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11:01 PM
yeah, it is
> C++ deliberately specifies that binding a temporary object to a reference to const on the stack lengthens the lifetime of the temporary to the lifetime of the reference itself, and thus avoids what would otherwise be a common dangling-reference error.
@Rapptz that works
I should read about that too
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Though at that point, just take it by value
 
Ell
@LucDanton I still feel like multi methods could cope with this. gimme a sec
actually, make that a couple of hours or more, I'll get back to you eventually :)
 
k I’ll show you pattern guards and view patterns and patterns after that then!
 
Xeo
@Ell See you in 5 years.
@LucDanton ew, view patterns!
 
11:05 PM
@Xeo That’s where you are wrong.
 
alright guys
give puppy shaving tips.
 
Xeo
they look so weird though
@Puppy Not.
 
he is sick of having a beard, but cheesegrating his face to get an acceptable result is also not good.
 
Xeo
Get a beard trimmer, and just trim it to minimum or something
 
nah
if I'm gonna cheesegrate my face, I'm at least gonna get a smooth face as the output.
 
11:07 PM
I use a safety razor, which I find nicer than either electric or disposable blade razors.
 
@Puppy hitler mustache
 
Ell
I use a safety razor also
 
user1646075
@rightføld nice comment: "The power of American engineering. This is what happens when you run out of Nazi scientists to exploit. #topkek"
 
Ell
but it's not really that safety with my face
 
what the fuck
 
11:08 PM
I only shave when my parents come to visit and I want something from them
 
there's nothing safe about a fucking razor
 
they don't like seeing me with hair all over my face
I don't mind it that much
 
Ell
@nightcracker they're significantly safer than non safety razors
 
but it's a beardless family
so I'm the odd one
 
Ell
My facial hair always looks gross
 
11:09 PM
@nightcracker There is if it's properly enclosed in plastic.
 
Ell
like now
I haven't shaved and it looks terrible
 
honestly, I significantly prefer the shaved both look and feel.
except for the actual shaving, which seems to primarily involve a cheesegrater.
and having to shave regularly effectively means having a permanently cheesegrated face, which I am even less happy with than having a beard/moustache.
 
you could just go with a trimmed beard
 
results not worth effort
 
Ell
@Puppy me too
but effort
and bleeding
and scarring
 
11:12 PM
jesus christ you guys what do you use to shave
I never have any accidents :\
 
Ell
@AlexM. my face is covered in spots
it doesn't matter what I use
 
and I use random disposable gillettes
 
I don't cut myself that much
but the skin is still very red and sore afterwards.
 
huh, I guess I should be grateful for it
no bleeding, and my skin doesn't feel weird even if I don't use aftershave
 
Ell
I use a wilkinsons sword hydro 5
 
11:14 PM
that sounds expensive
 
well
previously I never found aftershave or shaving cream to have any meaningful effect.
 
even disposable BIC razors work for me lol
 
but then I wasn't gonna shave regularly anyway previously so perhaps I should give them a try.
 
Ell
@AlexM. not really
 
user1646075
Don't press so hard. Don't press at all. One slow stroke. Rinse very often - the trapped stubble is the worst culprit for damage.
 
Ell
11:15 PM
^this wrt rinsing
 
user1646075
See also Clearasil
 
hmm
 
my grandpa had his own shaving thingy with replaceable razors
like this but older
 
the issue here is that the hot water tap in my current location is hotter than I can stand it.
 
That’s a safety razor.
 
11:15 PM
and it doesn't go colder.
 
@LucDanton really?
 
Yup.
 
I thought it's how old razors are
 
Xeo
@Puppy That sounds wrong
 
[perhaps though now that I'm not shaving off a pound of hair, it would be easier to just fill the bowl with my preferred temperature.
 
user1646075
11:16 PM
I asked my hairdresser about whether I'd get a better result with the old-fashioned cut-throat razors that he seemed to handle like a freakin' butter knife. He went pale and suggested I don't try.
 
@AlexM. Perhaps you had straight razors in mind?
 
Ell
@AlexM. old razors are just plain
^this is a non safety razor
just an exposed blade
 
^ungay razor
 
user1646075
but insanely sharp and effective in the right hands. Right Hands.
 
ok, so his was a safety razor
 
user1646075
11:17 PM
fucknoze how grandpaw's all survived
 
I shave with this stuff because I'm cheap
 
@AlexM. It’s actually fairly expensive.
It’s all relative of course.
 
@AlexM. Mine's not dissimilar but it has 3 blades.
 
Xeo
If I ever actually shave clean, I pre-shave with my beard trimmer to minimum length, and then go over it with a disposable razor (5-bladed, though).
 
anyway, I'm perfectly happy to invest, really, I just want to be able to shave without destroying my skin.
 
Xeo
11:20 PM
Otherwise, my beard's just way too thick for a direct shave with the disposable one
 
the whole point of shaving is to be able to appreciate my nice smooth white skin.
 
Ell
razor blades are frickin expensive
 
perhaps as next step I can simply find aftershave and shaving cream.
 
user1646075
I tried the new Mach 3 recently, which is being saturation0advertised at the moment as guaranteed not to cause redness. I found it to be distinctly better than I remember, and I remember them being good in the first place. If I rinsed and was gentle...
 
I have a rechargeable Philips. I find the rotary cutters better than the reciprocating, linear ones.
 
11:21 PM
in what situations does auto f() { ... } differ from declspec(auto) f() { ... }
 
@Ell For disposable/cartridge razors that is.
 
then maybe I'll just buy an expensive razor :P
 
@LucDanton it's much cheaper than buying one of those big razors with replaceable heads, or so I think
 
Also, the reciprocating shavers make my hand numb:(
 
Xeo
@nightcracker Whenever you (potentially) return a reference or cv-qualified type?
 
Ell
11:22 PM
@LucDanton yeah I have a cartridge razor
 
user1646075
@Puppy you get what you pay for in the disposables... sadly for the pocket.
 
Ell
what do you do with non disposable razor blades? sharpen them?
 
this is probably the cheapest razor I've ever used to shave (bic)
 
yeah that shit is super cheap.
 
@Puppy When it comes to safety razor, they’re essentially a big metallic handle. I doubt money can give you anything else than aesthetics. Disposable/cartridge razors I have no clue.
 
user1646075
11:22 PM
facial carnage
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Those just can't handle my beard
 
@Ell Wait, so not a safety razor?
 
I've never liked wet shavers. They're too difficult to use in traffic jams or at lights. The foam gets all over she seats and my hand slips on the controls.
 
@Xeo I noticed it was harder to cut through the hair with it too
 
@Ell Right, I really needed to correct my terminology. The blades are disposable for a safety-razor. And just the blades, they don’t come in a cartridge or anything.
 
Ell
11:23 PM
@LucDanton no wait
I'm getting confused.
I have a safety razor and the blades are expensive
 
user1646075
"safety" was given to having an enclosed blade. I think that first thing Alex posted qualifies as a safety.
 
user1646075
enclosed ends, and very limited possible depth of penetration
 
right.
so I'll try shaving cream/aftershave first, then maybe see about a somewhat more expensive razor.
 
@Ell I’m seeing 100 blades for 2.30 GBP without really looking around on Amazon, does that count as expensive?
 
so far I guess I thought that all the branded razors were more expensive for nothing.
 
user1646075
11:24 PM
so called safety as the new-fangled alternative to the old cut-throat ones
 
but I never actually tried them
 
Xeo
@Puppy Wait, you didn't use shaving cream/foam before?
 
Ell
@LucDanton I'll show you what I buy
 
10 mins ago, by Puppy
previously I never found aftershave or shaving cream to have any meaningful effect.
 
Ell
I think I'm mixing terms up
 
Xeo
11:25 PM
@Puppy Eh.
 
@aclarke Yeah. If I have to go non-cartridge/non-disposable it’s going to be a mouthful :(
 
Xeo
Shaving my beard clean without shaving cream... ugh
that's just no-go
 
It was a good question, too. Straight razor, since nothing is disposable about them, you have to strop and sharpen from time to time!
 
user1646075
also - after a hot shower (softens the shizzle). Those old fashioned brushes also really help to ... stimulate something as you fluff up the cream, and make it more effective
 
Ell
11:25 PM
to me that is 4 blades. but I'm obviously incorrect :P
@Xeo I never use shaving cream/foam
never have done
 
@Ell Cartridge. The razors I had in mind were like the previous picture.
 
user1646075
@Puppy do it right and it'll lubricate the slide. That's all it's about.
 
@aclarke +1
 
The big tell is how the head relates to the handle: scroll up and you’ll see that the blade mounts perpendicular to the handle.
 
I only shave after showering
much more comfy
 
Ell
11:26 PM
@LucDanton yeah
it looks odd
does it still pivot?
 
Hello newfriends.
I'm bored.
 
I'm trying to make my C as C as possible #define SENT_OK 0
 
@Puppy I switched to a non-cartridge razor to get into the whole soap that you brush up into a foam routine. I think it’s the part that makes the whole process comfortable, at least for me.
@Ell Nope.
 
or at least that's how I think C is supposed to be like
 
Use an enum you noob.
 
user1646075
11:28 PM
Looks like the lounge participants have shifted to the communal bathroom to swap shaving advice.
 
@Rapptz do C programmers use enums?
 
Yes.
 
user1646075
@AlexM. yes!
 
hmm
 
user1646075
they're abstract! :->>
 
Ell
11:28 PM
@aclarke I'm just waiting until someone asks about shaving or waxing the nether region
 
user1646075
high-level
 
user1646075
@Ell don't go there...
 
user1646075
or asks about tampons
 
@Ell oo, looked at the wrong product actually—more like 17 GBP for 500 blades.
 
Ell
@LucDanton is this for non disposable/cartridge safety razor blades? (ie the kind you posted)
 
11:31 PM
Yes.
 
Ell
do you use just one blade at a time?
 
right.
so shaving cream/aftershave, any recommendations?
 
@Ell Yes. It can also last several shave/mornings, depending on preferences.
 
@Puppy I use Nivea products when I do
 
@Puppy I don’t like the alcohol-based aftershaves, leaves me too dry. I use an alum-based one.
 
11:33 PM
I usually tend to avoid alcohol-based products, though I once had this weird aftershave lotion from Gillette which I think was alcohol based
 
And I don’t like mentol in general.
 
I'm not sure if the pain it caused was because of that
but after a while the sensation was really refreshing
 
alcohol-free Nivea it is.
 
user1646075
@Puppy In the last year or so I've used a brush with a kind of old-school soap-stick. I wet the face, scrape the stick across to leave a bit of crap, then fluff it up with the brush
 
user1646075
it's an oily soap and it does a good job. Simple.
 
11:34 PM
Also fun!
 
I miss that painful aftershave now
 
user1646075
an alcohol-based aftershave is just a crude kind of disinfectant. If you don't do damage, that's less of an issue
 
I never felt like washing it off after an hour or two
 
Ell
aren't most aftershaves/colognes and perfumes alcohol based?
 
my current aftershave is some soft Nivea stuff
it doesn't hurt, does its job I guess, but it does stick to the skin a bit too much
have to wash it off after an hour or two
 
11:36 PM
@Ell Aftershaves, I would guess yes. Perfumes, overwhelmingly yes.
 
Ell
what does aftershave mean to you?
To me aftershave is perfume for men
 
@aclarke I've yet to reach the badassery of my grandpa, who'd use medicinal alcohol as disinfectant after shaving :D
 
user1646075
the alcohol may also be astringent - ie make the skin go - "oh shit - TIGHT!"
 
user1646075
ooo-err that is hard core.
 
^ aftershave
 
11:37 PM
@AlexM. …I think that if you need disinfecting after every shave, you’re probably doing it wrong!
 
unless you shave daily, it can't be a replacement for perfume
 
Ell
@AlexM. I disinfect with alcohol every night after washing my face :3
 
lol
 
user1646075
Do you get Solvol, or is that an aussie product? I used it in the shower for a long time! Chicks pay big money for grainy soaps that exfoliate. This costs much less. And of course you smell like a bloke.
 
I saw "Brut Deodorant" and I instantly read "Butt Deodorant"
 
user1646075
11:38 PM
 
plastic micrograins destroy the environment
 
user1646075
wonder what the grains are. Probably concrete dust.
 
I'm too lazy to use soap :\
I use shampoo everywhere
 
plastic.
they're plastic.
I need some soap, I took some from the bathroom at home and it was nearly worn out.
 
user1646075
surely not 70 years ago when this stuff was first made. Really?
 
user1646075
11:40 PM
100 years! reading now...
 
this is probably the 15th year since I last used soap and shampoo separately
 
user1646075
pumice.
 
user1646075
i think the env. is full of that shit.
 
@aclarke Oh, of course.
 
@aclarke I doubt they use the exact same formula.
 
user1646075
11:41 PM
this makes it sound like an aussie invention. Probably co-invented across the world at similar times I'd expect: wd40.com.au/solvol_products
 
so do you guys use plain soap on your face (aside from shaving)?
 
I was really glad when I saw this "nivea for men" product, which was supposed to be a shampoo and shower gel all in one
it was a lousy shampoo though
didn't use it much
 
conditioner.
that's what Puppy needs.
 
> It was also used in ancient Greek and Roman times to remove excess hair.
 
user1646075
@Puppy yeah - but only on the hairy/smelly bits. Also I've used a thing called Palmolive gold which promises to be like a deoderant soap. I rarely need deoderant and I never smell rank.
 
11:42 PM
sez wiki
 
I don't usually wash my face with anything other than water, unless I'm in the shower
 
ditto for soap—carefully.
 
worth noting that I wash it with water a shitload of times a day
 
Ell
@Puppy I use regular liquid soap on my face. plus alcohol but my face is p fucked
 
I have a very fat skin, and it gets oily fast >.>
same applies to the hair obviously, I have to wash it at least once every three days
 
Ell
11:44 PM
I wash my hair daily with shampoo
 
user1646075
TIL I carnt spel deodorant.
 
daily showers are bad.
they damage the skin.
 
I wish I was able to stop the skin from being so oily :(
 
I think that my current rate is every other day.
 
it's really really annoying
 
Ell
11:45 PM
@Puppy I'd rather not smell
 
like, if it's winter, and I don't wash my hair in 3 days
 
Ell
my skin seems to be able to take it
 
the thing freezes
I'm fucking serious
 
@Ell I'd rather not have damaged skin. Just apply deodorant on the 2nd day or something.
 
the oil thing glues the hair together and it freezes
it becomes solid
 
11:45 PM
right, so any recommendations for conditioners?
 
user1646075
There's a mad scientist type guy on australian youth radio, he tells everyone as often as he can that you should only use sorbeline/glycerol and only on the face and hairy/smelly bits. Apart from teh product, that made me change to directly soaping much less skin.
 
there's a bunch of products here but nothing to particularly tell them apart.
 
> Hair conditioner is a hair care product that changes the texture and appearance of hair.
wait, why do you need that?
 
because
I want my original fucking hair colour back.
not this dark kinda-brown-kinda-orange crap.
 
@AlexM. ‘Need’ might be a strong word here.
 
11:48 PM
used to be that if I stood in the sun, my hair looked like it was on fire.
 
um, I'd probably choose something like Garnier for conditioners
 
that shit was good.
 
or something from those companies that make hair dyes
 
user1646075
Oh Hi @Borgleader, We're jussht discushhing shkin care.
 
l'Oreal
or something like that
 
user1646075
11:52 PM
F'real
 
all these men in commercials look so happy while taking their shower
I can't get myself past the usual straight face while taking my showers
 
user1646075
that's because they're not showing their girlfriends who are in there with them.
 
lol
 
user1646075
they're out of shot.
 
user1646075
I grimace.
 
11:53 PM
@aclarke Whats wrong with my skin D:
 
candy corn is simultaneously delicious and disgusting, just like mead
 
user1646075
@Borgleader Share your skincare worries with us.
 
I never tried mead
I'm not a dwarf
 
Xeo
It's great
 
I'm more into elven wines
from what I understand mead is made with honey?
 
user1646075
11:57 PM
@AlexM. mead is good on a cold winters day, nuked to hot-milk temp.
 
so I guess it's a really sweet kind of beer?
 
user1646075
@AlexM. yup - and it's a really slow ferment
 
Ell
showering with a partner is a little awkward when it comes to actually cleaning onesself
 
but it's great from an economical POV
you save money
 
user1646075
@Ell yeah, you somehow end up messier and stickier than ever.
 
11:58 PM
mead is honey wine, it's pretty heavy and taste better warmed
 
Xeo
@AlexM. What
beer?
Mead is honey-wine
 
user1646075
all honey afaik
 
user1646075
wiki!
 
honey-wine, not honey-beer
got it
 
Ell
@aclarke more like, try washing your balls in a dignified manner :P
 
Xeo
11:59 PM
It's called 'honey-wine', but has no normal wine in it
 
inb4 aclarke says it's not you who's supposed to wash your balls
 
user1646075
@Ell if you're with a partner, why are you washing your own balls
 
Xeo
it's just mead, water, sugar, bacteria n stuff
 
lol
 
user1646075
@AlexM. DAMN!
 

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