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8:00 PM
It runs WP8. So there aren't that many apps for it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ROFL
 
user142019
Only thing I’m concerned about is the touchscreen.
 
user142019
Touchscreens are either 100% perfect or the suck donkey cock.
 
What touch screens have you used?
 
user142019
iPod touch, iPhone, iPad, Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung Star and an HTC.
 
user142019
8:03 PM
Samsung Star was the worst phone ever.
 
The Lumia is supposed to have a nice touch screen that works with gloves on.
 
user142019
Galaxy S II had a good touch screen (ignoring the terrible colors); it did what I wanted it to do.
 
user142019
Heh. I never wear gloves.
 
:The new nexus 7 is pretty good
 
user142019
Where the fuck can I buy a Lumia 920.
 
user142019
8:05 PM
There is no buy link on Nokia’s site and I can’t find one on any of the Dutch phone companies.
 
It didn't come out yet.
 
user142019
I only get Lumia 800 and Lumia 900.
 
user142019
@Rapptz Oh. Meh.
 
user142019
When is the release date?
 
It's not out yet. You could only buy the HTC 8X
 
8:06 PM
It came out in the UK on Nov 2. I know the US is getting it Nov 11.
 
user142019
Oh November 2.
 
No idea about Europe.
 
user142019
27 November it’ll be in The Netherlands.
 
user142019
How expensive is it in the UK?
 
Oh cool. It's $150 in the US w/ a contract.
 
user142019
8:07 PM
£49.99 once and £41.00/month
 
user142019
1GB data plan.
 
@Zoidberg'-- kill me later.
 
Xeo
Man, I finally got through that video...
 
user142019
£41.00 is €51.21 ಠ_ಠ
 
Xeo
Felt like 15 random stops.
So fucking annoying.
 
8:09 PM
Everything is expensive in the UK.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Ow. That's fucking expensive.
 
user142019
 
user142019
^ WTF
 
user142019
That makes no fucking sense. It’s the same operator.
 
lol maybe they meant 149.99
 
8:09 PM
@Xeo 23:47 still no hitch
 
Xeo
:|
 
@Xeo Are you using HTML 5?
 
user142019
But wait. €50/month for 24 months.
 
Xeo
Nope, Flash.
 
@Zoidberg'-- maybe it
 
user142019
8:10 PM
€1200. They’re crazy.
 
is like fixed price per chip
 
user142019
Chip?
 
but it doesn't add up
 
user142019
It’s the data plan. 1GB/month or 500MB/month.
 
user142019
How much is 500MB/month for a smartphone that is extensively used every day, with Wi-Fi 70% of the time?
 
8:13 PM
Should be fair. I use ~500Mb a month doing basic browsing, newsfeeds, several email accounts, google calendar.
 
lemme see how much data I wasted the month of october
 
user142019
@sehe 500GB/month ಠ_ಠ
 
@sehe Gb?
 
:)
 
I very much prefer my 0.1/0.1GB @€0.3 per month, wired. You kids can have your wireless shenanigans.
 
user142019
8:14 PM
And 500MB ≠ 500Mb. :P
 
279.62 MB of 2,048 MB
 
I think MB == Mb != MiB
 
user142019
@sehe I’ll only do browsing and chatting.
 
Mb != MB
 
Oh I forgot about a fair bit of Google Navigation
 
user142019
8:15 PM
MB is 1000000B, Mb is 1000000b, MiB is 1024KiB. No discussion. Period.
 
oh right mbit - I use it only for bandwidth
 
user142019
So 500MB would be enough?
 
Well I never pass my 2 GB limit but 500 MB is kind of pushing it
 
user142019
I have Wi-Fi at home and at school so I won’t be using the data plan in that case.
 
Shouldn't matter if you have Wifi often though.
 
8:16 PM
@Zoidberg'-- Your call. I have 1Gb and occasionally require more than 500Mb, so it's a tough call -
But I hardly use any wifi on my phone
 
@Zoidberg'-- The second is 4G, I think.
 
Still expensive as fuck
 
but you can get unlimited data 3G plans for much, much less.
 
user142019
@DeadMG ah of course.
 
I have unlimited data for £10 a month
 
8:17 PM
I seem to be almost through the main quest line of New Vegas. For the NCR, at least.
 
user142019
@DeadMG I’ll check out T-Mobile. Is there also Vodafone in the UK?
 
This game is cool.
 
@DeadMG Damn that sounds nice.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Yes. I'd also recommend checking out giffgaff- they are pretty cheap.
 
user142019
@DeadMG Ah okay.
 
user142019
8:19 PM
Meh. None have the Nokia Lumia 920.
 
well if you want the latest phone then of course it's going to be very expensive.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Are you playing hardcore?
 
user142019
Hehe. :P
 
if you're worried about cost then just get a cheap old iPhone
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, because I'm a wimp.
 
8:20 PM
I was going to say "wuss", but ok.
 
And making the game "realistic" just makes it frustrating for me.
 
user142019
@DeadMG I’ve been using iOS for three years now and it’s getting boring.
 
user142019
I want to try Windows Phone 8.
 
iOS is pretty lame..
2
 
user142019
iOS 6 sucks donkey cock.
 
user142019
8:21 PM
iOS 5 was awesome.
 
user142019
Stupid Cook.
 
user142019
I want a Nokia because, you know…
 
user142019
 
user142019
…you can just drop it.
 
I think I mentioned before that that is not what a phone is for.
 
8:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean you don't use your phone as brick to throw at people?
5
 
user142019
@Rapptz he is a robot. He doesn’t throw them, he shoots them.
 
Oct 30 at 18:03, by Etienne de Martel
I thought that the robot was a killbot, but it appears he actually his a punbot: a robot whose purpose is to make puns.
I don't think he's violent.
 
user142019
He’s Bender in disguise.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Who is Bender?
 
8:28 PM
Flexo's evil brother.
 
user142019
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, nice one =)
 
I haven't seen Futurama in a long time.
 
Hm.
I had a bit of a dilemma with templates....
 
I was in a violent discussion (yes fists were flying) about declaring variables inside or outside their scope.
 
8:31 PM
... Wow.
 
int value_not_useful_outside = useless; while( stuff) { value_not_useful_ouside = stuff; ... }
 
user142019
 
The argument was that declaration was cheaper on the outside, I called bullshit.
 
user142019
I like my new ST2 color scheme.
 
MMP: Mixed Martial Programming.
*Settle it in the `scope`, bitch.*
2
Aww it won't italicize for me. Boo. :c
It looks nice, @Zoidberg'--
 
8:33 PM
@Zoidberg'-- Are you running bsd with a Mac look?
 
user142019
@CaptainGiraffe I’m running OS X.
 
Anywho, a question about templating and possible declaration-omissino
 
user142019
@CaptainGiraffe What makes you think it’s BSD? :P
 
Why does Mac OS X do that shadow in the background of programs?
 
StringBase<TChar>& operator += ( const TChar* right );
StringBase<TChar>& operator += ( const char* right );

This will obviously go to hell when I declare `StringBase<char>` , as that's 2 different declarations doing the same thing.
 
user142019
8:35 PM
@Rapptz so it’s more easy to see where the window boundaries are.
 
user142019
And the current window has a darker and bigger shadow than other windows.
 
Can you really not tell?
 
user142019
OS X window have no borders.
 
I know I could explicitly specialize StringBase<char>, but is there another way to omit the char* or TChar* inside the template definition?
 
user142019
The borders are 1px and darker than the window’s content.
 
user142019
8:36 PM
@Rapptz well, you can.
 
I just realised Windows 7 has the shadow too, it just isn't as thick.
 
user142019
But if this makes it 1) look better and 2) even more clear, I don’t see why it would be a problem.
 
user142019
Otherwise you could only tell by looking at the title bar and the controls, but in some programs like text editors there simply aren’t that many controls.
 
user142019
You have a text area, maybe a tab bar and that’s about it.
 
I guess I'll just explicitly specialize the StringBase template.
 
8:43 PM
@ThePhD SFINAE?
 
sbi
Good evening, folks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... What?
 
user142019
@sbi Evening.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- Who are you? I don't know you..
 
user142019
8:46 PM
There are no people in this room that I know nor are there any people in this room that know me.
 
@Zoidberg'-- It would be against Zoidberg's nature to have friends
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey. We've been eating the remainders of that feast for two days now, I even invited my friends again for tonight's dinner, and there's still some of it left. So if you want some pumpkin soup, you know where to get it.
 
@sbi lol, ok :)
 
Everyone is visiting each other here. I kinda feel left out in the US :(
 
sbi
8:48 PM
@ThePhD No idea what that is supposed to mean.
@Rapptz Need a job in Berlin? :)
 
@sbi He says Good Evenin' a lot. So, Good Evenin'.
 
Nope. I already work here :P
So are most people here now in Berlin?
 
sbi
@ThePhD Ah. Sorry, I still fail to get much out of US entertainment without getting a proper explanation.
@Rapptz No, not even half a dozen.
 
#if (_MSC_VER >= 800)
#if (_MSC_VER >= 1200)
#pragma warning(pop)
#else
#pragma warning(default:4001) /* nonstandard extension : single line comment */
#endif
#endif
 
@sbi I think it's five.
 
8:50 PM
^ A little bit of WTF from <sdkddkver.h> in the Windows SDK
 
user142019
@Cheersandhth.-Alf #if (_MSC_VER >= 800) #if (_MSC_VER >= 1200)?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So many? Wow. Still, I got my ass covered there.
 
user142019
1200 ≥ 800 so that makes no sense.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- You might want to look at that again.
 
user142019
The #if (_MSC_VER >= 800) is not necessary.
 
sbi
8:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, do you follow Julia Stone or was this posted elsewhere, too?
 
@sbi I follow you, you silly ape.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- You might want to look at that again.
 
You have been tweeting like mad, btw.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, did I retweet that? Um. :-o
 
user142019
#if (_MSC_VER >= 800)
    #if (_MSC_VER >= 1200)
        #pragma warning(pop)
    #else
        #pragma warning(default:4001) /* nonstandard extension : single line comment */
    #endif
#endif
 
user142019
8:52 PM
Looking at it again.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had like 80 tweets to catch up with today. And one blog posting. :)
 
user142019
#if (_MSC_VER >= 800) and one of the #endifs can be left out.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- Oops.
 
@Zoidberg'-- No, it can't.
 
user142019
Why not?
 
8:53 PM
indentation saves the day!
 
user142019
1200 is always greater than 800.
 
What conditions are necessary for #pragma warning(pop)?
 
@Zoidberg'-- thansk!
 
And what conditions are necessary for #pragma warning(default:4001)?
 
user142019
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh aha!
 
user142019
8:54 PM
Didn’t think of the else branch that way. Meh.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, that's what I saw originally. But flipping back and forth between the transcript and the real thing, I got lost in his denial.
I probably should just plonk that mad 16yo Dutch name shifter. He's too much hassle.
 
user142019
s/16/17/
 
user142019
s/16/almost 18/
 
8:57 PM
Is Pixel Perfect Collision worth doing?
I always hear it's slow.
 
user142019
Hi!
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- And what the hell do you think that would change in my statement?
 
@Rapptz It's a law of diminishing returns. There's a point where the computation investement does not bring reasonable benefits.
 
user142019
@sbi That was not supposed to change your statement, but to correct a mistake in your statement.
 
sbi
9:00 PM
@Zoidberg'-- Well, 16 or 17 — what difference does it make?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thank you for sending me that. I never knew that technique existed. I can clean up half of my templates with this. TEMPLATE METAMAGIC, HOOOOOOO~
 
Oh man. What have I done.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i++ ?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion “Bones mend. Regret stays with you forever.” — Patrick Rothfuss (The Name of the Wind)
 
9:03 PM
lame phone is lame
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe "my one real love in life is programming." — How incredibly pathetic.
 
huh... by the looks of it phone no auto load messages
 
@thecoshman :o
 
sbi
FFS, pirate, will you have a go at telling your things in English? I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
@thecoshman btw, cat took one look and found the linking problem with Kyro::Platform::Window::Create(..) :p
 
9:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Something great. Just like @MooingDuck did something great when he showed me the magic of Templates for Swizzling.
There, all better now.
 
@sbi phone no work good!
 
Xeo
@ThePhD what the.
 
Beautiful, isn't it? :3
It also has the best int main() declaration ever.
 
@mal thought he would. might be able to get a look tomorrow at stuff, but currently work with a pi
 
@Rapptz: I meant to ask you yesterday, how did you learn japanese? Self-taught? Classes?
 
9:15 PM
@ThePhD int argv wut
 
Xeo
@ThePhD I didn't even notice that. That should be ill-formed.
 
@Borgleader Self-taught.
Don't think I can learn a language in a class setting.
 
Hey, hey. Ideone compiled it. So it's obviously legal.
 
@ThePhD Not
 
@Rapptz You're teaching yourself Japanese?! I am too!
 
9:16 PM
@Rapptz Ah I see, I took some classes but it wasn't what I am used to because there were only 6 of us + teacher.
 
Except I suck at it, but.
 
@ThePhD It's been like, 8 years.
 
I made a game to make me get awesome at romaji recognition.
I wonder if I still have it; it made sweet sounds and everything...
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I'm currently trying too, but I can't find the time to actually study all the kanji and their meanings. :/
 
@Borgleader I just don't like the concept of going at someone else's pace and being graded on it.
 
9:17 PM
Kanji is so archaic. ~_~
 
@bamboon deviant main are implementation defined, not illformed per se
 
Class setting works fine on most things, but I don't think language is one of them.
 
any way, this sucks too much. night all
 
Latin-based languages had a really great idea when they figured that there should be a basic character set and basic meanings and everything else can add and derive from that basic collection of roots and such.
 
@sehe I actually have no clue, all I meant was that compiles != right in general.
 
9:18 PM
@Xeo It actually gets easier after many Kanji.
 
It makes understanding a language vastly less painful than 'Memorize these 1000000 symbols'
 
@bamboon agreed
 
Xeo
Woah. So many nice C++11 questions in the last hour.
 
#if (_MSC_VER >= 1200)
    #pragma warning(pop)
#elif (_MSC_VER >= 800)
    #pragma warning(default:4001) /* nonstandard extension : single line     #else
comment */
#else
    // Nada nix nyet!
#endif
^ I think that would have been more clear
 
Xeo
9:20 PM
@Rapptz What exactly is that?
 
Vocab.
 
Xeo
Preferred learning order, huh?
 
Yep
 
Xeo
Nice, thanks for that.
 
o.O That's one big excel spreadsheet
 
9:22 PM
@Rapptz Thank you for that.
 
@Borgleader It was made for Anki.
 
Maybe I can read from that excel spreadsheet instead of my ultra-primitive JapaneseDictionary.dict
 
I actually have a book to learn Japanese... Haven't used it in a while... so busy =.=
 
Well, imo the grammar part is pretty easy to get down along with Katakana and Hiragana. It's just the massive amount of vocabulary that can be difficult to learn.
 
German U-99 torpedoes 3rd UK ship in a row- HMS Patroclus, packed with survivors of HMS Laurentic, which was sunk trying to help SS Casanare
There's a pattern here.
 
Xeo
9:24 PM
@Rapptz That's what's currently holding me back.
 
@Rapptz IIRC depending on what you're counting, the "names" of the numbers change... That always threw me off.
 
Xeo
I got my kanas down, but the vocab... ugh.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course you can. You cannot vote, but I think they're very open, and if you said sensible thoughts, you'd probably very welcome to say them. Alisdair Meredith (Oh, Bloomberg. Wouldn't that make him a cow-worker to Dietmar Kühl?) tried to get me to go to the meeting when they met in Berlin, but I declined.
 
Wow, you really take this read the whole transcript thing seriously.
 
sbi
9:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I would consider participating, but I would have to shave my face, and I haven't done that in more than a decade.
 
@Xeo Typically for Vocab people use Anki which are flash cards that let you choose which ones are "easy" and "hard" during a round of flash cards and gives you the ones you found difficult.
 
uh oh master of putting off things
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't read the whole transcript. I just read the parts I am interested in. :)
 
Anyway, time to sleep. Tomorrow's my second first day of work.
Goodnight.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good luck!
 
Xeo
9:27 PM
Night
 
Night, and good luck, and thank you!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes second first day xDDD Good luck
 
Night.
 
sbi
@bamboon Have you tried a mirror?
Torvalds hatred is actually pretty rational! The things that turn him off C++ are real turn offs for anyone who just wants to develop efficient, portable, multi-platofrm software. — James Anderson Nov 1 at 1:52
 
@sbi harhar, funnybot.
 
sbi
9:28 PM
Ugh. What am I to reply to that?
 
@sbi i wouldn't reply to that at all. it's a rhetorical question asked as flamebait
 
@sbi What language do you use to do that?
 
sbi
@bamboon Well, at its very basics, reflection is this:
You sit down in a quiet environment and think about you and your life.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf What question?
@Borgleader What language do I use to do what?
 
29
Q: Is the C programming language still used?

Pankaj UpadhyayI am a C# programmer, and most of my development is for websites along with a few Windows application. As far as C goes, I haven't used it in a long time, as there was no need to. It came to me as a surprise when one of my friends said that she needs to learn C for testing jobs, while I was helpi...

 
Xeo
@sbi insert disbelief face here
 
9:31 PM
@sbi The comment says C++ is a turn off to people who want to "develop efficient, portable, multiplatform software" (I find the last two redundant). My question is, what language does one use for that.
 
@sbi yes, that's the reflection I know
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Um. I have answered. More than a year ago. I linked to a comment that agreed with Torvald's rant.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader C++
:P
 
lololol
 
yeah, sorry, but i mean, best to not answer obvious flame-bait question, even if good rep source
 
sbi
9:32 PM
@Borgleader Of course, he claims C is that language.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Oh. Well, I didn't consider it flame-bait back then. And look which answer got the most upvotes.
Haha!
Linus is a git. — bromfiets Aug 26 '11 at 22:00
 
@sbi I see... (no pun intended) Well while I agree C is efficient and for the most part portable... it's a pain in the ass to use. And to me that's a bigger turn off.
 
user1174868
oh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not impossible that the starred adjacent message brought him there :)
 
Ell
okay I'm back, and with the same problem!
 
Xeo
@James: You mean things like efficient abstractions, generic programming and type-safety? Yeah, who'd want that. — Xeo 48 secs ago
Couldn't resist.
 
sbi
9:35 PM
@Xeo I have already upvoted that comment. :)
@sehe Shush! Will you shut up!
 
:)
 
Xeo
0
Q: how to initialize data member array of a struct with null values?

johnshumonHere is my struct (Its in private section of Datastructure class) private: // this is the main node pointer array to keep // track of buckets and its chain. struct Node { /** member variables */ unsigned int iCID; std::string sVoting_PN; std::string sTS[T_LITTRAL]; unsigned int...

Oh my, the OP.... /facepalm
I tell him that = {0} is perfectly fine if he adds -std=c++11, and he goes and writes an answer which uses a loop to initialize to 0...
 
@Xeo You couldn't do that before c++11?
 
@Xeo Wow. An achievement of itself :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We should call him the Archivist.
 
Xeo
9:37 PM
@Borgleader Not in-class
struct X{ int arr[12] = {0}; };
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think the Levenshtein distance to Antichrist is too small for that to be considered
 
@sehe Hmm. You might be on to something.
 
sbi
Now, let's see if this gets flagged:
@James: Might I kindly point you at this comment, where there's a link to a posting in which someone earnestly takes Linus' rant as if it was something intelligible, and takes it apart sentence by sentence. Write a reply to that that's at least half as intelligent as that one and post the link here. Or go back to the cave you came from, and keep cargo-culting. — sbi 28 secs ago
 
Oh, the ape is trolling.
 
Xeo
I flagged it with an upvote, now the likelyhood that mods see it increases.
 
Ell
9:40 PM
@Lalaland did you get this to compile? ideone.com/1a6caE
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, this is all just you dreaming of the ape trolling, since you're asleep already, right?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Husch! Ins Bett!
 
@Xeo I went to brush my teeth and came back to turn my laptop off. Now I'm really going to sleep.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So they all say.
 
Xeo
@Ell Please, just use liveworkspace.org
 
sbi
9:41 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Why? I am not the one who does the archiving, I am just using this as a tool to see what you've been up to while I didn't have my watchful eye on you.
@sehe I am not an Antichrist. I am indifferent towards Christ.
 
@sbi I didn't really worry about that
 
@sehe Damn, his sarcasm-o-meter is out of order today.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I found being anal much more helpful for programming than being optimistic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nah, That's intentional. Did you forget about the ape's habits?
@sbi False dichotomy?
 
@sehe Maybe I did. Hmm.
 
sbi
9:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, it's more like out of proportion. Up in sphere's out of reach for you.
 
user406009
@Ell I thought I already said this like 5 times.
 
sbi
@sehe What dichotomy?
 
user406009
Use boost::unordered_map
 
@sbi Falscher Zweispalt? (just making shit up here)
 
9:45 PM
@sbi Woop di doo.
 
sbi
@sehe Which Zwiespalt?
 
Ell
@Lalaland sorry :L I kept trying it and it didn't work and stuff. I'll try again :L
 
@sbi Between "anal" and "optimist"
 
sbi
@sehe Where did I say there's a dichotomy?
@LuchianGrigore No, you're not. There's also the horny lion.
 
@sbi Mmm. Implied. Perhaps I read more into it than you wanted to say
 
sbi
9:47 PM
@sehe "I find having four doors more important in a car than having a powerful motor." Where's the dichotomy in that?
 
I get it. See my previous message
 
sbi
@sehe That's the one I replied to.
 
@sbi Okay, I wasn't sure you caught the intent :)
 
Ell
@Lalaland dafuqqq :'( what version of boost are you using?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How do you know it's this way, and not the other way around? You could just be the reflection of a lion not thinking much of himself, you know.
 
9:55 PM
@sbi Woa, that response to Torvalds' rant is great reading. Thanks.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel IIRC, I found it while looking for another one, which I think was written by Danny Kalev or someone I confuse with him, but which I — IIRC! — didn't find back then. But, yeah, it's good, if only because it's rational and coolly written.
> There’s an assumption that when you host in the cloud, the datacenter is well above sea level. — @JeremiadLee
> @JeremiadLee Indeed! Otherwise you'd be hosting in the Fog. — @Beryllium9
I literally laughed out loud when I read that response.
 

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