« first day (1473 days earlier)      last day (3492 days later) » 

Even upstart and systemd still keep the concept of runlevels around
So I'm not sure where did you get "banished a few years ago" from
 
Well, yeah, I just thought systemd replaced them with non-number-centric concepts of what it is you actually want to do.
 
I'm on edge wrt systemd
 
Meh - there's not all that much you can do with 'Istanbul':(
 
But I may just be completely ignorant about runlevels since Arch doesn't need "telinit 3" for a system upgrade anymore.
 
3:03 PM
Might try runit for this cluster instead of Debian's init dunno
Arch sucks
 
lol
 
3:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice, well done! Also, your font sucks ;0
 
Is the joke that he has left that to the browser to decide?
 
@martinfernandes blah blah blah nonsense blah blah blah
@thecoshman dafuq?
 
someone's been drinking
much
 
user1804599
I agree with the pirate here.
 
I got an invitation to an interview
from a company I haven't even contacted.
 
3:35 PM
C++: from C with classes to C with impossible grammar and classes
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Tell them they can suck your cock, because they technically can.
 
every time such a thing happen to me I firstly, often inaccurately, regard it as spam
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's common
 
@rightføld you ain't mad at me because I told you you suck, right?
 
user1804599
what
 
user1804599
3:36 PM
when did you say that?
 
okay. just checking.
 
when he was right ;0
 
user1804599
I'm only mad at you because you are a human, and humans suck.
 
@BartoszKP I really need a new job; I just got told how much will my last paycheck be. Or how much it won't be.
 
You are a corporate slave now and forever
Time to go work for IBM
 
3:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, I meant - it doesn't necessarily mean it's scam/spam whatever - should be easy to verify before you reply
 
4GB RAM is so not enough to work with VMs
consul01 provisioned :toot:
 
@BartoszKP it seemed legit
@CatPlusPlus whatever. money.
 
You have no soul left
rip
 
nonsense.
I just don't feel obliged to be extremely soulful at work
 
Dammit forgot to add the role to top
 
3:42 PM
`:: Starting full system upgrade...`
` there is nothing to do`

meh, now what? I only do upgrades when **I** have nothing to do, and now I can't do nothing because there's nothing to do?
 
Replace Arch with a saner distro
There'll be plenty to do!
 
39 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Arch sucks
damn, he beat me to it.
 
Is it good or bad that I can tell the distribution by part of package manager log
 
@CatPlusPlus I like Arch.
@CatPlusPlus it's normal, a user who can't obviously haven't tried (or worked) with more than one pkgm
 
After landing on earth, just google about cloning and learn how to do that. I hope as they are intelligent people they can make some clones of themselves within some months. — MoonMind 6 hours ago
Wow, just wow.
@BartekBanachewicz Old news: dailytech.com/…
 
@rubenvb Er. Yeah, they can even make non-clones in little over nine months. It doesn't even need as much googling to figure out.
 
@rubenvb except you can actually put any desktop GPU in what Dell made
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, ok, but the basic tech is not new.
still, why would you game on a laptop.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I've had nothing but trouble with it
Not worth it
 
3:50 PM
@rubenvb to not buy another desktop PC?
 
Buy a new GPU for your current desktop PC?
 
if Thunderbolt was common enough and such GPU docks were actually usable, for most use cases mobile CPUs/RAM/disks are fast enough
@CatPlusPlus that implies you had a desktop in the first place
 
@CatPlusPlus mostly trouble comes out of blindly doing pacman -Syu
 
@BartekBanachewicz you said "another", it also implied that
 
I mean, in benchmarks, my desktop i7 is about 3 times more powerful than my laptop's i7
 
3:51 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp lol
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Which is why it sucks.
 
but I'm not sure how this translates to actual performance
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is why you shouldn't use if it that's the functionality you're looking for
 
the disks are about the same speed, RAM is appropriately slower on the laptop, but not that much
 
3:52 PM
What's the functionality it provides, then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you better be laughing out loud.
 
all in all, if I had an external GPU instead of my desktop, I prolly wouldn't mind
 
PacMan: ruining fun since 1980
 
> Bartosz, thanks for your prompt response. Sounds good.

Let me put you in touch with my colleague, our VP Operations, Marcin and he'll be able to agree on details when and where to meet you. Hopefully you guys can meet soon, potentially even this week.

Could you please send me your email and I'll send email right away.

Thanks,
Anton
taadaa.
 
3:53 PM
package manager <-> full system management tool
 
"-Syu: update the system; or break it"
 
Best features.
 
Xeo
ugh, this code is so terrible...
 
Use a rolling release distro, but don't look into 'updates' as provided functionality
 
3:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure what @rubenvb is implying with what he wrote, but if I interpret it correctly I agree; it's a package manager, not a tool for managing your entire system.
 
Yes, it's a package manager that breaks packages on update.
Not a tool for managing the entire system.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "ok"
 
@Xeo s/this//
 
I'll continue using arch, you will continue using.. whatever it is that you are using. happy? happy.
 
3:55 PM
Somehow other package managers manage to provide "update" functionality and to miss out on "update or break" functionality.
@FilipRoséen-refp I don't see how that would make me stop mentioning pacman's flaws.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes most with a completely different philosophy on how to do things.
 
No no package manager is not a tool to manage the state of packages on your system
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes please, go ahead.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Yeah, the root failure may be deeper.
 
who is primadonna insulted because someone insults technology he/she likes today?
 
3:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "ok".
 
aha it's Filip
 
@BartekBanachewicz it is, of course.. you should have picked up on my signature traits by now!
 
It is true that most others don't have a philosophy of issuing breaking updates every six months.
 
Most others don't provide the latest versions of packages within a week.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is this about? Did you get hired as minion for codementor?
 
3:58 PM
Note the difference between a rolling release and ... not a rolling release.
 
I have never "broken" my Arch installs.
 
And yet some do.
 
Some even break their Ubuntu installs.
So I don't see what point you're trying to make. Abuse something, and it will break.
 
@rightføld You don't know that. They might have a severe respiratory condition? Also, if it's a trade institute, they can't
 
3:59 PM
@rubenvb agreed.
 
And can we please leave this discussion? It's quite senseless.
 
@sehe Bartek is going to be a night club dancer, but doesn't realize it yet ;0
 
template<class T, class = typename std::enable_if<std::is_integral<T> {}>::type>
using Integral_t = T;

template<class T>
void func (Integral_t<T> value)
{
  // ...
}
^ oh my gawd, concepts with nicer syntax! (valid c++14, unspecified behavior in c++11 because of a missing paragraph)
 
@rubenvb The Arch web site lists those events.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, and exactly what you must do to mitigate borking your system. That's called RTFFP.
Read The Fucking Front Page.
 
4:01 PM
Yes. Somehow other systems manage to do without that.
The package manager doesn't have to be human powered.
 
1 min ago, by rubenvb
And can we please leave this discussion? It's quite senseless.
 
> Claims that the entire field of climate science is some kind of giant hoax do not hold water, and we have made a conscious decision that we are not going to take that point of view seriously
lol, new NYT editor.
 
Xeo
I wish FlashDevelop had "step into specific"
Actually, I wish FlashDevelop had many things :<
 
Why are you still working on that?
 
Xeo
I'm not working much with it, currently
 
4:10 PM
lol
 
Xeo
But if I implement a feature on the server, I have to do some stuff on the client at least, and check that everything is correct
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Context? Link?
 
Where the fuck did the semicolon come from?
 
lol
it only just appeared, initially it wasn't there ;0
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes NSA? :)
 
4:16 PM
NSA is putting random semicolons in robot's code, hoping to syntax error him out
 
lol
I knew chat was defective, but this is a new level :0
 
"I know, I'll use regex and C++". Now you have three problems. — Robert Harvey ♦ 2 mins ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe it is broken SO chat code in combination with the dangling & in the URL?
Yeah.
 
you've ruined all the fun
 
4:19 PM
Well, it is the dangling &.
 
meh&
I wonder if you can hack the SE this way
 
Xeo
Argh
 
Somebody report the bug quick before @AlexM. breaks the whole site!
 
Xeo
this code
 
4:20 PM
@VáclavZeman hey bb u wanna see my dangling &
 
Xeo
so fucking broken
and annoying
AAAAAAAAH
 
@Cicada :D
@Xeo Take a break...breathe.
 
Xeo
At first I thought implementing this feature would be easy
 
now idea if there are any Sam & Max fans here, but the original Hit the Road is now avaialble on gog.com gog.com/game/sam_max_hit_the_road
 
Xeo
Now it's starting to look like I'll have to refactor basically everything, which sounds just wrong.
 
4:22 PM
@Xeo proxies, wrappers, and facades are your friends
 
lol, this flat ad title. "BRIGHT, SPACIOUS and CLOSE TO EVERYTHING"
 
you need to contain the disease
 
Xeo
@BartoszKP None of those will help against the brokenness of two-phase init
 
lol @ boost::ublas
 
@Mysticial you probably already saw this... or already knew all of this: software.intel.com/en-us/articles/…
 
4:28 PM
@Xeo even fixing the second phase first? well, I don't know what I'm talking about exactly, so maybe just accept my sincere condolences instead ;)
 
Robot's brief history of C++ was posted on /r/cpp.
 
4:57 PM
<3
 
I'm playing this random racing game on miniclip.com
shit's fun though
 
good idea actually, dumb people understand pictures better than words :0
even if these are still words, but in the picture!
 
does anyone know a proper implementation of C++14's std::integer_sequence and co?
 
huh
how does char myarray[64]; become invalid? Ie writing to it throws an exception?
 
What exception?
 
5:08 PM
well, a memcpy to it, ends with a an access violation
 
SSSCE?
 
@TonyTheLion You're probably copying too much, or the culprit is the source.
Or both.
 
Or perhaps you overflow your stack but it doesn't get detected until writing to it?
 
hmmm
yea, could be any of those things
it reads from a large file
and fills a bunch of things
using a bunch of memcpy's
its all C, eeek
 
Tony The C programmer
 
5:12 PM
lol
 
7 mins ago, by nightcracker
does anyone know a proper implementation of C++14's std::integer_sequence and co?
 
@TonyTheLion the only rule here is based on laws of physics: whatever fucked your program up must've happened before ;v
@nightcracker I wanted this recently, but gave up after 2-3 hours of googling ;u
 
@BartoszKP depends if you go into quantum computing
@BartoszKP then you're truly fucked
I went to a concert last weekend, was pretty good:
 
is there any way to convert a sillhouette into an SVG?
 
@nightcracker ? ;0 because I was googling for it, or because I did it only 2-3 hours?
 
5:14 PM
@BartoszKP Not really.
UB can easily strike into the past.
 
@BartoszKP I was referring to the law of physics -> quantum computing
 
@nightcracker ah, all right
@R.MartinhoFernandes :0 how would you observe it, if it's in the past?
 
You observe it now, but what fucked the program might not have been executed yet.
It's all about what the optimiser will do.
 
@nightcracker what do you mean by "proper" implementation?
 
Some people think the optimiser don't, but it do.
@FilipRoséen-refp one that conforms to the spec?
 
5:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes if it hasn't happened yet, it can't fuck up your program :| If optimizer did something, it perhaps moved it earlier?
 
@BartoszKP No. It might have decided to remove stuff, or move it forward.
 
I don't really feel like writing one, you'll always forget some std::decay somewhere or something subtle that could potentially bite you very very hard once the behaviour is not what you expect deep down in your project
 
There's probably an implementation in the paper.
 
Does the paper include revisions/is guaranteed to be what ended up in the spec?
 
@BartoszKP The thing that fucks up the program doesn't have to run at all for the program to be fucked.
 
5:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you just think something didn't happen yet, but it did. We probably define "something happened at time t" differently, because I really don't believe you believe C++ optimizers can bend rules regarding the arrow of time ;)
 
It just needs to be there.
 
@nightcracker I can write such implementation for you.. are you only interested in make_integer_sequence and integer_sequence?
 
80
Q: Why does integer overflow on x86 with GCC cause an infinite loop?

MysticialThe following code goes into an infinite loop on GCC: #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main(){ int i = 0x10000000; int c = 0; do{ c++; i += i; cout << i << endl; }while (i > 0); cout << c << endl; return 0; } So here's the deal: Si...

No integer ever overflowed in the execution of that program.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so, you mean it will influence something, that after being compiled will execute earlier
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I appreciate the effort, but please use your time better than on me ;)
 
5:22 PM
Yet, because of integer overflow (which, again, never actually happens), the program behaves in a fucked up manner.
@BartoszKP Or not at all.
 
@nightcracker it's a matter of minutes, hold up
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Let me repeat: we're talking about different things. I refer to what was actually created by the compiler and runs, not to lines of code programmer assumes will execute in the order they wrote them
 
@FilipRoséen-refp en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/integer_sequence + helper templates on that page
 
@BartoszKP There doesn't need to be a compiler.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes either way, the consequence is preceded by the cause :)
 
5:26 PM
From the point of view of a C++ program, UB can totally travel back in time and form closed loops where it never happens.
 
But not from the point of what is actually happening
 
@nightcracker all I need is the standard, give me a minute
 
I guess the fact I've got no callstack by the time it gets to throw the exception means something
 
@TonyTheLion stack overflow?
 
Totally stack overflow.
 
5:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol chat is very well coded
 
Maybe they need to append a semicolon so their shitty regexes will detect the URL properly
I'm eating another monad
 
silly goat, monads are not for consumption
 
wait, since when is cat a goat
 
when he says monad he means burrito
 
5:42 PM
@nightcracker sorry, I'm currently speaking to my girl as I'm writing this; but here's an ugly (but working) implementation: coliru
 
hello everyone
i want to learn c++
 
famous last words
 
i want to learn it by making some application , which one should i make to learn core c++
any suggestion?
 
An AAA game
 
5:45 PM
preferably MMORPG
 
@BhawinParkeria first assignment? hmm.. maybe you should implement a compiler; you will touch on every corner of the language, as well as having to dig around in the standard. just as everyone lost their virginity at 12, everyone is working on a compiler, all the time, EVERY DAY.
 
concentrate on the massive bit, you have to support millions of players
 
C++ is very fun to write compilers in
C++ is very fun to write in
 
Gee, don't write a compiler.
FFS.
 
What is the hip standard hello world thing these days anyway
 
5:47 PM
i think compiler is hard one for a beginner
 
Some time ago it was blogs
 
user1804599
@BhawinParkeria hangman.
 
user1804599
For bonus points, do it without pointers.
 
@BhawinParkeria print user's name backwards
 
Hmmm, maybe I should go home and work on them slides.
 
user1804599
5:50 PM
Coool.
 
user1804599
A clown walked around with an axe in Nieuwegein.
 
@BhawinParkeria depends if you know much about programming in general
 
user1804599
Writing a Brainfuck compiler is fairly easy in many languages.
 
yeah, bash the keyboard until something compiles, noone can tell the difference right?
 
@OMGtechy , i know oops and pointers
i learnt oops while learning php
 
user1804599
5:55 PM
Writing An optimising Brainfuck compiler sounds fun.
 
oops, haha
what on earth is oops?
 
user1804599
@BhawinParkeria forget about those before you start learning C++.
 
like when you make a program that accidentally works?
 
user1804599
@OMGtechy HotSpot JVM's source has object-model-related source files in a folder called "oops."
 
Never heard of it, but thanks :)
 
5:56 PM
@rightføld , i will surely do , i know c++ is totally different .
 
@BhawinParkeria write a program that checks for a palindrome
that's where I'd start
reverse a string etc
 
@OMGtechy already done
 
@BhawinParkeria what's your goal? games or something else?
 
@OMGtechy , i want to learn everything about c++
 
@BhawinParkeria not possible
 
5:58 PM
technically, it is
 
Even if it was, that's not a good goal
 
Reverse as⃝df̅
 
the amount of knowledge related to C++ is finite
 
As is my lifespan aha
 
user1804599
Zero is indeed finite.
 
5:59 PM
@AlexM. "related"? Then no, it's not finite.
 
I'm not sure how to call it otherwise
 
i think i want to learn that much so as to get a nice job in google or microsoft
 
depends on how far you want to branch out?
 
@BhawinParkeria coderbyte.com
 

« first day (1473 days earlier)      last day (3492 days later) »