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Ell
10:02 PM
@Mysticial I don't think that's true
If You build against a glibc version youl
You'll be fine
 
Hello from the Linux class.
 
@ThePhD Are you doing anything cool in your compiler class?
Neat homeworks n' such?
 
@Borgleader There's only 3 homeworks.
I put out an Ad and 2 people responded, but they got whisked away into separate groups.
 
@Ell The moment you build at all, the compiler is gonna link against some version of glibc. If the machine you run it on doesn't have it, you're fucked.
 
I was but an inch away from being like "WELL I GUESS I HAVE TO WORK BY MYSELF."
Then a group of 3 ladies showed up IN CLASS and invited me to be in their group.
FML, I was so close to being alone.
 
10:06 PM
I don't know if it's possible to pick a version of glibc, libc++, pthread, and all the standard libraries to build against. And pick a sufficiently old version that every Linux box has.
 
@ThePhD but but... 3 ladies!
 
The Professor also said "yeah, no you can't work alone".
 
@ThePhD Are they neat?
 
So Ffffff. Exhausted all my options.
@Borgleader No, they're just to give us some basic compiler stuff.
But I'm REALLY happy about the lectures themselves.
Like, here, looka t this:
It just makes so much sense when I can see it like this
Why does no book have something neat like this.
 
@ThePhD The dragon book sortof does I think? Id have to fetch it and see
But ye, I've essentially programmed this step more or less
and by that i mean boost::qi::lex or wtv did whats on the first slide
 
10:10 PM
I'm trying to do it by hand.
 
and then i slapped a recursive descent parser on top of that to get something like the second slide
 
Or, well. I WAS GOING TO.
BUT THEN I HAVE GROUP MEMBERS.
 
Well you definitely can
 
So now I have to sit down and chill out and do what the group wants.
 
LLVM's website does one by hand for a python like language
 
Xeo
10:13 PM
BUILD FAILED
E:\Coding\NVIDIA\android-sdk-windows\tools\ant\build.xml:644: null
... thanks, Ant.
 
lol
 
Xeo
Very helpful
gawd
and of course this whole Ant shit is so outdated and depricated, that you can't find any info on it anywhere
 
My god.
Why did I sign up for the using linux class
We're talking about scp, pwd, and .
I just... I have to stick with this. I just need the credits...!
 
user406009
@ThePhD Yeah, that's how I feel about most of my classes as well.
 
user406009
Just got to graduate.
 
10:25 PM
Buh.
I think I'm going to just stop showing up to this class.
 
user406009
That's always a risky move though. Sometimes there are changes to homework/assignments/materiel that you can't get otherwise.
 
user406009
Can you use your laptop in the class?
 
user406009
(Or any computer)
 
I am on my laptop right now.
 
user406009
Eh. Then showing up is minimal cost.
 
user406009
10:27 PM
At least that's my thinking most of the time.
 
user406009
Cost vs benefit
 
True enough.
I'm fixing sol bugs while I'm waiting. :v
I'm trying to think how I can make an ordered vector.
I'm wondering if that would be faster for up to 500 strings versus std::unordered_map
 
You got to pick between Windows and Linux?
 
No, it's just a class on using Linux as a dev environment.
So bash, shell, command stuff, editors and shit down the line.
I took the python and C++ 1-credit courses, but I need 3 to form an elective.
Last year they offered Ruby and Javascript.
This year, no such thing.
I e-mailed Emily Stolfo, who taught the course last time.
And she said she might teach it against this Fall.
NO SUCH LUCK.
 
While I was in school, I regularly got berated by my profs for being "Windows guy" and not knowing "Linux basics" such as "never use the number pad".
 
10:34 PM
.... Why is not using the number pad a tenant of Linux...?
 
The guy said that the number doesn't necessarily map to numbers. And yeah, at least ubuntu defaults the numlock to off on boot.
 
@Mysticial o.O Not a thing I experienced
 
It's... also pretty easy to figure out that the numpad isn't working.
You know, when you don't see any numbers show up. :v
 
I've also been yelled at for submitting my assignments with Windows newlines. When that happened, I was like, "wow, you can go fuck yourself". But of course I didn't actually say that out loud.
 
TBH, I thought this was going to be a SysAdmin class.
The Professor is the school's SysAdmin.
 
10:36 PM
@Mysticial We were submitting them as entire vs projects lol
 
@Borgleader lol
 
Except for like that one class that was using a linux computer and that other one where we were doing an iPad thing in XCode
VS/Windows was the "default"
 
Because I have a dependency on an interactive IDE, I did all my assignments in Windows+MSVC whenever possible. But I would cross-check them on the school's Linux box prior to submission.
 
Same. Computer Animation checks things on Linux but I compile, build and run in VS.
Speaking of, Computer Animation is fun.
I'm makin' basic 2D physics stuff.
F E E L S G O O D
 
Sounds neato
 
10:40 PM
Yeh.
Speaking of that assignment is due tonight at midnight.
 
Or at least more neato than my physics sim thing class where we did shitty sims in matlab
(speaking of which, fuck matlab)
 
UGH.
Computer Vision
Changed from using C / C++
to using fucking Matlab. I want to fucking drop the course because of that.
 
is Matlab dynamically typed?
 
Dynamically typed, mainly interpreted.
In other words, all the cool realtime OpenCV stuff I wanted to try is NOT something I can do in Matlab.
I mean, the lecturer for Computer Vision is great.
I just... am really disappointed.
So many classes and running from C++ to do Java or Matlab.
All because it's easier to grade or w/e.
 
Ell
@Mysticial TIL :P
 
10:45 PM
I mean, the real reason is that people were fighting with C rather than learning about Computer Vision, but I mean. C'mon. We're computer scientists and software developers. People should know how to tame their C or C++ environments. =/
Especially when you hit junior / senior level.
Which is when people take these classes, ffs.
 
@ThePhD That's sorta what I do now with my Pi program. The entire project is properly setup in VS with intellisense fully working everywhere and shit. Every once in a while, I'll do my single TU build in Linux. Fix up all the errors (which are mostly missing this-> and template in all the TMP bullshit). Run all the unit tests and call it a day.
 
Xeo
Sigh. If at least android SDK's manifest merger was available as a stand-alone app...
 
I saw the compiler stack for Android
 
Xeo
or available under android merge or something
 
It's pretty kek.
 
Xeo
10:47 PM
this sucks so baaaad
I'm getting a random null with ant's manifest merger
and I can't switch to gradle's, since it's deeply integrated into the whole gradle build flow, which unreal doesn't support atm
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
There is a manifest-merger.jar, but I can't seem to invoke that on its own. Somebody pulled it out with all its dependencies and created a stand-alone version, but I'd rather not use that, since I wanna go with whatever the SDK includes.
When I try to do java -cp manifest-merger.jar com.android.manifmerger.Main --main="APK/AndroidManifest.xml" --etc..., it bails and tells me something about global parameters and verbs
 
^^ See people. This is why you don't do Java. It may be addictive, but it's not good for you.
 
Poor, poor Xeo.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Eh. Java is relatively fine. Matlab is an abomination though.
 
user406009
Especially the Matlab IDE thingy and runtime environment.
 
Hate matlab.
If Homework 1 for Computer Vision doesn't go well for me I'm just gonna drop the course like a sac of hot potatoes.
 
11:03 PM
preferably a sack rather than a sac
 
user406009
@ThePhD I'm thinking of dropping my Matlab course as well.
 
user406009
Matlab is just so painful to work with.
 
user406009
Sorta need the credits to graduate on time though.
 
I don't need Computer Vision.
I can take 3D UI next semester instead.
 
user406009
So far, it seems like editing my Matlab code with Notepad++ is much more efficient than using the matlab IDE.
 
11:14 PM
Fuck matlab.
Ugh I have to reinstall that shit.
At least the school provides it for me at no cost.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Yeah, it's crazy how expensive it is.
 
user406009
I really wonder how Matlab maintains such a stranglehold on the market.
 
user406009
Compared to alternatives like Python.
 
It has a LOT of library support and it's far easier to use.
Its docs are also impressive.
 
@Lalaland It does a lot of things things that Python can't.
It was also easy for me to learn.
 
user406009
11:16 PM
@Mysticial Well, Python + numpy + scipy I guess would be the competition.
 
Yeah, it is actually kind of impressive how many libraries it has.
 
user406009
I think numpy's docs are quite good though.
 
I tried Python for one semester and decided it was worse than Java.
 
If you thought Python had the kitchen sink included, wait'll you see the fucking mansion Matlab brings to teh party...
 
I would also argue easier to setup, and start developing.
Not sure how much people are familiar with IPython notebooks.
 
user406009
11:18 PM
@Mysticial So, would you say Python > Matlab or Matlab > Python?
 
Matlab > Python
Not entirely relevant, but I've used Simulink for a couple control theory classes. The block diagrams were nice.
But Maple < Mathematica.
 
Maple was nice.
But it costs dough.
 
Well, Is Maple < Matlab?
Although, they are kind of solving different problems.
 
@Nican IMO yes simply because of the UI. But that comparison was years ago. I don't know what the current state of affairs is.
 
python's cool
people in scientific communities use Cython though
comparing it to java is stupid
SHAME
 
11:25 PM
@Nican I liked maple a hell of a lot more than matlab, ymmv
 
@Rapptz You're not my friend anymore. :)
 
maple was nice
I liked Mathematica better
 
@Rapptz Why? Perf, accuracy?
 
performance
scipy is written in Cython e.g.
@Mysticial >:O
 
Xeo
whoo
I made it work \o/
java -cp manifest-merger.jar com.android.manifmerger.Merger
	--main Path/To/AndroidManifest.xml
	--libs Path/To/JavaLibs/Lib/AndroidManifest.xml [specify multiple times]
	--out Path/To/AndroidManifest.xml [overwrite the original]
	--placeholder key=value [specify multiple times]
there are two classes with main in the .jar, and I picked the wrong one at first. /cc @Mysticial @ThePhD
 
11:34 PM
boy
I need to up my dosage
 
Meds wearing off in effectiveness?
@Xeo RIP, small mistakes costing minutes of time. qq
 
eh
I think it's not so much that they're getting less effective, I think it's more that they need to have more effect
 
Xeo
I'll prolly throw this approach away, though, and wrap whatever Ant thing it generates with Gradle, and have Gradle perform the merging and placeholder substitution
 
@Xeo See people. This is why you don't use Java. It gives you not one, but two guns to shoot yourself with.
 
Xeo
Since Gradle can apparently simply forward to Ant, that might be relatively simple
damn I'm having so much fun with this whole thing
 
11:38 PM
Shit what are we gonna do? @Xeo's addicted to crack Java.
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Xeo
time to feed the cats, completely forgot about them in my quest for manifest merging
@Mysticial "this whole thing" means bringing the plugin to Unreal, and everything that entails
 
@Mysticial I've been on drugs for years
 
Xeo
this discourse to Java was just a really small part to get manifest merging
 
He's already in the denial phase. :<
 
Guys, @Xeo's forgot to feed his kids because he was out doing Java.
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Xeo
11:57 PM
You're technically right.
Although I didn't write a single line of Java in the process
all I did was invoke a .jar :P
 

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