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10:01 PM
We need to get a Pablo meme going here
 
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@EtiennedeMartel Sanders is no longer in the race at all. They want Trump to win.
 
user406009
Or they just want Hillary to lose.
 
But why? I've seen rumors about how Wikileaks is a Putin puppet, but still.
 
Or they're pissed and don't care anymore.
Or they want people to realize that there's no good choice.
 
Also they leaked SSNs and home addresses and passport numbers of several donors.
 
10:05 PM
Or... Well, we could go on like that for hours.
 
They've put innocents in dangers all in the name of sacred "transparency".
 
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel People really, really hate Hillary.
 
More than Trump?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, giving names and shit wasn't smart.
 
10:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's fucking bullshit =/
 
> However, the biggest accomplishment they’ve gained here will surely be months worth of people on twitter barging into your mentions with a highlighted phrase from an out-of-context screenshot, terribly designed memes spreading like wildfire on Facebook, and more conspiracy theories for Trump to tweet when he’s not busy retweeting white supremacists.
 
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. Some people think Hillary is a prime example of the horrible "corrupt elite class in Washington". That her long list of avoided scandals is proof of how she is corrupt and able to avoid prosecution due to her status, etc, etc.
 
Wikileaks, true heroes of the people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Everybody realizes that Washington politics are rigged and we elect Trump. Thanks Wikileaks.
 
hm I think this is the first legit use of boost::tribool I've seen
 
10:15 PM
What for?
 
stop whatever you're doing
Dorothy's new album is on spotify
it's so nice to hear new music that isn't crap
@Morwenn essentially optional bool
 
Oh.
 
nwp
it sucks to not hear music due to a login wall
 
@nwp then log in?
seriously some people
 
nwp
with the facebook account I don't have, no thanks
 
10:22 PM
@nwp then create a non-facebook account
or create a facebook account for logging into things like a normal human being
 
nwp
uhm... no
 
I never used Spotify either.
 
nwp
if a website forces me to log in I don't use it
especially for trivial things like listening to music
 
ugh "trivial"
@nwp you do realize it's mostly a paid service right?
 
nwp
no, I guess they would tell me after my free login
 
10:24 PM
you can use whatever other platform you want to get music
but complaining about spotify which gives you that ability for free is just beyond retarded
next time you're gonna complain about sites that don't suck your dick when you're using them
or not paying you to
or fuck know what else
I hate entitlement
 
nwp
I think puppy had a point when he said you don't get usability
 
that... was not entitlement
entitlement would be arguing that he is entitled to use Spotify for free.
just not using it is not entitlement at all.
 
@nwp Please show me one place where you can legally get music without logging in
 
nwp
youtube?
 
youtube?
 
10:26 PM
Bandcamp.
Jamendo too IIRC.
 
I keep forgetting people actually use youtube to listen to music
@Morwenn those two are mostly for niche stuff
 
also The Pirate Bay, depending on what music you're downloading
 
most of the artists don't release their music for free
 
yeah it's not really a majority there for legal content
 
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't invalidate your original requirement.
 
10:27 PM
true
 
But I mostly use YouTube to be honest.
 
google.cn back in time.
 
I wonder how much YT pays the artists for their music though
 
dunno
that's YT's problem
 
10:28 PM
no, that's the artists problem
which is very much my problem as well
they need that money
 
It depends on the artists.
 
I'm pretty sure that YT does not pay a lot.
 
But in this case I'm p sure they do
 
If you're full-time musician, then you probably do need it.
 
10:29 PM
but then again, I'm pretty happy with that since the fundamental service they offer does not cost a lot.
 
If you're just a member of a mostly unknown band like me, you just don't care since you don't do it for money.
 
the problem is that the thing that costs artists money, making music, is not the thing you actually pay for.
 
I mean one reason for not using YT is that it streams video as well mostly
which is utterly unnecessary quite often
@Puppy you kinda do, albeit indirectly
 
yeah but I don't have any situations where I need to listen to music on YT instead of my local connection over a cup and string.
@BartekBanachewicz The indirection is the problem.
 
@Puppy it just seems silly
 
10:31 PM
I think that e.g. Kickstarter or crowdfunding is closer to how musical and artistic funding should work
 
and I think YT is super chaotic compared to say spotify
 
not that they are ideal systems by far
 
YT has typically a few copies of the same thing, and it's not always easy to find say a consistent album
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's sometimes a good thing.
 
if I actually cared about listening to music based on albums, I'd just ask Wikipedia what tracks are in the album and then go to Youtube and get htem
 
10:33 PM
@Morwenn nah. Spotify allows you to be random if you want to
 
@Puppy Or you can type « full album ».
 
@Morwenn but then you can't easily save one track for later
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, browser favourites do that too.
 
@Puppy Well if you listen to prog music this is pretty much the only way to listen
 
I don't know what prog music is
 
10:34 PM
@Morwenn What do you mean?
 
Ugh, misread the context.
 
nor do I especially care
 
@Puppy progressive music
it's a set of genres more or less. or rather, specific traits
 
besides
let's face it, I don't limit myself to legal means
 
I never felt like I needed anything more.
 
10:35 PM
if I actually like that shit, I'll probably just torrent it
 
@Puppy that's terrible to the artists
 
Back in time I used Deezer, then it became shit, then I used Grooveshark, but it died. So... YouTube is good enough.
 
unless you actually do send them money alongside that
 
nope
 
@Morwenn well, not for me by a long shot.
 
10:36 PM
and really I doubt that it's terrible to the artists
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think that the « for me » part is the most accurate in the sentence.
 
society as a whole doing that is probably terrible to the artists
me personally doing that is immaterial
 
I think that considering how cheap Spotify is, it just trumps YT in every aspect
@Puppy that absolutely doesn't justify your actions
 
@Puppy those things are pretty closely related.
 
@sehe yeah they are, it's a bit of a tragedy of the commons thing really.
 
10:38 PM
the tragedy being that norms have value :|
 
can you even download music from spotify?
 
Nope. It's not for that. Next question.
 
or is it exclusively streaming?
 
@Puppy you can listen offline if that's what you're asking about
 
(Though you can keep things offline. You can add your own collection too)
 
10:38 PM
I can't imagine paying for a thing and then not being able to put it on my phone and listen to it on the train
 
@Puppy you can do that
 
hmm
 
well there's a 30day free trial period for the premium
 
so what if I did that and then cancelled my spotify subscription?
 
@Puppy you have to log in online every 30 days IIRC
 
10:39 PM
You pay for the service, by the way. It's a subscription model. You do /not/ pay for the content. So you can't expect to take it, in the general sense
 
yeah
 
Soooo... I'll stick with YouTube.
 
so now I'm wondering if there is any music retailing that doesn't suck.
I could use the iTunes store but that's run by Apple and I wouldn't give those guys money if they gave me a blowjob for every penny
 
talk about unreasonable hate huh
but then again who am I talking to
@Morwenn you could at least try the 30 day trial vOv
 
they sell terrible products whose sale is based on irrational consumers failing to act in their own interests
 
10:41 PM
Pretty much every person I introduced to Spotify stuck to it
 
and they steal every penny they should pay in tax
they're fucking parasites
 
@BartekBanachewicz Lol no.
 
@Morwenn why?
 
Why would I?
 
@Morwenn Why not? You might like it.
 
10:42 PM
I'm already satisfied with what I have.
 
that doesn't mean you can't try out something new, does it
 
That doesn't mean I will try out something new.
 
@Puppy I am an Apple consumer and my decision was based on acting in my own interest of getting the most powerful PC for the least amount of money.
 
Also proselytism, so no.
 
heh, yeah
 
10:43 PM
@Morwenn I didn't say you have to, I just said you can.
 
@Puppy And you can trust them to steal your local music, moving it to their cloud and using lossy encoding (yup). And then when you want to cancel your iTunes thing, you never get your own music back.
 
pull the other one whilst you're at it
@sehe Yeah. That thing too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I didn't said I can't, I just said I won't.
 
@Morwenn that's... absolutely not what it is.
 
what it really boils down to is that I trust Apple as far as I could throw their entire company, buildings and all. During surgery. With my toe.
otherwise their offering wouldn't be so bad I imagine
 
10:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Sorry, you can't argue your way against stubbornness.
 
a digital store, pay for content, download content at any time, etc
Steam but for music.
 
@Puppy mmm. That has a different tone than your previous statement.
 
@Puppy Interesting.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why? They're both predicated on a complete hatred and mistrust of Apple.
 
@Puppy One of them makes it about what it really is though, your personal hatred and prejudice, without insulting others.
 
10:46 PM
nah
a big part of my hatred and mistrust of Apple is that I can see how they take advantage of the less intelligent members of society.
 
Do I need to spell out the difference for you
 
and I know that could be me the moment I stop paying maximum attention.
or even when I am paying maximum attention but didn't figure out their latest scam.
 
@Puppy lol
you're like the walking definition of the world "unreasonable", right now at least
 
the only smart move is not to play
 
nwp
@milleniumbug I made a pull request to juci, lets see if they take it
 
10:47 PM
Mathieu Tremblin Paints Over Shit Graffiti And Makes It Legible. Can Word Lens do this yet? http://jwz.org/b/yibu
strangely cool
@Puppy everyone always does
 
but apple is special, because puppy hates them in particular
duh
 
nah
 
I have to really work on not giving a fuck about terrible opinions
 
I hate facebook and google and to a lesser extent amazon in basically the same way.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's interesting to see the diagnostician here
 
10:48 PM
@sehe I was like that not so long ago
 
Bartek do you ever feel like you need to win arguments on the internet?
 
the only advantage Facebook and Google have over Apple is that they rip you off in less visible ways.
 
@JohanLarsson yes
 
which are worse when you really think abou tit.
 
I mean I still have a long way to go when it comes to internet discussions
and bad opinions
 
10:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think you came back from the future to tell us that, so I think you're over-optimistic
 
but at least I can comfort myself that in this particular thing I am not on puppy level anymore
which is progress
 
also lol at, for instance, Google's approach to security on Android
 
so many lone wolf attacks this year
 
Puppy has left "Puppy Levels" years ago.
 
really the only technology company that I even remotely trust is Microsoft, oddly enough.
 
10:50 PM
@sehe which means I'm moving faster than the puppy levels
 
Actually. Puppy left DeadMG levels years ago, more accurately
 
it seems that whilst they often fail, they usually actually try in the vaguely correct direction
 
either way vOv
 
which is a good start.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I guess I can't deny that (yet)
 
10:50 PM
I am pretty sure google is silently collecting your data as well
 
gotcha
Also in other news
if you think Cinder is worth using stop
 
no
@BartekBanachewicz You started so far down it's hard not to
 
Whats Cinder? Is it like Tinder?
 
hahaha
@Mikhail no
 
@Mikhail yes except shittier
 
10:51 PM
On the other hand cider is great.
 
Hmm, do you guys have any war stories about testing user interfaces? I wrote a few system tests but I don't have anything for the GUI part...
I'm thinking about writing software that random calls widgets, but that feels inefficient...
 
how many interns do you have
 
I am the only software developer
 
buy interns
 
100 pokecoins
 
10:53 PM
tell them to use your app
profit
 
The software is free :-/
 
But is that really how you do it?
 
My favorite thing about posting programming jokes is reading all the comments about how technically incorrect they are.
@BartekBanachewicz Remember when I said you overestimated your descent on the puppy level scale?
 
10:55 PM
Im also thinking of writing a framework that print screens the GUI for making documentation automatically.
 
@sehe I'm only saying that because I have to debug GPU driver crash caused by the library internals
 
Yeah. Burn all software with bugs.
Anyhoops, you get credit for being half funny w.r.t the Tinder allusion
 
see I wanted good
I am also going to make a PR to that thing after I'm done with it
at least for the Serial thing
this issue seems way more complex and unfortunately is not in the newest version
 

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