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2:03 PM
how does bitcoin prevent boom-bust cycles?
 
Something has gone seriously wrong with broadcasting in UK:( 'Mourinho to Man Utd?' has taken over all news streams. [sigh], so many choices available; tall building, pills or gun?
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper it doesn't technically, it has built in fluidity but the amount of final bitcoin is fixed
that means that inherently there MUST be recession where the value of bitcoin goes up
 
theoretically, currencies would gain value when there is a deflation
 
fundamentally you need to have a currency that has some way of managing overall fluidity. Only fiat currency provides that, the major issue with fiat currency is politics and people. It's very hard for a central banker to raise interest rates when the economy is down even though inflation is out of control and they absolutely need to.
 
but no sane country would ever wish to see that happening
 
@Borgleader "repair" they don't actually, they just move your shit onto new hardware if you get it done through an official source
 
ahhh finally turned off shitty video autoplay on FB
soo annoying it plays videos automatically.
 
the problem with this is not shitty video autoplay, it's FB
 
yea I do have a lot of people on there I'd lose touch with if I left FB
 
another excellent reason to do so
 
2:12 PM
@Borgleader I'm glad I stopped using iPhone a few years ago
 
Man. No unrestricted unions for vs2013? What a piece of garbage
 
y u no VS2015?
 
Damn it @HubertApplebaum
 
unions are pretty useless really
 
Not me. I use gcc
 
2:14 PM
just go direct to boost::variant
 
I'll try to push my boss to move to 2015 asap
don't worry about 2013
 
Yeah yeah variant is great etc
I'm trying to improve performance cause I'm bored
 
union won't do better
 
I've been using unions
I'm trying to remove a new call.
Unrestricted unions would help with that
2015 seems sane
 
Ell
What does unrestricted mean?
 
2:18 PM
it means "We apologize for being shit; please permit us to be ever so slightly less shitty but still not actually even remotely good"
 
Ell
@Puppy most peoples goal isn't to lose contact with as many people as possible ;)
@Puppy that was not helpful in any way
Somebody please kick this troll
 
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Q: What are Unrestricted Unions proposed in C++11?

Alok SaveI gather unrestricted unions as one of the functionality being put forth in C++11. Can anyone please explain the semantics behind this and the advantages it provides?

 
Ell
@Puppy can you do the honours?
 
I'm on mobile. Link is probably helpful
What honours
The question answers yours lol
 
Ell
Oh that. Thanks
 
2:20 PM
I'm trying to decide if he's trying to say that I'm a troll and should kick myself, or if he's talking about Hubert way in the past
 
Ell
I'm talking about you puppy :P
 
ah
well in that case, no problem.
 
Ell
It was a terrible joke
 
Lol
 
oh puppy, that was a needless kick
 
2:20 PM
Ikr
 
Xeo
22 secs ago, by Ell
It was a terrible joke
 
it was a terrible joke
Xeo you da man
 
you don't need to kick for that
 
nah, but it was funny
 
Much ping
 
2:21 PM
he asked for a kick, he got one
 
you didn't have to interpret that literrally
 
I didn't have to, but it was worth doing
 
Worth \o/
 
Hey
 
Yeh
Okay.
I can't do my benchmarking work
until I improve Nonius
I need to make it so I can do multi-iteration measurement stuff.
 
2:25 PM
what does that even mean
 
I don't know, I'm tired. /o\
 
What do you think the library does
 
Did you read the docs lol
 
I did. :<
I want to be able to measure increasing workloads, though.
Like, 100 iterations, 1000 iterations, 10000 iterations, 100000 iterations, etc.
See how it performs as things scale up.
 
Xeo
2:29 PM
iterations don't define your workload, you do
 
>
 
Xeo
Whether you do 100 or 10000 iterations of the same work, the workload doesn't change
 
inb4 confused transposition matrices
 
I have a fundamental question.. why its not simple into visual studio?.. when I have an error.. like Unhandled exception at 0x77AAC7C3 (ntdll.dll) in ____.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location

why i dont have the line.. or the function.. where the issues appears? I need to TRACE all line?
 
user1804599
2:33 PM
Use a debugger.
 
what.
 
(it is just an example..)
 
are you a PHP "programmer" moving to the C++ world by chance
or any other condition that would imply you've never seen a stack trace before?
 
Does Chris Okasaki's random access list implemented in an imperative language offer the same performance gain and how could I tell?
 
2:35 PM
Wut
 
the same performance gain as what
a pigeon?
 
hm.. I saw the stack trace.. I know which dll got error..
 
@Warosaurus Who's Chris Okasaki and wtf is a random access list, and performance gain over what
 
=>ntdll.dll!77aac7c3() Unknown
 
a pigeon
 
Xeo
2:36 PM
What's with all these people making no sense? It's like a Cicada overrun
 
@HubertApplebaum as the gains I'm making
@Xeo well tbh
it your fault for not ignoring them
 
As when implemented in a functional programming language
 
@Xeo lol not sure if compliment
 
@Xeo Tempted to start booting asses
 
@Xeo It helps get rid of heavy spikes in the collected sampling data I get with nonius when I'm measuring things that run in... well, nanoseconds.
 
2:36 PM
e.g. that warosaurus guy, he's plonked
 
@Warosaurus comparing performance across languages... oh boy
 
@Borgleader: Hi
 
@PravasiMeet No
 
Topkek
 
@Borgleader: what no?
 
2:37 PM
you only show up to ask questions
i wont answer it
 
@Borgleader why?
(lol)
 
@Borgleader: because you don't know the answers.
 
that's right
 
he got you, borgleader
no way out now
 
show him who's the boss, pravashit
take that borkleader
in your face
 
2:39 PM
at least im not a help vampire. get on moral high horse
 
I always thought pravasi was actually lrio
 
lacks humour
 
@PravasiMeet oh actually, if i dont know the answer, why ping me in the first place? :)
 
airwave is pretty accurate, it does sound like a cold wind
tho that youtube version sounds audibly worse than the flac I run locally
 
> Today's Hours: Noon - 7pm
Horse shit.
I have to wait TWO WHOLE HOURS to get a book?
Outrageous.
 
2:47 PM
you deserve to have the librarian stare in your face
and say
"once you die your knowledge dies with you"
 
@Ell Ohhh I might get that. Since I dont have access to pre-release stuff (i.e. i cant get a head start) /cc @ElimGarak
 
@AlexM. I never understood audio surf.
 
@AlexM. "you piece of sheet"
 
I can't see the connectivity between the movement of the ship / lanes and the music. It just seems like Randomly generated bullshit.
 
@ThePhD Its random generation but based on the song you picked
it speeds up/slows down along with the song
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Oh boy, audio surf. Been a while since I played that
@Borgleader not quite random. it picks the song's frequencies apart
 
@HubertApplebaum daechtech.com
 
@Xeo i guess i should have said procedural not random
 
Xeo
ye
 
@Borgleader bby, that's slated for August of 2016. :D
 
2:54 PM
@ElimGarak i know :(
but eh... vulkan isnt even out yet so
i have to wait either way
 
Xeo
@HubertApplebaum this is good: querymongo.com
 
@Xeo :|
 
@Borgleader ayy, throw std::release_error :D
 
@Xeo hahahahaha
 
@ElimGarak It begins.
 
2:57 PM
@ElimGarak I have a question
 
@ThePhD send me all of it :D
 
"wat": { "$the": ["fuck"] }
 
@Xeo wiat wut, thats like... so much code o.O
 
@HubertApplebaum Yes, I will help you bury your roommate
@Borgleader And it's completely inappropriate, one is not a replacement for the other :/
 
I think I'll write an atom plugin
 
2:58 PM
@AlexM. Adding stuff to your atom will ionize it, bby
 
I can't exactly find what I need here like all I want is
a window or a panel
per project
where I can add buttons in a list and have each execute arbitrary scripts that I define
 
@ElimGarak Do OGL and DX use all SMs by default and is it configurable
 
@HubertApplebaum No manual configuration is possible, but it will gulp up everything the driver is willing to allow at the moment of usage. :D
 
Okay so by default it's impossible to run gl/dx and compute at the same time
 
@ElimGarak that’s why I only ever try to add neutron to my atoms
I know people would object to that, but don’t worry, I’m very careful: I add the neutrons very slowly
 
user1804599
3:02 PM
function bar($stack) {
   var $object = {};
   $object._1 = $stack.pop();
   $object._0 = $stack.pop();
   $stack.push($object);
}
 
user1804599
code so beautiful
 
@HubertApplebaum That's a new piece of functionality added by special GCN hardware (which Pascal is trying going to implement), asynchronous compute. In case of Nvidia, it has to switch context when a compute workload is submitted "async" as it doesn't have async compute units.
 
@ElimGarak terrible
 
Ven
@MadameElyse @object<[_0 _1]> = [@stack.pop!] * 2 o/
 
user1804599
3:06 PM
@Ven XD
 
user1804599
It's generated code.
 
Both Nvidia and AMD GPUs have a dedicated graphics engine (1 for NV, 2 for AMD) in addition to generic compute, but GCN includes n async compute engines which can execute different workloads. With Nvidia, it's all tied together and when async features of DX12/Vulkan try to utilize, the driver has a brain freeze and does it in software by context switching. Workloads are highly parallelized (obviously), but the ability to "parallelize" unrelated parallelized workloads is new. :D
 
Actually I didn't know the compute & graphics engines were separate
What's the difference?
 
There are still some remaining differences between the two, specialized rasterizer units being the most prominent difference (even though they're trying to generalize them). The domain specific nature of graphics rendering and rasterization allows for highly specialized and efficient hardware, improving performance.
 
3:12 PM
When you wonder why your performance is awful and you remember you didn't put any optimization flag.
 
@ElimGarak If it's just that I don't care much if at all
 
This is one of the reasons we do voxelization by bending the graphics pipeline, rasterization is superfast and allows a much faster and cleaner way to populate a volume with data. There is some issue with encoding data atomically in the pixel shader, however, it's a fresh idea.
 
Clean it up! :D
 
already did
it's a photo mid-mounting procedure
 
3:16 PM
@ElimGarak what
 
I think it's aptly sized
I was afraid it'll be too big up until I rolled it out and saw it fully extended
 
stop it
 
:)
gonna pick some more furniture for the opposite wall to host the projector anyway
 
@HubertApplebaum The idea is simple, use the render target resolution to determine the sampling rate (turn on MSAA for precision of sampling), disable depth, in the geometry shader use primitive information to compute wrt to which major direction you get the highest area and project along it preserving orthogonality.
In the pixel shader, on each rasterized point you get information about the new voxel you're creating, use its geometric data to populate the vortex structure atomically.
 
I understood some of these words
 
3:20 PM
Disabling depth and back culling ensures that the GPU doesn't optimize away some of the triangles and introduce holes into your volume. Doing this through compute is possible as well, but the performance differential is astronomical.
 
-fno-optimize-away-triangles
 
ayyy
 
@BartekBanachewicz Instant room cleanup
 
3:23 PM
ayyy burn
 
I'm slightly concerned about the waving though
 
user1804599
data foo (
    (string bool) bar
    (int) baz
    () qux
)

pic foo (int string bool -> foo foo foo)
def foo (
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      qux
)
 
user1804599
IT WORKS
 
it's more pronounced that I've expected
 
OCD in action
 
3:26 PM
it's not OCD, those screens unfortunately have the tendency to wave
i might just add some weight on the lower bar
it has black borders so it's not that noticeable on the edges at least
 
Buy a 4K OLED with a capacitive touch panel.
 
why the fuck would i want a touch panel?
 
one word: penis
 
So you can touch it make sweet, sweet love with it and have an explanation if anybody asks why.
It will only cost you some $13,000. The $10,000 is the touch panel.
Or you can buy a 4K projector, that's only $8000.
 
I want a screen that I can draw on with like
super duper accuracy.
 
3:30 PM
You also get a complimentary plaque that says you're an idiot which you can show to all your friends.
@ThePhD $30k Surface displays from Microsoft is what you want then :P
 
> 400 USD, no tax, for the cheapest one.
 
@ThePhD The $3000 is the only one really worth it.
 
@ThePhD you never said it had to be cheap :P
 
@HubertApplebaum say no more
 
3:32 PM
@ElimGarak Which one is that?
 
27" QHD Cintiq, mind you, it's only a display. Needs a powerful rig to drive it. Great for Photoshop and Zbrush.
 
For the ternary operator, can I return/do two things after the : part? e.g. (l == 0) ? return : disp(x) && dou(y)
 
> tfw 2 shitty laptops is all you have
 
@Borgleader The fingertips are Dropbox for me.
 
user1804599
3:37 PM
for (unsigned char i = 0; ; ++i) { std::cout << i << ' '; } Saw tooth wave generator. :)
 
@MadameElyse unsigned overflow is well-defined?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
Kinky.
 
It's Saturday and my body doesn't want to write code. wat do.
 
Xeo
simple, don't write code
 
3:52 PM
change body
 
user1804599
body breakdown
 
drugs
 
@ElimGarak Play gaems
 
@ElimGarak drink
@mad where aboots in Dutchland do you live?
because there's a slim chance I might be getting a job there :P
 
Play a gaem where the protagonist has a game development hobby and is making the gaem you're playing.
 
3:59 PM
#justmoulinexideas
 
u wot
 
So, if one were to visit Hong Kong, what would one be able to see? @HubertApplebaum @nick
 
currently smog
> 102 Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups
are you an sensitive group
such as SJWs or women
Well there's quite a lot of things to see tbh
mountains beaches whatever
 
Hmm, might be interesting
 
other than that it's a giant asian city as usual so skyscrappers and people everywhere
 
4:04 PM
whoah, people
 
Was there this afternoon with @nick and @Dean
jk @Dean cancelled and went to sleep and @nick was working because he's a ****
I went with REAL FRIENDS you hear me
 
shhh bby~ can you hear it? it's the sound of loneliness~
 
my memes
I will now charge per use $$$$$$
 
lol, same accomodations in Hong Kong for 3 nights cost 6 times as much as the one in Wroclaw.
 
not for long old man
 
4:09 PM
accomodation is the only really expensive part of HK though
p much all the rest is cheaper than in France / Germany (don't know about the rest of europe)
food is cheap, transportation is cheap
yes that counts as "all the rest"
 
Them chinks like density.
 
No, HK is particularly dense
Cross the border and it's not like that anymore
Other big chinese cities are also way sparser
 
I noticed in Casino Royale I think they still had flip phones
 
My favorite scene, goddamn. Ayyy.
Lighting is intense.
 
4:20 PM
pixal shaders
 
Oh, or the DB5 scene. That was intense as well.
 
Oh there's a follow up video.
Everything is fine.
Nothing to see here.
 
well...i didnt believe it but its on wikipedia so it must be true :P /cc @Rapptz
 
One of the most disturbing things in the days of old how they had auditoriums for procedures.
And they were the equivalents of the "I have no idea what I'm doing" dogs.
 
4:37 PM
@Borgleader Oh yeah, that guy. He was really popular at the time because you generally don't want amputations without anesthetics to last long.
 
tubyube is garbage
Pity the fool who tries to build business on top of tubyube
 
IIRC he was among the first ones to use anesthetics when they became available.
 
Start Fallout 4. Remember you don't like it. Quit Fallout 4.
 
@ElimGarak lol dunno man I haven't done much exploring tbh
 
@Borgleader Gotta say, you must have skills to make a procedure have a mortality rate above 100%
 
4:43 PM
@HubertApplebaum huh thats odd because i was working and not with you
 
@nick he said that the line above that one =/
 
well then that's a self-contradiction
 
@Cat do you know typeforwarding in c# well?
 
@LucDanton if you've got a structure A and a function that does A -> A, does it make sense to call it lifting if you want the function to work on B -> B where B has A as part of it?
based on the definition I see here it makes sense but in all of the examples ever the relationship between B and A is ultra-obvious
 
Running benchmarks to complete a proposal... what have I done? ç____ç
 
4:56 PM
e.g. map on a list
and by structure I mean something defined via data
 

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