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10:00 PM
@Ven Probably partly because this what people want to hear.
 
@Xeo That creeps me out. But I might go to reddit for news concentration too in the future
 
So medias rush on the buzzword.
 
Ven
sure
 
fucking hell
 
That said, it might very well be one.
 
10:00 PM
this world is fucked up
i wish i wasn't human
seriously
 
@ChemiCalChems calm down
 
@ChemiCalChems Welcome to the slaughterhouse then.
 
@sehe oh, i'm calm, but people are dead
 
No, I meant "calm" as in "calm".
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@sehe i'm calm, i'm just very very deeply sad
it's getting more on me every day
 
10:02 PM
You have a very weird way to express sadness.
@ChemiCalChems Which is why you need to stop panicking. Tyvm
 
i'm sad, that's all
lots of stuff has being going on for months
and that's it
i shouldn't talk about this anyway
 
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In the 80's we had this youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs. There is nothing new under the sun.
 
@ChemiCalChems It might be a good idea to look at the definition of "terrorism" for a second.
 
@sehe grand people
@sehe i'm not talking about world news, i'm talking personal
terrorism just adds to the list
and fucking let it be playing in the background because there's a beatles tribute concert by my house doesn't help either xd
 
10:09 PM
@ChemiCalChems oh. That's sad indeed. All the more reason to maybe not focus on the news that much. News focuses on the deviant events and magnifies uncertainty.
 
A Beatles tribute concert is probably a valid reason for terrorism.
 
@Morwenn xD
@sehe i can't let myself ignore what goes around the world, that'll make me an ignorant piece of crap
and that will be even worse for me than knowing what's happening
at least i connect to the world through all of this
 
@CaptainGiraffe I can hardly see any relation, really.
@ChemiCalChems Right. I'm going to sit here directly denying this claim.
 
@sehe you're probably right, ignorance makes people happy, but i'm not that kind of person
 
Nobody is better for being a better news slave consumer. If you need to know, you will hear from your direct environment
@ChemiCalChems It's not ignorance to not feed on chaos.
 
10:13 PM
@sehe oh, i hear what happens from what you guys say
@sehe chaos created life, life is chaos, i'll feed upon it
 
That's good.
@ChemiCalChems Cinch, get out :|
 
xD
 
@Morwenn but I like The Beatles D:
 
@jaggedSpire I'm sorry for you :'(
 
@jaggedSpire It's a beatles tribute. God knows what they did to their songs
@Morwenn I don't hate the beatles
 
10:14 PM
@sehe ah, point
@Morwenn :(
 
@sehe I can't say I hate them. But I mostly don't listen to them nor enjoy them when I do hear their music :/
 
Just going to throw a question out there: if I use a class to model a collection of data, how does it differ from using a class to model the individual data set that comprises the collection of data?
 
In the differences (that you don't specify)
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
@ChemiCalChems Cinch, get out :|
 
That too
 
10:17 PM
@Morwenn i don't even get that
 
That's not surprising :p
 
@sehe Like implementing functions that are responsible for the management of the data?
 
@Morwenn I'm somewhat intrigued by the drummers of their time. They have very specific "agogics". And I like the superficial simplicities
 
Agogics?
 
@ChemiCalChems Cinch is a guy who's lounge famous for combining "science" with "conspiracy theorism"
 
10:19 PM
@sehe oh
 
@sehe There has always been scares doubled by real issues. Multiplied with the news cycle, twitter, reddit, 24h news. In the 80's there was total annihilation that was the endgame. Now there are dangers from less capable sources, portrayed with real people, personal stuff. The relation is that we never run out of things to be scared of and appalled by.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Cold war doesn't come close. Had you picked "Rote Armee Faktion" or something...
 
@0x1000001 What
 
@Shoe
 
@sehe Come close to what? The death toll?
 
10:20 PM
No. The manifestation form and implications
Noun: agogic ‎(plural agogics)
  1. (music) an accent that accentuates a note by extending it slightly beyond its normal time value
 
Oh, my vocabulary is still lacking it seems.
 
@Shoe Take class Song which models a song, and class SongList which models the collection of songs. What is the class that models the collection of songs going to be responsible for? The database management functions? (add, remove, seach, list)
 
@0x1000001 Why don't you use something like std::vector<Song> instead?
 
@Morwenn Or I happen to be music nerd
 
@sehe I feel like I've asked you this before and you answered in the negative, but do you play any instrument?
 
10:24 PM
I like whacky electro drums that are made to sound a bit like real drums, but are almost arhythmic and mostly unplayable.
 
@CaptainGiraffe erm...
 
@Shoe academic assignment requirements. If you could recommend a place to read up it, that would be helpful, too.
 
Even though drummers often end up playing apparently unplayable things.
 
@0x1000001 Read what up? std::vector?
 
@Shoe no, how to iimplement a class that manages another class
 
10:25 PM
If you really have to write your own collection thingy, and are not familiar with templates, just copy the interface of std::vector and you are settled.
 
@0x1000001 Uhoh. Java room is third down the hall.
 
That means push_back, remove, size, ... usual stuff.
 
@sehe C++ academic class
 
I'm aware of this. "Manager classes" are not welcome here though
@Shoe I don't think it's about collections. It's about domain modeling, IYAM
 
Yeah, it sounds awful
 
10:27 PM
Their domain objects may need to use collections, but that's but an implementation detail
@Shoe Can't "remove" on a red-book CD, e.g.
 
I'm quite surprised "Manager" wasn't caught by SOs word filter here.
 
@sehe Well, technically you can. Just damage the CD in the right spot :P
 
@CaptainGiraffe Whats "Manager"?
 
@0x1000001 If you classes than model Song and SongList, they will have to be isolated from the idea of a database. How you persist these objects is a different responsibility
 
@Shoe Damaging crossdressers is illegal AFAIK.
 
10:29 PM
@0x1000001 Nevermind, let's focus on your confusion question
 
@0x1000001 There are two types of Managers, one is an incessant pest that is labelled as a "Pattern" the other is an incessant pest labelled as a "Boss"
 
The drums pattern at 2:16 and later is just incredibly cool.
 
@sehe I'm to use an array to implement the managing class, but its seems that the array should be implemented with the data class
 
Depends on what the "managing class" (teehee, java-joke) is supposed to manage.
 
Interesting. The munich attack seems to be carried out by a nationalist apparently
 
10:34 PM
@sehe its to manage stuff like adding, removing, searching,
 
If "SongListManagement" is roughly "IContainSongsInOrder" then, yeah, that could be implemented using a container of sorts (arrays are horrible abstractions in C++, only use them for fixed-size collections)
 
TVs here said he was yelling "I'm german" and "fuck immigrants".
Which is the other side of the spectrum respectively to what we have seen recently
 
@0x1000001 Adding/removing what to/from what?
 
@sehe the database
 
@Shoe Well done. You've found the non-CNN non-FOX news :)
 
10:36 PM
Sky TG 24 Italy news :/
 
@0x1000001 Oh well. If you think that's somehow magically clear, we can't give any better answer than "Yes, classes with responsibilities are a good design guiding principle"
 
@Shoe That's not surprising either. Nationalists start to react violently.
 
@Shoe What also helps is that it's several hours down the road, but CNN hasn't changed it's coverage yet. It's still focusing on islamist terrorism
 
And with the wave of simili-dictatorship coming everywhere, it wouldn't be surprising if some parts of the far left became violent too, but mostly against politics.
 
@Morwenn That explanation doesn't make much sense, unless the targets where "others"
 
10:37 PM
 
@sehe Implying these guys make sense? :p
 
Cinch levels are high today
@Morwenn Implying your explanation needs improvement.
 
I don't have the required vocabulary to fluently discuss politics, sorry.
Probably not a wide enough background either anyway.
 
It's not politics to describe facts, IYAM
 
It's kind of politics to (try to) reason about the motives.
 
10:40 PM
okay this my longest CM session to date
still not finished
my throat is dry
 
Ven
Assembly is useful if the only decision you want to take is where you're gonna crash: sea, mountain, valley, sehe's island.
 
@sehe Sorry. Starting over... There are two classes, Song and SongList. Song is supposed to manage the data for each object, Song, and Songlist is to manage the functions which manage Song. However, I'm to use an array to implement SongList, which doesn't make sense.
 
@0x1000001 Just a heads up, in the Java world, it's common to have giant class ecosystems. In C++, we use classes mostly to encapsulate data. It's implied that they avoid touching other classes unless those classes are data.
 
@Morwenn Reasoning about motives can't happen before noticing facts.
4 mins ago, by Morwenn
@Shoe That's not surprising either. Nationalists start to react violently.
So, who are nationalists here, and what are they reacting to? What tells you it's a reaction?
 
@sehe Haha, sure it can. Just throw hypothetical facts in.
 
10:42 PM
@0x1000001 I'm sorry. Maybe it's best to just implement something and put it up on Code Review
@Morwenn That's probably funny.
 
@sehe « Nationalists » was an I-miss-an-accurate-word population of people who do tell « fuck immigrants » and want their country to remain their own alone.
 
Ok. And the rest?
 
@0x1000001 Songlist can be std::array<Song> and it'll have everything you need to put in new songs, take them out, and read their information. If it's writing to a database, have the Database object convert songs and store them, then retreive them and convert back into songs
 
@sehe Reacting to the current immigration wave and how much of an overflow it seems to be. Also, probably mixing immigrants and terrorists in some minds.
 
There shouldn't be any need to tell a songlist how to read what's in song, and there shouldn't be any need for the database to know anything about a song other than how to get data from it
 
10:45 PM
@Aaron3468 thanks, but I've got to use a class for SongList
 
@Morwenn What observation actively supports this "reaction" hypothesis?
Because honestly, it strikes me as "yet another white male with mental issues", how else to explain the fact he didn't go to a refugee camp, or a mosk?
Have you heard of DAL?
No? RIP
Yes? RIP
 
is rightfold gone?
 
It's smells like enterprise-java-style design
 
@0x1000001 class Songlist { std::array<Song> songs } Congratulations, it's a baby class
 
@JohanLarsson No. He became fish, some 7 weeks ago
 
10:46 PM
@sehe I'm watching this
 
@sehe Yeah, to be honest, I'm probably just regarding a few isolated cases in the light of the current context while they may have always been that many facts.
 
@Aaron3468 Stop it. It's baby rubbish.
@Morwenn Mind you, I can see the nationalist response. Has been going silently for years, and yes they very much feed on the surge in terrorist attacks as a legitimization.
But this shooting doesn't strike me as related
 
Alrighty then. DAL =.=
 
@sehe Right. Maybe it isn't. But it wouldn't be surprising either.
 
Oh. That's a weird cop-out.
There are many things that wouldn't be surprising that aren't actually happening.
Trump marrying his daughter would not be too surprising, I guess.
 
10:50 PM
or waterboarding her
 
@Ven Probably sehe's island. I feel like I'd learn something
 
Well, yelling « I'm German » and « fuck immigrants » do sound like it's kind of related.
 
@JohanLarsson The thrill of that probably wore of around 2001
@Morwenn Yeah. But subsequently killing random Germans is slightly... more indicative of mental instability.
 
Oh right. My attention is taken by many more things at once so I didn't really give a thought to everything. My bad.
 
Honestly though, terrorists and extreme nationalists are pretty much the same thing, and conflating the individuals with their country only serves to reinforce the resentment to foreign forces that gave rise to their sense of nationalism to begin with.
 
10:52 PM
@Morwenn Eye witnesses specifically reported hearing a (the?) gunman shout "Allahu Akhbar" too. And shooting kids in the McDonalds
 
Ok. WTF now.
 
Precisely.
 
I don't support 'war(s) on terror' for precisely that reason. Deal with them as individuals, not representatives of a nation, and you take away their power.
But then again, I suppose that's where privateers are a great counterexample to my logic
 
@Morwenn I also spotted CNN Europe airing sound from an eyewitness video, where the voices were (clearly) angry civilians shouting to the suspect (from "safe" distance) and the reporter didn't skip a beat and misinterpreted the words as if they were the shooter's voice. That's... how you kill news reporting
@Morwenn It would make some sense if members of the public would have shouted some of these nationalist things, and they weren't actually said by the shooter(s)....
 
@sehe Wow, that's pretty sad.
 
Ell
10:57 PM
@Aaron3468 well, they are not representative of a nation, but of whatever the terrorists say they are a representation of
 
holy hell
265m:22s
and we've scheduled another one today
I'm dying
 
Ell
If they shout "For the Queen of england!"
 
how am I supposed to do 7h workshops
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz from the weight of your pockets by now?
 
@Ell so many steam games waiting
 
10:58 PM
@Ell kind of; they choose to identify their actions as stemming from affiliations, but the real question is whether they are sponsored by a government organization, or acting as an independent (or independent organization).
 
@Morwenn Lemme find it.
 
@Ell but I mean it is demanding
 
Because if the government sponsors them, it is war. If an independent sponsors them, it's terrorism. If they have no sponsor, it's radicalism.
 
I love it and I could do it, but it is demanding
 
Ell
Yeah I can imagine
It's two hours past my bedtime
 
11:00 PM
@Morwenn On this page edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/… the vid labeled "Video from parking garage". It becomes really hilarious when the "reporter who speaks German" gets his say
 
it's 1am here
 
Ell
12am here
Wait 0am
12pm? I never know.
Goodnight anyway :)
 
> "In this case that sounded like a typical dispute between Munich people" ... "Munich people tend to be very vocal"
Well. People might be slightly agitated when confronting rogue shooters
 
@sehe that's one way to put it
 
@sehe Many of them are members of the public with little experience in high-risk confrontations, too :)
 
11:02 PM
@sehe Well...
 
Most people would flee. It's funny to say "that's typical Munich people disputing" when you air audio of the rare members of the public that choose to (verbally) confront a shooter
But AFAIR he then goes on to attribute the words to the shooter. Which I think is preposterous
TBH I can't really make out much of what is being said, but the whole idea of an attacker wasting time on some verbal altercations like that mid-shooting is a bit ... unlikely to me.
 
Yeah.
 
Can someone explain me what the __attribute__((used)) does? Ive been searching for some time and still couldnt figure it out :(
 
see you tomorrow bois, gonna try get some sleep
 
@sehe clearly he was searching for less
 
That's why I tell him what I find, and how I do it
 
it's too late
sleepz
 
night
 
The more I work with C++, the more I realize how massive the spec actually is
Which I shouldn't be surprised about considering it ranges everything from assembler all the way up to some generics/functional coding
 
11:20 PM
thats not attributes
it is but
it dosent show __attriute__(used)
 
> This attribute, attached to a variable, means that the variable
> must be emitted even if it appears that the variable is not
> referenced.
> The used attribute is only meaningful on a function or global
variable. It's intended to be used to force the function or global
variable to be emitted even if it is not used. - https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2013-09/msg00110.html
 
user406009
Seems quite useless.
 
spontaneously forgets link syntax every few weeks
 
@user5600875 what are you talking about. Firstly, it's in bold. In the title. The post quotes docs saying what it should do. Secondly, I shared you my magic google so you can click on the other links for more background. It's not hard.
 
Yeah, it'd only be useful if it could be applied to local scopes where a variable might be accidentally removed before use (because you didn't code properly). It seems more like a way to silence the compiler because you keep getting an error you don't understand
 
11:29 PM
Huh. It's obviously useful to emit object data for entries that are unused
> It's intended to be used to force the function or global variable to be emitted even if it is not used
 
This is true, though I'm not sure why that might be useful.
 
If you want to use the same object file with various tools, and some tools want meta data there. When you want to dynamically get at stuff at runtime but the linker thought is wasn't statically referenced, so would otherwise remove it
When there is a debug function that is not actually used in the program, but you want to have it available for use from the debugger.
 
Ah, that's a great example!
I really should stop feeding help vampires. It's a terrible habit I have...
 
11:59 PM
@Ell lol 12h system
 

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