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7:27 PM
so
is there like
no guideline to progress
> chute destroyed
woops
 
7:45 PM
So according to my browser, Stackoverflow is not the site starting with 's' that I most frequently visit
It's sex.com
Priorities have changed over summer
 
Ell
Hey columbo
 
yo
 
Ell
Enjoying the freedom?
 
Verily!
 
Ell
of 1st year ending
 
7:46 PM
Mine has been over for two months
How about you
 
Ell
I will never be free
I failed my eng maths unit
so gotta retake
 
SexOverflow.com
 
Bloody Ell
 
Ell
I think I'll be resitting exams for the rest of my life :V
I did alright in every other unit though
 
That sucks dude
Best of luck in the retake
 
Ell
7:47 PM
yeah kinda, but I'm used to it xD
cheers :)
I finished with a 2:1 anyway, so as long as I pass this exam I'm still on a good footing for next year
 
What's eng math?
 
Ell
Engineering mathematics
 
engineering maths I take it
 
Ell
linear algebra, complex numbers, calculus, probability
 
Ven
A brief Yahoo history: 2000: Valued at $125B 2008: Microsoft's $44.6B offer rejected 2016: Verizon buys for $4.8B http://nyti.ms/2aEh3Ta
you rarely see people so hungry to crash themselves into a wall.
 
Ell
7:48 PM
@Columbo what you doing with your summer?
working or playing?
 
Have to do summer work, and I am gaming
And wanking, obviously
What about you?
 
Ell
I'm on an 8 week internship
+ studying for maths ofc
I'm doing c# stuff
 
@Ell That... sounds shit
:3
 
Ell
@Columbo It's part of my scholarship, can't avoid really
 
@Ell That is supposed to be a decent language, tbf.
 
Ell
7:50 PM
plus it's good experience
 
@Ell I see. I hope it satisfies your intellect!
 
Ell
and at least I'm getting paid a little bit
@Columbo meh not really, I'm automating some localisation process :V
but still, it's a slice of real life
 
Real life is like a tomato. Some slices are preferred
I don't know what I just said
 
Ell
ahaha
life is like a box of tomatoes
 
Life is like a train crash.
At least mine.
 
Ell
7:53 PM
aww
that's sad :(
 
Can it be a train crash with hookers and black jack?
Without the train?
 
Ell
a hooker crash
 
My life is like C++: A monstrosity without concepts that is continuously disimproved by a pack of old nerds and to be abused by a range of big companies
 
@Columbo That doesn't sound very modular.
 
Ven
8:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz i.imgur.com/Vws2m.png
 
Bring on the "prestnt"
Inb4 secretly an Ultralisk
. i.imgur.com/6PlRXhI.gif?noredirect is another fun image
Slinks away for now'
 
8:33 PM
I can't help but think that documentation is a genius way to suck up the repwhores so they have less time to feed the help-vampire/repwhore cycle on SO. — Mysticial 19 secs ago
5
^^ Let's see if I get flamed for that.
 
Ven
as a repwhore, that's correct :).
 
I got to orbit and back!
 
How to find questions that are worth answering on StackOverflow?
7
 
@mash Write (or rewrite) them yourself.
 
8:48 PM
btw
I think KSP should really be played with a joystick
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz twitch.tv/scarlettm does this load for you
 
Ven
wtf..
 
Ell
night folks
 
Ven
cya
 
8:56 PM
oooookay I'm orbiting at 800km
this is super cool
 
land on Mun and we'll talk ;p
 
altough the controls and readouts are far from optimal
now I want to get that arduino and build physical displays
I already have 30 LCDs lying around
would just need to hook em up
 
get mechjeb for some useful readouts
 
that's for nubs
does this thing have coop
I can see it being a nice game for a projector party
could use sending telemetrics to other people's machines tho
@Lalaland actually
Why don't we do an artemis clone
read about it and tell me if you think your project could be good for that
doesn't have to be fully functional, just a PoC
 
no coop unfortunately
 
9:13 PM
how can I actually plan surveillance missions
I only see the map in the tracking screen
 
what is this "plan"
just launch it and if it fails revert to VAB and try again
 
isn't reverting kinda cheating
also you lied
just before launch
you can set up the navigation
 
@Mysticial you should
 
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
@Puppy then why is money loss for parts modeled at all
 
9:23 PM
you have to pay a part loss even on successful missions.
the vast majority of the rocket will never come back
 
only SSTOs and similar (which are very difficult, complex beasts even to get into orbit, let alone further) can return the whole thing.
otherwise you typically jettison at least two stages to get anywhere interesting; often more
e.g. to land on Mun you'll typically need a launch stage, an orbital stage, and a lander stage, and the first two may be multiple stages themselves
then you'll only return the lander stage to Kerbin.
 
k 3rd attempt to get to first task -.-
 
to be honest
I'd try to avoid those annoying observation missions
you shouldn't really need to do them unless you desperately need money for a building upgrade.
or you picked the hardest difficulty which is really the grindiest difficulty
KSP isn't really designed for precision in-atmo flight- at least not until fairly close to the endgame
the tourist missions or satellite launch missions are a lot better
 
mmm I did a flyby
 
9:29 PM
what did you flyby? ;p
 
it did work well I think
@Puppy 18km something
actually went past it
I used a solid fuel booster this time, gave me more wiggle room
I'm a bit too high anyway
might need to revert and tone down the pwoer a bit
yeah
 
solid boosters are cheap and have good power but they are not very precision tools
liquid engines are a lot more controllable
and you can have a lot more fuel per engine
 
ah shit
I forgot to take the crew report agai
 
heh
 
@Puppy i have a booster to get me up to ~6km and then I fire up the liquifuel one
 
9:34 PM
can see rocket?
 
it's super simple
big booster - detacher - engine - 5 tanks - detacher - cmd
welp I got a bit too high
7
but got the mission
so I have to land somehow
 
parachute? ;p
 
@sehe Unfortunately, I haven't yet. You wanna be the first? :P
 
I do have a parachute
also some fuel left
so I can brake
 
nah
 
9:38 PM
@Mysticial Nope :)
 
dump the engines and fuel
 
It's funny though irrelevant :)
 
powered landings really aren't worth it unless you accidentally went into orbit and have no heatshield for a normal aerobrake
 
@Puppy i braked at about 10km and dumped empty tank
chute deployed as planned at 1500m
everything looking fine
 
just don't deploy the chute when it's not in the green
that's baaaad.
 
9:41 PM
Jebediah is going home
@Puppy I typically just set the height and let it autodeploy
one less thing to worry about
 
heh
you'll have to worry about it when returning from orbit
 
@Puppy why?
 
because your velocity will be too high if you go straight down
so the parachute will be ripped off your command pod
and boom.
returning from orbit takes some aiming ;p
 
@sehe I'm tempted to post a really stupid finance joke:
> If I had known that docs would flood the rep market, I would've taken a short position. I'm currently long 271k. :(
 
@Puppy oh yeah I did one orbit return already
in tutorial
 
9:59 PM
Ksp is fun
I like to build junk and strap the largest rockets I have to it and try and jettison it to space
 
The solution obviously is to present the upvoter a menu with hundred slider bars - one for each contributor. The upvoter will then need to look at the edit history and decide how the rep from his/her upvote will be distributed among all of them. — Mysticial 17 secs ago
 
lol
 
@Darkrifts I'd think that quickly gets boring
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz okay. I'll be at home in about half an hour. Let me know if you are still interested. I'll warn you that the setup process is ... complicated ... and the code as it stands is not clean. Which OS do you use?
 
Yeah, so I corrupted game files too :P
 
10:15 PM
> We would be encouraging being first to make examples.
@Lalaland OSX
I hope it won't turn into an all nighter
it's 0:15 am here
 
user406009
I have no binaries for osx, so you would have to build chromium/webrtc yourself.
 
user406009
Has the instructions for building.
 
user406009
It will take about 2 hours to build webrtc.
 
user406009
10:18 PM
Well 1.5 hours to download, .5 to build.
 
maybe upgrade your internet? :p
 
user406009
You will also need to download emscripten and rust, but rust will need to be built from source with special settings to enable Rust to asm.js
 
user406009
Probably best to skip Rust if I am working with another person. Rust -> asm.js is so unstable.
 
user406009
We'll use c++ instead.
 
Ven
ew
 
10:26 PM
@Lalaland wat
> you must have websocketpp and the asio library of boost installed and linked in your application.
T_T
did you bring like the whole c++ ecosystem as a dependency
@Lalaland wait
what about javascript
 
> >c++
> >ecosystem
you mean an island of toxic waste from the eighties
 
JS would do equally fine for a prototype, would take a fraction of time for setup, and is actually not retarded like C++
@Lalaland like WebRTC is usable from JS directly right?
 
> not retarded like C++
 
Tokyo knifeman kills more than a dozen - 3 lone wolf attacks in the past 24 hours. In 3 different countries too.
copy cats
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz only the client API is.
 
10:35 PM
what about this thing
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz that's a client library. github.com/js-platform/node-webrtc/blob/develop/README.md is the type of server library we would need.
 
pkg-config
libncurses-devel
libssl-devel
libnss-devel
libexpat-devel
the fuck
why is this thing so demanding to build
I mean that's still vastly easier than the C++ stack
 
user406009
The c++ stack really only needs boost
 
user406009
Websocketpp is header only.
 
10:40 PM
@Lalaland "only"
why does your original suggestion require building chromium?
 
user406009
The main hard part is compiling webrtc/chromium. I can provide binaries for linux/windows, but not osx.
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz that's what that js library does as well. They just provide binaries.
 
IDGI
why is it so complex to set up
I mean a cross-platform UDP server is like 1k LoC
and builds in about 0.1s
 
user406009
Horrible standard.
 
user406009
Blame webrtc.
 
user406009
10:45 PM
I'm fine switching to Js on both sides with that library.
 
user406009
The main thing I care about is having the same language both sides.
 
@Lalaland mmmm
Well, okay
node-webrtc looks stable enough and supports all systems we care about
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz OK. The other main consideration is that we want to be able to share code between server and client.
 
user406009
So we probably want at minimum some sort of loading system.
 
@Lalaland that shouldn't be a problem, right?
 
user406009
10:50 PM
Webpack or something?
 
@Lalaland I'd frankly go with something offline like webpack
jinx
 
user406009
Or alternatively something like TypeScript.
 
Dunno if I care about tyeps
 
you do
 
I won't oppose it but we have to think about whether it's really worth it
 
10:51 PM
Of all the people I know, you're one of the few I can say that confidently of
 
user406009
I forget, does TypeScript include a dependency thingy like webpack?
 
user406009
If so we should probably just use that instead of webpack.
 
@Lalaland I'm not sure, it was a while since I used TS for the browser
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz It seems like it does now. Want to just try that instead?
 
10:54 PM
okay
I mean I'm not gonna be able to do much today
it's getting late
so if you manage to set something up then I'll follow tomorrow, if not then I'll try to get something to work on my end
just push everything
 
user406009
Well, setting everything up isn't that important.
 
Ven
don't Hate dude
 
user406009
The more important question is how to design the networking.
 
user406009
Dealing with unreliable packets is difficult.
 
@Lalaland isn't that like the whole goal/fun/core of it
 
user406009
10:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yep.
 
user406009
 
Super super quick: When using initializer lists, do you use () or {}?
Because I found out you can use {}. And was wondering if there's some standard practice that I've overlooked.
 
@tom_mai78101 Super quick answer: yes.
 
@tom_mai78101 ^ agreed
 
Thanks
 
11:03 PM
Be aware of the initialization traps surrounding uniform initialization before you blindly do it
 
@sehe like a minefield, lol
 
Ven
@JerryCoffin true!
 
1
 
@sehe Not too shabby about that.
But thanks for the heads up.
 
first foray into what Mr. Niebler described as 'an overhaul' of the concept implementation of GCC
> internal compiler error: in satisfy_predicate_constraint, at cp/constraint.cc:2013
 
11:12 PM
> Internal compiler error
Doesn't sound good
 
why 'internal' before 'compiler error'
are there any external compiler errors?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I almost went, they gave my name to go but I didn't get picked :( (Probably cuz im still pretty junior at this 3d thing)
 
I should look into a "ruleset" based conversion of simple languages like this -> FOS-X by using JSON or something like that
@Telkitty External compiler error: u dun goofed and no file found
 
@Mysticial good lord...
 
@Borgleader Doesn't seem too difficult in concept :P
paste.ofcode.org/MdKMa6u6TVLgaeU2dNRFJG This would work for that, right?
 
11:20 PM
@LucDanton "overhaul" sounds like exactly that: toppling things over
 
Anyone knows how to get rid of extension errors in Visual Studio 2015?
__extension__ I mean.
 
Evening
 
What else am I missing? http://hastebin.com/mafasajeha.vala

Other than the fact that __extension__ needs some #define that I can use to nullify it.
If I can put a bounty of 500, I will ask this question.
 
@Mysticial dies a bit inside
 
No wait, 5000
 
11:39 PM
OH SHET WADDUP
HERE COME DAT BOI!
I'm back.
 
11:54 PM
oh great the bugzilla is getting assaulted by spam
 
@Darkrifts who said anything about difficulty
 
@Darkrifts Hey, did the program work for you?
 

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