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user1804599
9:00 AM
I work with people who are software developmentally KO.
 
Ven
lol
@Zoidberg find a new job. that doesn't involve PHP and Python.
How I want to learn to use your new product: 1. Text on website 2. Text on paper … 2428. Spraypainted on side of cow 2429. Video tutorials
 
Hi guise
 
user1804599
@Ven There are no companies nearby.
 
Ven
salut frer
 
user1804599
They must also not be transphobe.
 
user1804599
9:06 AM
@Ven nor JavaScript.
 
user1804599
Fuck JavaScript.
 
Ven
best instruction: umad
 
user1804599
> we live in Illinois which has the highest state income tax rate[wallethub.com] in the US at 5%
 
user1804599
what. 5%.
 
user1804599
In NL it's one of 36.5%, 42%, 42% and 52%.
 
9:12 AM
that's the state cut... that might be on top of federal
 
user1804599
(lol no flat tax)
 
but I still doubt it's that much
 
user1804599
@thecoshman oh I see
 
besides, in Netherlands, you have nicer services
@Zoidberg I'm guessing
 
user1804599
Nicer services but a far worse welfare policy.
 
9:14 AM
Lol, the dude at work that did the "using local variable address outside of said variable scope" shit is flaming on some shit
I could troll butt I'll restrain myself
 
@Zoidberg what is it, roughly?
 
user1804599
You come in here and instantly get a lifetime welfare without having to work ever.
 
Ven
can someone please answer this for me?
 
@Zoidberg ah, worse from that pov :P
 
Ven
oh, it's the same guy as before
 
user1804599
9:16 AM
@Ven lol what the fuck
 
Ven
it's the guy that insulted my mom. because I didn't add private properties
 
user1804599
> and YOU close the tickets one by one!
you do not develop language!
 
user1804599
> developers coffeescript buried his language. well. then I'll do a fork and show you how to do languages. girls.
 
user1804599
> girls
 
user1804599
you should report this to GH for misogyny and the GH SJWs will gladly ban him
 
user1804599
9:17 AM
(serious)
 
@Ven Just answer smth like "That's very misogynistic of yours" that would enrage him
 
user1804599
don't feed troll
 
Ven
I just closed issue
 
Yeah SJW can do that work for him, you're right
 
Ven
I should've answered with that comment though, yer right.
 
user1804599
9:21 AM
> but you're too old and not daring to innovate!
 
user1804599
lol says the infantile fool
 
user1804599
nice ad hominem
 
hello.. i am trying to find which one was not linked.
Error:
error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: enum buzz::XmppReturnStatus __thiscall buzz::PresenceOutTask::Send(class buzz::PresenceStatus const &)" (?Send@PresenceOutTask@buzz@@QAE?AW4XmppReturnStatus@2@ABVPresenceStatus@2@@Z) referenced in function "public: void __thiscall CallClient::SendStatus(class buzz::PresenceStatus const &)" (?SendStatus@CallClient@@QAEXABVPresenceStatus@buzz@@@Z)

The constructor declaration of PresenceStatus is okay in PresenceStatus.h , I have referenced both of the files (PresenceStatus.h & .Pre
 
@Ven lol
 
@Anirban No you aren't, otherwise the compiler wouldn't spit in your face
 
9:25 AM
This test has been running for over an hour.
Contemplating canceling it.
 
Then how to do it right way ? 3 possible reason: not defining something, not linking something, not implementing constructor.

Which one the error is pointing at ?
 
Ven
@ThePhD contemplate looking at floofs instead.
 
@ThePhD CANCEL IT
 
But what if it's like
almost done, man.
 
@Ven can't you flag him like we do on SO?
 
Ven
9:30 AM
@slaphappy I can. his previous account got banned already because he insulted my mom
but I cba this time. just locked it.
 
user1804599
 
It's funny he would consider "girls" to be an insult
 
A test? A single test? For an hour? Murder it out of existence.
 
All women I worked with in the field (including students) were like in the top 20%
 
IT FINISHED
\o/
 
user1804599
9:31 AM
@Ven different post
 
@ThePhD yay, now delete it
 
Ven
ah, sorry - thanks then!
@slaphappy and I strongly believe it's because they have to be much stricter about their work, otherwise they wouldn't be taken seriously at all (comparatively)
 
Why is std::map so bad tho
 
Ven
> Scala is more important to Lightbend’s products and strategy than ever before
they said "than ever before" > this blog post is shit.
 
user1804599
Yeah obiviously.
 
user1804599
9:33 AM
Lightbend is brand new.
 
@ThePhD dammit, I can't see the typenames
 
Oh, sorry.
 
@Ven Yeah, I guess. But still, the numbers.
 
Cool :)
 
Ven
numbers don't mean shit : ^)
 
Xeo
9:34 AM
@ThePhD cuz it's still a list (node-based) in the end?
 
user1804599
You need units to make them useful.
 
Xeo
just with extra bookkeeping
 
I mean it's not like it's the case for all "programming minorities"
 
Ordered insertion (e.g., shit in the middle on occassion) is faster than both std::map and std::list.
 
user1804599
I'm a programming minority. Almost all programmers are not me.
 
9:34 AM
idk what's going on.
 
Ven
i have no clue what you're talking about. that paper looking at github contribs and claiming women > men at code?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD You have to get to the middle of those first, tho
also, vector has linear memory blocks. it's just fast.
 
@Zoidberg not a lot of alien talking seafood in the field
 
I guess lookup would be fast.
This is only measuring insertion.
 
user1804599
@slaphappy misrightfoldist
 
9:35 AM
Now I have to run the deletion tests for sizes 100, 1000, 10000, and 100000.
 
Lookup is meh.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Maybe, maybe not
 
@Ven no, my personal experience. I don't care about this stupid paper, it's stupid
 
Xeo
don't underestimate linear memory searching
 
I mean, I don't understimate it
 
user1804599
9:36 AM
 
user1804599
I want this umbrella.
 
Ven
@slaphappy okay, good :). Well, it's my experience as well
 
user1804599
It's funny.
 
But I figured at 100K elements it'd fall the fuck off.
 
Xeo
unordered map is a bit better in that regard, just more memory usage for the book keeping
 
9:36 AM
@Xeo or else?????
 
Xeo
@ThePhD lol 100k
that's nothing, y'know
 
@Zoidberg what is funny
 
your face
 
I don't have enough space on my machine to do 20 million.
Or enough time.
 
user1804599
also lol suddenly the hose is gone
 
9:37 AM
@Zoidberg oh I missed that
 
@Ven for instance gay dudes suck at programming, see @HubertApplebaum for instance
 
they suck at other things too
 
100K with 25 samples took me over an hour. u.u;.
 
MICRO AGGRESSION
 
Ven
@slaphappy shots fired.
@HubertApplebaum it's pretty macro at that point
 
9:38 AM
@ThePhD you can keep your tests <1 second.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD That's ~152MB, assuming 8 byte std::size_t, for std::vector. :P
 
@Ven that’s what he said
 
You really don't need so many samples to see where things are going.
 
yeah
use nonius
 
I am qq
 
9:39 AM
hey speaking of seafood I now know how to say seafood in cantonese! useful
 
user1804599
I'm a bisexual transgender programmer with autism.

Beat that.
 
ew get outta here
> programmer
 
you get 12 billion operations a second. 10 seconds ought to be enough for everyone
 
@Zoidberg you're a programmer???
 
9:39 AM
kick him/her/it/them
 
user1804599
@slaphappy no I get one operation per lifetime
 
no programming allowed
 
@HubertApplebaum write it?
 
user1804599
It involves what once was the room's topic.
 
@Zoidberg stahp
 
9:40 AM
海鮮
 
TY
 
Litterally sea-fresh
 
This is booty. Why is vector good at everything.
 
it isn't
 
9:41 AM
@ThePhD is positional delete delete by index?
 
@slaphappy Yes.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD cuz not node-based~
 
@ThePhD lol, of course set sucks at it
 
user1804599
@HubertApplebaum build me a wall and gemme some babi pang pang.
 
CPU is good at dealing with arrays.
 
Xeo
9:42 AM
Also, try unordered_set
:D
 
But muuuuuhhhh.
 
Also flat_map
 
@ThePhD you should compare search-delete to be fair
@ThePhD or delete by iterator
 
Xeo
@slaphappy that's the same as indexed, for a vector
 
@ThePhD Btw, did you read Scott Meyers' blog post on node-based containers?
 
Xeo
9:42 AM
really
 
@Xeo yes, but not for set. it's not fair for set.
 
Xeo
right
 
@StackedCrooked No, is it somewhere? I can use it as a reference in my writeup titled: "Everything is booty except std::vector".
 
Xeo
vector's still gonna rock the benchmark though, I expect
 
the use case you're profiling matches nothing we use in real life
 
@slaphappy Hey, it's Bjarne's homework, not mine. vOv
 
@ThePhD that's homework?
 
> error: a nested namespace definition cannot have attributes
 
@slaphappy Yeah.
 
iow you can namespace [[whatevs]] foo {} but not namespace [[whatevs]] foo::bar {}
 
9:46 AM
lol
 
which seems very useful
 
and I make my students code snake games
 
So I wrote a template ordered<T, Comp, Container>
I can't really use unordered_set because there's no concept of... well, order?
He says try "map" but map has a key/value, so I just assumed he meant set.
 
Ven
@slaphappy you're a terrible person!
 
@Ven and you... change colors all the time
 
Ven
9:50 AM
@slaphappy the really fun part is that the color you see next to my messages isn't the color I have next to my textbox.
 
user1804599
> NASA Research Suggests Mars Once Had More Water Than Earth’s Arctic Ocean
 
user1804599
dat conclusion
 
that flag list
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg What if we originally came from Mars, but escaped to Earth because we fucked up the climate and atmosphere?
6
 
9:57 AM
then at some point the guys lost the schematics for the spaceship, and those guys really suck
 
user1804599
Away with the away-with-us mentality.
 
how do you clise deal with the color color problem ._.
 
rgba color :B
 
you suck
I meant in general not this specific case
omg I'm never asking questions in Lounge again!!1
:doorslam:
 
@HubertApplebaum color color.
 
10:01 AM
color m_color;
 
C++ deals with it pretty fine
 
color color_;
 
you probably have a suffix for members
 
@slaphappy Some compilers shit themselves, actually.
 
@slaphappy no? :o
 
10:02 AM
@ThePhD really? O.o
 
I don't think it's standard cpp.
I remember coming across this some time ago, lmao.
WHen working in VS 2012-ish on Furrovine with color color;
 
the identifier name is bad thou
that's the real issue
you suck;hth
 
you're welcome. remember you can still be a good programmer if you work extra hard
 
and what do you use for indentation, spaces or newlines
 
10:04 AM
also, which compiler? I never had issues with gcc or vc
 
I don't think vc qualifies as a compiler
Actually it must be 2012 because 2013 accepted it just fine
I need to update my memories
 
don't use more spaces than needed, they use up memory in your program
 
So really. All of my std::unordered_map/std::map's for things that are like
never going to have more than 250 elements IN A BIZARRE SITUATION
are just wasteful as fuck
 
you can switch on "word wrap" on you text editor if you don't like scrolling horizontally
 
and I should just be using ordered<T>
 
10:05 AM
I just plug a motor to my mousewheel
 
I haven't used any of my Raspberry Pi's yet.
2
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum now now, don't pull a robot
 
if buses are involved it's called pulling a domagoj
 
user1804599
@ThePhD Me neither. I have also already used all of them.
 
user1804599
10:08 AM
doorslamhappy
 
user1804599
triggerhappy
 
#trigger
 
text-align: justify pls
do you even codes
 
@slaphappy ಠ_ಠ
 
10:09 AM
omg it's griwes
 
@Griwes that settles the tabs-vs-space debate.
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
btw, it's a very small programs that generates a BMP files. BMP files are very simple and fun!
 
Lmao
This is so dumb
I'm not even goddamn reserve-ing in the vector
and it's trashing everybody
What happens when I add a reserve? Do I just get 0 nanoseconds then?
 
there's a bug in this program thou
 
Ven
10:13 AM
"C#/C++ Proof of Concept Developer" lol
 
what :(
is my resume stupid
because I just sent it to a recruiter
why couldn't you stalk me a little bit earlier
 
user1804599
What do you call a database administrator who recklessly creates triggers?
Trigger-happy.
 
user1804599
@slaphappy bad code
 
@Zoidberg whatever
 
Ven
@slaphappy you didn't realize I was that recruiter?!
 
10:15 AM
@Xeo also poison pill declarations are supremely annoying when they involve more than one parameter cos then what am I to do, write the 4^n or 3^n overloads?
 
@Ven no but really
 
Ven
hahaha
 
if it sounds dumb tell me
 
Ven
im so gunna connect wiff u
 
@HubertApplebaum most of my types are named foo_type which is dumb but what is one to do
 
10:16 AM
@LucDanton might as well want to go with foo_type_t for extra safety
 
I do _t cuz fuck posix
 
séroposixtif
 
Cfoo_type_t
 
I guess then my version of the same problem becomes foo_type f = foo(); in which case my advice is to do color c;
 
lol
tu ferais bien en intermittent du pestacle
 
10:17 AM
(when I name something foo_type it’s the result type to a foo factory so…)
 
we have a guy here who used THISCASINGConvention
I hope he's dead
 
@Ven are you noting all these death threats
 
@slaphappy EVERYTHINGBUTTHELASTWord?
 
yeah
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum always
 
10:18 AM
it takes dedication to come up with something like this I’m sure
 
"I really, really want to do something different"
 
why not throw in a couple _ for breathability
 
we had a GRIDSERVERDISTRIBUTIONService
 
Damn
 
I renamed it
 
10:19 AM
ROBERTService
 
Sorted vector are OP.
 
Ven
@LucDanton funny how "dedication" is often an alias word to "stupidity"
 
I'm about to switch all my implementations to it. .-.
Also, question:
#if PTRDIFF_MAX == INT64_MAX
Good, standardized way to check for 64 bit?
 
user1804599
std::multiset
 
how do you one-up this case, OddsANDEvensCASE?
it helps separates the words while cutting down on character count, no underscores!
 
10:21 AM
@ThePhD sizeof(void*)
 
@Zoidberg why is it bad thou
 
user1804599
template<typename It>
void multiset_sort(It begin, It end) {
    std::multiset<typename std::iterator_traits<It>::value_type> set(begin, end);
    std::copy(set.begin(), set.end(), begin);
}
 
BOOST_IS_SIXTYFOUR_BITS
 
@LucDanton FoUrTeeNYeArOlDGirLCaSe
 
user1804599
@slaphappy not formatted very well
 
10:22 AM
@slaphappy .blogspot.fr
 
@Zoidberg ...
 
user1804599
???
 
@HubertApplebaum Can't preprocessor sizeof() stuff, unfortunately.
 
@HubertApplebaum .skyrock.com
 
user1804599
Did you hit alt+Q?
 
10:23 AM
no but I hit on your mom
 
Ven
damn, savage
 
@slaphappy or alternatively, BaSkEtCaSe
 
std::string tmp = data_ext->GetString(f->GetID()); // avoids reference to temporary
WriteODEField(writer, field, 0, tmp );
 
Ven
damn u r fired
 
well avoided
 
10:25 AM
is this me or the guy's braindead
am I missing something
 
what is that supposed to do
 
@slaphappy data_ext was the temporary, maybe?
 
I’m gonna assume there was once a compiler warning, but by writing the above line the warning disappeared. So, job done.
 
Oh, wait.
tmp, duh.
 
probably not const
 
10:26 AM
I'm betting GetString returned a non-const reference or something.
 
user1804599
I hope Go is suitable for the next project.
 
@Anirban the message clearly says the definition of public: buzz::PresenceOutTask::Send(buzz::PresenceStatus const &) is missing, not the constructor.
 
user1804599
Go is fun.
 
> void EQDXMLWriter::WriteODEField(CorrelTools::XMLwriter& writer, std::string& field, size_t seq, std::string& value)
@ThePhD no, that wouldn't make him angry. it's the binding to the mutable reference
 
Ven
@Zoidberg it doesn't even have function composition :[
 
10:29 AM
he could at least have given it a decent name
 
Ooh.
That seems liek EQDXMLWriter's fault.
Those should definitely be const qualified.
 
yeah. I fixed it
although the whole namespace belongs in /dev/null imo
 
user1804599
@Ven Good. One less thing to worry about!
 
@slaphappy lol
@slaphappy first it's std::size_t
 
Ven
@Zoidberg you.. worry about function composition?
 
user1804599
10:33 AM
Also you can do function composition just fine.
 
user1804599
For example, func(x int) int { return f(g(x)) }.
 
in scala you can do function composition.
I'm on drugs.
???????
 
VS crashed again
 
Ven
@Zoidberg you just went full retard
 
user1804599
?????
 
Ven
10:34 AM
never "go" full retard.
 
user1804599
Go is so much fun.
 
user1804599
I love it.
 
Ven
"if you want to compose functions, just write a new wrapper every single time!"
okay m8. wait you're not actually joking?
 
how's my rightfold impression
 
user1804599
No, of course not.
 
user1804599
10:34 AM
Go is a great and underrated programming language.
 
Ven
@slaphappy pretty good
 
@Zoidberg actually true work of genius
 
Ven
@slaphappy not sure how to star this, though
 
@Ven you click on the little star icon on the right
 
Ven
@slaphappy well, but your "how's it" message is too far from the actual impression.
 
user1804599
10:36 AM
I don't care that I have to write more code every now and then.
 
#ifndef TRUE
#define TRUE (1 == 1)
#endif
#ifndef FALSE
#define FALSE (0 == 1)
#endif
not a joke
 
user1804599
Give me an equally fast compiler, an unconfigurable formatting and import management tool, and green threads, and then we can talk.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton exponentially explosive fun!
 
user1804599
I find those far more important than murburhurtwocharacterfunctioncomposition.
 
"go is good because the formatter is not configurable"
 
user1804599
10:38 AM
That is not the reason. It is part of the reason. Please don't strawman.
 
those are all secondary properties
it's like "the iphone is great because there's this app"
 
user1804599
Yes, that's what you've just done.
 
"linux is better for programming because the .h and .lib end up in a folder that's already in the search path"
 
user1804599
Yup, same thing you just did.
 
user1804599
You are giving many good examples of the mistake you made.
 
10:41 AM
"I go meta on every discussion because I can't defend my view"
 
user1804599
???????
 
oops no this one was you
 
:3:3:3:3:3:3:3
 
user1804599
I can defend my view just fine. I've done it many times.
 
user1804599
I like Go because I find it fun to program in.
 
user1804599
10:42 AM
I enjoy it. That's why it's IMO good.
 
user1804599
I'm a hedonist Go programmer.
 
user1804599
Hedonism-driven development.
 
@Zoidberg That's a much more reasonable opinion, imo.
 
user1804599
Lack of features is in ways unfortunate but it's never bothered me a lot.
 
I have trouble typing because it's so cold
 
10:46 AM
@melak47 The definition is present at Presentouttask.cc , that's why the confusion. :(
 
@Anirban check const, the whole signature, etc. You've likely made a mistake somewhere.
 
I guess so. I knew single '&' was for address with a variable, double & for conditional operator. But, why single '&' can be used as a function parameter ?
like
PresenceOutTask::Send(const PresenceStatus & s)
 
I missed that there was a brief attempt at reviving noexcept(auto); brief because it was shot down quickly
 
@Anirban & as part of a type means reference. I think you have some reading to do :)
 
AFAICT though none of the papers tackle this situation—which should serve as your daily reminder that everything sucks
 
10:56 AM
@slaphappy :(
 
the SFINAE argument is weird, too, in that both Clang and GCC are only too happy to perform SFINAE when needed without complaining about the exception specification
 

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