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11:00 AM
fit’s shucked
new rule of thumb: don’t do conditional noexcept
 
11:15 AM
here & for referencing s ? Why & is not with PresenceStatus or s ?
I'm saying this because the file called this function had presencestaus& instead of separate &.

I am looking for detailed documentation on using &. Any keyword suggestion will be helpful.
 
the whitespace around & doesn't matter
there's this, but you probably want to look at one of the books on this list
 
11:43 AM
@HubertApplebaum meanwhile, in WvW (tl;dr: newly released borderlands as broken as they’ve been since the HoT release)
 
lol
RIP Anet
> cannot convert argument 1 from 'void *' to 'void *'
welp
 
that's not the whole error message, is it?
cough up the rest of the error message that you have swallowed
 
@melak47 Many thanks. Back to the creator, reading pass-by-const reference. :)
 
12:09 PM
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Q: How to separate 2 values returned by a function into 2 different variables C++

TheKianThe function that return the values is this float calcVelocity(float xacceleration, float yacceleration,sf::Clock clock, float originalDistance){ sf::Time time = clock.getElapsedTime(); //get current time and store in variable called time float xvelocity = xacceleration*time.asSeconds()...

 
@Mgetz I like how nobody has mentioned that those two return statements don't do what he wants :)
 
@melak47 that's why I linked it, most of you are awake enough to make an intelligent comment to that extent. I'm still on my first cup of tea.
 
Benchmarking be hard.
 
user1804599
GRAPHIC VIDEO: Woman waves ‘child’s head’, screams ‘I am terrorist’ outside Moscow Metro https://youtu.be/NCPNgjmxC18 https://t.co/9Jaco2Zeti
 
user1804599
Fucking sicktards.
 
user1804599
12:24 PM
also those police officers
 
Measuring stuff is hard.
Crap
Where does Evangelion even begin.
 
apparently the boss of the jenkins team needs my help with jenkins
 
jerkins
 
jenkins? RIP
 
std::size_t value = dist(re);
while (!values.insert(value).second)
	value = dist(re);
Neat.
 
12:35 PM
recruiter got me pass a C++ test. apparently I aced it
 
forward_list doesn't have insert.
Why does forward_list not have insert?
 
weird
 
insert_after
 
It has only insert_after.
What the fuck.
What is going on with this container.
 
it has different semantics
 
12:37 PM
@ThePhD Because insertion requires getting to the previous element
 
@ThePhD insert inserts before.
 
... Lol
"Inserts before"
And forward_list can only insert after.
Oh man.
Talk about backbreaking.
One more template specialization to add to the list.
 
What are you writing right now?
 
Benchmarks.
The right way.
 
@ThePhD except with forward_list, where it's the left way.
 
12:40 PM
Snrk.
 
;_;
 
12:55 PM
For index-based delete.
The iteration cost is really high.
You would think that ripping something out of the middle of a vector would have a higher cost, since they have to essentially shift all values of [idx + 1, size) down by 1 slot.
Then again, it's just integers.
What if I force a non-default struct?
Bwuh. Another 100,000 element test.
This could take a while...
 
user1804599
I'm excited.
 
user1804599
I bought my first smartphone.
 
what make?
 
RIP you.
 
which kind
 
user1804599
1:08 PM
iPhone 6s
 
tame
 
Ven
fucking hipster.
 
throw it away
no, return it so apple don't make money off you
 
user1804599
I'm sorry for having high quality standards.
 
1:09 PM
get one of those airplay stereos, that's very nice
 
Ven
>high quality
>apple
pick one
 
@Zoidberg try sitting on it
 
@Ven android phones are only worth existing because they are so cheap
 
Ven
I have an iphone – that's how I can say they're shit :>.
 
We have iphones at work, not I cos I refuse, very common that the charger stops working
And then you have four hours before it is ded
 
Ven
1:14 PM
I have no idea what you do with your phone to ruin its battery in only 4 hours.
 
afk, ckking in the sun
 
I only have to charge my phone once every 3~4 days
 
yeah, it's too bad USB chargers are so rare and expensive
 
Ven
I kept my iphone 4 for almost 5 years, and I could use it for much longer :/.
 
1:15 PM
@slaphappy they don't use micro usb
And it is the connector in the phone that is broken
 
at least it hasn't been bitten by some feral person
 
@Telkitty do you wait in the shadow all day long for pun opportunities :P
 
that is a very excited caption
 
E X C I T E M E N T
 
@slaphappy hey I don't wait in the shadow all day long - I have a semi tan!
 
1:17 PM
Nonius is definitely on the side of "Micro" for benchmarking.
Trying to benchmark bigger tests results in wait timesof an eterniiity.
But the results have REALLY good statistical properties.
 
Ven
{(⊂⍬)∊∆←(↓2 2⊤⍵)/¨⊂⍳⍴⍵:¯1⋄⌈/{⌈/⌊/⍵}¨(+,⍉¨)|∘.-/∆}
APL is so amazing..<3
 
APL is so {vomit noises}.
 
APL so JavaScript.
 
Ven
go back to your ugly C++.
 
C++ ♥
 
1:18 PM
Gladly.
 
C♥♥
9
 
Ven
which I'm also doing, because well.. it's my job. but still!
 
Crap I lost the link for the standard papers.
RIP, my downtime reading material.
 
Ven
rket!
 
@Morwenn hey, you've got a new language project
 
1:21 PM
@slaphappy It handles unicode natively.
 
C++ doesn't?
 
C++ shrugs its shoulders and just tells you to go use ICU.
 
Yep.
 
@Ven Moi aussi jkiffe les aides au logement frayr
 
Ven
which you could also tranaslate by "C++ tells you to go fuck yourself" :-)
@Rerito tg retourne à l'ANPE
 
1:23 PM
There is Boost.Locale that wraps ICU but I don't know how good it is.
 
I think this is going to take more than 24 hours to run the 1 million test with only 10 samples.
Maybe I should have just done 1 sample
 
we all have regrets
time to go get prodded in the mouth
 
You'll be fine.
 
that's what they said when they filed my teeth without anesthetic.
granted that was a different dentist
 
Now that's just your fault.
 
1:28 PM
@jaggedSpire Fun times.
 
@ThePhD it was ;_;
 
When you have a hard time swallowing your saliva because you don't even feel your tongue anymore.
 
they were all, "do you want anesthetic?" and I was all "grargh I can handle it"
 
@ThePhD how many you got?
 
cue screaming
 
1:30 PM
@thecoshman 3?
 
@ThePhD I used one to pull down dumps of my MC world to a USB drive. But twice the SD card corrupted on me... I never did learn to make a copy of the SD card though...
 
RIP.
 
I didn't bother to set it up a third time as I wanted to get a small backup power supply for it so that it can cope with the odd power outage
but now I have a home NAS so... vOv
 
Does anyone know what happened to inline variables? It seemed that they would make it in C++17 but I haven't heard from them recently.
 
I do need to finally sort out the network cables I berried in walls when we were wiring house...
then I can put that tornado in the ~spare~ room
I should actually look to sort out the cron jobs for that though so that these backups are being made and downloaded...
 
1:36 PM
@Morwenn what would that be?
 
Oh yeah.
I never did post the code for how I was measuring.
 
@slaphappy It's not a huge feature, but it allows to avoid ODR problem with constants.
inline const double foo = 3.2;
 
@Morwenn It probably got cut like everything else :P
 
@Borgleader It wasn't a big feature and I think it was sent to CWG. Maybe it's just waiting for proper wording.
 
@Rapptz posted a thing on discord about what was likely to make it
sadly i dont have the link now, maybe someone else can fetch it
 
Ven
1:43 PM
@Borgleader I'd be interested as well :)
 
@Borgleader The post by Michael Wong? We discussed it here yesterday.
 
@Morwenn Yeah, I think thats the one, although it was a reddit thread about it.
 
Lmao
DeadMG's comment on this article.
He pops up everywhere.
 
Oh fuck, I remembered that the detection toolkit is part of library fundamentals V2. Yet another part of the standard library that I will have to ship for years -____-
@ThePhD Where? :o
 
1:49 PM
Oh right, I remember :D
 
@ThePhD lel Puppy gonna puppy
 
@ThePhD I'm tempted to say: "Like a bad case of acne", but that would be mean, and you know I'm never that way. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah... what did acne ever do to you
 
Ven
2:05 PM
no modules, seriously? :[
> Kailua-Kona on the Big Island of Hawaii
everything for the C++ gods!
 
TIL you can overload operator. on return type.
 
@Morwenn Its an exception to the rule?
 
It seems so. No matter how you see it, operator. is a special snoflek anyway.
 
Xeo
@Morwenn you can overload the cast operator on return type :P
 
@Xeo Eh, that's right :D
 
2:22 PM
I feel dead inside.
 
Congratulations!
took you long enough
 
@ThePhD Well, you're a proper adult now. Ready to work.
 
Ven
@Borgleader yes, it's the inherit design of operator.
 
2:45 PM
winter is so nice
 
yeah it's p cool
 
@JohanLarsson Winter sucks.
 
no I just gathered evidence, been skiing with the dogs on the lake
was even better than writing code
 
Bought a thermometer, my flat is about 17~18°
 
...that's freezing.
 
Ven
2:56 PM
it's okay-ish
I can't wait for C++41.
 
I can't wait for Vapor.
Though I guess I should be more active writing it rather than waiting for it... :/
 
@Rerito That is freezing. Heat it up with orgies!
 
Don't need no heat coz my body is so hot ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) /cc @HubertApplebaum
 
Ven
RIP: our build now depends on Maven.
 
@Ven Java app?
Maven is fairly nice, IMHO.
 
Ven
3:00 PM
C++.
but we now pull in a JAR...
 
lol
RIP
 
 
Today's chickens are so great!
 
Ven
wait, there's a c++ meeting today?
 
3:13 PM
Yep, in Jacksonville.
 
@Morwenn God dammit, I thought you were Telkitty for a sec.
 
@Mysticial I've always been Telkitty, didn't you know? :D
 
With Johnny Halliday's voice: "On a touuuuussss quelque choooose en nous de Telkitty"
 
Ven
3:32 PM
<Optic Kitty>
so, wrt variant, will it be broken by design or not? (aka: will there be an "empty case"?)
 
There will be an empty case.
corrupted_by_aliens
the_world_is_burning
Interesting name proposals for std::variant::valueless_by_exception.
 
Ven
I've read that as well :-).
 
the recruiter told me I changed jobs too much :3
not my fault if most jobs suck
 
So he didn't take you because the job he proposed sucked and he knew it?
 
he just said his clients were concerned
he insists on saying I should move to London
 
3:43 PM
Hey, so we might eventually get guaranteed copy elision in C++17 :D
 
@Morwenn std::variant::morgoth_has_all_the_silmarils
std::variant::sauron_got_his_ring_back
 
Ven
@slaphappy mais non fréro, reste par chez nous
 
no. I want to get rich.
 
Ven
So, C++17 will basically be empty. cool beans. I mean – they got tons of stuff out of the way for C++20, but wow is this one going to feel shallow.
and C++20 an explosion in complexity.
 
C++17 will mostly be a library update apparently.
 
3:52 PM
exity complexplosion
 
@Morwenn I think you mean C++14.1
 
@Borgleader I think I mean C++17.
 
Ven
Putain mes étudiants sont tellement débiles. twitter.com/Seigneur_Sard/status/704301906991161345
 
TIL my first proposal was rejected partly because of Ville :(
But that they should discuss it again later. Anyway, it's not in my hands anymore.
 
Ven
want me to evisc him?
 
4:04 PM
Nah, it's ok.
 
Shit I'm dumb
I have 28 unused day off
days
 
lol
 
user406009
@slaphappy Go to uncon!
 
It won't last five weeks
I least I hope, lol
If I quit, I can't use my days off because that puts back the leave date
Also the guy next to me looks like an anime character
 
Ven
lol
 
4:11 PM
Take a picture.
 
Ven
> Petit génie de l'informatique
 
@Morwenn Ville Voutilanen, the Villian?
 
Ven
veri goud
 
Stop stalking
 
@ThePhD Yeah, that one :p
 
Ven
4:12 PM
I can't stop myself from clicking @Morwenn's name everytime so that I see someone likes me.
 
Might.
 
@Ven :D
 
So uh
 
Ven
even if I know it's a lie.
 
I guess I need cheap holiday plans
 
Ven
4:14 PM
staying home and playing gaems
 
That's very very cheap
 
Ven
yep. no need to thank me
 
Oh wow look how I misspelt "lame"
What are the odds
 
@slaphappy :O
 
4:21 PM
@slaphappy You bastard what have you gotten me into!
Also if you quit you won't lose your days off coz they'll be converted into monies €€€
 
@Morwenn Which one was that?
 
@Griwes Removing part of the defaults for fold expressions when the parameter pack is empty.
 
What did Ville not like in it?
 
@Morwenn's faec
 
Ven
although it's pretty lovely, I must say.
 
4:26 PM
@Griwes That it might decrease their usability.
 
;_;
 
Note that it was rejected after being accepted by EWG x)
 
I don't remember the last time when I discussed anything with Ville and we agreed. Though recently I had no contact with him, so that might change the perception of the previous sentence... :P
But Ville's PoV on various things was one of the prime reasons why I stopped even idling in ##C++.
 
@Ven You made me read the LRA paper. .-.
 
Ven
@ThePhD yes.
@ThePhD thank me whenever
 
4:29 PM
Die in a fire.
 
Ven
you can't blame me :3.
 
I can blame you (and gladly will)
 
Ven
no.
blame your own stupidity
 
@Griwes Who is Ville and why is he so vile?
 
Ville Voutilainen.
 
4:38 PM
inb4 ville is a city
 
;_;
He's the EWG chair.
 
@Rerito at 30% tax
also I don't need that kind of money
 
@slaphappy I think the version of this I heard (saw?) years ago was a little bit better: "I need to skip work today due to illness and fatigue." "I'm sick and tired of work."
 
@JerryCoffin Without the goofy face, I don't think it qualifies as better though.
 
Today's one is so great
And this one reflects (almost) accurately how my yearly interview went
 
4:53 PM
OMG, hell is breaking loose outside!
Or rather, hell is freezing over outside.
I hate the weather.
 
Here it's mostly good today. And no wind /o/
 
@Rerito top kek
@slaphappy hah xD
 
Some of these rendering papers are fascinating /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak
 

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