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12:08 AM
std::good_morning("Loungers!")
 
std::loungers("Good morning!");
 
mornin'
 
Mon 11:11 am
@Telkitty Where is there?
 
Sydney/AEDT
 
Ah, a beautiful country.
 
12:15 AM
how many people here use a full home stereo?
 
Oh fuck, the branch I just merged will probably cause huge conflicts with another branch.
 
oh fuck indeed
 
Merge is pain in the ass.
This comp still uses SVN, which causes more pain in the ass than Git does.
Destroying my ass.
 
12:36 AM
 
aw :)
 
@Telkitty A raccute :D
 
I know, right? Not even a red panda! :p
 
I prefer raccoons anyway :p
 
sup
nerds
 
12:46 AM
your face is a nerd
sup
 
@Borgleader @StephanTLavavej For something like vector<char> op== with 1kb buffers I saw improvements around 10x
give this man a cookie
 
> .@MalwareMinigun just checked in a perf fix that was on my todo list for years - equal() and lex…compare() now aggressively call memcmp().
 
1:10 AM
oooooh
 
@Borgleader or a link to a game where he can make his own cookies
 
@HubertApplebaum heya
I tried Reaper
100% balanced
 
Wait wait I need to bring my sarcasm engine up
 
@HubertApplebaum The audio thing?
 
So how is it
 
1:12 AM
well
 
@Borgleader The GW2 elite spec
 
when I played Thief and Ele I kinda hovered around to spike people before pulling back and recharging
worked pretty well
 
@HubertApplebaum Oh, ofc, what was I expecting -.-;
 
make a step into a PvP match with my huge Norn necro and everyone is on me like glue
 
Apparently libc++ doesn't use std::memcmp at all in algorithms. VC++'s library > libc++.
 
1:14 AM
well if you play condi necro in pvp people are gonna focus you #1
surprising I know
 
why though
Reapers have stab
100% serious
it went really, really well (probably cus I have more exp on necro than thief/ele)
 
I'm not entirely sure actually, back when I stopped GW2 it was because group condis were the biggest threat so necros got pinned down p quickly (in WvW too)
 
also it’s kinda funny how both condi and power reapers all pick the same utilities
@HubertApplebaum of course, but that’s not the case currently
they’re strong mind you, but more for the CC/corruption point of view imo
 
hence my "not entirely sure" as you can see
plus there's a lot more condi cleanse now IG
so idk
 
when I was on thief I tried to unload on mesmers (that didn’t change) but on necros I prefer to CC
 
1:17 AM
I have no idea tbh
But probably OP
back in my days it's when condi necros figured out corruption was a good thing
instapinned
 
1:35 AM
ooooh
 
@Borgleader Time for a drive-by (paint) shooting.
 
someone put a const field member in this class
this isn't a game
I can write annoying classes too
 
Lmao
const member fields.
 
Non-mutable lambdas.
 
1:51 AM
So
I have a benchmark
where I want to measure the cost of putting N random integers in order into something
and then take N random integers out.
 
@ThePhD you want to want?
 
so meta
 
Problem is, I can't separate them in Nonius, because benchmarks are multithreaded and I can't see a way to make them depend on each other.
Perhaps I could thread_local some variables and try that way?
Or perhaps condition variable some of the benchmarks.
 
user406009
Doesn't nonius allow you to have setup and tear down for the benchmarks?
 
2:00 AM
@Lalaland Pretty sure it does, it was needed to benchmark things like destructors and constructors (iirc)
 
user406009
I was looking more at the meter.measure thingy.
 
user406009
@ThePhD I would create two functions. One for the adding and one for the removing.
 
user406009
Then create two benchmarks.
 
I have that.
Nonius benchmarks are multithreaded.
 
user406009
One where you call function A inside the measure and the other where you call B inside the measure.
 
user406009
2:02 AM
Both benchmarks contain both A and B.
 
Oh.
You want me to make it so they're both in there.
Well, who needs these to finish in a timely banner AMIRITE \o/
 
@ThePhD timely banner
 
Snrk.
Muh typos are gr8 2day
Uh
Hm.
Do I make a random_device for each benchmark,
or maybe a random_device global...
Eh, one for each benchmark.
 
one per benchmark
 
every file in this project is too long
this one has 2600 lines pls
and not exactly the most polished ones
lol BOOST_FOREACH
 
2:12 AM
i feel your pain
 
whoah whoah my medical insurance doesn't cover this
 
2:33 AM
std::string to_string(Enum) vs char const* to_string(Enum)
it's all static strangs
 
string_view.
Compatible interface.
 
Write a string_view.
It's a simple thing.
 
I have string_span
That'll do :handup:
thanks phdey
I rate this human interaction 8/10
 
Oh, you're right.
string_span is the new term.
 
2:47 AM
lovely how they do that, and still haven't documented their library for shit
 
Huh?
 
I just want some docs
 
> We have not forgotten. We are still working on a standards-style specification.
 
yes
after several months of silence on the issue, they said they were working on it
I understand it's something of an issue when you're still working out form of the library, but shouldn't a specification allow clearer reasoning about holes in functionality for the GSL?
not only that but because of that you have to hunt through the internals of Microsoft's implementation to figure out the interface.
because AFAIK there's only Microsoft's version, and the version someone's ported to older versions of C++ based off of their version
 
Eh~, the hollow Mahjong is just too hard.
 
3:12 AM
friendly reminder C++17 sucks
 
:(
that's not friendly at all
 
Many of the accepted changes look more like DR that actual new features.
 
> Do you have any solutions to use ATL on CUDA?
lal
 
man
I just wanted compile-time reflection. Maybe modules. Maybe something cool.
 
lol library for the itch protocol libitch
 
3:24 AM
I won't even get my neat auto {x, y} = f(); thing.
thanks herb
 
;_;
 
@Rapptz Why? :o
 
@Morwenn proposal seems fairly rushed
it's woefully incomplete
if it gets accepted it'd cause more annoyances than it'd solve I guess
the reasons given were basically "lol maybe in the future"
like okay, thanks herb
your proposal sucks
 
Yeah, the three Stroustrup proposals are like that: they try to get the minimal features and push them forward.
 
3:28 AM
yeah it's dumb
how about actually completing things instead of half-assing it
 
I think Stroustrup wants things to move forward. At least the proposed subset is clear, unambiguous and doesn't block the road for future evolution.
The proposal about default comparison seems pretty neat now that it has been polished.
 
that proposal has a rider included
breaking change with operator=
totally gr8 idea
 
inb4 C++14 is a bigger update than C++17.
 
lol it already is
 
It's nice to see things being depreciated.
 
3:30 AM
@Rapptz I like it. I want it.
 
generalised constexpr + generic lambdas
two features better than anything else in C++17
 
And variable templates.
Not the greatest feature but still a "big" one.
 
binary literals are neat too I guess
oh yeah auto/decltype(auto)
 
They're neat but more of a tidbit.
 
man C++14 just shits on C++17
 
3:32 AM
Oh yeah right, for normal functions.
 
[[deprecated]] is neat too but it's pretty minor
 
I fear we won't get std::invocation_type from the library fundamentals TS.
 
idk overall C++14 > C++17
I think it's even better library wise too
 
On the other hand, ranges-v3 is still a good replacement for the Ranges TS.
 
heterogeneous lookup for std::set and stuff is like
a very top notch 10/10 addition
 
3:34 AM
@Rapptz m8 check your concepts
 
@Rapptz Not sure. If we get std::any, std::optional, the filesystem TS and the paralellism TS, it will be a rather big library update (+ more goodies).
 
yeah concepts is cool and all
but those 3 are cooler
 
wrong
 
naw
 
what's std::invocation?
std::invoke() ?
 
3:35 AM
std::invoke is broken
 
no constexpr and no noexcept
might as well not use it
 
and it’s not a Niebler-style function :^v
 
@Rapptz Lol, seriously? How could they overlook that?
 
"overlook"
it's famous committee technique
"propose it later"
tbh the amount of times it happens is starting to irritate me
 
3:36 AM
Soooo... what's currently in C++17 allows me to clean cpp-sort a bit, but not to actually improve it.
Concepts and/or the Parallelism TS would allow me to implement significant changes though.
 
Concepts is :ok:
oh yeah C++14 introduced the best iomanip of all time
std::quoted
I love std::quoted
 
Also « making exception specifications part of the type system » has always bothered me. Isn't it likely to break stuff all over the place?
 
yeah idk
gonna go ignore C++ exists and play video games
 
@Rapptz good idea
What do you play?
GTA5 ?
 
3:41 AM
while (true){
double money;
std::get_money(money);
}
guiz. check your bank accounts.
 
Fuck, it's already 5am, I should be sleeping ç_____ç
 
USA USA USA. Only 10:30pm
 
wooow
 
(^(oo)^)
 
I'm going to sleep. See y'all another life. Bye!
 
3:50 AM
night (morning)
 
4:16 AM
Ugh.
nonius needs a pre_run method.
Guess I'll hack that in.
 
5:05 AM
Ugh.
This is booty.
Is that run
once per run
or once for the entire benchmark?
gdi
template <typename Cont>
using ordered_container = ordered<typename Cont::value_type, std::conditional_t<detail::is_specialization_of<Cont, std::map>::value, detail::key_compare_of<Cont>, std::less<>>, Cont>;
This line alone crashes VC++.
You have to be shitting me.
 
5:20 AM
works fine
 
.@awesome_human_ Fixed now. We had an issue with SQL Server and some of the sites didn't come out of read only mode https://twitter.com/GBrayUT/status/704167666190123008
 
I'm #define-ing NONIUS_RUNNER and... it's just not behaving...
 
and dicaprio wins
 
bravo italia
molto bellissimo con la tutta matrona
 
matrone?
 
5:36 AM
uwotm8
 
send a threat email to robot
 
kek
ask him if he's ever returning
 
Just discovered this cute function:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2fkk4dzw.aspx
 
How is it cute?
 
it feels like I'm writing python
 
5:49 AM
night
 
Night.
 
> They changed to a new matchmaking system that doesn't evaluate your opponents' MMR anymore, so you're almost never matched against a team of equal skill.
I read it on the Internet so I’ll assume it’s accurate
> […] It puts people with your mmr and pips against people with your pips but not necessarily the same mmr.
 
6:06 AM
std::modulo_distrubtion<Exponent> when.
 
@Mikhail So this thing that I found today, gives me an idea to toy with on my storage workstation.
 
@Mysticial Which would be?
 
My storage workstation currently has 16 hard drives in two external racks. Those drives sustain 1.5 GB/s bandwidth or so.
 
with a RAID card?
 
After running the calculations, for my purposes, I can use SSDs and not kill them from writes.
So if I get 4 of those m.2 boxes. And load them up with 16 of these: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3FA3249864
We're talking 8 GB/s bandwidth. The PCIe bandwidth checks out at also 8 GB/s. So it might actually be possible to get that if there are no bottlenecks in the controllers or the motherboard.
 
6:18 AM
There was a recent article about why this is impossible, one sec let me find it
 
sure
I'll be happy with just 4 GB/s - since that's the point where it becomes compute-bound.
 
The real problem is that I've only been able to sustain 3 GB/s rates when the drive was empty, typical performance has been lower as I fill it up.
This also happens for SSDs
 
I'm not running RAID or anything.
The SSDs are bound by the SATA at 500 MB/s.
Internally they can do a lot more than that. So the write-leveling algorithms aren't affected since it's already bottlenecked by the SATA.
 
Except for the well known "SSD write cliff"
 
I just tested my half-full Samsung 500GB SSD. Full bandwidth both directions.
500 MB/s read and write. It's completely SATA bound.
 
6:20 AM
 
@Mikhail I'm saying that the current generation of SSDs are at the point where the "degraded" performance is already higher than the SATA3 bandwidth.
 
This has not been my experience with 840
 
Are you doing non-sequential IO?
 
sequential IO, just dropping 10 megabyte tiff files
after about 50% of the drive is full, shit goes to hell
 
My 850 holds up fine even when 50 - 75% full for sequential writes.
No problems sustaining 500 MB/s.
I can see the "degraded" region nice and clearly on my PCIe SSD in my laptop.
It's about 700 - 900 MB/s on sequential writes.
And it's 75% full.
 
6:25 AM
Yeah, Id wonder if I'd get some performance improvement by disabling raid. Do you use a thread for each disk?
 
Yeah.
One thread per physical disk.
No RAID.
 
Do you use WinAPI?
 
So barring any bottlenecks in the SATA controller or the motherboard, it should be possible to hit 8 GB/s minus overhead.
 
minus write cliff
 
@Mikhail Yes, with FILE_FLAG_NO_BUFFERRING.
 
6:27 AM
FILE_FLAG_WRITE_THROUGH | FILE_FLAG_NO_BUFFERING
 
@Mikhail Write cliff?
 
Yeah, thats what me and NERSC call the degradation.
 
@Mikhail I believe the FILE_FLAG_WRITE_THROUGH is implied when you do no buffering.
IOW, no buffering is stronger than write through.
You don't even need to flush when you use no buffering.
@Mikhail Like I said, I'm not convinced the write cliff will happen with modern SSDs on SATA3.
The write cliff that I see in my laptop is 700 - 900 MB/s out of the 1.5 GB/s read.
It's not gonna matter when the SATA caps it to 500 MB/s per drive anyway.
 
Somehow the performance I get is worse then what you're getting
 
I have a Samsung 850 EVO 500GB. It's 50% full. 500 MB/s write no problems.
I'm unsure of what model my laptop has since it came with the laptop.
But that's a PCIe SSD.
 
6:31 AM
I assume we're both using crystal mark?
 
yes
 
...
Goddamnt, macros.
 
@Mikhail So I was a little high on my laptop's SSD. But it's still over the SATA3 cap.
 
What happens if you benchmark a large file size?
 
They use the same chips regardless of the interface.
@Mikhail I haven't tried that.
And here's my 850 EVO:
Completely SATA3 bound.
And with the largest file size available:
 
6:48 AM
Okay you've inspired me to test my disk. Although my labs equipment is current in use, so it might take a day or two.
What kind of m.2 case where you thinking of getting?
 
My external HD towers have 5 x 3.5 slots per rack. (4 racks total)
So one slot per rack is empty atm since I only have 4 drives per rack.
I could fill that 5th slot with 4 m.2 SSDs.
That way I can freely switch between using HDs or SSDs.
By moving a few cables around.
Given how small it is, I could actually move them internally.
 
I am getting an error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol

All header files are included in required files. Looked for constructor declaration problem, seems to be okay.
I can't understand the error
Can anyone tell me other possible reasons for getting a 2019 ?
 
7:03 AM
can someone answer the question stackoverflow.com/questions/35692467/…
 
@Avinash I'm downvoting your question because it looks like a homework assignment. Do your own god damn work.
 
dis is not homework , am jus stuck prepending operators to a string ,
if u can answer , just answer else leave.....
the question clear and understandable....

y this downvoting.....
 
fed up with people like you.....
 
I'm also fed up with people who ask bad questions and cheat on their homework.
 
7:09 AM
its bad to u , but not for all
you are speaking as if you are the assigner of the homework.....
 
Sounds like you just admitted that it's homework.
ahahaha
 
7:25 AM
@Mysticial :P
 
@Anirban you didn't define something you declared. this could be one of your functions, objects, or something from a library that you forgot to link.
the error should tell you roughly what and where.
 
8:22 AM
urggh
Is "certified foodie" a more politically correct of describing someone as "obese"?
 
outsource the need to Polish teachers obv.
> our guild (Teutons [TT]) just unlocked the very last - currently available - upgrade. […] It took us 129 days and roughly 27000 gold
the real boss we killed in HoT was inflation
 
rip my bank
 
Ven
yo lounge
 
user1804599
8:35 AM
Hello, world!
 
omg rasbperry 3
 
forwarding references making my life worse once again
is it though
 
well it depends on your frame of reference
technically
 
user1804599
> It’s so important that we must acknowledge that the Scala language is bigger than any single company.
 
user1804599
wtf that makes no sense
 
8:42 AM
Scala > Apple
now go buy Scala stocks
 
can I get the full Scala dungeon instead
 
Ven
Nothing like getting to work with 60 emails waiting for me.
All of those are "missing a newline here. Missing a dot at the end of this doc comment." :|..
 
@HubertApplebaum what about about apple strudel?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
@Ven easy to fix and also why isn't that bot a commit hook.
 
Ven
8:45 AM
@Zoidberg because $tutor doesn't believe in clang-format
 
user1804599
inb4 not a bot
lol why isn't it a bot
 
Ven
no, it's not a bot that sends me this. it's $tutor
 
user1804599
exactly
 
Ven
also yes, easy to fix, but that means my PR wasn't merged, and now I've gotta rebase and possibly fix conflicts
 
user1804599
This teaches you to do it correctly the first time.
 
user1804599
8:46 AM
Order and discipline.
 
user1804599
Attention to detail.
 
user1804599
Not to mention Learning from mistakes.
 
user1804599
Be happy you at least do pull requests and code reviews.
 
Ven
@Zoidberg I'd have left if we didn't do PR, code reviews and tests.
 
user1804599
We don't do pull requests, code reviews, and tests.
 
Ven
8:56 AM
find a new, better – actually good, job.
 
user1804599
As a result everybody is always confused and the code base is a buggy incomprehensible clusterfuck.
 
user1804599
Because pull requests, code reviews, and tests take time and effort.
 
user1804599
Directly merging into develop and deploying it doesn't. It's easy.
 
user1804599
Manual testing doesn't consume time at all.
 

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