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@Borgleader This question title belongs on SO:
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Q: One week to go in the final PhD submission and I have lost the will to work on it. Help!

AhmadI have less than a week left in my PhD submission - its due by 9th of December. This is almost my end of fourth year and I have been able to edit it several times since I completed the first draft. So I planed out my week to read each chapter a day and finalise everything. But, I am tired sitti...

 
@Mysticial Its been deleted?
 
1 hour ago, by Mysticial
@milleniumbug aww half the comments got nuked.
 
aww :(
@Mysticial On SO it would be "i lost the will to live, these shitty questions are sapping my life force" :P
So this happened today. xD
 
12:46 AM
@Borgleader "Shitty" is fine. But it needs to be of extremely high quality shit. Anything in the middle sucks.
It would be great if every shitty question had, "FUCK YOU STACKOVERFLOW NAZI ASSHOLES" in the title.
 
what about butt holes of nazi? nazi might have committed many hideous crimes, their butt holes however were totally innocent
 
1:02 AM
Hey guys I have a C++ question. Does anybody have an animated GIF with a cartoon character shoveling coal into a steam ship or a train. I need to explain my voracious hard disk consumption to my research funding agency.
@Mysticial Fuck that guy, most PhDs take 6 years
 
@Mikhail lolwut
@Mikhail I dropped out after 3 years. :(
 
@Corgs Thats a good one
but I need moar
@Mysticial I built this machine that makes people (it does automated IVF inspection + incubation), but like over a week period it dumps 80TB of data. So, the people I work with don't understand that I need 10k for each experiment...
 
80TB a week?
WTF
 
At least we're cool with the test tube babies
 
1:10 AM
I can ask questions about Git, right?
 
@Corgs Yes, on Stack Overflow.
 
But only while the mods are asleep
 
@Mysticial Its against the SO rules (purely opionion based/only examples)
 
oh. Then you're screwed.
 
Are we still doing this?
 
1:16 AM
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@Telkitty That's a lie
It's not even real meat
It's a plushie
 
1:30 AM
@Mikhail Still? That was a thing?
@EtiennedeMartel Did you enjoy the bumper cars video of today? :P
 
@Borgleader I even linked it here.
 
Ah.
 
@Mikhail You need to keep all that data from every experiment? That's quite a lot but I suppose if that's the minimum data needed to interpret results, then it can't be helped
 
@Aaron3468 The NIH has some bullshit requirement that all experiments they fund must keep data in perpetuity. Nobody has actually tested this claim. Also a large database helps us refine our bio-markers.
 
@Mikhail Well then, you're fucked.
 
1:33 AM
the spice must flow
give me more disks
 
Ah, fair enough. So then you're handcuffed to policy. The only loophole is to produce less data. The only reason I'm amazed is that's about enough data to hold 360 million 200 page books
Like the scale of your work is actually quite impressive ($10K doesn't seem expensive for that kind of project)
 
@Aaron3468 Yeah thats because I connected 24 WD 6TB to a single raid controller. Then the RAID controller shorted because the RAID card touched the metal plate. Fixed that with some cardboard. #ThugLife
pogo linux wanted tens of thousands of dollars
 
yo
@Mikhail more like mods include boltclock, post ponies
 
@Mikhail Google search for shovelling money
@Mikhail reduce your data
I wonder how much better a compression would be for text by taking advantage of word order probabilities (like a grammar check ish). Probably not enough to justify the complexity.
 
1:49 AM
It would be lossy, which is unsavory for text
A better approach is to remove all vowels, fuck them
 
heh
 
@Mikhail not sure--but in a week or so we should be back to hat season, so we don't need to wait for the mods to sleep...
 
@Mikhail nonsense. I'm thinking Huffman encoding that knows grammar. Not lossy.
 
@MooingDuck Isn't Huffman encoding the optimal encoding?
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Q: Is Huffman Encoding always optimal?

user1422The requirement of the encoding to be prefix free results in large trees due to the tree having to be complete. Is there a threshold where fixed-length non-encoded storage of data would be more efficient than encoding the data?

 
@Mikhail As measured in certain ways, yes. I'd have to check to be sure, but given its age, part of that is almost certain to be "asymptotically".
 
1:55 AM
What if we replaced English words with symbols, and limited our dictionary to 2^16? Then used OpenGL for texture look up.
 
Man, even better if it can adapt over the course of a document. Hm. Then decompression becomes tricky, because they have to be identical...
 
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX
 
@Mikhail good luck.
 
I want crazier shit, would we get better encoding if we translated our english to some terrible language like Hungarian? And then did normal compression?
 
@MooingDuck Huffman compression is most often adaptive (aka, "dynamic"). Oh, and if you don't mind using lots more processing for marginally superior results, consider arithmetic compression instead.
 
1:56 AM
No. Translation is either lossy or more data, always
 
That sounds like an experimental proposition
 
Some languages would make great candidates to receive other linguistic content, but I would imagine they have a lot of unnecessary cases/declensions/modifying grammar. Ordinary compression would need much less research to be effective.
 
Ordinal compress is a solved problem
What if instead of compressing the data digitally, we make the storage media smaller?
 
@Mikhail Be careful though. Excessive compression of ordinals can form black holes.
 
2:03 AM
If you're generating that much write-once data, you should be using the shingled drives. :P
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Or tape
 
@Mysticial TRIGGERED
 
@Mysticial Probably not, at least any more. Last time I looked, just the media for tape was more expensive than hard drive space.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, that's dumb.
 
@Mysticial Indeed.
For example, DLT. 320 GB for only $57. So awesome. 320 GB of media for about the price of a 1 TB hard drive.
 
I might need to pick up a shingled drive myself. I need something to archive all my documents and photos on so I have free space on my HDD and SSD. Can't complain at prices like that
 
2:08 AM
lol
This weekend, I'm picking up a large batch of 2TB drives to replace the old ones in my array. $62 each before tax.
 
@JerryCoffin Worse, its DLTtape VS1 media boasts a capacity of up to 160GB native and 320GB compressed
Its actually 160GB and they are a bunch of scum bags
 
I need 11 of them, but I'm probably gonna get 12 for a spare.
:34430541 It's the best price for 2TB drives at 180 MB/s bandwidth.
 
@Mikhail Granted, but even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume you can store 320 GB on them, it's still ~2-3x the cost of cheap hard drives.
 
There are cheaper ones that go all the way down to like $40. But they're either used, or really old models which don't have good benchmarks.
 
There is also a hidden cost of needing a computer that has the SATA ports
 
2:12 AM
@Mikhail if the data is randomly distributed based on probabilities, yes. But letters aren't randomly distributed. They're incredibly nonrandom
 
@Mikhail You need all the data online at once?
 
@JerryCoffin Why the fuck would we do that, they assumed an arbitrary 50% compression ratio. But if we're storing JPEGs or TIFF we ain't gonna get that.
 
And from all the runs?
 
@JerryCoffin still wins in density though, iirc
 
Yeah, because I need to process it. But I've only had 2 runs because the space ran out...
 
2:14 AM
@Mikhail You need to have multiple 80TB of data runs at a time?
 
@Mikhail Point is that it doesn't matter whether we do it or not. If we give them the benefit of the doubt, it's still a lousy price.
 
Here is a picture of my array:
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Q: Typical time to add a new volume on Adaptec controllers

MikhailI have an Adaptec 8805. I've been running 12x6TB RAID6 drives without issue. I just bought five 5x8TB drives and wanted to add them as a new partition in RAID5. I used the CTRL+A bios menu to initialize the new drives. In retrospect this wasn't a good idea. I choose to initialize them in the b...

@Mysticial Yeah, for example when we cross validate our non-linear parameters we need access to all specimen.
 
@MooingDuck If you look at density per unit mass, probably. Density per unit volume would depend--vs. 1 TB drive, tape might win. Vs. 6 TB drives, tape almost certainly loses.
 
You're using RAID? Well then you're definitely fucked.
 
RAID has superior human performance
 
2:16 AM
But you're still fucked.
 
no no no no no
 
Definitely fucked.
 
Okay, I find your argument persuasive
 
That doesn't change the fact that you're fucked.
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4:46 AM
first comment:
Oh dear! What will Pauline, Donald and co. make of this and a lack of jobs for their adoring fans???
 
@Telkitty Today's hyper-caffeinated youth demand more exciting stories, like this one:
 
reminds me of how much fuel that we can save if public transport runs on ice
 
Yeah, for the same reason going down from Canada to Florida doesn't consume gas.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:05 AM
 
6:29 AM
@JerryCoffin How stable is the recording on the HDD compared to the tape?
 
7:14 AM
RIP
OCaml's bindings don't have float16 as a type.
And I can't construcut it in a roundabout way either.
 
Row 7 of the Periodic Table of the Elements is now complete.
 
Wait.
The one with all the radioactive crap in it?
 
Ven
7:47 AM
Hi
 
Hiyo.
 
Ven
@ThePhD a colleague wrote a C lib for that :P (using ocaml's ffi)
 
@Ven Guess I'd better gitgud and do that too.
 
8:17 AM
user image
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8:38 AM
why is the keyboard for the yellow shirted person so far out?
 
Sam
Hello Lounge!
 
Ven
8:53 AM
@EtiennedeMartel your drivers are terrible. :P
 
9:05 AM
@Telkitty Gaming, using mouse? :)
 
user1804599
9:15 AM
@wilx "Got it?" "Now it's a TCP joke."
 
@rightfold lol
 
Snrk.
 
Ven
snek
 
@rightfold "got it?" "yes ¬_¬" "now it's a TCP joke" FTFW
 
user1804599
 
Ven
@rightfold funny how we now live in a world php is nicer to use than js :c
 
user1804599
js is nice because you can write it without writing js
 
Ven
yes, but I specifically mean js here :).
not my fault you threw away all your compile-to-php projects. :P
 
user1804599
Didn't throw away my latest yet.
 
Ven
@rightfold lol the pr
@rightfold well, you threw away one in PS, one in Scala, one in Haskell (IRTA), and... one in elixir?
 
user1804599
9:52 AM
Not the one in PHP!
 
user1804599
And it actually generates correct code depending on the scope you define things in.
 
Ven
@rightfold oh, nhp
it's using PHP7.1?
 
user1804599
 
Ven
you're even using function f(): ?expr
 
user1804599
9:54 AM
 
Ven
THINGs
 
user1804599
I want to add a type checker maybe.
 
user1804599
toip choiker
 
Brought me a dancing Groot for my desk. Obnoxiously loud, it's perfect :D
 
user1804599
Adjective: groot ‎(attributive grote, comparative groter, superlative grootste)
  1. great; big; large
  2. groot ‎(comparative groter, superlative grootst)
  3. big, great ant. syn.
  4. Kijk, wat een groot gebouw!
  5. Look, what a big building!
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10:04 AM
not 'groot', 'Groot', you boob
 
user1804599
That's what she said.
 
user1804599
@Ven /r/sneks
 
user1804599
Sperm production is testicle-driven development.
 
Oh the joys of running out of space because you've be throwing too many VMs and snapshots around
 
 
1 hour later…
11:22 AM
> ‘Astonishing’ hope for infertile women after cancer drug found to make ovaries produce new eggs news.nationalpost.com/health/…
one more 'cure' to add to the list of accidental groundbreaking discoveries?
only time can tell
> Israel's Bonus says lab-grown bones successfully transplanted reuters.com/article/us-bonus-biogroup-transplant-idUSKBN13U1R2
even more medical news goodness
 
So... both are the kind of reports that say "we did/noticed a thing" with no further checks and research done yet.
meh.
 
11:38 AM
the latter was used successfully
just not for large bones yet
like the legs
> The material, grown in a lab from each patient's own fat cells, was injected into and filled the voids of the problematic bones. Over a few months it hardened and merged with the existing bone to complete the jaw, it said.
the "own cells" part is key
because it's the thing that makes the immune system recognize the bones as their own
 
I know. Doesn't change the fact that it needs further checks and research.
(...and probably a study on long-term effects before being widely applied.)
 
yes I agree
I was just mentioning it because your message made it look like there was nothing newsworthy in there
especially the very meaningful "meh"
 
It's not very newsworthy until it's verified it works and has no adverse effects.
 
it's newsworthy the moment it's discovered and new lmao
you're reading "reuters" and "nationalpost" not a scientific journal
 
user1804599
BRIE
 
11:51 AM
@AlexM. ...that's exactly the mentality that got us the proepidemics movement.
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I don't even know what that is
but I've spent enough time on this with you
 
@wilx In a server room, with one hand on keyboard :p
 
you're right
 
People against vaccines.
:P
 
too many folders on desktop, hard to find the one I need
 
11:52 AM
Newspapers report those things immediately, but have no way of publishing a retraction if it needs to be published, because the news has already stuck in people's heads.
 
nwp
@AlexM. maybe that is a bug worth fixing
 
@Griwes I agree.
Although if the study comes from a reputable source, whether or not it proves to be useful in the end the knowledge gained is worth mentioning. The problem is with how the news is framed.
 
griwes is probably arguing for censorship
to balance out people who are easily influenced or easily misunderstand
discoveries need to be announced so people are aware of them and can query on their status as time goes by
"there was this possible cure back in the day is it a thing today?"
imagine how bad not allowing scientists to announce discoveries via media would be
things like possible cures could be discarded by internal influencers in their interest
and nobody would even know
because if it's not already a marketable thing, people should not be allowed to know about it
 
Ven
well we really need to get rid of shit like ifuckinglovescience and other crap that just spread misinformation...
 
we're covering way too many topics if we bring that in lol
 
12:07 PM
It's more insidious because there's also a fair part of information.
 
@AlexM. But most will not even bother if the news is framed like "A chemical is curing people or disease X". That's the end for most people. Not if it's precisely said like "Chemical X reduces occurrence of Chemical Y present on patients with disease Z". But then that'd be the scientific journal.
 
the articles in question above didn't do it like that
and that's what this started from
but yes then you're arguing about media misinforming intentionally
that's still another problem
 
Not intentionally.
 
> Israel's Bonus says lab-grown bones successfully transplanted
the jaw bones were successfully transplanted; the article also mentions that, and that large bones weren't yet
> ‘Astonishing’ hope for infertile women after cancer drug found to make ovaries produce new eggs
also true, and uses the correct word which is "hope"
not Astonishing cure
basically I get griwes really wants to look smart
 
nwp
@AlexM. That doesn't really say much. They could also successfully transplant a raspberry pi in place of the missing jaw bone.
 
12:11 PM
but holy shit try to think about the other side of your opinions first and see if what you're going for is even more beneficial than what we have
 
Takeaway from first post: "This is a very small but extremely interesting study. It’s very early days but may give an insight as to how the ovary can make new eggs, which previously we thought was impossible." But then look at the title.
 
@nwp read the article
you guys need to learn how to read
lmao
@nwp and yes the transplant was successful; the body accepted the new bone parts
which was the actual highlight there
 
12:31 PM
performing backup, 15.8GB transferred ...
but if this house burns down, I am probably still going to lose everything
and if I transfer everything on to an online server, it's probably going to be hacked one day & my stuff will get laughed at ...
lesser of 2 evils ... I'll risk fire hazard
 
nwp
@Telkitty have you thought about encrypting the data before putting it on an online server?
 
@nwp if someone could hack a server, I assume they will be able to decode my encryption
 
nwp
@Telkitty maybe use AES instead of a caesar cipher then
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people who can break AES have bigger fish to fry, if those people even exist
 
a bigger blowfish to fry eh eh
 
12:41 PM
@nwp What if the data center burns down?
 
nwp
@MarkGarcia you don't care much, because you have your data at home
if both your home and your offsite backup server burn down at the same time you just have to live with the universe hating you personally
 
Or just a nuclear war.
 
@MarkGarcia they probably store the backup at a different physical location, so unless 3 places are simultaneously burned down together, you are safe ... if not, you probably need to call the police
 
1:00 PM
> just
> a nuclear war
 
@nwp they do, they are nation state actors though, have have 3 letter agency names
 
nwp
@Mgetz pretty sure they go with the wrench approach
 
@nwp or the keyboard replacement approach
if they need to keep you in the dark
but yes
 
1:29 PM
@nwp You mean people like Donald Trump?
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes I doubt he has heard of AES. I was thinking more of a person finding a major flaw in AES and using it for something else than making telkitty look bad.
 
Yes it is safe for production uses - as long as you abide to the usage requirements. What section made you confused? — sehe 52 secs ago
RPOSAAS (Reassuring Pat On Shoulder As A Service)
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean Trump is the fish to fry?
@nwp Well. Lets be honest. Making telkitty look bad was a priority. The fact that we managed to make her do it herself was just a bonus.
 
@nwp He doesn't need to. The NSA has a pretty simple interface.
 
Ell
1:44 PM
AES hasn't been broken has it? :O
 
Flaws have been discovered already.
No practical attacks, though.
Like, you can crack AES about 4x faster.
1/4 of the time till the heat death of universe is still a hell of a long time.
 
Ell
yep :V
 
user1804599
If we exterminate all humans then nobody can crack AES.
 
Ven
actually ...
 
user1804599
It would solve the problem. Therefore it should happen.
 
1:49 PM
well... looks like have a long wait for these automated scripts to do their thing...
 
user1804599
I need to make some changes to Thorium reactor syntax.
 
Ven
@thecoshman they're automatically slow
 
user1804599
To make sure that from clauses are always at the beginning in the syntax instead of a type checking phase.
 
user1804599
That would also make it easier to implement the invocation of reactors that zip multiple sources.
 
user1804599
And merging could just be selecting with the same name, for example FROM a, b zips but FROM a, b AS a merges.
 
Ven
1:52 PM
zippy zips
 
user1804599
Yes, thanks rubber duckx.
 
Ven
i'm the best rubber duck.
 
@sehe I mean that if someone can break AES there's a high chance that Donald Trump will gain that ability by transitivity.
 
user1804599
The type checker will make sure b and a are of the same type when you merge them.
 
Ven
@rightfold what is AS's precedence?
can I write FROM a, (b, c AS b) if I want to zip the result of a and the merge of b and c?
 
user1804599
1:54 PM
higher than ,
 
user1804599
a is short for a AS a
 
Ven
ohh.
that looks very weird tbh.
 
Ell
welp the Functor instance of Functor (Free f) is not total
maybe I need a Mu inside Free instead of Fix
so confuzzling
 
user1804599
Functor f => Functor (Free f)
 
@AlexM. Woah, way to strawman.
 
Ven
1:56 PM
unless you're looking for Freer
 
user1804599
@Ven interesting
 
Ell
@rightfold idris tells me my impl is not total
 
Ven
that's why I'm the best rubber duck.
 
Ell
and I think it's right, because you can create an infinitely nested structure right
 
user1804599
@Ven Yes, but no parens needed. It looks at the name.
 
Ell
1:57 PM
buuuut wait
 
Ven
@rightfold so, FROM a, b, c AS b?
 
user1804599
FROM a, b, c AS b is just short for FROM a AS a, b AS b, c AS b.
 
Ven
and that does what I expect it to?
zip(a, merge(b, c))?
 
user1804599
yes
 
user1804599
not sure about merging two zips
 
Ven
1:58 PM
alright.
 
user1804599
that would need tuples though
 
user1804599
wait, distributive property
 
user1804599
a * b + a * c = a * (b + c)
 
user1804599
but not a * b + c * d
 
Ven
there's no d.
(ENOTSTARBAIT)
 
user1804599
2:01 PM
subreactors :p
 
user1804599
well you can currently do it using two reactors and a pipe
 
Ven
ceci n'est pas un pipe
 
user1804599
You can also merge with a mapping expression.
 
user1804599
CREATE PIPE a boolean; CREATE PIPE b text; then FROM a USING a :: text AS x, b AS x to make them the same type
 
nwp
I think I just clicked on my first add. WTF?
 
2:10 PM
> Bjarne Straustrup
 
it's obviously bjarne soursoup
 
Ven
sour soups =(
 
or Bjarne Strupstrap
 
Bjarne-senpai
 
nwp
I just wasted an hour because I had the ... in my variadic template forward syntax in the wrong place -.-
 
Ven
2:21 PM
metawasting your life
 
Variadic waste.
 
Ven
Variadic Life 3
 
Variadic love: double trouble.
 
power outage ... fortunately, as a woman, I have many many different kind of candles ...
 
@nwp love it when that happens
 
2:26 PM
"fortunately, as a woman, I was not made aware of flashlights existing"
which is how I as a man deal with outages
 
@Ven Thanks for the subreddit link!
 
nwp
@AlexM. *fleshlights
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire <3
 
@Ven <3
 
Ven
@nwp thatsthejoke.jpg
@jaggedSpire (found the link on /r/sneks)
 
2:36 PM
@Ven ^_^
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire imgur.com/r/sneks/qXouz sssssssstaplers
 
@Ven :D
welp, work tiem
toodle-oo
 
2:52 PM
 
:3
 
Ell
lol
 
3:07 PM
lol the comments
 
@nwp Blame Bjarne Strawsoup
 
3:31 PM
@nwp just be glad you didn't accidentally write Ts......
 
3:47 PM
@ThePhD So I was googling for "u32string" and the first page of results included a link to the Sol2 documentation.
 
> why did google first try to add 'smother' to my "woman pillows" search
 
user1804599
Brie tastes a bit like mushrooms.
 
@wilx I really don't know--I'm not sure anybody's really done much investigation into it (but I haven't really looked--they might easily have done so without my being aware of it).
 
4:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Huwhat.
Oh wow, it really is part of the first page.
Guess that's just how rarely the string type is used...
 
Ell
@ThePhD you're doing a real grand job on sol2
how long have you been working on it now?
 
8 months-ish.
 
Ell
oh wow
 
It's pretty much the best library in existence now. I don't know what else to do with it, other than wait for C++ to get reflection so things can be easy.
 
Ell
I thought it was longer, you've done a lot of work in that short a time
@ThePhD you could perhaps have a go at writing your own reflection thing maybe
maybe you already have, I haven't checked :P
 
4:31 PM
A long time ago I tried, but I was too dumb to use the Clang API properly.
I decided I didn't want to make a tool that'd essentially execute as a pre-build step.
Was too much work and at that point I might as well be SWIG.
 
Ell
well, I was thinking a macro one
though I guess a few exist already
ISTR @milleniumbug mentioning a super simple reflection library on discord
well, it was for iterating over class members really
I don't know what else it could do
 
I don't think it was me
 
Ell
oh
maybe melak
I'm sure it began with m :P
 
@nwp You just need to click to "Best shoes for functional programmers". Simple mistake, really
 
4:47 PM
lol, new phone, over 2200 songs to download via spotify :D
 
Ven
5:15 PM
@rightfold is there a difference between postfix notation and stack oriented languages? :P
I'm so goddamn awful at stack langs...
 
@rightfold mmmm food
 
user1804599
5:47 PM
@Ven Polish notation is just composition of stack-transforming functions.
 
@ankitbug94 I have no idea what you're asking. What exactly do you mean by "module"?
 
A class in c++
@fredoverflow
 

C++ Questions and Answers

Solve problems and approach solutions. Just ask and lurkers wi...
 
user406009
Do you have some psuedo code for the sort of API of what you are looking for? You can't really modify C++ classes at runtime.
 
we have a dedicated room for questions
 
5:54 PM
@AlexM. okay
 
best to keep questions there and be consistent
 
Xeo
> I can't take seriously anything which says: "Look, my high level stuff is faster than plain C stuff". How the hell would you do that.
Heh, comment on @ThePhD's sol talk
 
Huh.
 
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