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7:00 PM
If we figure out a human utility function, we can imbue a paperclipper with it.
 
A practical problem with a mechanical button is that there's only one way to push it -- how would the pusher make it known to the machinery behind it where to aim the bombs? Perhaps back when the "button" metaphor was conceived, it might have been meaningful to imagine an actual button that would unconditionally launch the entire arsenal at pre-selected targets in the Soviet Union, but if you're going to nuke someone today, who's it gonna be? Russia? North Korea? Iran? ISIS? Belgium? — Henning Makholm 2 days ago
@HenningMakholm - of course BelgiumMaciej Piechotka 2 days ago
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Though now I say that, I find it silly.
Basically Godwon myself.
 
When you want to fap but the story is good so you just keep reading instead.
 
It might be weird or hard to implement this but I have two functions; one operated on a data type and the other on a vector of the data type. Now I want my variable (either of data type or of the vector of the data type) to be defined in an if statement based on the input and then call the overloaded function. Is that possible at all to do?
 
7:17 PM
@Mysticial "Miserable fat Belgian bastards" certainly describes me.
@Grey Your question starts interesting. But then I began dreaming away.
 
@StackedCrooked I think there is a website where I can write code and then place a link here. If anyone knows it I can be more precise
 
coliru.stacked-crooked.com
 
I think there is a website where I can ask a question and get answers.
 
Oh right. What am I doing.
 
@milleniumbug I know, if its worth posting I will do it and have you answer there. It would be better to know how to say it exactly because I searched and found nothing, but maybe I was using wrong keys
 
7:26 PM
I always get confused whether to issue up or down command when I hit a breakpoint in gdb
 
boost::variant
 
ok thanks
I think that this functionality should be imported in C++. Its not huge but it reduces code
lines
 
It's in C++17
now you have to wait for the new compilers
 
@milleniumbug Thanks for the info! Do you know where can we see which compilers support what?
 
7:30 PM
Every compiler has it's own feature list, you just have to go to their respective websites
 
because I had the same problem with something introduced in C++14 that the gcc did not supported and I had to change my code to something supported from the C++98
:3186839 Thanks! Do we star or not answers? Or do we say thanks etc? Havent used SE chat for a while and I forgot
 
If a feature does not appear in the list, it generally means that no compiler supports it.
std::variant will be in GCC7.
 
@Morwenn Thank you! Whats the difference between C++1x and C++1x-lang? And does the list assume that all the other functionality from the previous standards is supported?
 
@Grey C++1x is the library part and C++1x-lang is the core language part.
I guess it does assume that C++03 features are mostly supported by all compilers.
 
Damn, yet another attack.
 
7:43 PM
The one in Germany or yet another one?
 
@Morwenn I think he's talking about the one in Germany
 
I'm tellin ya
drop a nuke on raqqa ;p
 
@Puppy That would only make them be even more hardcore in 20 years, when the new generation is up.
 
didn't happen in japan
 
@Puppy You can't compare Japanese culture to Yihadism, this war has been going on for centuries
 
7:50 PM
I think that even jihadists would rather give up than face nuclear fire
 
@Puppy Their objective is to die as heroes to go to their paradise and have virgins to fuck, so I wouldn't be so sure. Granted, there aren't only fighters there, also civilians, but that makes the matter even more complicated.
 
not sure if being nuked counts as dying as a hero
besides, I don't think their objective is the extinction of their people
 
@Puppy But would you bomb civilians? That would cause massive outrage elsewhere in the region.
 
would I bomb civilians?
yes.
in fact I pretty much feel that that's necessary.
civilians can just keep making more jihadists, it doesn't matter how many we kill, arrest, or torture.
 
I can't agree with you. Those people are innocent.
 
7:54 PM
personally I think there is little that can be done to save them
 
@Morwenn Germany.
 
a conventional war loss to assad/iraq will hardly be safe for them
 
@Puppy So then you are gonna do the opposite and kill them?
 
@ChemiCalChems I figure that if you do it, you might gain something from their deaths, instead of them dying pointlessly.
 
@Puppy My point is that yihadists aren't only there. In fact a lot of militants come from elsewhere in the world. Bombing Raqqa would only kill innocent people and enrage the lone wolfs in the rest of the world, which could make the whole problem start again but worse.
 
7:57 PM
the lone wolfs don't matter and would probably mass murder people regardless of what you do (see United States)
 
This is like a hydra, you have to cut all the heads at the same time.
 
personally I am of the opinion that organized jihadists would much rather live peacefully than face having a nuke dropped on them
 
@Puppy You have to admit it's way too risky
 
I do?
because my whole position here is that it's really not way too risky at all.
 
the lone wolfs could recreate the organization from 0
 
7:58 PM
well then
it's a good thing that my nation has at least, like, 150 of them in ready-to-drop condition
also it's kinda the definition of the lone wolf, it's in the name, "lone".
 
@Puppy So you would kill even more civilians, this time in Europe? These guys are integrated in our societies man
 
I'm pretty sure that they cold not start a new Islamic State in Europe.
we have like, tanks and shit.
 
@Puppy No they couldn't, I'm not saying that. But they could move back, and they wouldn't be noticed until there were even more lone wolves. Apple Inc., 1 Infinite Loop
 
I'm certain that the security services of Europe could never handle, like, vetting people from Syria or anything.
 
@Puppy you have your own language?
 
8:03 PM
@Puppy For me the problem is still that dropping nukes on there until they are all gone it non ethical. All is the word that doesn't fit there. I know what they are doing is non ethical either, but come on, we can't stop being civilized, that'd give them more reasons to do shit.
 
my position is that they will not stop until they realize how truly terrible what they're doing is
 
@Puppy you need more documentation on that Wide Langauge
 
they will just keep on going until they remember why the Cold War remained cold.
Jihadists are far from the only people fucking up in this way
Russia, the US and Europe are all becoming more nationalist, more stupid
 
nwp
@Puppy there is not much more terrible than dropping nukes on people. I'd say the extremist is you.
 
they need to be reminded of why they gave up that path.
 
8:05 PM
@Puppy We can't kill even more civilians man...
 
why not?
it happens every day.
did you know people die of cancer all the time in my country when there are drugs that could save them?
we of course do not use them because they cost too much.
 
@Puppy You want what happens here to happen to other civilians, times 10000x in a single day?
 
we kill those people for our own benefit.
same thing for every person killed on the roads.
we could give up cars but we don't.
there's no difference here
you're sacrificing a small number of people for the overall good.
 
@Puppy That's another matter, but fucking nuking innocent people, how can you even think about that?
 
I don't really see any better alternatives.
 
8:07 PM
@Puppy Every alternative is better than that, opening a ground war is more viable than that
i understand that you don't agree with me, but fucking hell, we are talking about nukes
 
really?
because it says here that Raqqa's population is only 250,000 people.
whereas the number of people killed in the Syrian civil war to date is 280,000-400,000.
never mind the 12 million refugees
or all the people killed in Iraq.
you don't quite seem to realize how bad an industrialised ground war is.
 
@Puppy So you want to add more people to the death count because it's big already?
 
I want to convince them that continuing hostilities is a pretty stupid thing to do.
and hopefully this time the lesson will last longer than 70 years
 
@Puppy For that you have to kill 250,000 people? There will be no more people to convince
 
but I'm thinking that's to do with human generational lengths and it'll need to happen again
@ChemiCalChems Compared to 12 million refugees, 250,000 people in Raqqa is really not that much.
 
8:11 PM
@Puppy Again, you want to add more people to the death count because it represents not that much?
Adding people won't stop this war, it'll make it worse
 
see, that's where I disagree.
 
The death count is high enough already, we don't have to add even more people to it, there has to be another solution
 
that is pointlessly optimistic.
name it and then I'll consider it
 
nwp
He just wants to kill them all, until no one is left to oppose. It makes me so sad and angry, I though we learned that that is not the way.
 
@Puppy I'm no military leader, but a ground war IMO is better option that will have much less civilians deaths than nuking
 
8:13 PM
the ground war already killed way more civilians.
 
@nwp I completely fucking agree.
 
adding more people into the ground war won't make it better.
and frankly, winning the ground war won't actually win anything.
the people of Iraq can testify to that.
 
@Puppy Killing 250,000 people by nuke is the same
 
you need to get the other guy to decide not to fight anymore.
nah
 
@Puppy The guy can't decide if you kill him
 
8:14 PM
there'll be lots of people left.
Raqqa's a pretty tiny amount of the population there
not to mention the fighting in e.g. Iraq, Ukraine
 
@Puppy Who will want to avenge their brothers
 
nobody wants to avenge their brothers when that will result in the extinction of their people.
nuclear weapons have only one real advantage over conventional ones and it's a colossal fear factor
 
@Puppy France is doing the same thing, they keep on bombing the region and keep on being attacked, don't see why these guys wouldn't do the same. It's not on the same scale, but I can't even imagine what a guy who can make bombs would do when he wakes up one morning to a nuke dropped in his country / whatever it means to him
The lone wolfs will want to avenge their brothers, and in the process, die as heroes
 
eh
 
It won't matter to them if they die, it'll be better for them actually
 
8:17 PM
you're forgetting about the tens of millions of survivors
whose lives are now effectively forfeit.
the reason why those guys target civilians in France is because they know that France will not retaliate.
their families are safe.
it's a totally different equation when France might hit you back, a few hundred thousand times harder
 
I'm saying if it makes France keep on dropping bombs to keep on getting struck, calculate if they were nuked. France would return the nuke. That's why the Cold War never became hot, because we humans are too stupid to not strike back
Lone wolfs would strike back, as hard as they could
 
the Cold War never became hot because everybody involved realized that it would result in the utter annihilation of their side.
and therefore decided that the wiser move was not to piss off the guys who would annihilate you.
 
@Puppy Well, now imagine everyone in the US was suicidal, and you have your cold war
that's our situation right now
 
I can't really imagine people becoming suicidal on a population basis.
 
Jihadists don't care about dying, they wouldn't doubt on striking back
 
8:20 PM
they don't care about killing themselves.
 
@Puppy Not the people, they are innocent, well, they wouldn't be after the nukes
 
I imagine they care a lot more about causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their own people in a retaliatory nuclear strike.
 
@Puppy But you already stroke, that's what I'm talking about. If you fucking throw the nuke, they won't have anybody to care about
 
eh
one nuke in Raqqa isn't really gonna kill that many people
it would take tens or hundreds to actually wipe out Islamic State
 
@Puppy There are two possibilities, if you throw the nuke, you cause WWIII or win it instantaneously. Either way, you'd have killed a lot of civilians
 
8:24 PM
nah
you could also remind people of why they shouldn't try to start WW3.
I find it hard to believe that it would be considered "winning" it.
let's face it, it's pretty clear that everybody is losing.
it's just a question of who loses how much.
 
@Puppy I'm thankful you aren't chief commander at GB's forces
 
eh
it's just a matter of time and endless civilian deaths in ground wars until it happens.
 
@Puppy How would this stop Syria's war again?
 
The Facebook app reordering the news when it can't connect to the internet in an attempt to... I don't even fucking know what is sooooooooooo fucking annoying.
Seriously, there should be laws against shit like that.
 
@ChemiCalChems Because nobody fights a war knowing that it will result in the absolute annihilation of their side.
 
8:28 PM
@Puppy But Syria is mostly rebels against government
 
uh huh
 
Or you would act as a violent pacifier, like the Forerunners in Halo?
 
that's why you target Raqqa instead of Aleppo
 
Whoever disrupts peace is killed?
 
That and the « top storie instead of most recent by default » also deserves a special place in Hell.
 
8:30 PM
@ChemiCalChems It's the only thing that's ever proven effective for us as a species.
people who disrupt peace and then don't lose in a very big way just disrupt the peace again and again.
 
@Puppy And that's the only thing holding us back from evolving into a species that doesn't require that to happen.
 
even the people who lose in a big but not very big way like basically everybody in WW1 just did the whole thing again.
@ChemiCalChems You mean, apart from the tens or hundreds of thousands of years it takes for evolution to act?
unless we get our genetic engineering shit on, it's not gonna happen any time soon.
 
@Puppy Socially evolving I mean
 
you guys litterarly talked about War for 1 hour...
 
social evolution isn't really reliable
see, for instance, Russia.
 
8:33 PM
@user5600875 at least we didn't watch football or bullshitting news for 1 hour
 
you'd think they'd have learned a lesson after WW1, and WW2, and losing the Cold War, and their economy collapsing, and all the purges, and all that shit.
but nope! time to start a new war in Ukraine because GO RUSSIA IT'S SO GRAET OMG MOTHERLAND
 
Lounge<War>
 
or hell, basically every society after WW1 and WW2.
 
we will get WW3 ladies and gentelmen
 
Lounge<Discussing World Problems because we wish them to stop>
 
8:34 PM
the Europeans and Japanese are really the only people who learned from that
 
im going to assume its going to be
Ethiopa vs America
 
and in Europe it's going pretty backwards right now
 
Russia is one of the only countries still leading territorial wars.
 
@Morwenn US would gladly follow, like they did in WWII after Pearl Harbor
 
8:35 PM
there wont be any war
 
It wasn't Russia, but it's the same principle
 
er
 
@KartikV The war is on already
 
@KartikV you never know...
 
tell that to the guys in Ukraine
seems clear that the US has in fact not followed at all.
 
8:36 PM
@ChemiCalChems Most countries would go for islands, but that's pretty much it.
 
what we should have done is just sent in the tanks right from the start and made it clear what it would cost Putin
 
who undownvoted him back up to 20 rep :v
 
@Puppy If the US is ever attacked, we are all doomed
 
Lol dont you guys think this Puppy should be American General?
 
but instead we did nothing
and he's getting away with it scot free.
so he'll just do it again
 
8:36 PM
War in the current context is like limit pushing to some value
 
and he'll continue to do so until somebody bitchslaps him
 
@user5600875 I'm glad he isn't.
 
Being a war general is so lame and boring
 
or he witnesses somebody else getting bitchslapped hard enough that it would seriously hurt him too
 
its almost there but its hard to actually take the call
 
@Puppy Sounds like a bad replay of Sudetenland.
 
@Morwenn The number of parallels between Putin and Hitler is I think fairly surprising.
he's a moron who wants to restore his country to former glory after losing a war because he's a nationalist shitface without learning any lessons from it, attacks nearby countries with no repercussions, etc.
 
@Puppy hatefulLeaders.push_back(Erdogan);
 
@nwp C'mon, we all know that you can leave NATO without declaring war to anyone nor repression.
 
Who are ukrainans facing again?
 
8:39 PM
@user5600875 Russians
and themselves
 
@Puppy And his communication bureau is pretty. And there are way too many people considering Russia the victim everywhere.
 
Wow there. Russians well rekt Ukrainians
 
@Morwenn Yeah, there's the whole internal political suppression job going on too
not sure if he is actually a dictator or just close to it
 
What's that?
Oh wait.
I read that as « international ».
 
@Puppy btw, it was nice debating with you
 
8:42 PM
@ChemiCalChems why are they figiting them selves?
 
@user5600875 Same ukrainains support Russia
 
@ChemiCalChems You just have a very over-optimistic view of the world that some magic will come along and win the day for the good guys when there is no evidence to suggest any such magic exists.
 
Oh so wow... The ukrainans that support russia must be really dm
dum*
or scared.
 
otherwise I don't feel that we really held different positions
 
@Puppy I still think the humanity is not stupid deep inside, but I'm learning that I'm wrong
@Puppy I certainly would never nuke anyone, but I could see what you were saying, yeah
 
8:44 PM
eh
well just consider what you might do if the aforementioned magic turns out to be as nonexistent as evidence indicates.
 
who the heck will nuke someone?
Your considering to nuke someone? What the fuck?
 
come on dude, I'm not gonna re-discuss the same points for another two hours
 
@Puppy Fucking hell, idk
@user5600875 It's all discussed above.
 
is there any option to change default object model in c++??
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@ChemiCalChems Well, I'm not saying that it's a good idea, but it's at least a suggestion.
 
8:47 PM
@KartikV lol what
 
@Puppy Oh,no doubt. Ground war is another suggestion
 
@KartikV wut
 
@Puppy There's a bit of magic that can happen by itself: if they had some Ebola kind of disease in the country, I don't think Daesh could handle it without international help.
 
But neither are optimal, that's clear.
 
It's not even Cicada :O
 
8:47 PM
To be honest, it's probably even worse than a nuke.
 
yeah
I wouldn't want that because nukes at least have a definitive end life and are limited to a certain geographical area.
 
nwp
here is a suggestion: stop dropping bombs on syria, maybe they will run out of people who have nothing to lose to suicide attack you
 
North Korea has the same problem: they go apeshit crazy and try to totally close the country everytime a new disease is declared in the region.
 
@ChemiCalChems ? .... i cant even speak
 
@user5600875 We were discussing options to end this, and there is no optimal solution, problem?
@Morwenn like the country isn't already closed
 
8:49 PM
Wait nevermind
i thought you said you will nuke someone
i misread lol
 
@user5600875 That's @Puppy, and he was just making a suggestion
 
@ChemiCalChems The country trades stuff with China and Russia.
 
I would
 
What the fuck. is this dude high?
 
frankly I don't really hear any better ideas
 
8:50 PM
@KartikV starred for shame
 
just people whining about civilian casualties that are probably dead anyway
 
well he seems preety high
@Puppy before you say "You want to nuke someone"
think about this
"About if someone nukes you"
 
I probably wouldn't mind all that much
after all I'd likely be dead in a very short time and would have little time to care
 
Guys
Aren't you forced to order your constructor initializer list of subobject in the same order as the member subobject declarations?
 
Lol Right
 
Ell
8:55 PM
@LucDanton the categorical imperative is what I know of Kant
 
nope
 
The compiler gives you a warning, but I recall something about it being in the standard as well
 
they are called in that order regardless of their position in the list.
 
Ell
It makes a lot of sense to me, and is basically "do unto others what you want done unto yourself" or w/e
 
@Shoe if you have them in a different order in the constructor, it doesn't matter
 
they're still called in the order they are listed in the declaration of a class
 
@Puppy Well, if you're only in the « half-burnt alive » area, it's another problem.
 
I see thanks
 
Ell
When you do an action you establish a precedent that you would be happy with others doing that action unto you
And same with the inverse
That's how I understand it
 
@Morwenn Yeah that would suck quite a lot.
 
8:57 PM
that's a warning because it's potentially confusing
 
Ell
By establishing the precedent you are stating "it is moral for everybody/anybody to do this"
 
and gcc's developers decided this could be a helpful warning
just like "misleading indentation in your if statement"
 
Guys is noexcept for when you know a function isnt gonna throw a exception? And it will improve speed?
 
It helps to know which subobject is already initialized, and thus which one you can use to initialize another subobject.
 
Hmm, can you friend int main?
 
9:00 PM
certainly.
 
Nice, didn't know that.
 
Is that a bug?
There is only one order, and that is the order they appear in the class?
 
yes.
that's how it is, how it's defined, how every compiler implements it, and how it must be.
that's why the compiler issues a warning (if it's not shit) for the written order not matching the definition order.
 
Also, it used to be bug in MSVC :-)
Yeah, looks like a frequent problem:
 
9:07 PM
that's... a different initializer list
 
yeah I know
 
@user5600875 Yes, and yes it can, at least in theory. It doesn't usually improve the speed of what's marked noexcept, but it can improve the speed of other code that uses it.
 
Batushka sounds good.
 
@JerryCoffin Can fundamentally allow other algorithms, e.g. move constructor for a move-only object in a vector.
 
Ven
9:23 PM
I havn't received any doc-related rep in the last few hours
pls fix bug CockBlock
 
@Puppy still codementoring
you wouldn't believe
 
@Bassie hmmm?
 
lol
 
Cinder is the worst crap
or maybe it's OSX actually
 
good afternoon guys :)
 
9:30 PM
but std::this_thread::yield managed to hog the whole CPU on OSX
the profiler actually showed that kernel yield/switch was consuming 100% of CPU time
sleep(very_little) solved it
:psyduck:
 
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Q: Protecting solar panels from kids who may throw stones to get monkeys off roof

gansubI have read this question - Solar panels and hail and my question is similar. I have the possibility that neighboring kids may throw stones at my roof top solar panels to scare off monkeys which are a local pest. What protection measures I can take as I do not think my insurance will cover that...

 
@BartekBanachewicz In a choice between OSX and almost anything else, OSX is almost certain to be the culprit.
 
^^ Seems like the polycarbonate solution or bullet-proof glass hasn't considered the possibility of the monkeys shitting on the roof.
 
AFAIR Mac OS X does a weird thing with threads
 
@Mysticial Route a little power from the panels to an inverter that electrocutes anything that gets within 10 feet of the panel.
 
9:37 PM
@JerryCoffin It also solves the monkey population problem too. That's smart.
 
Hmm, has anyone here ever used docker?
 
That's our Jerry: 20 seconds to solve a problem :3
 
what an electrifying solution
I'm sorry I had to
 
My beer is empty.
I want another one.
My heart is empty.
 
my resistance has never been high
 
9:41 PM
I guess I'll take another beer.
 
unlike my current :D
 
Flat puns all the way D:
 
Ven
@Morwenn want another one? :o
 
@Ven Bah, that'll do.
 
Ven
play more flute :P
actually i really liked your flute
 
9:47 PM
I'm supposed to record tomorrow and I don't even know the parts .____.
Thanks :p
 
Ven
30s were enough to make me realize i actually like the sound of flute
 
To be honest, it's not a sound I really enjoy ^^'
 
Ven
yeah i remember you telling me
 
Not sure why.
 
Ven
too much of it?
 
9:50 PM
No, I spend most of my time not playing it and I almost never listen to music with recorder in it.
I even enjoy a few songs with recorder. Mostly from Rhapsody.
> This is atmospheric DEPRESSIVE post black metal, totally different
lulz
 
CNN coverage is atrocious. I can't even.
Watching other news sources it resembles a non-terrorist shooter. Very similar to what NL had in 2011 perhaps
On 9 April 2011, six people were killed by a gunman who entered the Ridderhof mall in Alphen aan den Rijn, Netherlands, a town approximately 33 kilometres (21 mi) south-west of Amsterdam. Using a rifle, 24-year-old Tristan van der Vlis shot several people and then killed himself, reportedly with a different firearm. There were seven deaths, including the killer, and 17 wounded, making it the deadliest assault attack in the Netherlands since the 2009 attack on the Dutch Royal Family. == Shooting == Van der Vlis, wearing a bulletproof vest and armed with a semi-automatic Smith & Wesson M&P15-22,...
 
Xeo
Oh, that was just the first source I found when I looked for it.
I checked the reddit livethread afterwards
 
Ven
@sehe I've heard it wasn't a terrorist attack several times
 

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