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12:00 AM
I’d like to try the new fractal island, too, but schedules and all that
 
@CaptainGiraffe Overwatch
 
@ThePhD /cc @Mysticial ;)
 
@Mysticial I'd assumed it was based on the meaning in Arabic (which is something like "happiness").
 
user406009
@CaptainGiraffe Well, it is a well written question.
 
user406009
12:10 AM
Maybe not a really useful one per say, but still well written regardless.
 
agreed
 
We are starving for well written questions I suppose.
 
user406009
@CaptainGiraffe I mean, it sorta comes down to what the point of SO is.
 
user406009
Is it to collect a useful body of knowledge? Or to help people?
 
user406009
12:14 AM
Sometimes those goals are really conflicting.
 
@Lalaland Well put. And I agree.
 
user406009
Mysticial wrote the best summary of the situation: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252077/406009
 
@Lalaland I read "goals" as "goats" and almost starred that
 
@Lalaland Thanks for the link. +1 Informative
hehe =)
 
@Mysticial RIP dedicated C++ question room #38
 
12:27 AM
25 messages moved to C++
2 messages moved to bin
 
user406009
@Mysticial Thank you. The other room is more suitable for this sort of thing anyways.
 
thanks janitor
I was hoping for a bot, but meh, manual labour is as good
 
@Mysticial holy wtf batman, 25 xD
 
manual labor's got more soul :3
 
user406009
12:43 AM
Well, in all seriousness, there is a reason why we have human judges and whatnot.
 
user406009
There is a lot of subtlety in society and human interaction.
 
user406009
People keep on trying to come up with these blockchain technologies which allow people to get away from the court system.
 
user406009
I think they have the wrong idea.
 
user406009
The courts are a good thing.
 
user406009
Being able to reverse transactions is a good thing.
 
12:51 AM
no everything must be permanent all the time forever that's why I don't use source control and never back up my files
(I do)
 
1:15 AM
Back in action now
@Mysticial Sounds like a fun conversation
 
 
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2:41 AM
@Nooble So yesterday I was watching subway fights. Now I'm watching road rage videos. FML
 
Regular day for the media in my country in the (game) NationStates
 
Kind of reminds me of "Preacher", but that's perhaps because I've been obsessing/binging it recently
 
You know what. I wasn't exaggerating when I said "regular day"
I got the same news article immediately afterwards (the next day) too lol
 
I always thought Julian Assange's rape allegation was only a hoax the U.S. government used to trap him. But now looking at wikileaks one sided email coverage and Julian's own comments on the email leaks I could not but think that he might really committed those rapes because he has issues with women.
Hillary might be a typical politician and there is nothing glorious about that, sure. But Trump has not a single black spot that hackers could find?? This is an insult to the hackers and insult to people's intelligence.
 
Idk, maybe trump isn't as bad as the media tries to paint him
 
2:50 AM
Define black spot
 
Trump is not a bad person, but the requirement of a good head of any country takes a lot more than just being a not bad person
"Throughout his career, Trump has left behind a well-documented record of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, angry shareholders and contractors who feel cheated, and disillusioned customers who feel ripped off," Bloomberg said. "Trump says he wants to run the nation like he's run his business. God help us."
you know what a bankruptcies right?
it's a way to only pay back a few cents to every dollar you borrow
so yeah, trump got rich by ripping off other people
feel free to elect him though, I don't care
 
This can't be good :P i.imgur.com/JlzIGwP.png
 
3:27 AM
> we are not planning on expanding Bloodstone Fen [i.e. the new zone that comes with the story] as an episode release.
@KretabChabawenizc unlike what they did with LS2 part 1 and 2. very sad
 
3:39 AM
@Darkrifts "You can think whatever you want about us locking you up in a cage and beating you with a chicken, but your money isn't gonna do anything wild regardless."
 
4:02 AM
Hmm, no posts in 30 minutes, I should remind people that Haskell appears to have 5 string types news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12177002
 
what is wrong with me today I read that as Haswell
 
Unlike C++ which only has... hey, wait a sec
 
heaven forbid someone bring up integer types
 
or integer types in Java
Or the max size of a Java array, hint: its not a power of 2
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Q: Why I can't create an array with large size?

JohnWinterWhy it is impossible to create an array with max int size? int i = 2147483647; int[] array = new int[i]; I found this explanation: Java arrays are accessed via 32-bit ints, resulting in a maximum theoretical array size of 2147483647 elements. But as you can see my code doesn't work. It i...

 
wut
is it one less than a power of 2 at least
 
4:08 AM
Fun
Goes away because it's late
 
Yeah... A lot of languages have ugly or weird types.
 
@jaggedSpire you gotta count the zero... The index is one less than the power of two...
 
I'm not talking about indices
I'm talking about sizes, and wondering if they felt like having a sentinel value for whatever reason
but it looks like no
 
Internally, I believe there is some overhead because it needs to known the .length() in O(1). So maybe that is why there are a few bytes extra, and we then assume they didn't try very hard when they went from 32 bit to 64 bit.
 
int [] array = new int[i]; System.out.println(array.size); // <= that thing
 
4:12 AM
yeah increases in space always seem to come with the argument that they have so much space it doesn't even matter what they do with it
in this case, of course, very few people are going to be missing a few bytes in the GB they have available :P
 
As OP mentions, he needs to know how much he can allocated without the thing exploding.
 
@jaggedSpire Again, hypothetically array[2147483647] could be valid, but how can "array.size" be 2147483648?
 
oh that's the point
doop doop
ignore me I must have screwed on my thinking cap wrong tonight
 
Playstation is a little weird. Most NA games use cross as confirm and circle or triangle as return. Meanwhile, just about every Japanese game uses circle as confirm and cross as return (probably maru/batsu or something)
 
C++ is strange too... -2147483648L is a very curious beast
(Not that the sizes are standard/specified, or the representation of signs... but assuming long is 32 bits and you have two's complement, this thing's still quite quirky)
 
4:29 AM
^ That's why I would prefer fixed-width/fixed-sign types to be standard and any alternative representations to be non-standard; non-ambiguous is best while coding
 
So I'm watching road-rage videos atm, and almost all of them are in either Britain or Russia.
Is that a coincidence?
 
anybody here work for booking.com amsterdam?
 
In Russia, most of the population has dash cams. Not sure about why Britain has a disproportionate amount. Here in Canada, our population density just isn't enough for it to be common outside Toronto or Ottawa
 
So observational bias.
 
I think so.
 
4:32 AM
Btw, British road-rage is amazing. And Russian road rage is, holy shit.
 
I see live road rage twice a day
 
The Russian road rage videos usually involve a weapon. Bats and gold golf clubs are common.
 
Gold clubs must be a road rager's status symbol
 
The British ones usually involve excessive usage of the word, "fuck". Which to an American ear, is just awesome to listen to.
 
4:41 AM
Hi.
 
Woah... I just saw one where a Russian guy pulled out a knife. The next video has an assault rifle.
That's escalated quickly.
 
4:54 AM
@Mysticial insurance policies in Russia.
 
and let’s blame Brexit for the other one
@R.MartinhoFernandes say, you’ve been joining us early-ish these days. I hope you’re okay
 
My girlfriend gets up at six to go to work.
Well, more like I wake her up at six thirty to turn off the alarm.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
5:10 AM
fuck, I can't get ffmpeg to slow down my video, it keeps ignoring the PTS option
 
5:32 AM
> On Monday Munich's mayor also called for rucksacks to be banned at Oktoberfest, suggesting Germans will have to get used to tighter security checks at public events.
Fucking idiot.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
^ The cost of throwing an exception and catching the proper type versus just using a cast :B:B:B:B
Oh man that's really rough. I knew exceptions were harsh but G E E Z .
 
5:52 AM
lol, UK
 
@KretabChabawenizc relevant
@R.MartinhoFernandes does it matter?
 
For what?
It's just funny cause, you know, took our jobs
 
must be looked at associated with the percentage with a degree or higher
 
Ell
6:43 AM
@ThePhD why would you do that to upcast?
 
Ven
7:09 AM
Hi
 
Sup frer
 
Ven
B1 ?
 
trkl
I'm doing "variadic type traits" (IOW how to apply traits to packs of types)
It's p fun to implement
Lot of template wanking
 
Ven
Good thing you trained your arms specifically for wanking.
 
Exactly
 
7:23 AM
Sorry for the noise, imgur won't load for me :)
 
Ven
Looks v nice :)
 
Going full retard "wow now we can finally have a garbage collector in C++!"
 
Ven
Like the optional one specced in C++11 for sure ..:)
 
Ok, final version of my radiation dose table draft.sx/7a38776192d91867fbaa9ce92fc84310
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Needs a "sleeping with someone"
 
7:50 AM
@Mikhail :)
 
8:15 AM
Hello
 
inb4 question
 
Ven
inb4 hi
 
8:32 AM
Hello, I have a quick question about boost::variant
 
called it!
 
how can I evaluate which type the variant has retrieved ?
I have a boost::variant<Point_3d, Segment_3d>
and i'd like something like if(variant.isType1())
because boost::get doesn't return an optionnal
 
@fredoverflow what's the change actually
 
currently i'm doing this if (const Point_3d* pInter = &boost::get<Point_3d>(inter)) but it seems to crash
 
@Cyril have you confirmed it?
 
8:37 AM
yeah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Was the yearly background dose measured on people who use CRT screens?
The table states that using a CRT screen for a year is 2h30m. However, it also contributes to the yearly dose
 
No
The background dose is from ubiquitous sources.
 
I wonder what was the highest dose a human has ever received
 
8:40 AM
Cosmic radiation, naturally occurring radioactive isotopes, and, in a post-60s world, fallout from nuclear testing.
It includes cosmic radiation, naturally occurring radioactive isotopes, and, in a post-60s world, fallout from nuclear testing.
Albert Stevens (1887–1966), also known as patient CAL-1, was the victim of an unethical human radiation experiment, and survived the highest known accumulated radiation dose in any human. On May 14, 1945, he was injected with 131 kBq (3.55 µCi) of plutonium without his knowledge or informed consent. Plutonium remained present in his body for the remainder of his life, the amount decaying slowly through radioactive decay and biological elimination. Stevens died of heart disease some 20 years later, having accumulated an effective radiation dose of 64 Sv (6400 rem) over that period. The current annual...
That's 16000y, if you're curious.
 
@LucDanton i did, i'm using the same syntax shown here boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/doc/html/variant/…
 
> Stevens died of heart disease some 20 years later
what
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess I meant "over a short period of time". But this is interesting as well
 
Probably one of these:
A criticality accident is an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction. It is sometimes referred to as a critical excursion or a critical power excursion and represents the unintentional assembly of a critical mass of a given fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium, in an unprotected environment. A critical or supercritical fission reaction (one that is sustained in power or increasing in power) generally only occurs inside reactor cores and occasionally within test environments; a criticality accident occurs when the same reaction is achieved unintentionally and in an unsafe environment...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m surprised I’ve never heard of this, considering the time I’ve spent browsing the criticality accidents. not the same thing obv. but still related to an extent
@Cyril read more
 
yeah I read about most of them
 
8:51 AM
@BartekBanachewicz There is no significant change, see the message below.
 
@fredoverflow ah ok I didn't get it the first time
 
I'll ping you when I put Monads into C ;)
Conads
 
I think that Do-notation might actually be more useful than monads for some people
 
do {
    printf("OMG\n");
    printf("C has do notation!\n");
    printf(";-)\n");
} while (0);
 
8:55 AM
@LucDanton yeah I read it whole, I don't see how a visitor can help me with my issue, given in the examples it either performs an operation on the variant (which i don't need) or return a certain type without assumption about the variant type
 
nwp
What do you call an explanatory line of text under a picture? Subtitle and underline sound wrong.
@fredoverflow y u no puts?
 
@nwp as if that helps anything
 
puts lifts C into the 21st Century
 
as if
 
@milleniumbug Those are both keywords in C#. Can we compose a short story consisting solely of keywords in whatever language?
 
8:59 AM
not sure about "as"
oh wait, C#
yeah
@fredoverflow There was one for JS I think
 
@nwp caption?
 
nwp
@bluefog sounds much better than what I came up with, thanks
 
continue this class, or object and break out for new unsafe event!
^ C#
 
@fredoverflow
 
9:15 AM
@milleniumbug The first paragraph is beautiful, the second paragraph is pure nonsense.
> deleted by Bohemian♦ Mar 22 '15 at 15:16
 
I will never understand this whole code golf fad
 
it's your regular fooling around, because why not
 
Ven
Codegolf is fun!
the languages are so different, it's amazing.
 
I'd much rather see more of Rosetta-code style things
but to each their own
 
Ven
both are not exclusive, though?
also, Perl 6 has a lot of amazing examples on Rosetta Code
 
9:20 AM
@Ven no.
 
Ven
I think it's the 4th language (by examples) on the website.
 
@Ven they kinda are. The codegolf answers are pretty much useless. They don't tell you anything about how you could really use the language.
It's only for shits and giggles.
 
Ven
It's not the point
 
Like the whole Perl, pretty much
 
@BartekBanachewicz So you do understand it :P
 
9:21 AM
Except Perl has definitely more shits than giggles
 
Ven
did you cut your pinky on a sharp $ sigil?
 
oh fuck off with perl I don't want to ever hear about that thing again.
PTSD is still strong
 
Ven
oh-my-bartek!
 
let me live my life convincing myself that it doesn't exist
 
Ven
good thing I didn't let myself get convinced language X is bad just because I saw some bad 40y.o. example using it, -.- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
9:23 AM
no, that wasn't it
that was nothing
 
Ven
oh fuck off stackchat
 
the real crisis was when I actually had to use it
if you write Perl code, whatever, you're just a freak
but if you write Perl code that I'll then have to fix after you, I hate you with passion
I hate every single bit of your stupid little fucking mind that made you think you're so clever and edgy to pick this absurd parody of a programming language that wouldn't be enough for a fucking toaster
 
Ven
hihi
 
it's not funny, it's deliberately malicious
people who inflict perl on others deserve to be shamed and, in some cases, punched
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You guys are talking as if Perl and Perl6 were the same language.
 
9:27 AM
I tried to look at Perl 6 after badfold praised it so much and found it just mildly disgusting
so it's probably better than Perl 5
but
a) Perl 5 is still alive and kicking in its Sarlacc pit
b) I couldn't give less fucks about next, slightly-less-terrible iteration of it
 
Ven
I find it funny coming from someone who uses an unreadable language
 
so please, please let's just pretend it doesn't exist
 
Ven
because everyone making libraries for it think they're so clever for using %**!# as an operator
9
YMMV ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
don't make me relive the horror again
why would you fucking do that
do you also casually talk war stories with war vets
 
Ven
and about SS with jews
yes
 
9:29 AM
you're horrible
leave me alone
 
hi
 
Ven
you're the one continuing to talk about perl
yo slap
 
what's up
 
no, I'm not, I would never bring it up
stop harassing me
 
@Ven Don't you know? Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
 
9:30 AM
I swear I'm gonna flag the next message you post about Perl
enough is enough
 
Ven
I only mentioned Perl 6, and you were the one to bring up Perl 5.
 
"I only mentioned Wehrmacht and you were the one to bring up SS"
 
Ven
I'm not going to punch you in the face for having an operator (^@!!), and you're not gonna punch me in the face for using Perl 6.
everyone gets to be happy, and you ain't touching my perl code.
 
Sure, but you also don't have to share you fetish with everyone around.
Respect other people's feelings maybe?
 
Ven
and I guess code golfing is another fetish you find disgusting?
 
9:34 AM
It's like you walked into a catholic meeting and started talking about the orgy you hosted last night
Sure orgies are fun if you're into it and noone is trying to forbid them to you, but jeez get a grip of what "appropriate" means.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So you're like a Catholic? :P
 
Ven
you're as terrible as metaphors as lumers stealing nuts from squirrels.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fuck your feelings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm like a normal human person.
I don't necessarily want to know all about your sex life.
It's gross.
Please can we change the topic please.
I have no idea why I have to explain all that.
 
if fetish involves perl, it's pretty sad :p </sarcasm>
 
Ven
9:37 AM
so yeah
 
Not sure being sarcastic or not.
 
Ven
I like code golf because the languages they use make you think differently
 
There's some deep irony in there if not.
 
Ven
it's an interesting mental exercise
 
sorry, more noise
 
9:38 AM
'we are hardcore c++ programmers, you are such a pervert with your perl fetish'
 
lol, what a verbal diarrhoea, @BartekBanachewicz. How typical you: I do not understand it therefore I hate it.
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Ven
nice :)
 
I would vote for you being one of the biggest geeks
 
@wilx what are you on about
It's absolutely not what I said
 
@Ven lol
 
9:39 AM
stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.
 
Ven playing with fire
 
Ven
I'm not a child scared of words.
 
I like perl BTW
 
Ven
I'm fine discussing with people even if all they do is cry about their feelings are hurt
 
inb4 next thing from ven is "victims of online harassment are pussies"
 
Ven
9:40 AM
you're literally acting like kelly ellis here
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is this sarcasm?
 
Ven
please draw a Ven(n) diagram with "perl users" and "fascists"
 
@Telkitty So do I!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure, but I think it's kinda interesting to view it from that point, so I'm rolling with it
 
Last year Bartek wouldn't say that unless making a joke.
@BartekBanachewicz Ah cool, worldview not shattered.
 
9:41 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean I'm not denying that my view on online harassment changed
 
@Ven No, I know :)
 
Online pussies ^
 
Ven
@Shoe ("hello","world","!!!")^@._2
amazing code, very more of the readable than pler
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those are some confusing edits, man.
 
Ven
9:42 AM
("hello","world") & _2 <#%~ length
tee hee hee
 
I wish we had a fish gif for that
@R.MartinhoFernandes My view on online harassment changed over the last year.
 
@Telkitty who'd want to look at some random pussies, show yours
 
May 24 '14 at 19:24, by Jefffrey
Tried to discuss about the fact that Haskell's library sometimes overuses operators and that leads to unreadable non-self-documenting code, on #haskell. Almost everybody got mad and no one talks to me anymore.
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Ven
That fact surprises me, though. Most people admit it's a bad thing ("but tyeps!!1")
 
@Abyx I took that picture today, not some random online pussies
 
9:45 AM
@Shoe I'd like to see you come up with a name for every single one of out dozens there that would significantly improve readability and self-documenting.
 
Holy shit, that was 2014???
 
The premise that identifiers made up of letters and words instead of symbols are inherently more readable is wrong.
 
@Shoe Oh look, LRiO in the transcript!
 
Boy oh boy times runs fast
 
Ven
"The premise that people are used to words is wrong"
 
9:47 AM
@Telkitty that one below looks at you quite suspiciously
 
Ven
10/10 bait
 
@Ven My guess is that it's a dead horse, so people react badly to it.
@Ven But they're not!
 
🙈🙉🙊 💔
 
That's a nice way to say plonk
 
Ven
nah he plonked me already
 
9:50 AM
@Shoe WOW HOW DID YOU READ THAT
 
Ven
2 days ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I just like insulting people that disagree with me
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never 4get :D
 
I thought symbols are unreadable
 
Nice one
 
Ven
but please do respect his feelings
 
@Ven I hope you don't think I was serious there
 
9:53 AM
Yay new Black Mirror episodes in October
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz don't talk to me when you plonked me!
 
Ven
you're bending the chat rules.
 
saying "plonk" is a nice way to get what people really think when they think you're not looking
 
there is a wormhole on this chat, somewhat messages get bend through space time to reach you albeit being on the plonk
 
Ven
9:55 AM
I never acted any other way.
 
it's a bit too late for that
 
rulebender
 
nwp
@Telkitty aka transcript
 
tru
 
damn why does allegro show all of the items i bought separately
that doesn't make any freaking sense
 
Ven
9:56 AM
too late for what?
are you expecting me to say sorry or something? lol.
 
@Ven oh nevermind I don't care to respond in that thread anymore
 
Ven
better exit the conversation fast
/shrug
 
like they have this shopping basket thing now
 
Ven
@Griwes when is the conference already?
will there be livestream?
 
and despite the fact that there's the 20 item limit
and you can put 30 items in
 
9:57 AM
@Ven which conference, CppCon?
 
and then pay for shipping once
they still show all of those separately
:psyduck:
I guess that's the problem of having both a regular shop and an auction website in the same place
 
Ven
@Griwes that's the one where you speak right?
 
I just wish they kinda pushed the shop agenda more and gave it proper support
 
@Ven I don't think there will be livestream.
 
Ven
aw :(
 
9:58 AM
It's September 18-23.
Recorded videos should follow shortly after that.
Are you already done with C++Now talks that you want those so bad? :D
 

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