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5:28 PM
What do you all do with the surplus money you earn(after rent, food etc.)?
 
A lot of people will probably say student debt.
I know someone who got pressured (by parents) into going medical and came out with a quarter million in debt.
 
Almost 10k views on one of hour songs on YouTube :3
 
But fortunately two my personal friends managed to resist their parental pressure and went into tech instead. They're doing pretty well now. No debt.
 
My former co-workers used to buy some expensive stuff that doesn't serve a larger purpose, like they'd buy a piece of furniture, instrument or something. I would've thought being that programmers on average make a little more(or so the legend goes), we would invest in something or make something out of for instance a year's worth of surplus money.
Good for them. I paid mine back too, saved a good amount so I could go back to studying. No idea what to do with it otherwise.
 
Ven
5:48 PM
Got two tickets to Perigon, just can't sleep.
Because I'm still wondering what Perigon is.
 
@GhostofBillGates Depends on where they live. If they live on their own in the Bay Area making an entry level developer salary at Google, there is nothing left after rent.
That's why Google feeds their employees, because they need to eat.
 
Scary stuff.
 
I am exaggerating a little bit. But not by much. Say you make 100k working at a tech company in the Bay Area. And the apartment you live in isn't a complete shit-hole. you'll be paying around 3k/month in rent. 100k after taxes is probably like 60k. You pay out 36k to rent and that goes up every year. So you have around 24k left for everything else.
Admittedly, 100k is a bit on the low-end. But you get the idea.
 
@Ven Porygon vs. Périgord
 
@Morwenn polypories.
 
user1804599
5:59 PM
Java Serialization will be 20 years old in a few months. It has never worked. You cannot make it work. Please stop. Seriously. Cut it out.
 
@Mystical Yes, my situation was a bit like that too.
There are lots of people in Gothenburg, Sweden, and the surrounding area, who go across the border to Norway to work because the wages are a good bit higher in just about every field, but they live in Sweden and buy their food there because rent and food is cheaper in Sweden.
 
@rightfold Improve accuracy: s/Serialization // Well, offhand I'm not sure how old Java is, but it's never worked, so it doesn't really matter.
 
Ven
@JerryCoffin '91 iirc
 
@GhostofBillGates A lot of my coworkers at Google lived across the bay where it's a lot cheaper. But the commute is upwards of an 90 minutes every day. I was fortunate in that I grew up in the area so my parents were there and they let me stay at home.
 
@Ven Dammit--I was doing my best to forget.
@Mysticial ...where the commute up the 101 was only 45 minutes or so (except on a bad day).
 
Ven
6:04 PM
@JerryCoffin meanwhile I was -3 y.o. then :). Had to learn later.
 
@Ven Thanks. Now I feel even older and more decrepit than usual.
 
@JerryCoffin Worse. 92 across the San Mateo bridge. Then onto 101 either north to San Bruno or south to Mountain View.
The 92/101 intersection is a shit hole. You can literally put the car in park, open the door, take a shit, get back, and the guy behind you wouldn't honk because nobody has moved.
 
@Mysticial Yeah--I remember how backed up the line to get onto the bridge always got. Of course, I don't have it a whole lot better now--it'd be around an hour each way except that I usually leave for work around 7AM, and head home around 7 PM.
 
I lived right at that intersection. And often times, I have to bypass it and get onto 101 directly as opposed to 92 and taking the intersection.
 
Is camping in the office allowed at Google?
 
6:10 PM
But north-bound to San Bruno in the morning is much better than south-bound to Silicon Valley.
@StackedCrooked Yeah, people do it.
Traffic in downtown Chicago is at the point where you simply don't drive, period. But at least there's a functional transit system. Unlike in the Bay Area that goes nowhere other than on strike every other week.
 
@Mysticial If you'd do that for a year I bet you could save up a ton of money.
 
@Mysticial If I had to go south, it seemed like the 280 usually worked out a bit better (but hard to be sure).
 
Wouldn't do it though :D
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah. I basically had the same effect by living with parents.
@StackedCrooked One guy had a truck which he lived in. Parked in the campus parking lot.
 
Smart guy.
 
6:13 PM
@Mysticial I still do that D:
 
Now if Google also offered free on-site car maintenance then it'd be perfect :D
 
@JerryCoffin 280 is better if you need to travel longer distances. Like down to Cupertino. Otherwise, getting to 280 means sitting on the 92 shit-hole for a lot longer.
 
Even though renting flats in Brest costs almost nothing.
 
@Mysticial Well, of course they go on strike constantly. I mean, a guy with a GED working for BART is making only 10% more (well, okay, maybe 20%, but not much more than that) than a guy at Google with a master's degree. That's obviously unfair to him.
 
@Morwenn A lot of the people I know who can't find a job or a sufficiently paying job are kinda forced to do that. Unless they're lucky enough to have a domestic partner who makes enough to live independently.
 
6:16 PM
@Mysticial Yeah--in the end, the only way to get away from the horrible traffic is to actually get (a long ways) away from it.
 
I don't actually have to live with my parents. It's just that it bothers none of us.
Speaking of that, I've got to go.
 
@JerryCoffin Or show up to work at 11.
 
See you later :)
 
cya
 
@Morwenn later
@Mysticial That helps a lot going south. Doesn't help so much for SF (at least IME). I finally decided the only reasonable choice for SF was to park at the very edge of town, and just walk from there. Probably could have taken a bus or something, but as far as I could tell, it wasn't going to save much time (and besides: I definitely needed the exercise).
 
Ven
6:20 PM
@JerryCoffin no, I'm fairly sure you wake up and tell yourself in the mirror: "they ain't gonna get me today either"
 
@Ven I do my best to avoid looking in mirrors.
 
@JerryCoffin Come to think of it, I'd be taking the stairs instead of the elevator if it didn't take so much time.
How long did you work/live in SF?
 
@Mysticial Just that one summer when we met up.
 
ah
 
@Mysticial It did last a lot longer than originally scheduled. The original schedule said 60 days IIRC, but it actually lasted from April (or so) through the beginning of October, if memory serves.
They had to extend the schedule because they didn't provide all the software we needed to inspect from the beginning. Well, I guess technically they did supply it, but only as an export of an SVN repository, but no copy of SVN to read from it (and we weren't allowed to install anything on the machines ourselves...)
 
6:35 PM
lol
 
@Mysticial There was apparently a point at which an attorney was trying to claim that you could get meaningful results by grepping a 100+ MB tarball. Even the judge apparently had enough technical background to laugh at that.
 
So is it safe to assume that the side that attorney was on lost?
 
@Mysticial I dunno. They decided to delay the case for some reason (I heard why, but can't remember). That was probably at least a year delay, and by soonest it could restart, I'd started working here in SD, so if it restarted at all, I no longer had anything to do with it.
TBH, I doubt he ever thought it would really fly--I'm pretty sure their entire game hinged on the other delay that was eventually imposed, and they were just doing their best to stall until that happened.
 
6:52 PM
lol, IOW a massive waste of time.
 
@Mysticial It was. Worse, the people I was working for turned out to be pretty much assholes. On the other hand, there are some really decent restaurants in in San Carlos, which was a long walk/short drive from the hotel where I was staying.
 
Where you on the persecution or defendant side? Based on what you've told me, I'm gonna guess that you were on the persecution side with some sort of patent troll?
 
Oh, and if I remembered his name (and was masochistic enough to work at EA) I'd have a good reference at EA. Overheard a conversation during lunch, and felt obliged to...correct a little misunderstanding they were having about C++.
@Mysticial Yeah, pretty much. Technically, I guess they're not a pure patent troll, but a tiny step short of it. A pure patent troll owns patents, but doesn't actually build anything. When they hired me, they claimed it was on behalf of a software company, but it turns out that was mostly a sham. The inventor had at one time written some software and still owned a company that said "software" in the name, but he hadn't written any code in years (and had no ambition to do so).
In fairness, some of that's supposition--I never met or talked with the inventor/owner himself at all, only the attorneys (but I'm pretty sure it's reasonably accurate anyway).
 
7:10 PM
Woah. IOW, I totally read that right. Glad you left.
 
@Mysticial Me too. They really were jerks. Fortunately, the lead attorney wasn't very careful, so I overheard a phone conversation where he made it pretty clear that they routinely failed to pay any bills from contractors after they got what they wanted. They didn't pay my last bill either, but I made sure it was only for a couple hours of work, but the last thing I sent still contained a few important details that they wouldn't get until they paid the previous bills.
 
wow...
 
Xeo
7:42 PM
@ThePhD Finally got around to actually watching the talk, well done. Couple tips: More explanation around the chained lookup table implementation, that was kinda messy. Also, less 'uh's :P
 
7:58 PM
those got better as he went on
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Rad
 
interesting
somehow I thought anime studios would prolong the mouth moving animation more instead
 
Hah, maybe they never thought of doing that.
I'd think they'd pick a translation that best matches the mouth moving.
 
it would probably only work in scenes where nothing else is moving except for the mouth
and the mouth animation is quite simple
(despite this I think a surprisingly large set of anime fits these criteria)
it would never work, for example, for Akira
 
Downvoted to -10 with no comments.
 
"get fucked"
 
9:23 PM
@Mysticial So much anger in that post.
I suppose SO does that to some people.
 
user1804599
Rad.
 
@Mysticial click it
both of them
 
9:48 PM
@Mysticial I'm just amused that you have over 100k in rep and messages in your notifications that you haven't bothered to dismiss
 
@Mgetz Hence click it.
 
user1804599
10:06 PM
@StackedCrooked Darwin awards. You're incapable of not being a badlet? You'll be b&.
 
today we received a bug report that some tests were failing in the latest driver point-release build, in an assert deep in the compiler.
Beautiful conclusion.
(Down in replies, I mean.)
 
@Mgetz @Mysticial is really two users: one has viewed the earned rep. The other hasn't. Split like that, each is still among the top 200 users on SO!
 
user1804599
 
10:33 PM
what is this?
 
@KartikV The wisdom of Rightfold in all its (vain)glory.
 
I wish i could understand what you said. Even then who makes all these stupid stuff and why people watch them?
 
@Griwes Did you have a look at the latest mailing yet?
 
11:05 PM
Is there way there a way to make a function parameter that only accepts static string literals?
Something like this will capture char arrays, but not pointers. But it will capture stuff like non-static strings on the stack.
template<int size> void function(const char(&)[size]){}
 
@Mysticial Sadly no
 
@Morwenn Nope.
 
@Mysticial this is fairly reliable, just tell people to don't use C arrays :D
 
@Morwenn Did you? If so, anything interesting?
 
Just looked at the title. Nothing exciting, mostly revisions from the meeting.
 
11:09 PM
@Mysticial There was a question on SO about that, the short of it is no.
 
There's a new proposal for atomic min/max operations.
 
@Morwenn I don't think there's hardware support to make it efficient.
 
nuke plz
 
Fastest way to get banned, SE edition :P
 
11:14 PM
@Mysticial No.
static string literals don't have any distinguishing features w.r.t. type, so function parameters can't distinguish them by type, which is all they can use.
 
Yeah, I figured as such. Or perhaps even a constexpr hack or something.
I'll dig around for some Linux-specific OS call that gives page mapping information.
I know it exists in Windows, I hope Linux has one as well.
 
@ThePhD We gotta talk about that account removing addiction of yours. Make a support channel for you, Garak and @Ven maybe
@Mysticial /proc/<pid>/maps and thereabout
 
Freedom feels good.
 
Shoulda done that from the start tbh, group projects are stupid
 
milleniumbug is the (removed) master all of a sudden
 
11:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus I should have. But the Professor kept telling me to stick with it and "try harder".
Now, I have unequivocal evidence that no amount of trying works.
Of course, the semester is over in 2 weeks, so what the fuck did I waste my life on.
 
Programming, but that's beside the point
 
@набиячлэвэли Don't make me explain why you are not loungerface-trusted anymore
 
I acknowledge my past mistakes, yes
 
Congrats on being a slave to the italics system milleniumbug
 
You need not explain for all interested parties know the story
 
11:27 PM
@CatPlusPlus yay for snackchat disgust
 
Ven
@CatPlusPlus addiction? oO
Isn't that a big word for something I've only done once?
 
Now now, you can admit it, we're all friends here
 
Ven
No i don't trust nabija to be my friend
 
That's reasonable
 
Ven
You're not my buddy, pal.
 
11:31 PM
You're not my pal, fam.
 
Ven
@CatPlusPlus which acc did garak remove oO?
You're not my fam, mate.
 
Which one he didn't
 
Ven
...his discord one?
 
@Ven You're not my mate, dawg.
 
Ven
@набиячлэвэли I'm not your dawg, bro.
 
11:33 PM
@Ven I'm not your bro, dude.
 
Ven
@набиячлэвэли I'm not your dude, homeboy.
On that one, have some nice sleeps.
 
@Ven I'm not your homeboy, m'lady
 
I'm m'lady.
 
then this is downton
 
I'm also going to sleep.
That's a hi bye boys.
 
11:39 PM
@Ven He quit snak like 2 or 3 times
 
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