a world with css, (or any other web tech).
 
Flagging was just an annoying person removal service so chill the fuck out
 
@MartinJames hmm... it's certainly an odd view
 
user1357851
watch your language, this lounge is full of children, think about the children, think about cat and puppy >_<
 
@CatPlusPlus are you fucking sure? oh is more senseless fucking required?
@Telkitty ...
fuck them
 
I thought most loungers didn't give a fuck?
 
user1357851
kids don't know better :p
 
@MartinJames Personally, I like to keep them all to myself.
 
@AndreiTita Meh - it just wants it's ears rubbing.
 
user1357851
@AndreiTita r u michael Jackson?
 
1:11 PM
@Telkitty *Zombie
 
@Telkitty any children left unatended will be told to fuck off
 
user1357851
Oo, zombie children, charming
 
@thecoshman ..or subject to controlled explosion.
 
no, just told to fuck off. If they run off crying, meh, if they stick around, meh
 
Generally I found that during work hours the quality of the conversation here is significantly higher than average, but today I'm being proven wrong.
Is it a Tuesday thing?
 
user1357851
1:15 PM
This lounge isn't for Europeans only
 
well usually I only pipe in when something worth while is being talked about, but flagging will result in me swearing till it stops, in protest
 
Probably. Last weekend just a faded memory, next weekend beyond horizon, across a sea of gunge code and pointless meetings.
 
> no meeting is pointless - nobody ever
 
@thecoshman Even those with soul-destroying PowerPoint presentations?
 
@MartinJames zoom
 
user1357851
1:17 PM
@MartinJames no, usually I bring my own entertainment to those ... be it my phone, pen & paper or just day dreaming
 
@thecoshman It's still early - not really awake yet.
 
@MartinJames you EU right?
 
user1357851
pen & paper can be quite good entertainment, especially when you bring multi-colored point pens
 
@thecoshman Yeah - but I worked 'till 0400 this morning ;(
 
@MartinJames ¬_¬ what on earth are you playing at?
 
1:21 PM
@thecoshman Sadly, actual work. Unicode/BIG5 upgrade to old app.
 
but work is surely over by 1800... and doesn't possibly start before 0700...
 
@thecoshman I blame the Lounge. I gotta strike a blow occasionally.
 
@MartinJames how very dare you :O
 
Hmm, people debating whether std::make_integer_seq (aka make_indices or whatever) should require O(N) or O(log N) instantiations.
I wonder why no one thought of requiring O(1) instead.
 
@thecoshman Heh! It's like this: if I change the language from German to Chinese, say, and then shut down the app with the task manager, some forms have not streamed to disk correctly during the language change and, next time I start it, some forms are in Chinese, some in German :(
 
1:28 PM
@MartinJames I mean, how dare you blame the lounge
 
@thecoshman Oh! I apologize :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think people often forget the O(1) is a thing
@MartinJames that's quite ok, we all make mistakes sometimes :P
 
@thecoshman In this case, I think people forgot that the standard library does not have to be implementable in C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, it is an odd thing really. To have a standard library that can only happen thanks to compiler magik.
 
Is there any C/C++ compiler that exposes MMX or SSE instructions using scalar types defined by the compiler (just like "int"). eg : vec4 sum = var1 + var2; //would add four 16bits integers at a time. vec4 could also be accessed like this vec4.a, vec4.b, vec4.c, vec4.d. also possible to initialise with vec4 foo = vec4(20,50,10,60); is there such a thing ?
 
1:31 PM
@thecoshman It is?
WTF.
If I can implement it myself, I don't really need it in the standard library.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I mean it is an odd thing to think about.
 
I really want there the stuff that I can't, and that includes stuff that requires magic.
@tigrou There are libraries that do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, most of what is in the SL is not needed but it is basic stuff common enough that it helps if it is just standard for everyone. Last thing you want is encouraging people reinvent the wheels
 
@thecoshman People will do it anyway, and yes, most of what is there is needed because it is hard enough to implement that I can't take the time to do it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes : ok great. but why is it not directly handled by compiler, just like standard types (float int) ?
 
Xeo
1:33 PM
@thecoshman <type_traits>
 
user1182183
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like @ThePhD ? :p
 
user1182183
^^ If the retards I'm working with won't understand that... I'm working with bigger
retards than I expect
 
@tigrou Because compiler writers did not bother doing it? I really don't know any other justification.
 
@GamErix There's some Dutch in that slide.
 
user1182183
1:35 PM
@StackedCrooked yep
 
@GamErix well, not sure if FORTAN is a high level language, but I take your point.
 
@GamErix It's not unreasonable - anyone alive know any assembler for that machine?
 
Xeo
@GamErix I hope somebody will call you out on the assembly not matching. :)
 
user1182183
@Xeo just copy pasted 2 pieces together
 
1:36 PM
@GamErix erm...?
 
user1182183
@thecoshman > The first successful high level programming language.
 
user1357851
@GamErix there is a difference better being dumb and being ignorant. Not knowing that says nothing about whether some's a retard, maybe (s)he was not a geek back in the days >_<
 
user1182183
@Telkitty I'm targeting my speech to a audience which from I do not expect to understand any of that code/stuff ; > they just have to understand the "how it works"
 
@GamErix how what works? abstraction?
 
user1182183
@thecoshman no, how hello world becomes 1's and 0's :P
 
1:38 PM
@Telkitty s/better/between/
 
@GamErix I bet someone recognises it.
 
@tigrou because different platforms have different (or entirely missing) SIMD instruction sets, and standardizing it without sacrificing performacne in any case is nontrivial
 
user1182183
@MartinJames We can bet.. xD My speech is 14-03
 
@jalf I don't think he was talking about standardising it.
 
user1357851
@thecoshman true
 
1:39 PM
@jalf : arent C/C++ compilers platform specific ?
 
@tigrou the output they generate obviously is. The input they accept, and how they process it, is supposed to follow the C++ standard, which is not platform specific
 
@GamErix "Do you know nothing? The Intel architecture was based on that machine!". No-one will be able to prove otherwise:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, sure, it could be done as a nonstandard extension I guess.
 
user1182183
@MartinJames XD
 
user1182183
"Lol I'm from Intel"
 
user1182183
1:41 PM
xD
 
but it would be kind of a niche feature for the convenience of people who generally are willing to sacrifice convenience. So I doubt it'd really be worth it, unless it was done as part of the language standardization
 
Since compilers offer a something_something_add primitive, they could just as well offer +
 
user1182183
Then they can prove xD
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, if that's all you need, gcc does that iirc.
I think msvc has a header lying around somewhere which enables something similar too
 
@GamErix Not unless they are, like, 100 years old.
 
1:43 PM
I don't think SIMD is really a general purpose requirement suitable for standardisation. mostly because of how hardware specific it is
 
FWIW, there is a proposal for standardised SIMD ops in the works.
No idea how that will be received.
 
How you would for example make SIMD standard with both x86 and ARM?
 
but isn't hardware that fails to support it still rather common?
 
user784668
I'll make a Hamming distance operator proposal.
 
1:44 PM
Second from the bottom.
 
IMHO there is some merit few vector data types with some SIMD like ops
 
@jalf no it's just vague (aka "implementation defined") in some places ;)
 
I bet that NEON (ARM SIMD) and SSE have nothing to do with each other
 
user1182183
@MartinJames hehe ;D
 
@thecoshman So what? There are lots of things not supported by hardware in the standard.
 
1:44 PM
@speeder well, you're wrong then ;)
there is a lot of overlap in the functionality they offer
 
@speeder: Judging from the GCC mailing lists, there is quite a lot of overlap.
 
@speeder I except the core functionality provided to be exactly the same.
 
different instructions and the intrinsics are named differently and so on, and each has some operations that the other lacks, but for the most part, they do the same thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but SIMD is very much hardware dependent right? well... I guess it could be software emulated... not sure how well that could work though
 
user784668
@thecoshman Most CPUs I know fail to support std::string in hardware.
 
1:45 PM
@thecoshman Just like floating point arithmetic is.
 
Interesting.
 
user784668
@thecoshman Emulated SIMD will be the same as N separate scalars.
 
Good to know :)
 
how do I assign a value to a std::array<int ,2>. I was trying with arr.at(i) = value, but I got out_of_bound
 
It's a standard for a programming language environment not for an hardware environment.
 
1:46 PM
I wonder why ARM named their FP unit as Vector FP and it is not vectorized.
 
@thecoshman If you are in a platform without SIMD, it won't be any slower than doing the ops manually.
 
user784668
@rogcg the index cannot be out of bounds
 
user784668
NEXT!
 
@rogcg arr.at(2) is the third element in your 2-element array. Check that ;)
 
user784668
I'd like to see a working standard vector type.
 
user784668
1:48 PM
You know, one that works well on NEON and AltiVec and AVX.
 
@jalf Indeed!
 
I got the error
 
user784668
Problem: AVX registers are twice as big.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG: Even the Clang people rant about Clang needing complex code. :D youtube.com/watch?v=mVbDzTM21BQ&t=11m30s
 
@Fanael How is that a problem?
 
1:53 PM
@Fanael So? A long is twice as big as an int on some platforms too
 
Ooh! Lounge meetings may become even easier - Boeing is getting a $18bn order for cattle-trucks with wings.
 
@MartinJames how does that solve how anti-social most of the people here are?
 
@thecoshman Hmm.. might make it easier to get away?
 
I'm losing my head, I'm going insane
I heard what you said, your voice in my brain
I'm already gone, my eyes turnin' red
The damage is done, I'm losing my..
 
I'm just anti-social around people who don't know what a register is.
I'm judgemental like that.
 
1:58 PM
@rogcg, wtf
 
@thecoshman I'm not anti-social, I'm just shy.
 
@Jueecy AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA‌​AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
..bread?
 
just trying to initialize an array
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And you always sound tired. :D
 
1:59 PM
@DomagojPandža Really?
 
@rogcg, I understand your pain then.
 

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