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8:06 PM
@Morwenn 8 elements? What is this, a container for ants?
 
Ven
No a hexagone
 
In geometry, a hexagon (from Greek ἕξ hex, "six" and γωνία, gonía, "corner, angle") is a six-sided polygon or 6-gon.
In geometry, an octagon (from the Greek ὀκτάγωνον oktágōnon, "eight angles") is an eight-sided polygon or 8-gon.
 
Alright. I applied to Github, Microsoft, Appboy, and 1 other place.
All for internships. I know I should at least get an interview from Microsoft, Github and Appboy are up in the air.
 
Umm, why would you want to work on the later two?
 
Because it's money in my wallet and bread on my table...?
 
8:15 PM
I think you're better than Github and Appboy...
 
The other companies present were HFT (@Mysticial's kind of work) and places like Videology.
 
@Mikhail he said a Hexagone, not a Hexagon
 
I know for sure I am not cut out to do HFT.
I would like to do compiler work but getting into VC++'s team or LLVM's team is REALLY goddamn hard and I need to actually build a compiler first.
Plus, they don'tjust... TAKE interns easily.
At least, Apple doesn't.
I know for a fact Amazon wants NOTHING to do with Interns, and Google has a GPA requirement, so fuck 'em.
 
I lied on my GPA (kinda)
 
I have representatives at this school who can easily look up my GPA, so lying isn't in my best interenst.
Instead, I do my best to show them my actual, real work and distract them from the (currently bad) number.
 
8:17 PM
Alternatives include listing an old GPA
 
My old GPA is worse.
My per-semester GPAs are great.
But I had a really bad start since I entered school right after my mother was burned alive, so I have some really funky grades at the bottom level that're fucking my day up.
I'm in a petition to remove one of the Fs, which will get me to a 3.0 GPA.
Have to hope they accept my petition.
 
From personal experience, I got internships from MS and NVIDIA out of the tech companies, and I probably didn't know half of what you know. Nothing from Google.
 
@ThePhD AFAIK, Google's GPA requirement isn't really enforced.
 
@Mysticial I don't have an insider and I missed the rep who was here like week 2 of the school year while I was running around wrangling professors and schedules.
 
@ThePhD If you want compiler stuff, try applying to Cray
 
8:20 PM
When they phone interviewed me, they asked me what my GPA was. I told them 3.4. The guy was like, "Let's just call that a 3.5. Sound good to you?"
 
TIL the C++ standard contains the word "monoid".
 
@Mysticial Yeah, 3.4 is close though. 3.0 is a LOT lower.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial IRTA "When the phone interviewed me"
 
I've never had a GPA
we don't use that here in the Netherlands
we use an 1-10 scale
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Fuck relying on some academic number only
 
8:21 PM
Probably a different acronym in Dutch :-)
 
@Mikhail no, we don't use use A/B/Cs or 0-4 at all
 
@ThePhD My undergrad GPU was a lot lower. Not quite as low as 3.0. But I was applying from grad school.
 
I want to go to Grad school.
But the GPA requirements for that are still... well, 3.5, lmao.
 
Xeo
I only have a general (10th grade) education, with 2 years (and a pretty bad, almost-failing-level mark) of Games Academy.
Still got a nice job (two, actually)
@Mysticial GPU, eh
 
So I need to kick ass these two semester swhile doing things like presenting as Lua Workshop and stuff.
 
8:23 PM
Just ask for jobs at the Lua Workshop, you can put it on your PPT
 
how realistic is a GPA for 3.5?
 
I also need to produce a really amazing project this year.
@orlp It's mostly A's and B's, with maybe one or two C's dragging shit down.
 
I've found that every semester I was getting better grades while doing less.
 
because virtually no one has an average grade of 8.75 here
 
Considering a B is a 3.0, 3.5 means basically a perfect equal mix of A's and B's.
If you get Cs or Ds, you need to basically get one or one + 0.5 semesters of all A's to balance it out.
 
8:24 PM
is an A perfect score?
 
So the last semesters I've had mostly 4 and 5 in the Polish scale, which I guess translates to 3.0 and 4.0 on this weird GPA thing.
 
@orlp Yeah. A is perfect, but you can also get A+ (I have some of those) which give you a 4.33 at my university.
Those A+'s are really doing work for me right now.
 
I had a perfect score on my final exam math in high school
 
Xeo
Your job requirements are fucked up
 
one of two in the country
I don't believe A == perfect score
considering how common they are
unless your tests are significantly easier
 
8:25 PM
A is almost perfect. It's 95+ %
100% is A+, but that can or can not be awarded at the instructor's discretion.
A- is 90%. Then 89% is B+, so on so forth.
Failing is anything beneath 60%.
 
according to this website
anything above 8 in the netherlands translates to an A??
 
Probably.
 
how is that possible?
you said A is perfection
are your tests that easy?
 
I don't know how the netherlands grading scale works.
Is 8 perfect or near-perfect?
 
@ThePhD no, 10 is perfect
8 is 80%
 
8:29 PM
Yeah but what does 80% mean in the netherlands?
Is 80% like "He's a great candidate" or what?
 
@ThePhD 80% means you answered 80% of the questions correct
anything above 60% is considered a passing grade
 
"Converting the numbers of the Dutch grading system into the letters of systems such as those used in the United States and Great Britain, is difficult, especially given the fact that the Dutch grading system is linear rather than curved."
what do they mean with curved?
 
Grading is often done on a Bell Curve.
e.g., the people who do average are usually given a C, and then people fall to the upper portions of the curve (B, A), and people below are (D, F) material.
 
what?
that's retarded
who cares what your classmates are doing
 
Xeo
8:33 PM
It's the US
:P
 
It helps sometimes.
For example, if everyone gets 60s but only a few people get 80s and nobody gets 100s, well. It helps you out if you're in the 80s range.
 
the only thing that does is devaluate an A
it also means you can never compare scores with different schools
 
Maybe. It could also mean the class was dumb hard or the final exam that counts for 60% of your grade had about 4 dumb questions on it and it's only a 20 question exam and ha haaa you got them wrong so you're kinda fucked.
 
what?
you can answer 4 questions wrong and still score a 8
besides, that's not a scoring issue, not a grading system
we've had adjustments in the past, where there was an error or pitfall in a certain question, so they just nullify the question for scoring purposes
 
In my undergraduate quantum class the average on one exam was a 38%.
 
8:35 PM
Some Professors do that. Others grade it to a curve, which semi-adjusts for that kind of scenario.
 
ok, then that is the result
can't just suddenly call 38% the average
so those get Cs
sometimes a class just fails, or a teacher has failed a class
that happens
 
@набиячлэвэли I don't know about the container, but I already have the algorithm :p
 
user1593881
Does anyone know if CppCon will upload more videos on YT. So far there are only Bjarne and Committee Panel.
 
@ThePhD IRTA "Some Processors do that."
 
@Mysticial The computers are taking over your life.
 
user1593881
8:38 PM
I am missing a few question marks there.
 
@RawN from what the chairman said yesterday, the contract with the video recording company says 1 month
 
user1593881
@Cubbi Awesome, thanks.
 
BREAKING: Obama vetoes bill allowing 9/11 victims to sue Saudi - AFP
kinda funny
usa stronk
 
why is that breaking news?
there's nothing urgent about it
 
user1593881
Haha
 
Xeo
8:42 PM
@Mysticial Well, you also had an undergrad GPU, apparently.
 
BREAKING NEWS is when your house is on fire or a surprise earthquake
if you could have read the news tomorrow and still be equally informed and up-to-date, it's not breaking news
 
@orlp still it's quite important thing in us politics
 
@Abyx it could be the most important news ever
and still not be breaking news
 
whatever
 
this is the first time in many years when I ate something and promptly regretted it
clearly not enough drugs in my system
 
8:52 PM
@Puppy what did you eat
 
Your face
Obviously
 
get rekt
 
@Xeo lol
 
@jaggedSpire Hey <3
 
@Morwenn hey <3
how has your Friday been so far?
 
8:54 PM
@jaggedSpire Not that good but not bad either.
 
@Morwenn fair 'nuff :)
 
And the award for '2016 Understatement of the year' goes to... @AndrewLazarus for "Battery combustion, not desirable inflight". — Lego Stormtroopr 16 hours ago
 
@jaggedSpire What about you? :)
 
@Morwenn It's been nice. Two cups of chai, met new guy at work who seemed actually interested in listening to me talk about C++, talked with a friend, fairly productive four hours at work, got a chocolate muffin with chocolate chips for lunch and now I'm home noodling on the computer :)
in all it's been a pretty good day
 
@jaggedSpire Now that sounds like a nice day :D
 
9:03 PM
My day has been good as well.
Besides a nice work day I have also come to a comforting insight.
 
@CaptainGiraffe care to share with us?
@Morwenn ^_^
 
Allow me a second or two =)
 
Actually my day was pretty similar (two cups of coffee, a girl I talk with while drinking coffee at work, fairly productive day and almost nothing for lunch), but I got reprimanded for a dumb API breakage and it hurt a bit.
 
@Morwenn :) :(
 
Apparently I should start hormones on Sunday too.
 
9:07 PM
@Morwenn nice! :)
 
The testosterone killer is said to make people a bit depressed/moody at first. I hope everything will be fine ^^'
 
user1593881
Eeer, that committee panel video was a pain to watch at times. About 25% of the time.
 
@Mysticial Found the Aperture Science employee
 
@RawN That's why I only read slides.
 
I have relative studying at a $60000/year tuition US university. My relative also likes comp-sci. My relative has done 2 comp-sci classes and he hates the lecturers on both. I have reviewed the material on both.
 
9:09 PM
lowl
 
@CaptainGiraffe are they vastly worse than your classes? they're vastly worse than your classes aren't they
are these lectures even in the same league as yours?
 
Not vastly, but lets say by an order of magnitude:)
 
user1593881
@Morwenn Horrible sense of humor, horrible microphone, yelling from both sides, constant interruptions, real horrible. With the exception of Bjarne everything else was a hot mess
 
@jaggedSpire OOM: If you are really interested in a topic, the lecturer should not make you run to your (older) relative and say "I hate prof, but tell me more".
 
@CaptainGiraffe nice!
@CaptainGiraffe ...oh my
 
9:14 PM
My state funded ass is better =)
 
Now with that in mind, I'm also safely multi threaded.
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Nice crochet.
 
@CaptainGiraffe aw
 
By the way, where has all the fluff gone? D:
 
9:20 PM
I'm just a little dehydrated.
 
@Morwenn discord/floof
 
Oh, right.
 
I actually rarely post there these days. It's mostly Tony and @Borgleader <3
 
@orlp a muffin
 
9:22 PM
I just had a scotch.
 
@Puppy yummy
 
@jaggedSpire Oh right, I almost never see them now they've moved to Discord :/
 
@Morwenn :\
I should get an orange and some kahlua
ooooh
maybe some candied nuts
I'm depleting my stock of depleted bananas by making banana bread with them
and orange zest is an A+ addition
the kahlua is because I'm out of kahlua and it is an A+ addition to chocolate things of all stripes
 
Xeo
"depleted bananas" - did you use them as a radioactive source in some kinda fruitsy nuclear reactor?
 
@jaggedSpire Are you eating helthy stuff or something? :o
 
9:27 PM
@Morwenn I actually eat a lot of stuff like that
 
I want to eat nectarines and grapes.
 
@Xeo absolutely. That's why I need to rid myself of the buildup before it goes critical
 
@Xeo K40 the most potent cold fusion in modern physics.
 
really though I have like nine frozen bananas in my freezer because they're usable in banana bread after they go brown and squishy and at that point it doesn't even matter if they're frozen
my food isn't so much healthy as associated with health food
 
:D
 
9:37 PM
for instance, my breakfasts are almost always granola+greek yogurt+fruit+chai+milk
 
My breakfasts don't exist most of the time, and I don't always eat lunch (and when I do, I don't eat much) :x
 
user1804599
Soma cubes are super rad.
 
granola isn't really a health food--sure it's got nuts and seeds, but at least the recipe I use also calls for a decent amount of sweet things
as in 1/3 cup of honey and 2 tbsp of brown sugar for a two-week supply of the stuff
I dunno
it could be healither
and I've been making myself a ramen-like substance lately
and the loaf of banana bread I'm finishing off had chocolate chips in with the orange zest
 
Today I ate a wheat crêpe with salted butter near 19h, then I ate a buckwheat crête with onion & cheese near 22h. It's far from being healthy.
 
@Morwenn on the other hand, crêpes
 
9:40 PM
@jaggedSpire But sweet things are so tasty.
 
@Morwenn they are. I actually get more enjoyment out of crunchy food though
it's like it's fighting you for its own survival, and when it finally fractures you've won :)
 
Crunchy + sweet is why granola is so good!
 
incidentally, I'm not allowed to eat ice or raw pasta anymore according to my dentist :(
I was winning but my teeth were losing
 
Yesterday I ate a big salad with walnuts, cheese, fried chicken, onion, avocado and French fries. That was great but I had an arugula taste in mouth all night long ç_____ç
 
@Morwenn :(
 
9:43 PM
@jaggedSpire Raw? That's hardcore xD
 
arugala is no fun
@Morwenn arrrrrr
that moment when it bends and you know it's about to shatter
 
I don't even like arugula, but it's among the most served salads :/
 
it's a brief, shining thing
@Morwenn it's definitely not my favorite green
that would be spinach
 
@jaggedSpire Are you really talking about rice?
 
spinach + pecans + pear + feta ooooh yes
@Morwenn that too
also spinach + strawberries + almonds
 
9:45 PM
@jaggedSpire I don't like spinach either. I'm more into lamb's lettuce and iceberg lettuce.
 
and spinach + pecans + sweet apple + feta or gorgonzola
 
@jaggedSpire I can get behind pecans + pear + feta *-*
 
@Morwenn ^_^
 
9:56 PM
@jaggedSpire You want to work ?
 
@Ramy ...I gain a sense of self-worth from working
 
Soo, it's no..
 
so it's yes
I've spent time without a job
when I was expected to have one
 
yes? I can give 10.000 or 15.000
 
it was one of the most emotionally draining experiences I've ever had
 
9:59 PM
Give me you e-mail.
 
I have a job.
 
..
 
I don't need another
 
One more , belive me is easy what i need.
 
I want to work
but I have work
 
10:00 PM
understnd.
 
so that emotional need is fulfilled
and I can go fold paper, read fanfic and make terrible posts here without feeling unusually terrible about myself
 
@jaggedSpire Peer pressure is one of the hardest parts.
 
@Morwenn Pecans + chocolate (+ enough other stuff to make brownies).
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire on the other hand
I've had no time to "cool down". And i do think I miss that...
 
@JerryCoffin I tend not to be that much into chocolate.
 
user1804599
10:07 PM
If C++ implementations have to store the length of a new[]ed array somewhere (to know how often to call the element dtors), why isn't there a way to access that?
 
user1804599
Why does std::vector store a redundant integer for the capacity?
 
I've often asked myself this question
I think that it's probably a holdover from the malloc/free days where the size of the returned memory is not strictly the size you asked for
although in that case why they didn't return the true memory size I don't know
 
user1804599
Specifically, Itanium requires it in memory right before the payload, so accessing it is O(1).
 
aaaargh
 
user1804599
@Puppy You need the exact size, otherwise delete[] doesn't know how often to call dtors.
 
10:09 PM
yeah, I know
I meant legacy holdover
 
user1804599
ok
 
I just saw a person enter an IP address manually in a TV show, and it has 750 as one of the triples
10
 
> std::allocator Is to Allocation what std::vector Is to Vexation
 
user1804599
Oh right, allocators.
 
user1804599
I use my own allocator!
— nobody ever
 
10:10 PM
I have done so in the past
 
@rightfold Game apparently sometimes do developers, but they don't use std::vector.
 
personally I am of the opinion that deallocation should require passing in the size
 
user1804599
I like tracing garbage collectors.
 
@JerryCoffin Mmmmm
 
There's an allocator library that passes pointer/size blocks around.
 
user1804599
10:13 PM
TIL a pizza Margherita features the colours of the Italian flag.
 
user1804599
Red tomatoes, green basil, and white mozzarella.
 
Ven
;o)
 
Time to sleep. See you later :)
 
user1804599
bye
 
Ven
cya :3
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
@Ven what do you do these days?
 
user1804599
Do you still teach people stuff at school?
 
@Morwenn That explains a lot about your lack of enthusiasm about life in general.
 
@JerryCoffin :p
 
So where's the synchronization? — Mysticial 1 min ago
 
I like raw black chocolate, chocolate mousse and royal chocolate.
 
10:17 PM
^^ That's a first. Most of the producer-consumer questions I see are lock heavy or deadlock. This one has no locks at all. :)
 
@Mysticial We live in a commune, man. We don't need no stinking locks!
 
user1804599
> How to break the speed of light:
Step 1: Name a vase "Speed of Light"
Step 2: Break it.
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nwp
@Mysticial lock free data structures are great!
 
user1804599
lol locks
 
user1804599
locks are bollocks
 
user1804599
10:19 PM
immutable data master race
 
Ven
10:30 PM
@rightfold I'll probably teach them C++ starting ~january
 
user1804599
RIP
 
Ven
better solution
than let the C teachers teach students C++ :/
 
user1804599
XD
 
10:48 PM
Okay. Let's see how much patience I have...
Hint: You're using the consumer thread to print out the number that's generated in the producer thread. But your mechanism of transferring the number from producer to consumer is broken because of the race condition. Therefore using the consumer thread to print out the random number is not a reliable way to check if the random number generator is working. What's a better place to check if the rand() is working? — Mysticial 57 secs ago
 
lol
 
@Mikhail Technically the answer should be, "You should fix your UB first before anything else."
 
But, its not really UB, its just not the behavior you would expect?
 
@Mysticial How goes the bug hunt?
 
TBH, depending on what order std::vector writes the value and updates the size, his code would probably work fine on x86. I don't think he's seeding the RNG properly so it probably always returns 1 mod 4 every time he runs it.
@Borgleader Failed. Laptop passed 6 hours of row hammer. Manually halving the refresh interval did jack shit. The bad binaries continued to fail within 20 min. The good binaries lasted the full 8 hours.
I'm gonna try relaxing the rest of the memory timings tonight. Then I'll do Windows updates.
Either way, I'm resuming development. I know the line that causes it. And it seems very consistent regardless of what revision it is.
So I'll periodically check to see if the laptop still has the clear-cut pass/fail with/without that placement new line.
So while I'm trying out the last two things on my laptop tonight, I'm gonna backfill my revision history with all the intermediates that a made to track this stupid "bug".
 
11:04 PM
So you know its the placement new but you dont know how?
 
Correct.
The placement new compiles to a memset to zero.
I could try breaking that down and see if memset to non-zero values does. But at this point, I'm just sick and tired of this.
 
o.O weird
 
I have a reliable repro, so I can come back to it later.
If only there was a way for me to get Linux to work on this laptop.
 
It doesnt support the HW?
 
@Mysticial There is. Tear out all the guts and replace it with different guts in the same case, and call it the same laptop anyway.
 
11:08 PM
@Borgleader I can install it, but the display drivers bail out on boot. The screen flickers uncontrollably to the point that it's unusable.
 
I see
 
Apparently, MSI doesn't like Linux.
 
@Mysticial Given who we know does the flipping off, it's more likely that Linux doesn't like MSI.
 
@JerryCoffin ahaha
Because it's a laptop, it's more difficult for me to install a separate system.
But I might try that at point.
And see if I see the problem with a fresh install without any drivers.
 
@Puppy Iron Man 2, I believe, had something similar.
 
11:14 PM
@Mysticial Test it by installing Linux to a thumb drive. If it works, then you can deal with a more permanent installation.
 
@JerryCoffin It doesn't matter what device Linux is installed on. Once it boots, it's impossible to use because of the flickering.
It doesn't even make it to the login screen.
 
@Mysticial You were talking about doing "a fresh install without any drivers". I just meant, do that to a thumb drive to see if it works. If and only if it works better, worry about installing it on more permanent media.
 
@JerryCoffin I meant a fresh Windows installation.
 
@Mysticial Ah, I see. Got it.
 
Because I use my laptop like a normal computer, I have a ton of shit installed along with drivers for all the shit that a laptop normally shits. (wifi, lighted keyboard, camera, video, sound, network)
Oh and I forgot iTunes. It's so obnoxious that you might as well call it a Windows driver.
 
11:20 PM
Seems doubtful that the Windows installation would affect anything under Linux, but I suppose it could (e.g., if Windows is installing a EFI/UEFI driver which Linux then tries to use).
 
@JerryCoffin Right now, the Windows installation does not use UEFI because I intended to dual-boot it with Linux.
 
@Mysticial I call it "a thing I removed from all my machines long ago, and have avoided in general for years."
@Mysticial There are a few Linux distros that now support UEFI secure boot (and UEFI inherently supports booting multiple systems).
 
@JerryCoffin I think Ubuntu is actually one of them. But I've never tried. I sorta stayed away from it since I know it'll work without UEFI. IOW, don't fix it if it ain't broke.
 
@JerryCoffin UEFI in theory supports booting multiple systems, but all of them struggle for control and tend to mandate incompatible BIOS options :( I know this because anytime I need to boot a legacy OS I spend ~30 minutes fixing the UEFI boot
 
@Mysticial Fair enough.
@sehe Hmm...strange. I haven't run into nearly that level of problem on my machine. Maybe I just got lucky though--I've only put Linux on one UEFI machine so far.
 
11:31 PM
I have settled for not enabling secure boot, too in the end. Too damn hard with full disk encryption enabled.
That's a bit of a weird contradictory combination if you will, but convenience must be.
 
Thinking about it, even though I'm using UEFI, I don't think I'm using Secure Boot (on the Windows side I still run Windows 7). I did have Windows 10 installed for a few days though, and as I recall it would be doing secure boot by default. I don't remember if I tried to boot Linux during the (short) time it was installed though...
 
Well, its about OEM security rather than user security... Potentially, they could lock out other operating systems with secure boot...
 
Lenovo doesn't need that :)
 
@Mikhail Given the number of times both Microsoft and Intel have already been prosecuted for monopolistic trade practices, they're likely to be fairly careful about something like this that could be interpreted as more of the same. Beside, Intel is probably at least somewhat in favor of Microsoft having competitors, and Microsoft seems to have realized that the OS business probably isn't going to be a big money make a lot longer either.
 
@JerryCoffin There is a like a wikipedia page about this, and the controversy
 
11:46 PM
@Mikhail Doesn't surprise me. But lots of Wiki editors are...well, idiots.
 
@sehe Lenovo can't use secure boot. How else are they going to rootkit the system?
 
:)
 
Intel's IME?
 
@Mysticial They'll get Sony to help out...
It'll be a new first: playing a movie rootkits the system (entirely benevolently, of course).
 
@Puppy absolutely
 
11:52 PM
This is interesting. I just got home and confirmed that my day run of a known bad binary failed - even with half the refresh interval. The system was also almost completely unresponsive. The drivers for CPUz and HWMonitor had 100% CPU interrupts.
 
@Puppy blame C though
people got used to malloc not needing that
so one thing I don't understand
people are (rightfully) complaining that tickets are being bought up by scalpers all the time
and everything sells out instantly
and have to go to third party ticket sellers to get tickets for events
the part that I don't understand is why people believe tickets will be cheaper if scalping would be gone
people are clearly prepared to pay that much, since all these events still sell out on third party websites
 

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