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3:03 PM
Any suggestions on making the graph better?
My only thought is maybe adding a black outline to the 'unsupported' text.
 
I was tasked to give a small presentation to introduce nonius to everyone in the audio team at work.
Also there's going to be work done on it. Yay.
 
Seeing nonius makes me want to implement a graphing library in C++.
 
@ThePhD I'd just omit it altogether (and mention it in whatever accompanying text)
 
So I can get the graphs like I make in python and shit using C++.
 
@ThePhD Yeah, png output has been a want for a while.
 
3:05 PM
Maybe I can propose that as a project for school.
For a class.
 
But graphics libraries :<
LGPL :<
 
Yeah, I'm really surprised.
 
Having a standard one would be nice too, but there are apparently idiots that cannot fathom using graphics without a GUI.
 
No CC0 or likewise for graphing libraries.
 
(puppy <3)
@ThePhD MIT, or BSD, or a bunch of other options would be fine, really.
 
3:07 PM
Yeah, but even those ones aren't around.
It's LGPL/GPL to the max.
And even those ones aren't... pretty, to use.
 
@ThePhD I know Q_Q
That's the main reason I haven't done that yet. It was the very first post-1.0 thing I wanted.
 
I did a bit of research on this when I was looking for projects to work on last semester before Stroustrup hand-armed me into working with a group.
It was either Sol or a Graphing library.
 
@ThePhD So, why is luwra faster? :p
 
@Morwenn Because I'm not using sol::c_call<decltype(&func), &func>
If I did that they'd probably be equal.
But it's ugly.
 
nwp
@ThePhD I'd get rid of the bubbles. Would show a lot more of the relevant data that way instead of fitting to outliers.
 
3:11 PM
@nwp But it's good for showing raw sample distribution....! Albeit, the std-dev bar and mean bar graph do that too...
 
@Griwes What a fucking wild ride.
 
yeah
 
3:31 PM
> Spent a full day reviewing the proposed 2D graphics TS.
Literally never gets mentioned again.
 
@ThePhD Prolly because it's not very good? :P
 
Well yeah, but they spent a full day on it.
What were the criticisms?
 
What's the paper number for that?
 
> Making Optional Greater Equal Again
Snrk.
 
P0267. Got it.
 
3:37 PM
@Griwes Genius :D
 
@ThePhD Tony is known for good paper titles.
 
@ThePhD There's also "default == is >, default < is < so".
Okay there's literally a fuckton of notes on P0267.
 
Where?
I can't find it
 
Please come to Issaquah so that I can share the WG21 wiki password with you without feeling like I'm breaking a spoken rule. :D
@ThePhD On the WG21 wiki.
 
3:39 PM
I searched the paper number, graphics, 2D, drawin- oh
 
 
When's the next C++ meeting?
 
@ThePhD Issaquah, the week of the USA presidential elections.
 
@Griwes Sounds like I'll be in school....
... the best time to go!
 
Exactly!
 
3:41 PM
I have to basically travel from end to end of the country, though.
Wonder if I can get something cheap now.
 
I'm still wondering what I'm going to be doing around that time...
I want to try to be there for the meeting, but man, whichever way I do that, it's not going to be cheap.
 
It costs $3000 to be part of the C++ Committee, doesn't it?
Yearly?
And isn't there some kind of litmus test?
 
It costs like $2k/y to have a vote at the plenary.
 
Lmao. Hot damn.
Definitely too rich for my blood.
 
You can attend as an observer for free, and as an observer you can normally participate in all the less formal things.
 
3:44 PM
Wooo, shouting matches.
 
Like, you can discuss things in working/study groups, you can participate in straw polls in those, and so on.
 
Sounds neat.
@Griwes Your name's only in the attendee list, I thought you were in the actual minutes. D:
 
So, I either go for CppCon, come back here for a month, and then hit USA again for the meeting (which is going to cost a lot), or I don't return and survive for a month in the wilds. :D
 
I would imagine living here for a month would cost more than 2 trips?
 
@ThePhD I was mostly silent at the plenary (except for speaking with a few people around me, or exchanging the surprise of std::variant passing silently with Chandler and so on) - I'm somewhere in the EWG minutes (on the wiki), though.
@ThePhD If living in hotels, I'd guess so, yes.
OTOH if I decided to, say, hitchhike randomly around... :P
 
3:47 PM
Some people might let you rent a room for a while.
 
Tip: you don't really need to have an actual room to survive :P
Though for example a random trip to Australia might pop up in the meantime. ;d
 
I know you don't, but sleeping on park benches and under the stars isn't always the best.
Also, having a room means you might be able to access a shower too.
Albeit, you can get that with a cheap gym membership or something.
 
The main problem I have with that particular plan though is that there's a high chance I'd have to do it alone, and due to recent events (that you can read all about in #relationship-drama!) I'd prefer not to do a thing like that alone. :P
 
Oh. I haven't been on discord in ages.
I haven't played games in ages.
I haven't been living in ages.
Brb gonna go crawl into a hole and lament my existence.
 
You've missed a lot of #relationship-drama.
You should login and try to read all that. :P
@ThePhD I've been mostly thinking about crazy things like hitchhiking to Anchorage and back or some other similar nonsense. (Yes I do realize it'd be October.)
Ugh stupid Google Maps gives me the distance in miles just because I'm looking up how to get from one city in the US to another city in the US.
Hmm, just circa 7500km from Bellevue to Anchorage and back. Not that far away. :P
 
3:58 PM
@Griwes Hitchhiking is awesome.
Also, gotta love a word with double-h
 
I know, even though I haven't done it much yet.
But regarding that plan, I'm just not sure if I'm going to have as much fun as I'd hope to have hitchhiking for a month alone, instead of with one particular person I have in mind.
 
I'm gonna do a week across Portugal next month.
 
after a fucking nightmare trying to static link sfml and sfgui into executable i cant tell if its static link or not
i've tried ldd and the shared libs dont appear anywhere, but when tell cmake not to static link, they dont appear anyway
well, i only have the static libs installed, so that could be something
idk
yep, it appears to work
well, thats nice
 
fuck, undefined reference to everything in existence
oh well
 
@fredoverflow That gives you job options, not job security.
I think there's enough candidates to fire you if you're bad.
It's not COBOL.
 
...I just thought the second sentence sounded funny :)
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems define all the references
 
@nwp im on it
 
nwp
4:35 PM
I should pick up my libfinder again and make it actually work
but args parsing...
I think the key to continue is to accept that boost::program_options is limited and use it anyways instead of doing it properly
or finding something else
 
fucking hell my brain hurts
 
4:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There are enough candidates to fire you if you're really bad, but enough more jobs than candidates that it's undoubtedly easier for those who are mediocre to get by.
 
fuck me sideways
i've been fucking trying to link sfml static to sfgui static to my project for 2+ hours by now
oh my god
 
5:07 PM
@fredoverflow I find it hard to believe that C is the top ranking language. I've met very few C programmers.
 
5:17 PM
I believe it.
C++ isn't taught at my university.
Or any university I've been in.
Core to the Curriculum has been Java and C.
And a splash of python.
C++ is seen as extra.
 
Ell
c++ isn't taught at mine either
we get haskell, c, java
not sure what else in the future
 
Here we have "C with iostreams"
3
I assume it's because of this
 
Ell
lol
 
Mar 2 at 22:09, by milleniumbug
@ADG Most of the time what universities call "C++", they actually mean "C, but with some addition of arbitrarily chosen features of C++ because we can't actually explain how C equivalents work. Also there's no way in hell we'll explain the features that don't exist in C, that would require significant changes in the course we didn't change in the last 10 years"
 
Ell
that's one of the worst bits to take
 
5:21 PM
I fucking hate gcc
Yes, GCC, I set this variable but I don't use it.
But consider the following, you shitty compiler: it has a non-trivial destructor.
Maybe that's what I'm using it for you fucking piece of twatgarbage.
 
hey guys
if i provide libraries dynamically, is that a problem?
 
People have been making dynamic libs for a long time.
Can't imagine why you'd have to be special.
 
i mean, if i'm distributing a game
is it ok to put the shared libs in the same dir and thats it?
 
?
I mean.
How else are you going to deliver them...?
 
@StackedCrooked I think there are a lot of halfway points--uses of C++ that the people writing it think of as C, and aren't really making good use of C++ as a whole, but still wouldn't actually compile with a conforming C compiler.
 
5:29 PM
@ThePhD statically linked
inside the executable
 
Do you guys add a small pause when speaking before scare air quoting something?
Rhetorical.
 
I do it for sarcastic air-quoti- oh.
 
I do. Now the real question...
What if there's the indefinite article before the quote, and the quote starts with a vowel?
Like 'an "hour"'
Keeping the -n while adding the pause makes me cringe.
But 'a "hour"' also feels wrong even though there's a pause.
 
attempt number fuck 50 at fucking getting this shit to run
lets go bois
 
What about 'a "hour"' (i.e. the emphatic pronunciation, "ay")
Fuck English
 
5:38 PM
Une heure.
 
French is worse!
French has a shitton more of these connecting consonants.
'les "heures"'
 
In French spelling, aspirated "h" (French: "h" aspiré) is an initial silent letter that represents a hiatus at a word boundary, between the word's first vowel and the preceding word's last vowel. At the same time, the aspirated h stops the normal processes of contraction and liaison from occurring. The name of the now-silent h refers not to aspiration but to its former pronunciation as the voiceless glottal fricative [h] in Old French and in Middle French. == List of French words which begin with an aspirated h == The following list contains only the dictionary head entries and not all the forms...
Isn't that wonderful?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes an...hour?
 
That loses the quotes.
 
an... "hour"
 
5:41 PM
How about... "60 minutes"
 
Can't think of another way.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That doesn't quote the original!
 
@StackedCrooked that's the one that irked me to begin with.
 
Look, alright. You're messing with language-related issues. There is no good answer.
 
5:42 PM
an + pause + ... sounds bad.
 
The only solution out of this cesspool is to crash at the nearest pub.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your irk is unjustified.
 
But seriously though I'd go with "an hour".
No pause.
 
@EtiennedeMartel but "les" doesn't end in a vowel. The ligating consonant there is /z/.
 
Maybe it's my French background but I don't think it sounds bad.
 
5:43 PM
The pause is essential for effect.
Need to get the scare quoting across.
 
I use my fingers for scare quotes.
 
FfFFffff
 
Probably got some Italian in my lineage.
 
I have a default argument that's the same type as the new argument I want to add for this overload.
 
Hand gestures yo
 
5:46 PM
RrRrggggh.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes a whole hour
how about that? :P
 
Me too, but speaking out the syllables slowly is the important bit.
 
But I put the quoting in the tone of the word, not the air around it.
 
The pause is essential, otherwise the first syllable gets split off.
@Ell that works for this one, but s/hour/aardvark/ and not so much
 
UGH it looks so fucking UGLY.
Guess I'll just rename the function. The overload is too jank.
 
5:52 PM
> Je suis pas raciste car que le racisme est un crime et le crime c'est pour les noirs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I believe most of them in English came from French, for little that's worth.
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Slowly and with extra emphasis. At least in the US, hour can come out as nearly two separate syllables--"Ow-er".
 
Ell
6:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes idk, if I was told somebody ate a whole aardvark I'd be impressed :D
@StackedCrooked I never got this
apples and oranges are really quite comparable
 
7:12 PM
@JerryCoffin Hmm, I'm skeptical.
This sort of thing is often a product of convergent evolution.
Speaking out two vowels in a row is awkward, so there's a tendency to fix that (Yes, I know about Hawaiian :P)
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that's my pronunciation.
 
Ell
Man
I love rich tea biscuits
they're so good
for dunking in tea
 
7:28 PM
man
this is the 2nd time I'm getting back from work drunk this week
 
Ell
you're drinking during work hours?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reminds me of that cool video.
 
Jul 22 at 15:45, by Bartek Banachewicz
I got hired for the C++ workshop
:D
 
@Borgleader
-3
Q: can you give me simple optimization tips for a c code?

Ardemioni want to optimize a code that I have written in C. The code is basically a "while" loop of 10 million steps, and inside it there are 6 "for" loops each of 20 000 steps. in it there are a lot of multiplications, division, pow, if/else statement, calls to arrays and so on. I want to reduce the com...

 
@milleniumbug hey that's a side job
 
7:32 PM
^^ This guy needs to optimize the quality of his question.
 
@Ell well, kinda
this was the 2nd beer meeting, this time with my band
we planned how to make them come to GdaƄsk so we could play together
but frankly in Austria drinking e.g. a beer to go with your lunch is perfectly fine
 
Ell
Even at work?
 
yeah
I also found it a bit strange at first
our fridge here is full of beer most of the time
 
Ell
Well that's p chill
all we drink at work is water and tea
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut??
 
Ell
7:35 PM
I guess some people drink coffee and juice
 
@Ell we have a nice terrace here so people stay after work often for a beer and chill
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A quick check shows that the silent leading "h" in the words that occur to me immediately ("hour", "honor", "honest", "heir") and some of the borderline ones like "hotel" all came from French.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2nd "party" because I'm leaving lol
 
@JerryCoffin Oh. I was talking of the added -n to "a", or in French to all those otherwise silent final letters that become sounded when followed by a vowel-initial word. The "h" in the examples was just an accident.
 
Ell
7:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz we have a balcony
like a rooftop thing
with nice chairs
but
nobody would dream of staying instead of going home I don't imagine
 
@JerryCoffin Oooh, that's cool. Thanks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Surely--even if it's not what you intended to discuss, it seems pretty interesting, at least so far.
 
lol, apparently Microsoft makes more off Android than off Windows Phone
 
at fucking last i got sfgui working
fucking hell
now that i think about it, i may be able to link it statically
but fuck it
hail dynamic linking
 
7:45 PM
HOLY SHIT
(Warning: NOISY; don't turn the volume up too much)
 
Imagine hundreds of warriors marching and all of them using this thing.
FUCKING HELL.
 
@StackedCrooked pretty cool
 
@milleniumbug yeah
 
9gag always whines that the kids dismiss their nostalgia, but I think they're (the 9gag) just blinded
 
@Mysticial lol
 
@StackedCrooked why are you watching kids react to stuff
 
7:55 PM
because it's fun
 
because it's adorable
> I like this better than Flappy Bird
 
typewriters are awesome tho
but no I still don't want kids
 
neither do I
 
this is not about wanting kids, lol
 
oh so it's about watching kids without having them
 
7:59 PM
maybe
 

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