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12:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no-one has ever accused someone writing such password restrictions of being smart
 
user1804599
@Ven lol Fay
 
user1804599
RIP Fay
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel I should both flag and star that message
@rightfold API is not as bad as that formatting though
 
@user7023624 it's terrible
I'd really make use of more static flexibility on Arduino
 
user1804599
12:20 PM
I would say learn PHP first because in my country (Holland) and in many countrys there are many jobs for it. Not sure if this is the case for you. Also because it's a widely used very popular scripting language. Keep in mind that PHP is interpreted language and GO compiled. After PHP learn Node after that start with GO. But this is just my personal opinion. — sietse85 54 mins ago
 
user1804599
Let the rage flow through you.
 
@rightfold flagged as too chatty.
 
Ven
some people really hate life
 
@Tinwor The main difference is that Node.js is not a language. — Bartek Banachewicz 2 mins ago
I had my 10 seconds of fun
 
@Ven :D
 
12:29 PM
lol, was browsing some dresses worn by Jennifer Lawrence, then this weight loss ads bumped into screen - apparently they used some before and after picture, like before picture was taken in 2015 and after picture was taken 2005
 
user1804599
@Ven make a PHP dialect where every class extends stdClass
 
oh yeah, five out of six variables I am passing to this function have three letter names. I think I've done a good job here.
 
Ven
@rightfold why no
 
user1804599
So you can go full Python and add arbitrary properties everywhere.
 
@BartekBanachewicz history is off, and will stay so ¬_¬
 
user1804599
12:33 PM
They record it anyway.
 
user1804599
You just can't see it.
 
Ven
@rightfold you can, really
"mostly"
php -r 'class A { public function __construct() { $this->a = 3; } }; new A();'
this "works"
 
user1804599
oh
 
user1804599
:(
 
user1804599
__slots__ ftw
 
Ven
12:40 PM
so does this:
php -r 'class A {}; $a = new A(); $a->b = 3;'
 
user1804599
:(
 
Ven
so really. no need for such thing
 
user1804599
What if the class has declared properties?
 
Ven
that's for PHP 4 compat
@rightfold doesn't matter. PHP 4 had var $x;
php -r 'class A { public $a = 3; }; $a = new A(); $a->b = 3;'
 
user1804599
:(
 
user1804599
12:42 PM
  -B <begin_code>  Run PHP <begin_code> before processing input lines
  -R <code>        Run PHP <code> for every input line
  -E <end_code>    Run PHP <end_code> after processing all input lines
 
user1804599
lol AWK
 
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% php --rf var_dump
Function [ <internal:standard> function var_dump ] {

  - Parameters [1] {
    Parameter #0 [ <required> ...$vars ]
  }
}
 
user1804599
huh cool
 
Ven
:o
@rightfold where's that from?
 
user1804599
php --help
 
user1804599
12:48 PM
  -s               Output HTML syntax highlighted source.
 
user1804599
fucking rad these options
 
@Griwes Wow, there's indeed some total retardation in Spanish NB comments.
 
:D
 
Ven
@Morwenn link?
 
(Brace yourself, there's 185 US comments.)
 
Ven
12:51 PM
> Operator dot provides important benefits to
developers
> Unified syntax call provides a simplification
mechanism and would allow simplifications to
many libraries.
ARGUING
@rightfold did you know psql supports -H, --html HTML table output mode?
 
« Remove what's been voted in, and accept what's been voted out »
Sums up the NB comments.
 
Ven
:/
 
what is this about? for non language lawyers such as myself?
 
Yeah. :D
I ESpecially like the one that says "we should pull the Concepts TS in, despite the vast opposition".
 
Yeah.
Also « remove inline variables because they solve too many problems ».
 
Ven
12:55 PM
@rightfold this shit uses a lot of if (defined($self->{xx}) && length($self->{xx}) > 0)
 
:D
 
Ven
which is basically if ($self->{xx}), if I'm not mistaken.
 
> Remove this thing, it's too useful.
> Add this thing that has design problems because it's Bjarne who proposed it.
> While we are at it, add all the other rejected Bjarne papers.
 
starting to think I might have a few too many tabs open in sublime :|
maybe...
 
I love how Bryce worded all the ones saying "LBNL disagrees with [...]". :D
kek (13) in the late comments
> Whatever else “inline variables” do, they will cause harm by making it easier to introduce global variables and data races.
yeah right
Because it isn't trivial already with inline functions and function-local statics.
 
user1804599
12:58 PM
@Ven length(0) > 0
 
user1804599
But 0 is false
 
@Ven Neat!
 
Ven
@rightfold those are all strings :)
 
user1804599
'0' is also false
 
user1804599
'0 but true' is 0 and true
 
Ven
12:59 PM
good. That's not a valid hostname, pg username, db name. Nor password, I think
 
user1804599
Its a valid DB name
 
Ven
are you sure?
 
user1804599
Yup
 
Ven
well, with quotes...
 
user1804599
The quotes are Perl syntax. They are not part of the value
 
Ven
1:00 PM
No, I mean pg quotes. It can be valid anyway
 
user1804599
createdb 0 works
 
Also lol my national org is basically telling me that the easiest and fastest way for me to become a delegate to WG21 is to open my own business and join the national committee for most of the things in JTC1 and become a delegate from within.
 
Fancy that... I install googles Noto font... end up with tofu everywhere :(
 
Ven
@Griwes JTC1?
 
Joint Technical Committee 1.
 
user1804599
1:01 PM
Jan Tinbergen College
 
You know, the thing SC22 is in?
(Which in turn is, you know, the thing WG21 is in? :D)
OTOH they are also saying they wouldn't make any problems with turning our national org's SC22 status from Observer to Participant if I kept attending the meetings for a few months, so there's that.
 
> ShellExecuteW long path behaviour is now stable: It doesn't work since Windows 8.1.
3
 
1) install noto fonts
2) google how to remove noto fonts
 
Ven
Not sure how to give password to psql via command-line :(
 
Hi Guys. I'm using 3rd party lib in my code, and when I add some header file from it, on compilation I get several errors "* dose not name a type..." which occures because some necessary headers missed in those header file. Should this kind of things be reported as issues or it's ok in C++ world and library client's should deal with such kind of things?
 
Ven
1:12 PM
@silent_coder we have a website for questions: stackoverflow.com
 
@Ven Shhhh, be silent please
 
user1804599
@Ven yes
 
Ven
yo brorito
 
user1804599
It's a killer feature.
 
Ven
1:13 PM
Lol writing to the user's home directory
That's probably the most retarded suggestion.
 
@Ven actually, I think this is the sort of question best suited to here...
 
goddammit what's Cicada's current alias
 
Ven
setting PGPASSWORD in env is the correct solution
 
or maybe programmers stack exchange
 
Ven
@Rerito you'd know if he was here :P
 
1:14 PM
@Rerito google for "stackoverflow user cicada"
 
> Replace all use of __has_include with has__include
 
oh no...
 
ç____ç
 
there's a new user actually called cicada
 
user1804599
@Ven it asks you if needed
 
1:15 PM
@GundolfGundelfinger Improved my deadlift this morning
 
Ven
@rightfold yes but you can't echo a | psql – I had to set PGPASSWORD
 
user1804599
PGPASSWORD environment variable
 
Urgh that Risitas profile pic
 
@Ven or the user:password@host syntax
 
Ven
1:16 PM
-_-
 
Quality HTML emails sent by Atlassian on Confluence edits /cc @thecoshman
 
@rightfold Is that meant to read as p g p assword?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman no
 
user1804599
@sehe lol Confluence, you already lost there
 
user1804599
@sehe emails use tables for layout because other things break horribly in bad clients
 
1:17 PM
Tell me about it. Also, check discord
 
user1804599
and most people use bad clients
 
isn't an email client bad by definition?
 
isn't HTML email bad by definition?
 
user1804599
yes, yes
 
user1804599
Like Uncle Bob's description of a wiki: it takes text in one horrible horrible format called wikitext, and transforms it into another horrible horrible format called HTML.
 
user1593881
1:21 PM
Can you get away without reading the Effective Modern C++?
 
@RawN you can get away with not using C++ at all
 
@RawN what's that?
 
you'll be much happier for it
 
user1593881
Anyone?
 
user1593881
With an oppinion?
 
Ven
1:24 PM
What does "getting away" even means.
Scott Meyers won't come knocking on your door.
 
^
Its not answerable.
 
user1593881
@Ven I loved his first book.
 
You decide if what you can learn from that book worth the money. Period.
 
@sehe indeed
 
user1593881
@ratchetfreak I tried. C++ buys you a work permit in first world countries. Other languages not so much. ;)
 
1:28 PM
@RawN I thought it was English
 
user1593881
@Abyx you thought wrong.
 
user1593881
German language is on the rise.
 
lol Germanlanguage
Chinese is on rise as well, and Arabic is surely popular in certain countries
 
Aren't most languages on the rise?
 
user1593881
Pascal is dying out.
 
1:31 PM
@Rerito is that jealousy???
 
user1593881
Lol
 
Ven
We have this piece of code here at work:
 
@Rerito the most metal of exercises
 
@GundolfGundelfinger It's cringy
 
Ven
return $? >> 8
@rightfold ^ why. Just why.
 
1:31 PM
@Rerito incorrect: it's perfect
 
@thecoshman Guess what was in my playlist at that time
 
user1804599
@Ven faster!!1
 
@Rerito this?
 
Ven
@rightfold so you always get 0
 
user1804599
urmom is the reciprocal of zero
 
Ven
1:34 PM
@rightfold no seriously. Isn't it just return 0;?
 
@Ven but faster!
 
user1804599
No idea. Query the author.
 
@Abyx Chinese is not a language
3
 
Ven
neither is russkov
 
Ell
@GundolfGundelfinger it's a family of languages tho
 
1:36 PM
@thecoshman The four horsemen by Metallica and Fear of the dark by Iron Maiden
 
@Rerito not bad
 
@GundolfGundelfinger sounds racist
 
@Abyx It's true though...
 
I know
 
It's like saying "the European language"
 
1:37 PM
@thecoshman o/
 
user1593881
@Abyx What sounds racist?
 
one language!
 
@thecoshman That would be French
 
huh?
@GundolfGundelfinger that's "the European language we wish would die out along with all it's native speakers"
 
@thecoshman we could have it in 194x
 
1:38 PM
Can't hear you behind my innate superiority you inbred potato eater
 
ITT turns out we solved that nazi issue a bit too fast
4
They do like their inbreeding :P
 
Also I'll accept language criticism from you the day you'll be able to write a full sentence without a single spelling mistake
 
Though I'm currently ~dating~ a spanish girl :D
@GundolfGundelfinger fock yuu
 
@GundolfGundelfinger do you still eat frogs in France?
 
Yes
And snails
Daily
 
1:41 PM
Isn't it a rather regional thing?
 
user1593881
haha
 
user1593881
@GundolfGundelfinger nice
 
along with that cheese that is litterally filled with maggots
 
It is but that still counts doesn't it
Maggots give taste
I don't really expect you to understand
 
user1593881
1:43 PM
Should one read Effective STL as well?
 
the most surprising thing about France is that they started to eat that shit even before they became Northern Algeria
@RawN ISO 14882 is the only book you should read
 
@GundolfGundelfinger I'll not eat food that is still moving around on it' own accord
 
Enjoy your McDonald's and fried Mars
 
1488-2! One book! One language!
 
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@Abyx I don't intend to make a compiler
 
1:45 PM
Hmm... any chance I can compare the Armenia plight to my desire for a third genocide related comment on the starboard?
@GundolfGundelfinger Yet to try a fried mars... want to so badly though :|
 
@thecoshman what
 
also... Gaybars are amazing
 
Steel bars offer much better resistance as a building material
 
For the record, that's Galaxy and Milkybar
Not sure if the black and white chocolate is saying 'pro integration', or if the eating it is saying 'apartheid is the only way to survive'
 
@thecoshman Not really. People use "Chinese" to refer to "the official language of China", not "any of the languages spoken in China".
 
1:50 PM
guys stop
you're gonna throw my Very Important Message off the starboard
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes PRC or ROC?
 
Doesn't matter.
It's the official language in both.
 
the starboard seems to be infested with nonsense stars
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is exactly?
 
1:52 PM
@Griwes It's almost as if the silliness is too good
 
user1593881
Cantonese?
 
@thecoshman the same language. The one that people use "Chinese" to refer to.
 
@GundolfGundelfinger funny... it almost sounds like you said Chinese... or wait, no it didn't not at all, not even close
@R.MartinhoFernandes then people are wrong
 
Ell
@GundolfGundelfinger have you tried it?
 
user1593881
China is actually a very nice place to live in. If it wasn't for that industrial pollution. Very safe place.
 
1:53 PM
That's like saying "European" is actually "Englilsh"
 
And even if they used it to mean "any of the languages in the Chinese language family", it's not like "the European language" because there are languages with official status in Europe that don't have common ancestors.
@thecoshman No, it isn't.
 
@RawN "Apart from the fact that the very air is near fatal, it's rather nice"
 
Putonghua is the official language of China, in Taiwan too but it's called differently
 
The point is that it's the same language. It has many names.
"Chinese" is a commonly used name for that language.
 
user1593881
@thecoshman You should visit the place as I did.
 
1:55 PM
@RawN as long as you don't try to cross a street lol
 
@GundolfGundelfinger or breath
 
user1593881
@GundolfGundelfinger also true
 
user1593881
Pedestrian crossings are clearly marked and yet not existent.
 
Chinese (汉语/漢語; Hànyǔ or 中文; Zhōngwén) is a group of related but in many cases mutually unintelligible language varieties, forming a branch of the Sino-Tibetan language family. Chinese is spoken by the Han majority and many other ethnic groups in China. Nearly 1.2 billion people (around 16% of the world's population) speak some form of Chinese as their first language. The varieties of Chinese are usually described by native speakers as dialects of a single Chinese language, but linguists note that they are as diverse as a language family. The internal diversity of Chinese has been likened to that...
So it's basically like "Languages with Latin roots", and as such is not a concrete language
 
@thecoshman It's also the official language of China. A very specific language.
 
1:59 PM
Solution... genocide? If no one is left to speak/read/write/understand... problem solved?
 
The one that also goes by Putonghua or Mandarin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a specific language is
 

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