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12:00 AM
I also follow about 5000 blogs on tumblr but I don't see all the content by far as you can imagine
 
Ell
I would subscribe to @sehe_curated_blogs
 
user1804599
I don't follow any programming blogs though.
 
Ven
Hi
 
12:18 AM
I here you man, templates are hard, or maybe im just dumb too
 
hear*
 
@sehe i know...
 
@QPaysTaxes That's not what templates are for.
Templates are purely functional.
Clearly struggling is dysfunctional programming. I dunno. Might be purely that too
At least you pay tax
 
@sehe lol
 
:D
 
Ven
12:22 AM
@sehe that myth has been dispelled already :)
 
refp doesn't count. not even at compiletime
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Q: is c++ Template Metaprogramming a form of functional programming

ahalais c++ Template Metaprogramming a form of functional programming? If it is, do some pitfalls like stackoverflow for non-tail recursion relevant for c++ Template Metaprogramming? For the factorial template example in this question, I guess it is standard functional programming. Or the similarity...

@QPaysTaxes Java programmers are literally mastodonts
 
hi
 
Ven
@sehe refp always counts
 
souperfluous letter
 
Learning C++ in 2016 is a bad idea
 
12:30 AM
@Shoe Learn Java instead! Everything's an object, especially when you don't need one
 
Don't mind Shoe. He's from Asia. You know how superstitious they can be with astrological years
IObject
 
C++ is like decades behind any other language you might think
 
@QPaysTaxes sshhh, it would've ruined the joke if I'd mentioned those
 
Also Rust is an excellent replacement for p much anything you might want to use C++ for
And it's not a retarded language with millions quirks and an awful grammar
 
I agree shoe, C++ is starting to show age and hip new languages are eating up some of its territory. Rust is the one I hope eventually succeeds C++
 
12:32 AM
@Shoe Oh it's a bit retarded.
 
Spoken as a true brogrammer who thinks Rust is as hip for the same reason corrosion is popular with metal heads
 
Namely the usage of out parameters and the semi-colon drop.
 
@QPaysTaxes That's because uni's are somehow even worse than C++ itself
 
But yes, Rust has a few... weird syntax choices that make it hard for me to want to write it
 
@Aaron3468 If only they had a preprocessor, so we could fix that :)
Rust is a not retarded language with millions quirks and an awful grammar
(disclaimer: I don't know Rust)
 
12:36 AM
Honestly, I'm the idiot who sees what a language can do, but gives up because it doesn't have a corkscrew for my wine and a blowtorch for heists. I'm appreciating the strong efforts to make better languages, but they all come with pitfalls
 
@sehe Macros are also a bit retarded.
sehe why don't I see you on discord more often
@Aaron3468 Have you tried Wide?
 
Pretty much! Honestly, C++ and Python are my gotos and I'm eyeing Rust and Go because they aren't entirely superfluous reskinnings of C or perl
 
@Nooble Probably because I'm not going there?
@Nooble No kidding. Why has no one told me this before?
 
@sehe Okay ;~;
 
So, wide is... C++ with pre-imported libraries?
 
12:41 AM
@Aaron3468 I don't think I'm good enough to be able to handle C++. Dependency problems have always plagued my projects.
 
Ell
@Nooble dependency problems?
 
When it was announced that modules weren't going to be in C++17, I took a look at Rust.
 
@Nooble Haha, mine too so I think you've got a cute and simple way to solve the problem
 
Ell
Nooble pls don't give up because of that :3
 
@Ell The whole separate build system and #include and everythinggg
 
Ell
12:42 AM
I can help you with deps
 
No dealing in the lounge
 
@Ell I didn't give up on programming on anything.
But Rust is so nice.
 
Because I can write C++ code that works, but I can't get dependencies to play nice with the compiler. Especially when cmake, gradle, etc magic is involved
 
Rice is so nuts
 
Ell
@Nooble I know :3 but c++ is a good language to learn
 
12:43 AM
Oh and CMake.
 
Ell
It will teach you discipline
 
First you're selling off label meds and now you're selling SM?
 
@QPaysTaxes A module comes with some nice information that allows a program to find, download, and import it from the web. Much easier to include modules than it is to figure out how to build/include somebody else's gigantic library xD
 
@Ell I think I got fairly far with C++ with my latest abandoned rendering engine.
 
lol
 
12:45 AM
@sehe Lol.
 
> Add semicolon. - skorezore
 
Ell
@Aaron3468 nooo
I would really disagree with this
 
Teach me (or beat me until I learn) plz Ell
 
> I can help with your dependencies
 
Ell
@sehe I run AA meetings too ;)
@Aaron3468 well in the c++ context modules have nothing to do with package managers
 
12:47 AM
@Ell I've been learning and using C++ since I've first been in the Lounge.
A bit less than two years.
 
Ell
Nor in the python context nor most other contexts
 
And I still suck so muchhhh.
 
Ell
@Nooble me too
But that's not a bad thing
Ive stagnated recently
But I want to keep going
 
Though during those years, I've been learning more programming in general than specifically C++.
 
Heresy. Let me show you the door
 
12:49 AM
That's the one tough thing I find about programming. One word has 50 different definitions depending on what libraries you include, what language you are writing in, and if you like to poke hardware resources. Even a word like 'download' is more of a concept than a definition.
 
@sehe :(
 
Only joking
Only half
 
So I shouldn't be surprised that C++ modules != python modules and Java classes <> C++ classes
 
C++ modules, as far as I'm aware, is supposed to replace the lovely system of header files.
Which is a shame, because I sure did love having to use PIMPL.
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It's kind of sad really
 
12:53 AM
Ding ding ding. That's a nice line
 
Bjarne in 2016 is sill talking about how RAII is nice
It's like C++ is stuck
 
c++ is still the language to know.
 
> Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall tell you why you need a lever long enough to move the world - Bjarne Stroustrop
I'd say that C++ is a great asset in a programming toolbox, along with other languages when your needs require them instead
 
My c++ students wrote better Java code then the dudes doing two Java courses.
@QPaysTaxes Also my c++ course is premium stuff =)
 
1:03 AM
@QPaysTaxes My recently graduated nephew got the Advanced Java II award =9
 
I can confirm. By the third-year, students were still having off-by-one errors and not able to debug code very well. I ended up being an unofficial TA because I had so much prior experience.
 
Oh I have that course next semester.
@QPaysTaxes mhmm
 
maybe TSX V2 will have if (_some_other_thread_change_something()) lol
 
@QPaysTaxes Best in school So I'm gonna say good.
 
@CaptainGiraffe me too ^^ and that's saying something because I'm terrible
 
1:06 AM
So do I.
 
@QPaysTaxes He wrote a scrabble bot that is unbeatable.
I just showed him a few string comparison optimisations.
 
you can optimize string comparisons?
 
Which algorithm did he implement? I know that you can do a simple greedy algorithm or you can try and guess which areas of the board to leave open for easier future gains
 
completely exhaustive for maximum winnitude
 
@Aaron3468 it was like that for me in high school. I told teacher I knew a bunch of languages and suddenly I was teacher #2
 
1:12 AM
@Columbo made a chess bot I recall.
Made API requests to some website :P
 
@doug65536 Haha, yeah, fun times. Of course he was a little impressed and annoyed when I used BigInteger on the factorial assignment.
 
Why can't we vectorize for big ints.
 
@Nooble The dude that wrote tex has a lot of insight.
 
That's ridiculous.
Why would that ever throw an exception anyway?
 
> "relying on methods which might not always be there"
hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
 
1:16 AM
Exactly!
 
Ctrl+Z =9
 
Some sort of optional.
Hold on whattttt.
Oh!
If you have a problem, use C++, then you'll have a UniqueProblemToProblemProblem. /cc @jaggedSpire
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@Nooble muffled cursing
 
Honestly, I get the feeling that most computer science courses teach C using other languages. A lot of the assignments boil down to string manipulation, input validation, basic data structure implementations, and efficient sorting algorithms
Those assignments aren't really as relevant to Python, Java, or even C++11
 
@QPaysTaxes might I ask where you got your avatar? I've seen a few others with the same art style, but I can't place it.
Ah, neat!
and thanks for the link
 
1:40 AM
@QPaysTaxes Hm?
 
or header guards
Which animal should I sacrifice before I upgrade my project to MSVC2015?
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a goat
goats are good
 
1:49 AM
@QPaysTaxes so you can feel its judgmental stare for not already knowing unix
awh
 
@jaggedSpire Thats why it must die, before my project builds on Windows
 
@Mikhail Needed to be the gif
 
1:53 AM
@QPaysTaxes Depends on budget and needs.
Though a Dell Inspiron 7559 is always nice.
And it's pretty cheap too in the i7-6700HQ and GTX 860M model.
 
Lumiix Miix 300 if you need the cheapest windows computer to take everywhere on campus, and then whatever desktop you need.
 
Dell XPS 15 then :P
portable and stuff
 
Or rather, I chose it because my university has proprietary software that is useful and only windows/mac
 
@QPaysTaxes So what on earth do you want.
A laptop that you can use for non-portable stuff :P
Ah.
 
If you game, build one. Otherwise any $500 off-the-shelf model will suffice
 
1:56 AM
for each component, pick a price range according to budget and needs then choose the best benchmark in that category
 
pcpartspicker
 
@sehe why would you animate that thing
 
hence 'and needs', unlimited budget still doesn’t mean you have to splurge for e.g. a huge GPU if you don’t play
 
Throw in an i7-6700K and two 1080s or something.
 
If you game, focus on the graphics card and get a dual core cpu (you don't need more cores yet)
 
1:57 AM
Don't forget a PSU, you typically need one to boot!
 
@Aaron3468 No way on earth you're gaming on a two core CPU.
@QPaysTaxes Not at all. But I mean, can you find a dual core CPU with good single-core performance?
 
@Nooble At the moment most games do not have efficient multi-core code. The biggest gain is a gpu, followed by a cpu
 
@Aaron3468 That is true. Still, however, you're not just paying for core count here--also single core performance and a bunch of other things.
 

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