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12:05 AM
@Borgleader I find piet amusing myself
 
Alright, just got home. And fuck. Both of the no-prefetch binaries failed during the day. Well... so much for that hypothesis...
 
@Mysticial nice when that's the only reason for a "fuck" don't you think :)
 
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@NathanOsman I think you mean signals :P
 
Not really. I still don't know if the errors are software or hardware even if all the evidence so far seems to hint at hardware. If it's software, I don't even know what to fix. If it's hardware, it means my $2,200 laptop isn't stable.
 
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@Mysticial Just think of all the fame you could get by proving there is a bug in Intel's latest CPU.
 
12:17 AM
Alright, next test: Disable all the non-temporal loads and stores...
@Lalaland Even if I did, I don't have enough power to make Intel pay attention to me.
 
can that be related to non-ecc?
what's the laptop model? (out of pure curiosity)
 
ECC or not, the memory is supposed to be more stable than 4 errors a day.
 
ok, i have had no idea about how often is the acceptable rate
 
But with an additional 32 GB of ram.
So 48 GB total.
If the thing still fails with the NT load/stores disabled, then I'm downclocking the memory and then pulling out those 32GB.
I don't think that's exactly the same model I got. But it's close enough.
 
oh that's a DTR type of machine, ok
nice that it accepts 48Gb
 
12:23 AM
DTR?
 
desktop repl.
 
oh
 
a laptop world term
one that you're not exp. to carry around, rather put it on a desk if you're out of space or simply prefer a laptop
and the type of machine i'm somewhat against due to the inevitable thermal throttling and weak gpu's
 
I can't code on anything less than 17 in.
I've been using 17in. laptops since like college.
 
sure, i understand, i can't code on less that this 24 inch 16:10 dell
with 3 vim columns
is the keyboard bearable? for me that's a showstopper, you know
 
12:27 AM
The keyboard is fine. My nit is about the number pad and the location of the windows button.
Otherwise, the colors are great - especially on the airplane.
 
oh, ok, then you're happier than me in the sense that you might have a lower keyboard barrier
 
But the colors also attract a lot of attention on airplanes.
They can be turned off, but then I can't see the fucking keyboard.
 
i can imagine
xD
the skylake must be snappy
is it any different than the desktop ones regarding the instruction set?
 
no
They're the same chip just clocked lower.
 
so it's just a 6700?
nice
 
12:31 AM
Yeah pretty much.
 
wish they had a mobile Pascal in it though
 
The packaging is different since it's for different sockets.
 
the maxwell is still too hot for a laptop
 
But otherwise, they're the same with different clocks.
 
oh, ok
the packaging is probably bga
pga for mobile seems to be long gone
 
12:32 AM
The die itself probably comes off the same assembly line.
 
oh, wait, you could've gone with the new P17 actually! it too has skylake and an infinite amount of ram and storage, the cpu being a xeon and the ram ecc, at that
as well as a better keyboard and a potentially better screen
 
I got mine back in November of last year.
Literally the first wave of Skylake laptops.
I was in desperate need of a new laptop as well as a Skylake chip for programming purposes.
 
wans't the p15/17 lineup out yet?
i don't remember honestly
 
Not back then.
 
k, now clear
me personally i'd only get an msi as an emergency measure, and sell it as soon as possible
 
12:36 AM
Back then, that MSI laptop was the only gameable Skylake laptop that would go over 32 GB of ram.
 
strange, isn't that up to the chipset and the cpu?
 
There were others already announced. The Asus one wasn't ready until like December or January, and were grossly overpriced.
 
oh yeah, and you can't game on the P, it's got a Quadro
 
The workstation ones weren't ready either, nor were they gameable.
 
sounds like a revelation to me that you care about gaming, in a sense
 
12:38 AM
Just to be clear, the laptop is not my main machine. I only "seriously" use it when I'm on the road. Otherwise, it's mostly build-box and a fileserver.
And a "slow torrents" box. It's the only machine that I keep running 24/7 since it doesn't draw much power.
 
makes sense, it being a skylake
what's your main machine like?
 
@Mysticial I got one of these: clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=847&lang=en . Its got some problems, but memory ain't one.
 
Hard drive configuration is completely different now. But otherwise, everything else is the same. The ram has been downclocked back to 2400 MHz. It wasn't entirely stable at 2666 MHz.
@Mikhail That link has problems. :)
 
@Mysticial Yeah I just noticed, oh well too bad I can't get drivers anymore. xoticpc.com/sager-np8151-clevo-p650rp6.html
 
Wow... my no-NT binary failed within a minute. And this time in a completely different part of the program that bares no resemblance to the places where it has been failing before.
Well... fuck this shit.
 
12:46 AM
Whats a "no-NT" binary?
 
nice rig, though well i'd get a more modern video card just for the sake of balance
 
No non-temporal load/stores.
 
and, the timings on the ram look.. well, compared to ddr3, off by a few notches
 
It's DDR4.
 
sure, i know
but honestly it's not as bad, did you do some tweaking on the timings?
 
12:48 AM
No I didn't. Those are the XMP numbers.
 
hmm, actually, thinking about it, it seems to be in teh ddr3 realm
 
Oh and the monitor setup is completely different now.
 
say we have a ddr3 1600 that can do 6 or 7, then every 133 increase is worth one unit of timing
 
I have 4 x 27 in. 1440p monitors. The ones in that pcpartpicker post were before I moved.
 
gives us an 8 unit difference, which means exactly 14
right, that's fast ram you got there!
 
12:51 AM
My laptop's DDR4 timings are 15-15-15-36.
 
and the frequency?
 
2133 MHz.
 
yeah, that's slow
 
Does the timing actually matter?
 
for benches, it does
 
12:52 AM
Is that true?
 
@Mikhail Not noticeably for my shit.
Probably because of the HT and the aggressive prefetching.
 
from what i've gathered, a 133 MHz increase equals a unit of timing decrease
if you e.g. measure the bandwidth with certain benchmarks
 
From one setting to the next, the difference in scores is sometimes barely measureable, but from lowest to highest, we see a delta of 2.1%, which we consider significant.
lowest to highest is a bullshit metric unless they control for a ton of stuff (which they didn't)
 
@Mikhail On the other hand, memory clock does matter for my shit:
Aug 15 at 4:15, by Mysticial
1333 MHz - 137.888 seconds
1600 MHz - 126.618 seconds
1866 MHz - 117.909 seconds
2133 MHz - 114.317 seconds
2400 MHz - 114.538 seconds
 
@Mysticial Now show me the power consumption number! Don't you know all the cool kids are tying to get into the Green500?
 
12:55 AM
@Mikhail I have no fucking clue. I don't even have the equipment to measure that.
 
@Mysticial would be interesting to see the corresponding aida64 screens for all the runs in the list
i.e. bandwidth and latency
 
@Mysticial Get a Kill A Watt meter (clever name)
Its like 20 bucks
 
That box is a 4770K @ 4.0 GHz. The memory is rated for 2400 MHz. But it isn't entirely stable at 2400 MHz. So I run it at 2133 MHz.
 
timings? voltage?
 
Isn't 4.0GHz the turbo speed
 
12:57 AM
Not that it had any better performance over 2133 anyway.
 
probably because of the timings
 
@Mikhail Overclocked and pinned to 2133 MHz.
@iksemyonov The timings were all set the default for 2400 MHz.
So the slower ones had the same timings as the 2400 MHz.
 
yeah, but, uhm, what are they like?
hm, then it probably wasn't really stable, yes
 
What if 1866 MHz used half the power of 2133 MHz, you gotta slow your roll man...
 
I held that constant because there was no profile for it and I didn't want to spend to time to find the best timings for each speed bucket.
@iksemyonov I don't know if it's the memory that isn't stable at 2400 MHz, or if it's the IMC.
 
12:59 AM
here i have crucial ballistix tactical ddr3 and they're crazy overclockers with some voltage applied
ohh, right, the imc
but, i recall reading that the imc in haswell is much better than sandy/ivy, and people could get as high as 2800 on those two
though on the other hand it was for the 6 cores
 
That's the very first batch of Haswell mobos, and the memory available at the time was nowhere near 2400 MHz.
Even when I bumped up the IMC related voltages, it still wasn't stable.
I wasn't willing to bump up the memory voltage since the XMP for 2400 MHz already set it to like 1.68.
 
you know i still have a spare 3930k and no mobo for it, and hesitating selling it cause of the golden batch 3
though it performs the same as the x5650 short of avx and 5% increase overall, i'm really tempted to see what kind of ram overclock i can achieve
 
I have a 2600K and a fried 1155 mobo.
I don't even know if my 2600K still works.
 
nah, those are a dime a dozen :)
the batch # is like 003 or so
should be a decent clocker
 
Sandy Bridge era overclocking was epic. I remember booting at 5 GHz and benchmarking at 5.3. It was ridiculous.
 
1:08 AM
yeah, i want to xperience this too
but the mobos just run away from me
i really wonder why sandy beng on the same 32nm is a better clocker than westmere
by a good .5 GHz i'd say
 
Oh hey @Borgleader, thanks for the pitch-perfect ping! @Mysticial Any errors yet?
 
@Aaron3468 Yeah. I just for 3 errors in 1 hour. And got the first error in a completely different part of the program.
 
@Mysticial s/for/got/ ? (nice, the two halves of the replacement make a word)
 
So now I'm looking at the laptop's OC settings to what's available.
 
@Mysticial Oh cool, so you might have found where the errors are ballooning outwards from
 
1:17 AM
I don't see an option in the BIOS to change the memory multiplier. But I can change the memory clock strap from 133 to 100 which sets the memory to 1600 MHz.
If that fails, then uh... I'll think about it then...
 
@Luc why is there no convenience if (my_variant.is<int>())
Because it wasn't proposed I know but still
 
And I just got a failure with the memory at 1600 MHz...
um wtf
 
O.o So now it's gone from one or two errors and 'a whole bunch from that one guy with the weird setup' to something significantly bigger
 
The stability of my laptop seems to have gone down since Friday. The binaries are all the same.
I'm gonna open it up to see if there's any loose connections with the ram sticks.
But I've been running the same unit tests with the same binaries on my Haswell and AMD boxes, and not a single one has failed yet.
 
1:38 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo if(holds_alternative<int>(my_variant))
 
@wilx Understanding all of physics is the same complexity level as understanding all of C++, so that hardly means you're bad :)
@Mysticial Weird
 
@caps same feature, different syntax
 
Pulled out the 32GB manual upgrade. Wonder if that will do anything.
So now it's running with the original 16GB.
No obvious damage to the DIMMs.
 
@Luc neat, but not in boost ;_;
 
no proposal can fix that
 
1:52 AM
That's get_if but meh
 
Looks like it still failed with only the original 16GB...
I'm running out of idea now.
 
So then it's not the memory itself, and it's not the code itself... So is it the OS or processors then??
 
I'm gonna try memtest86. But it's a longshot.
If the problem is with the original memory (which is mounted at the back of the motherboard), then it'll get ugly.
 
@LucDanton Yes initially I don't know how I missed that holds_alternative, I read its description and completely misunderstood
 
@LucDanton static_if didn't introduce new scope
iirc anyway
 
2:02 AM
I suppose
> Chris Metzen is retiring
well maybe I can one day feel excitement about Warcraft 4
 
@LucDanton NOOOOOOOO D:
He has the coolest voice in the history of vidya games
 
@Borgleader :O example?
if it beats Kevin Conroy I wanna hear this awesome sound juice
 
@Borgleader thank you u_u
to return the favor, here have Kevin Conroy laughing
 
2:15 AM
@Aaron3468 While memtest86 is running, there is one more hardware thing that I haven't tried yet... downclock the CPU.
I've been so focused on memory the whole time that I didn't notice that the errors are actually very similar to CPU AVX-instability during overclocking. Soft errors only. No BSOD. Only happens under maximum load.
 
@jaggedSpire That is creepy, but I would follow Chris Metzen into battle if I had to choose :P
 
@Borgleader :P
I just like Batman tbh
and Kevin Conroy has an A+ Batman voice
 
And by Chris I mean Thrall ofc
 
@LucDanton aren't you playing oobawaachu like all the cool kids
 
2:22 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo naw
 
So how's the lounge this fine morning/afternoon/midnight/whatever?
 
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@JerryCoffin Going through the eternal "I should go to sleep. But I don't want to stop reading reddit. But I should really go to sleep." cycle.
 
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The problem is that you only really pay the price the next morning.
 
@Lalaland I'm having a hard time figuring out how it would be hard to stop reading Reddit. Usually seems pretty silly to me.
 
2:32 AM
The hosts file is a computer file used by an operating system to map hostnames to IP addresses. The hosts file is a plain text file, and is conventionally named hosts. Originally, a file named HOSTS.TXT was manually maintained and made available via file sharing by Stanford Research Institute for the ARPANET membership, containing the hostnames and address of hosts as contributed for inclusion by member organizations. The Domain Name System, first described in 1983 and implemented in 1984, automated the publication process and provided instantaneous and dynamic hostname resolution in the rapidly...
 
@Mikhail Hmmm....to watch disks format, or watch grass grow. Which is more boring?
 
@JerryCoffin I have 70 TB riding on the disks, so its very exciting
 
@JerryCoffin from whose point of view?
if I was a snail, watching grass grow would be way more exciting ...
 
@Mikhail I'm sorry to hear that. When it comes to hardware, exciting is virtually never good.
 
@JerryCoffin The real thing that I learned was that when dealing with IO heavy work, the best solution, form a maintenance perspective, is to have a dedicated storage box running software RAID.
Too bad I spent all our money on disks...
 
2:46 AM
@Mikhail Indeed it is.
 
@Telkitty Unrelated, but every morning on my way to campus I see slug trails on the sidewalk. They usually wander across the sidewalk and back into the grass; a tiny little 'nope, I'm not dealing with this'. But I also see like 2/10 that didn't make it back before drying out Q.Q
 
3:11 AM
memtest86 passed after 45 minutes.
Prime95 small FFTs doesn't fail after 1 minute. But I'm not willing to continue since that pushes the CPU up to almost 100C.
Time for a downclock test. CPU @ 2.7 GHz as opposed to the 3.2 turbo.
Well that didn't last very long...
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH MY LAPTOP?!?!?
And if it's my fucking code, why the fuck doesn't it fail on any other machine?
 
user406009
Maybe your code triggers UB?
 
user406009
(UB at the assembly level)
 
I don't even know how to process the data that I have.
1. When I run the unit tests with all the binaries at once, the AVX2 binaries consistently fail within 2 hours.
2. Normal computations do not fail. (even with AVX2)
3. The stress-tester doesn't fail. (even with AVX2)
4. Prime95 doesn't fail.
5. The failures are heisen-failures.
6. The errors happen everywhere. All parts of the program that use 256-bit AVX. Both multi-threaded and single-threaded code.
7. The errors do not happen on any other machine.
 
@Lalaland Whoa, that would suck. If it's UB on assembly level (especially faulty instruction execution under load), then -- to use the technical term -- things are fucked.
 
If it's a hardware problem, I have no fucking clue what's wrong.
If it's a software problem, it's probably in the unit tests. But why the fuck doesn't it repro on any of my other machines?
If it's an OS problem... um, both my AMD and 4770K boxes are running the same Windows 10. They have no problems at all.
Time to see if the older versions fail.
 
3:30 AM
From all the information, we can rule out that it's the logic of the algorithm (it works on the same machine it fails on sometimes). We can also rule out the hardware. Thus it's a problem of the code interfacing with the hardware (memory corruption, instructions not operating properly, reads occurring before writes can be read). The only other possibility is memory leaks
 
You don't mean actual "memory leaks" right?
If the older versions do not fail, I'll have a binary search range among my backups.
 
I honestly assume you're good enough that memory leaks (in the correct definition) aren't occurring, but I also know they can cause really strange bugs
 
They would run the machine out of memory and I'd see it in Task Manager.
 
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@Mysticial I guess you could try tracking down someone with the same CPU and get them to run your code? But that would probably be very close to impossible.
 
@Lalaland That last factor that I can't test is that the laptop is Skylake, and it's my only Skylake machine.
But I have a really hard time believing that I'm hitting some Skylake bug.
That literally just happened in January. And they have a gazillion tests. It the problem is along those lines, it's probably a BIOS thing or some MSI shit.
 
3:36 AM
Can't figure out if this is a deficiency of myself (perhaps in my understanding of how zip files work) or of the library, but I can't tell how to use miniz to extract a zip archive.
 
@caps Peek at source code that works: github.com/scalone/mruby-miniz Maybe it'll help. I find it really makes things easier if I'm using libraries with poor documentation; start with someone's code that works and slowly mold it into what I need.
But if the documentation is good, I'll usually just bang my head against the documentation until my code begins to work
 
Testing my May release. I'm really hoping this turns out to be some mundane bug in the unit tests. If it's a bigger thing in program itself, then that's means I fucked up big time. If it's a problem with the hardware, I have a 2-grand brick.
 
@Aaron3468 Your advice is good, your example not so much; I think that implementation is just copy-pasted from the example,. But maybe that is helpful anyway.
 
@caps True, I don't know enough about the library to distinguish good uses versus bad uses. But... I know enough about github that I know the code's probably bad ^^;
@Mysticial Yeah, that's a good approach.
 
3:55 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo c’est différent de d’habitude mais comme j’ai un faible pour ce genre d’histoires juridiques (même si j’y connais que dalle) alors je partage ce pavé. Le machin est derrière un paywall, y’a un copier-coller dans les commentaires par quelqu’un qui en a reçu l’autorisation sans aucun doute.
 
@Aaron3468 Coincidentally, the May release unit tests haven't failed yet.
 
mention spéciale pour le contexte aussi
 
The trunk binaries that have been failing have usually been failing within minutes.
The first failure I got was at home during Labor day weekend.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes also I guess this story has an EU twist to is so maybe you’d be interested, hopefully the justice jargon isn’t too much to bear
@Aaron3468 not so funny now, huh?
 
3:58 AM
This C library seems so arcane to me.
 
@LucDanton Je ne comprends quelques mots français. ):
 
different threads of conversation
Sep 7 at 1:44, by Luc Danton
these are the tests
I was referring to that
 
#define my_max(a,b) (((a) > (b)) ? (a) : (b))
#define my_min(a,b) (((a) < (b)) ? (a) : (b))
This is a habit of C programmers that I will probably never understand.
 
what would you do, write a generic function?
 
@LucDanton There aren't that many types in C. You don't need to write something generic.
(Although yes, in C++ I would write a generic function)
 
4:07 AM
@caps It has its place, but I think where C failed big time was in allowing the preprocessor to have global scope
 
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@Aaron3468 How would you do it otherwise?
 
user406009
You don't really have namespaces in C.
 
user406009
I guess the only useful thing they could add would be a "file-local" scope like C's static keyword.
 
@Lalaland I'd prefer to have a per-file scope by default, with an opt-in global
 
what difference would that make?
 
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4:10 AM
Actually yeah, it wouldn't.
 
we did it Lounge!
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That way library macros don't interfere with eachother or with my code. Not usually an issue, but I've had it happen occasionally in strange places.
 
@Aaron3468 The codebase I currently work in frequently has #undef max and #undef min at the top of files.
 
user406009
@Aaron3468 I find that's a pretty rare usecase. I don't see macros used that often in header files.
 
user406009
4:11 AM
Used in implementation and declared in headers, sure, but not so much used in headers.
 
user406009
The only solution is to not use C
4
 
I had one big rendering library that required a macro declaration before the include would work. Global macros makes reasoning about code difficult without intimate knowledge of the libraries. Macros are powerful tools, but C/C++ macros are like using a nuke when you only need a bit of TNT
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I forgot about one more C++1z language features which is inline variables even though it’s fairly ubiquitous, but that’s because it’s a transparent change that requires no intervention for the most part
 
@LucDanton inline variables?
 
which is as good a segue as can be so here’s today bikeshed cc @PatrickM'Bongo: template<typename Val> constexpr Val paint_me {};
@caps yes that is what I said
 
4:21 AM
@LucDanton ... what are they?
 
2
Q: What is an inline variable and what is it useful for?

jotikAt the 2016 Oulu ISO C++ Standards meeting, a proposal called Inline Variables was voted into C++17 by the standards committee. In layman's terms, what is an inline variable and what is it useful for? How should it be declared, defined and used?

why do I have to search on your behalf :(
on today’s menu, trying to understand the clusterfuck of code I generated
$ nm -C sandbox/debug/build/annex-range/test/range/composition/concat.o | wc -l
21788
 
5:02 AM
@Luc eh bien c'était fort intéressant
Ça doit être sympa d'être magistrat
 
5:49 AM
@caps Er, no faith in accurate perception nor tool quality. Quantifying uncertainty is a science in itself en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_quantification. Also, no faith in the preceding works is needed, because if their theories were inaccurate in a way that affects your work, it will show in your work. If it describes the world well enough for you to describe more of the world, it's fine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This is a sound argument. Science is the art of extrapolating from historical data, including the validation of the data and extrapolation. The scientific method is the means of validation.
And if the laws of physics changed suddenly tomorrow, we'd be able to ascertain what changed, though it's not assured we'd know why.
In that sense, science doesn't have faith per se; contrary evidence is integrated and remembered when it is relevant. Faith, in the religious sense, usually opposes contrary evidence.
</my-point-of-view>
 
6:23 AM
@Luc beaucoup apprécié le texte de Beauvot.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo il ne faut pas rater le contexte (du contexte) tout en bas de page par contre
 
@Mysticial I'm off to bed, but hopefully it's the new unit tests! If not you'll have a few grueling weeks/months of testing ahead of you
 
@LucDanton Je l'ai lu, mais pourquoi insistes-tu autant sur ça ? pls elaborate
 
pour réaliser que c’était un rebelle
 
Ah ok je pensais que tu voulais insinuer autre chose
 
6:37 AM
@NathanOsman We have this since C++11: std::exception_ptr
@caps boost::string_ref
 
comment oses-tu insinuer que j’insinue
@PatrickM'Bongo it looks like this time the reddit financial detectives are taking early measures
> Peasant's Solution (underwater trident) pitchfork skin went for 4-5g, and is currently selling for 20g. What the hell, is reddit all about the Dank Memes?
 
6:55 AM
Reddit financial advice
BUY GOLD
 
what do I buy it with, silver?
 
 
1 hour later…
Ven
8:20 AM
hi
 
8:48 AM
@LucDanton ever thought about pimping out your soul?
 
Wording and formatting are atrociously bad and misleading. Also, it doesn't add any information that wasn't here for ~8 years. — sehe 7 secs ago
wth do people think SO is for
 
@sehe Copy & pasting of course.
 
@caps string_ref comes from boost
 
8:58 AM
@GillBates User name checks out
 
2 hours ago, by milleniumbug
@caps boost::string_ref
:)
 
My wording adds context
:)
 
:')
 
9:00 AM
@Aaron3468 *pas
 
@sehe for some reason I always thought your profile picture was a white gorilla
 
Why write your own? Standard library has a lot of features (surrounding std::lock with defer_lock_t). Boost makes it even more powerful with iterator-range interface (see my answer). Note it will be a lot more robust, because your implementation is naturally deadlock-prone — sehe 1 min ago
Oct 19 '13 at 10:54, by nightcracker
why do I always think sehe's avatar is a white gorilla
Jul 24 '13 at 21:14, by TemplateRex
@sehe every time I look at your avatar, I am seeing a very white gorilla, and then I realize it's a polar bear looking at some template metaprogramming, saying "ugh"
 
haha
 
Oct 9 '12 at 20:09, by Collin
@JerryCoffin Looks something like a white gorilla if you don't zoom in though
You're not alone.
Still don't understand. There were a guy who actually /had/ the white gorilla picture, though
yetihehe, Olsztyn, Poland
350 4 9
 
Too pink for me
I like your gorilla better
Maybe it's just because sbi has a gorilla one and your names aren't too different
 
9:11 AM
#BKA gibt Festnahme von 3 mutmaßl. Mitgliedern der terroristischen Vereinigung „Islamischer Staat“ bekannt. ^yt https://twitter.com/bka/status/775604156468002816
("Reports of the arrest of 3 suspected members of the terrorist organization 'Islamic State'")
(in Schleswig-Holstein, btw, not Berlin)
 
@GillBates You're making it more awkward :)
 
9:29 AM
 
@sehe It's what I do best :)
 
you are good at making awkwards?
 
Pretty much
 
user1804599
this is rad
 
user1804599
9:42 AM
@GillBates Probabilistic solution to the Entscheidungsproblem.
 
And now the summary please
 
10:01 AM
$ wc -l bigmess
21648 bigmess
that’s not much of an improvement :(
 
nwp
$ truncate -s 42 bigmess
there, fixed if for you
 
Ven
:D
@nwp writes C++ with paint because it's best
 
$ mv bigmess smallmess
 
@milleniumbug Actually I have bigmess and biggermess
 
rm -rf / --no-preserve-bigmess
 
Ven
10:07 AM
^ :P
 
10:21 AM
21691 symbols this time, this is more or less an unmitigated disaster
 
We're here for you
Mental support is all you need
 
nwp
yeah, mental support, that is what we are providing, totally
 
cheers
 
at least I have a backup plan, which is to add a warning in the documentation that the function should probably never be used
 
why not make that plan A?
 
nwp
10:32 AM
"The purpose of this function is to utterly destroy any confidence you may have in this library and to deflect any claims of warranty as laughable."
 
catchy
 
Ben
10:42 AM
@nwp most libraries I've seen don't have a warranty.
 
@Ben Only because every licence in existence voids all warranties.
 
Ben
@Griwes yeah.
 

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