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6:01 PM
why not use gcc 6
 
that's not true
it's a libstdc++ issue
 
nwp
try sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9 or some other version, maybe it doesn't kill your disk space
apt-cache search gcc?
 
I'm about to do a clean reinstall of the OS :3
I'll feel very clean
 
@Shoe don't forget to backup
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes sudo apt-get update
weird
 
6:05 PM
old version of debian most likely
 
nwp
change sources?
anything interesting in /etc/apt/sources.list?
they probably just have their own servers in that list
 
I think it might be a completely separate project than the previous major version
 
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test -y
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:codegear/release -y
 
@QPaysTaxes ewww, that's old
 
this should get you at least a g++-4.9 package
 
6:07 PM
do-release-upgrade, man
 
meh, LTSes are LTS for a reason
long term support.
a.k.a. super-stable.
not being always cutting-edge is the price you pay for that.
but I don't know why you give such a shit about std::make_unique, it's simple enough to write a make_unique that's just as good.
 
> GCC 6 now defaults to C++ 14. GCC 6 now includes C++ Concepts.
>
> The C++ runtime library now supports mathematical special functions (ISO/IEC 29124:2010)
>
> Experimental support for C++17 features
 
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@Ven I have a wicked idea for iron: for each instruction changed or introduced by an optimization step, emit a comment describing this change.
 
@QPaysTaxes Ah, C9. suckage ;P
@Puppy Well, GCC <5 means constexpr suckage.
 
6:15 PM
@Khaled.K hehe
 
@QPaysTaxes ever heard of dual booting
 
@QPaysTaxes ever heard of VMs
 
@QPaysTaxes That's not "a basic version", that's the whole shebang from start to finish.
yeah but no self-respecting anybody uses array types
 
user1804599
It handles std::array and std::vector just fine.
 
user1804599
lol C-style arrays
 
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6:17 PM
The only place to ever use C-style arrays is in implementations of std::array, which you don't have to write since they're already provided by libstdc++ and libc++.
 
@QPaysTaxes No, the whole shebang supports everything that matters.
std::make_unique doesn't support e.g. writing to the console or making network requests
 
Is there no handy way to create compile-time tests for constexpr assignment operators without having to put them in functions?
 
where else would you put them?
not in functions?
 
1 min ago, by Puppy
std::make_unique doesn't support e.g. writing to the console or making network requests
 
@milleniumbug Like, there could be a handy compile-time test framework or something.
 
6:20 PM
what it's supposed to do is irrelevant.
what matters is whether or not it does what you need.
 
> everything that matters
 
and that make_unique should do everything you need.
it clearly doesn't support network requests.
works in both cases
 
> Well, that's utter nonsense, so before you have educated yourself about the history of Concepts, I don't think I should discuss Concepts design with you.
Classic Ville.
 
that's vile
 
@Griwes Ville vs. Nicol Bolas? That's better than a wrestling match :o
 
6:24 PM
std-proposals
 
Oh, I'm in a situation where constexpr lambda would be handy.
 
...google for it, dammit.
 
> C++
 
because the first two weren't relevant
 
6:29 PM
> std-proposals
> a quote from there
 
actually you could've clicked the second one too
it's the same thing
 
ah man
you referred him to the Asylum?
that's cruel and unusual punishment
I wouldn't be so sure if I were you
 
why is it a punishment?
I find std-proposal hilarious sometimes
also why is it called asylum anyway
 
because it's primarily populated by lunatics saying truly crazy things
 
Pfff, I want the next proposals mailing to be out already :(
 
6:38 PM
> tl;dr?
> Dijkstra: Fuck this.
> JB: Fuck you for saying that.
> Dijkstra: Someone had to.
> JB: Fair enough but fuck you just the same. PS Wanna give a talk in San Diego?
> Dijkstra: This is not productive. PS Sure no prob. Bringing the family over for a vacaysh anyways.
> JB: Whatevs. PS Cool. See you there.
> Dijkstra: Later.
lol
 
Dijkstra's writing is gorgeous as ever :3
Tonight's retardation: apparently you can't have a static constexpr variable in a constexpr function.
Good thing with have typed enums.
 
How would that work
Oh, maybe it would
 
Function-local compile time constant.
I don't see a problem with it.
 
6:54 PM
@Morwenn Does that translate well into English?
 
Not sure.
 
@Khaled.K So good Griwes is not around to break that down to the ground :)
 
@sehe well the feature that interest me in gcc 6 is x86 Segment register support of the Intel architecture.
 
Can you translate that into an English sentence for me?
I'm almost certain the segment registers have been supported since around 1990 at least
@QPaysTaxes You can't really debug a compilation error, right
 
> .. GCC has largely ignored this aspect of the Intel architecture and relied on implicit segment registers.
> ..
> .. Starting with GCC 6, variables may be declared as being relative to a particular segment. Explicit segment registers will then be used to access those variables in memory.
 
nwp
7:02 PM
QPaysTaxes is the victim of pedantry club today
 
@Khaled.K wow. That's funny. Apparently GCC got introduced after 386, extended memory and protected mode
I'm also a bit curious why you want it, specifically. What is the direct gain?
Zero-overhead shared memory offsets across processes?
 
well they promise that it's now more optimal internally on intel architecture, which I'm using
 
That's 90+% of the market right
Do you mean, 32-bit, specifically?
 
I only work on 64 bit systems
 
...on 64-bit, segment registers other than FS, GS and SS are pretty much dead.
 
7:06 PM
Erm. How would you not?
 
just return it
 
@QPaysTaxes wat
 
std::move (and stop using MSVC, venturing a wild guess)
I don't think I was there
 
Changing default values in overriden virtual functions... please no :( — Borgleader 7 secs ago
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes no std::move, just return
 
7:16 PM
@QPaysTaxes This is fuuuuun
there was a question on SO about this recently
let me check if I can find it
7
Q: clang error with std::unique_ptr

NickI have base object called IList. Then I have VectorList, that inherits IList. then I have function like this: std::unique_ptr<IList> factory(){ auto vlist = std::make_unique<VectorList>(); return vlist; } This compiles without problem under gcc, but clang gives following error: test_...

i.e. in C++14 you can return it directly, but with C++11 you have to return std::move(/* unique_ptr /*);
 
nwp
sorry, not enough context
return std::move(...); is a known anti-pattern
 
it is
 
Hahaha, how come I never realized before that a constexpr but non-static variable was legal at function scope?
 
@nwp that's why this is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
 
Cargo culting to death right there.
 
7:21 PM
well.. I'm installing gcc6 now
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes in my defense it works just fine
 
see the question above
 
The Google works in mysterious ways! :) Glad it helped. — izx Jun 3 '12 at 14:23
16 mins ago, by sehe
std::move (and stop using MSVC, venturing a wild guess)
Old compilers be broken apparently
 
yes
@QPaysTaxes yes. no. maybe.
@QPaysTaxes dunno
19 hours ago, by milleniumbug
initializer_list is a broken feature
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes std::unique_ptr<T> t; std::unique_ptr<T> copy{t.get()}; (duck and cover)
 
7:30 PM
lol
 
this kinda worries me
for the past couple hours I've been salivating like crazy
and it feels like I'm constantly tasting something salty minus the actual salty taste
 
nwp
@orlp mad cow disease?
 
(like, I feel it on my tongue)
 
does your breath smell sweet
 
drinking water is no problem
 
7:33 PM
or fermented
 
nah
 
maybe check for symptoms on WebMD so you can find out what other than cancer will give that to you
 
webmd says I have cancer
:D
 
well yes
 
@QPaysTaxes I did just eat some indian food with that one spice in it that I really hate
 
7:34 PM
@jaggedSpire constexpr symptom_t ask_webmd() { return symptom_t::cancer; }
 
think cilantro
 
@Borgleader lol
 
> res &= ~!check(val == i, pos);
 
@QPaysTaxes the reason I mention it is because I've read some things in the past that despising cilantro is related to one particular gene
 
nwp
hmm, there is health.se, but If your question is requesting personal medical advice, it is off-topic and instead should be directed to your personal physician.
 
7:37 PM
@QPaysTaxes vOv you understood what i meant :P
 
using Disease = Cancer;
Disease* ask_webmd(std::vector<Symptom>);
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes that should be taking an array_view, not a vector, especially not a copy
 
inb4 flag
 
@Morwenn Are you French?
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes you are making a copy of the symptoms, that doesn't sound like a good thing
 
7:40 PM
@Columbo Yes. Is it that obvious? ^^'
 
> Le lundi 30 mai 2016 20:58:39 UTC+2, Columbo a écrit
 
nwp
@QPaysTaxes const &
 
@Columbo Oh, I never noticed.
 
@Morwenn So are you in eastern France right now?
 
@Columbo No, it's quite the opposite.
 
7:42 PM
@Morwenn Why does it give UTC+2... nevermind, I'm stupid
 
@Morwenn Le trou du cul du monde.
 
Well, Italy could conquer half of France and Brest would then be closer to Italy :p
@EtiennedeMartel Nan, le trou du cul du monde c'est Tréflaouénan, ou Trémaouézan.
 
@Morwenn Wow, my internal map of Europe looks completely different, with Paris being on the same latitude as middle Germany
wtf
 
@QPaysTaxes You live in Italy?
 
@QPaysTaxes whole
 
7:46 PM
@QPaysTaxes Hole.
 
You ruin the fun :(
 
"trou du cul" is literally "asshole".
@Morwenn On est pas icitte pour avoir du fun.
 
@Columbo Now you say it, mine isn't better ._.
 
French is banned, sorry
 
@Shoe What about breton?
 
7:47 PM
Everything that is not english is banned
 
I got banned in here once for saying "fuck the French". They didn't realize I meant it literally.
 
@QPaysTaxes It's rude
 
@Morwenn Fun fact: here, "Breton" is a brand of biscuits.
 
I know a guy who went to Paris with his school class once, and met this super hot girl, and he just had to ask her out. She rejected him in French, and he understood none of it, but he said it was super hot
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which kind?
 
7:50 PM
@Morwenn Salty wheat based stuff.
 
@Columbo Accent kink? :D
 
No, it's not. You come in a room full of english speaking people and you talk your "native" language to a close subset of them while the other result excluded (unless of course you go an google translate that shit, but 1) it's not very good 2) nobody can't be harsed)
So, no, you speak english
 
@Morwenn French accents are indeed very cute
 
Thanks
 
7:51 PM
@Columbo It really depends where in France. I can't even understand some of them.
 
@QPaysTaxes There's a very animated gif for those that don't get that the first few messages
 
@Shoe Why don't you learn French?
 
@Morwenn Same in Germany. Some of the extreme accents(/dialects) are incomprehensible to me.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because I don't care about french. Why don't you speak english?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, I see.
 
7:52 PM
@Shoe It's kind of an interesting question to ask to someone from Québec, ya know.
 
@QPaysTaxes Good job, I cannot.
 
English has a history 'round these parts.
 
Irrelevant
 
Calm down Shoe
 
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7:52 PM
@Columbo I liked the accent when I went to Jena.
 
The problem is that you are speaking french. We are well aware that you can also speak english.
Then just do it.
And nobody gets hurt
 
lol
I have no idea what background you have, but french is extremely different from everything I know
It's not a horrible thing to do. It's rude.
 
He's a shoe of principles
 
Please don't do that
 
7:54 PM
@Shoe Aren't you Italian? I'm fairly sure it's closer to that than to English.
 
What's so hard to understand?
 
@Shoe Zeur niet man.
 
@Shoe Je ne sais pas.
 
@Shoe So... would you say you were offended?
 
If I take "Mais je veux croissants!" I have no idea what that means
 
7:55 PM
Nice try
 
@Shoe It's not even valid French! It's missing a word.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know. My feelings don't matter here. It's a matter that it's rude. Period.
Me being "emotionally hurt" or me being "almost able to understand it" has nothing to do with anything
 
That site is brilliant though highscore.money I'm afraid it's going to make him a lot of money
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Yeah, it's super rude to casually whip out a French sentence in the Lounge.
 
Just please, don't speak other languages.
@Columbo Especially if it's french
 
7:56 PM
@Shoe What is? I missed the drama. Just point it out, we'll kickbanflag and you ignore. Deal?
 
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unsafe fn in_std_vec_Vec<C, R, F>(cs: *const C, cn: usize, convert: F) -> Vec<R>
    where F: FnMut(&C) -> R {
    let slice = slice::from_raw_parts(cs, cn);
    let iter = slice.iter().map(convert);
    Vec::from_iter(iter)
}
 
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:D
 
French in particular hurts my feelings
 
@sehe We said a few sentences in French.
@Shoe But they do, really. It was rude to you. And, look, I agree with you, to some extent. I'm even talking in English right now. But still, your feelings are at the core of the matter at hand. If you didn't give a shit, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
Yeah that's what I expect. I'll allow Shoe to respond though. Maybe it's more subtle.
 
7:57 PM
No drama, I'm asking please to talk a language everybody here can understand (i.e. english, yes, this is an english site, no I don't mean some other language you pedantic fuck).
 
Sooo. Did someone get offended? Maybe you can just signal a mod? That would be a little bit less disruptive. You can point to the meta post where they say having non-English chats is in principle against the rules.
 
ITT Shoe enforces strict Lounge etiquette
 
Good luck
 
Yes, it's rude to talk a language in a english chat just like it's rude to whisper to someone in the hear in a social context
 
This is about people calming their tits and ignoring noisy neighbours.
 
7:59 PM
I never got offended by whatever.
 
@Shoe Completely agreed.
It's also completely rude to flip off chat users.
 
I'm pointing out that it's rude and that I think it should not be done.
 

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