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8:00 PM
Point taken.
Let's move on.
 
@QPaysTaxes It's exactly the same thing. You are speaking to a subset of people while the others are there watching
 
I'll be around in case things get out of hand and there is real suspicion people are abusing foreign language for unethical goals.
 
Didn't your mother teach you these basic things?
 
It's really time for an ignore button. #amazed
Some people are bored.
 
@QPaysTaxes lol it's as if you can achieve that with using another language
maybe try exchanging some primes instead
 
8:01 PM
lol
 
One of the most balanced mix of metal and electronic music I've heard so far.
 
@sehe Brilliant indeed.
@QPaysTaxes I don't care about the reasons. I'm repeating myself way too much. Please don't speak in another language. Thanks. You want to speak in another language then go ahead, just know that it's rude to some people.
Ok
 
@Shoe oh no I'm offendeeeeed
 
Don't be bby
 
I'm offending.
7
 
8:07 PM
@QPaysTaxes I'm a fender bender
 
@Borgleader Brilliant :D
 
@QPaysTaxes He's also a mod on SO
and his avatar is from the anime youve never heard of :P (iirc)
 
@QPaysTaxes ...and his name comes from Naruto.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The top Google result is an anime I've never heard of
 
@jaggedSpire Woo!
Clubmembers are nice.
 
8:10 PM
@QPaysTaxes Sure. For the record, it's like one of the best selling anime and manga franchises ever.
 
@ThePhD :3
 
@ThePhD \o/
 
Which means it sells well in Japan and France and nowhere else.
 
I passed out for a solid 4 hours.
 
nice
 
8:10 PM
France is a country filled with weeaboos.
@QPaysTaxes But especially France, for some reason. They're the second biggest consumer of manga after Japan.
I know their culture sucks so they have to import it, but still.
They abandoned us
No but seriously. I like Jacques Brel.
Oh wait.
He's Belgian.
Well, erf, hmm.
Jean-Jacques Goldman? He's pretty cool.
 
* was
 
rip
 
@EtiennedeMartel Our "alternative" culture is massive.
 
Rest in paraphernalia
 
@Morwenn Well I guess France is dead then.
Nothing but a smoldering corpse.
 
8:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel His latest songs to date were terrible (the bad kind of terrible) .____.
 
@Shoe Riposare in pesto
 
@EtiennedeMartel I thought it'd be Korea, for sure.
 
@EtiennedeMartel NO OTHER LAN... Oh it's italian. Then ok, go ahead.
 
@Morwenn Céline Dion released a new song by him recently.
As long as it's in pesto.
 
What do you think pesto means?
 
8:18 PM
It's good in my mouth
5
 
lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel I generally don't like what Celine Dion does either. Well, I tend not to like French variety anyway.
 
@QPaysTaxes Try applying Italian cuisine to your dick first.
Makes anything taste good.
 
Let's have a replay of carbonaragate.
When some popular French guy made a video about how to make carbonara, with a recipe that has next to nothing to do with the Italian one.
 
lol "carbonaragate"
 
8:22 PM
Speaking of Céline.
Featuring Lindsey Stirling.
Because it's 2016, I guess.
 
Wait, is she the violin girl?
 
The very hot one, yes.
You know who I'm talking about.
 
I think that you posted something about her like a couple of years back
 
My girlfriend hates her, for some reason. I think she's just jealous.
 
She looks like a fun girl to hangout with
 
8:28 PM
Who?
 
Stirling there
 
Ah, well, maybe. I don't know her, so I can't say.
 
@QPaysTaxes Ok, maybe I was a little too jumpy. I'm sorry. I've talked italian here before and I'm pretty sure everybody talked some other language at some point in time. It's no big deal.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Does your gf play the violin? Because that would totes explain
 
8:32 PM
@sehe Nah.
 
This song makes me weak
Fuck you all
 
It should make you weak. Like sugar. It's a swamp of emotion glue.
 
So when I search "hallelujah" on YouTube, YT suggests Lindsey Stirling before Leonard Cohen.
 
Fuck granted.
 
What is this bullshit.
 
8:34 PM
Tailored search I'd guess
 
Hey, @meetingcpp, you broke my last name! :D
Lolwut. Seems he just ran with the broken UTF
 
The best Hallelujah is Igorrr's one anyway :p
 
@Shoe Probably.
 
@Morwenn Link.
I might have heard it before, but I don't index titles
 
@sehe Well, it's the name of the album :/
 
8:35 PM
 
lol, paipol.it (italian pronounciation of "Paypal") redirects to Paypal's italian website.
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, this is so very good.
 
"Asthmatic Kitty Records"
 
It was from some O.C. episode about a surfist dying
 
8:40 PM
"For The Widows In Paradise, For The Fatherless In Ypsilanti" is the full title of the song
 
ye
 
The guy makes great music.
 
@Shoe Check for unicode domain spoof
You mean, it suggests it?
 
user1804599
I want to be happy
 
@sehe Hmm weird
 
8:43 PM
yesterday, by rightfold
I want to be happy.
Consistency detected. This is not like you
 
static_assert tests fail for less-than-obvious reason. I include <iomanip> and they suddenly pass.
 
If I copy and paste "http://peipol.it/" into my address bar it redirects to paypal.com/it. Not sure what unicode domain spoof is.
 
Where's my compile-time UB?
 
Oct 25 '13 at 23:17, by not-rightfold
I’m so fucking happy.
Where did it all go wrong
@Shoe peipol != paipol fwiw
 
*happily
 
8:45 PM
woops
Guess who he is
 
it's you
 
ron jeremy
 
I wish I was that sexy
 
idk
 
You can objectively figure it out p easily
 
8:47 PM
seems to be about the quality one would expect from the 70s
 
user1804599
@Shoe Unicode domain spoof is using different code points with the same glyphs
 
I'm calling your pic a potato
 
user1804599
E.g. Greek lower case omicron (ο) vs Latin lower case O (o)
 
the mustache makes him look like a child molester
 
It was '73
Rightfold should know who he is
 
8:48 PM
Did I get it right?
 
lol
 
lol
 
@milleniumbug Why would you need a mustach to molest children?
 
user1804599
@sehe gender dysphoria and insane queues
 
@Morwenn It certainly helps
 
8:48 PM
@rightfold I see
He is an american computer scientist
 
@rightfold I'm not sure it's completely impossible to achieve hapiness under these circumstances. But hey, you've got better excuses ready than I do :)
 
Very alive still
 
Erlang designer?
 
Actually no
Kind of close
He is linked often to OOP
Even though he doesn't like that too much
 
user1804599
@Shoe Alan Turing
 
user1804599
8:50 PM
James Gosling
 
user1804599
Bjarne Stroustrup
 
@rightfold You got one part of the full name right
 
user1804599
Alan Keen or Kay or something with a K
 
Alan Kay
 
Seriously, fuck that compile-time Heisenbug.
 
8:52 PM
from here
I'm in love with this guy
 
user1804599
My favorite computer scientist is Larry Wall.
 
He really can't put his hands down
 
He could have been in the music video of Beastie Boy's Sabotage. He's got the looks.
 
user1804599
The third thumbnail reminds me of when I set my editor to use a proportional font
 
user1804599
It was so nice
 
user1804599
8:55 PM
So sad vim only supports monospace
 
Heisenblergh
 
The puns are out of hand imgur.com/gallery/Gia6lLo /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
lol
@rightfold monospace is BETTER
(emacs user here)
 
9:16 PM
The argument of monospace versus proportional is settled only given a set of constraints and preferences that are dependent on the individual and circumstance :/
 
turning on a proportional font is a very educational experience indeed
 
in that it will teach you never to do it again?
 
YMMV, that one may be one of the results, yes
possibly you can discover that names are more readable in proportional fonts
but now you can't make ~~pretty~~ ASCII art
 
I prefer monospace when I need to count in any way, or if the output will be monospaced. I prefer proportional when I'm reading because it makes it easier to glance through (because my mind recognizes word shapes better)
 
also aligning with spaces gets broken
 
9:24 PM
Reset of computer ETA: 1hr
I'm so excited to break everything
 
it speaks quite... profoundly if you consider that two editors from 80's are commonly considered to be the best tools
 
pfft
commonly considered by who?
also it's not even remotely profound
 
it speaks that programmers don't really like innovation
 
it doesn't speak that at all.
firstly, I think that the vast majority of text editors are basically equally useful and I particularly think that vi/vim is a crock of shit, but more generally, you're making a fairly blind assumption that there's a large proportion of programmers who agree with you
 
And that we still rely on a language developed in the early 80s...
 
9:29 PM
and secondly, before programmers can like innovation, first they actually need useful innovation, and you're making a blind assumption that new useful innovation in the field of text editors is readily forthcoming and just nobody wants it
and thirdly, for a tool that programmers rely upon heavily every second of every day, innovation is pretty expensive, and it doesn't necessarily have any correlation whatsoever as to whether or not programmers want to innovate.
@Aaron3468 I'm sorry, who's "we"? Bits don't rot anyway
 
to be fair, the input/output devices that make up (most) computers haven't changed enough in the last 30 years to warrant massive changes in needs. That said, touch screens are definitely becoming ubiquitous enough to warrant their own input support.
@Puppy Users of C++; confirmation bias if there ever was any, and the language is technically not the same one developed in the early 80s.
 
well, I don't care about vim either, so the first point doesn't matter
this may also tell us that our environment doesn't evolve as fast as we think it does
 
@Aaron3468 That has very little to do with a desire for innovation. It's called legacy code.
besides, like before, innovating a suitable replacement is not simple; I would know
you're observing a correlation and trying to imply a causation where there is none.
 
typography evolved over several centuries, maybe I shouldn't expect how programming is done to be changing much faster than that
 
@Puppy Correlation =/= causation is a very popular counterargument. I'm not aware I framed it in the context of being a concrete fact...
 
9:39 PM
@sehe I settled on this syntax
~ A B1 B2 ...
where A is the term that gets skipped, and the Bs are terms in which the skipping happens
so if you write a skipper without parenthesis in a rule, it applies to the entire rule
e.g.:
number = ~ () &("."? [0-9]) [0-9]* ("." [0-9]*)?
 
@Puppy Fair point, after all, all the suggested improvements to "programming typography" come with their own caveats
 
(in this case this disables the skipper for the rule number, because it sets the skipper to the empty string)
 
Proportional fonts have as many disadvantages as advantages
 
@orlp Only works iff you require the skipper to be the first thing in a rule and not change
 
sorry
 
9:41 PM
But yeah. That will work
 
I should've said
it applies to the rest of the rule
 
Elastic tabstops are supported in a subset of editors
 
but if that's not what you want, you can always still enclose the skipper inside parenthesis
e.g. number_factorial = (~ () &("."? [0-9]) [0-9]* ("." [0-9]*)?) "!"
 
I actually liked your ~A (B1 B2) ~A2 B3 thing better. Because I think shuffling rules should be easy.
@orlp Oh. So, it's not limited to rules. It's limited to starts of compound expressions
 
yes
 
9:43 PM
@orlp s/rule/compound expression|sequence/
 
correct
it applies to whatever sequence comes afterwards
 
Sounds a bit surprising, but if it helps you write succinct grammars, fair
 
slicing off the first term of the sequence as the skipper
the rest is the to-be-skipped-upon sequence
 
@sehe Nice one, reminds me of the 1 million pixel website
 
line = ~ spacing expr eof
expr = factor ([+-] factor)*
factor = exponent (("//" / [*/%]) exponent)*
exponent = primary ("**" primary)*
primary = "(" expr ")" / number / "-" primary
number = ~ () &("."? [0-9]) [0-9]* ("." [0-9]*)?
eof = !.
spacing = (" " / "\t" / "\r\n" / "\n" / "\r")*
 
9:44 PM
@milleniumbug yup
 
@sehe this is an example grammar for a simple calculator
 
@orlp How does "calling" a rule inherit skippers? Because I think ~ () is awkward
 
@sehe the () isn't a call
it's the empty parenthesis, which is basically Lambda
 
@orlp I didn't say that. Bizarre
@orlp You mean, epsilon?
 
sorry, then I misunderstood
@sehe both lambda and epsilon are used to notate this, yes :)
 
9:47 PM
Isn't the only reason to have ~ () because otherwise the skipper is/might get inherited/propagated/whatever you call it? I thought that was a pretty obvious connection, seeing you are writing this stuff a.t.m.
 
@sehe correct, a skipper applies to everything below it in the call tree
ohhhhh
now I understand your question
 
Yup
 
a skipper propagates down rules
and applies to everything (pre and post), except literal strings
a deeper nested skipper takes precedence over shallower ones
 
Yeah. I think you ought to have a better neutralizer than ~ (), but otherwise looks pretty functional
 
there can be at most one active skipper at once
@sehe you could also write ~ ""
same effect
 
9:49 PM
Maybe something around the notion of lexeme (verbosity sometimes works)
L(...)
 
@sehe for now I'm going to keep it simple and small, leaving sugar for optional later stuff
# A skipper is added. ~ A B1 B2 ... will parse the Bs as usual, but skips any
# occurrences of A at any point in the Bs. At most one skipper can be active,
# in nested skippers on the deepest one is active. You can disable a skipper
# in a nested rule by using an empty A, e.g.: ~ () [a-z]*.
this is the documentation for the feature
a bit shallow but vOv
 

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