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3:00 AM
Still not sure how the 32" is so expensive ($2600)
24" is $700, reasonable-ish.
 
yeah high res on anything mobile is so worth it. dunno about desktop monitors
usually 24" is the best price point
 
Yup, and a pretty good density of pixels there. I don't really understand folk who buy an HD display with a 30" diagonal. Defeats the purpose.
 
anything 30+ tends to be vastly more expensive for whatever reason
lol right? just get 2 monitors if you want more space
@RadAway for that particular model though you could buy almost 4 24" models for the same price though :)
are you thinking what I'm thinking
 
Yup, I'll get three to replace these, LEDs from Samsung I think, 24" HD.
Would have to buy a new desk for 4. :/
 
well, since you're saving $500 you could get another desk :)
 
3:05 AM
This one's glass, usually the big ones are wood only
 
@ʞɔᴉN Wow.
You're calling me a nobody.
 
@Nooble you're muted you don't count
 
Protip: Glossy displays suck.
 
Definitely, but in dark rooms like mine it's okay.
 
New terrorist attack in the EU wtf
 
3:07 AM
Viva la space.
@MaiLongdong When?
 
Friday 21
 
(CNN)A massacre on a high-speed train in Belgium was prevented Friday when two members of the U.S. military in civilian clothing surprised an Islamist militant, authorities said.
 
Yes that
 
'murica.
Well, he's going to regret ever being born.
I can only imagine the ass whoopin', given the attack on that news paper where a bunch were killed.
 
Not really
 
3:10 AM
EU needs more Americans for protection
visa pls
 
He's going to spent 10 years in jail and then be set free
Probably less actually
 
That's more to the North, in Scandinavia
21 years for killing 70 people. Woohooo
 
Sweden
 
Wondering why there isn't a documentary on him yet.
 
@RadAway is that ICQ
are you serious dawg
 
3:13 AM
Yeah, girlfriend insisted on staying in touch as I don't use Facebook or any social network basically. And people usually get a hold of me through Whatsapp and that other thing, Viber?
So I created the most obscure account with obscure number IDs, and use that :Đ
 
@RadAway Don't euros treat their prisoners with mad respect? Didn't that Brevik guy get a playstation in a comfy cell even though he massacared like 80 people?
 
Yup, that's the one we were talking about.
They see them as patients.
 
Yes but that one will never get out though
 
Which they are, but we don't have the technology to fix them. Won't have for another century or more.
 
Brevik is not sick at all
 
3:14 AM
Yeah, his sentence will be just extended on the end, until he dies
 
@Prismatic That’s a common misconception. He actually mascara’d them.
 
He explained very detailedly his actions
 
The fact he can do that is sickness in itself. I just think about killing people, I feel sick in my stomach.
 
Nah he's just cold, not insane
 
Ah, you're referring to insanity. Definitely, he's not insane.
 
3:16 AM
> Bordeaux: un homme refuse qu'un soignant ausculte sa femme et l'agresse
aaah quel beau pays
 
But he's broken inside, whether nurture or nature, doesn't matter. But I detest how they're pampering him.
 
He's still a human.
 
a man refused a something something somethign female is angry
 
So where the 70+ people he killed.
 
A man refuses that a doctor touch his wife and punches him
shitty translation provided for free
 
3:18 AM
The issue is that our good nature can only be used against us. Funny thing about most of these terrorist asswipes is that most will have a better life after they've been captured than right now. It's not that they don't have something to lose, they have everything to gain.
 
@MaiLongdong Concentre toi sur les faits divers en Essonne stp que je me sente mieux
 
merci beaucoup
 
> Larzac : Une chèvre refuse de se faire traire par un fermier et l'agresse
 
@RadAway I don't think they'll have a better life after being captured, thats kind of a huge assumption to make
 
I am just going off the current state of their living conditions. Although I hear ISIS fighters are making millions while everyone else is down in the slums.
 
3:20 AM
33 mins ago, by ʞɔᴉN
America saves France again http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/europe/france-train-shooting/
GOD BLESS AMERICA
 
It was in Belgium
Also noooo euro is rising again I am now poor
 
The United States are pretty cool, sort of the global police. Even more so given that they don't have to do shit.
 
United States Best States
 
Watched a video from CNN or BBC today, the refugees from Afganistan charging the Macedonian border
Thousands of them, kinda sad and hilarious at the same time.
The transit states are literally organizing passage through their land, all of them are heading for Germany and neighboring states.
 
What a time to be alive
 
3:23 AM
Wonder what would've happened had someone charged at the US border like that.
 
Jokes on you there is no border
 
Is your surname really Longdong?
 
No my family name is Mai. Family name first in chinese.
And Korean etc
 
Long dong. I'm so immature.
But that's the best name ever.
 
@RadAway I don’t get it.
 
3:26 AM
I should hope so you don't get long dongs. <3
But it's totally cool if you do!
These guys aren't even funny anymore...
 
@RadAway What do you mean?
 
Don't ask! Hah.
 
I don't get it.
 
I am curious, though, where does North Korea get the facilities to refine uranium for their supposed nuclear tests?
 
You're not the first one who seems to be startled by my name for some reason though
Oh well westerners
 
3:30 AM
Most of the involved technology is component-controlled via the NPT.
Mai L., were you born in China?
 
Hong Kong
 
Ah, Hong Kong is the cool part. Besides Japan, that is.
 
But my parents were from the Guangdong region in China
 
Too bad, I am wondering a bit how exaggarated is the western media image of China.
 
Well I wouldn't know what the "western media image of China" is
 
3:33 AM
Well, one thing I was made aware recently... There is a state imposed ban on video game consoles that was only recently lifted.
 
But HK is not very pro China
 
And only for games that do not challenge the state?
 
Yeah that sounds about right
 
That's a bit... Harsh?
 
The media in China is tightly controlled by the government
 
3:34 AM
Windows Defender > Detected Item > Get more information about this item online. > Logs-in to MS account, asks for password saying I'm accessing sensitive info. Wow!
 
Windows Defender does hilarious things to people. I read that Windows is apparently deleting questionable DLLs and EXEs from games (piracy introduced cracks) without even informing the user. Ahaha
The new anti-malware thing, on Windows 10
 
I wonder how I'd request a Vulkan context.
GLFW for Vulkan please.
 
Preliminary specs are available
 
Chill, Vulkan is still just a dream.
But yes, you can read up on using it
without using it, that is.
 
maybe if we're lucky it'll work like this. Create a temporary opengl context, upgrade to opengl core profile 3/4 context. upgade to temp vulkan context. upgrade to actual vulkan context you want.
 
3:38 AM
@RadAway It does notify for crackware.
 
@melak47 Not possible
 
Fun thing is, I just restarted for removal of a link worm.
 
Vulkan is complete separate from OpenGL.
But I think melak was making a joke. :Đ
 
Complete breakaway.
 
Ooh SPIR-V.
 
3:40 AM
Also, the notion of contexts is gone in the glorious future of new graphics APIs.
No such thing
 
maybe I'm wrong and it'll be as simple as GetProcAddress'ing a void* function from your driver :D
 
@melak47 Wait what?
 
Nothing like dynamically chasing addresses to functions.
 
@RadAway /r/nocontext/
 
@MaiLongdong lol
 
3:41 AM
@RadAway How would that work.
I still need something to draw to.
 
Enter the command list
and equivalents.
 
@Nooble well, isn't the context the thing that holds the state? now you do that.
 
And command queues
 
@melak47 You just link to the lib and the lib does the dynamic binding to the driver
 
Check out the khronos pages on Vulkan, try out DirectX 12
or Mantle if you've got access
 
3:42 AM
@melak47 There is no more global state
 
to get a test for it
 
Mantle is already public.
 
The whole idea is to remove the auto synchronization between the CPU and GPU to unlock concurrent potential.
By placing the management burden on you
 
Less checks by drivers.
 
Yup, hazard tracking is gone, you also need to ensure resource renaming is done. Check whether the past frame is done, signaled by the API in some way
and then do further work, even queue up multiple frames if there is time etc.
 
3:44 AM
@DonLarynx That part doesn't matter. Do consider the difference between order of evaluation, order of operations and sequence points.
 
DirectX 12 also feature explicit multiadapter, but unfortunately interGPU communication is limited by old technology.
I guess the C++11 name mangling of sequence points is going to take a while to catch on.
 
I thought @unordered_meow became @RadAway until I saw the lowly rep (:P).
 
None of your reps are impressively high, while my is impressively low. :P
 
@DonLarynx thanks to the new rules in C++11 one of these i = ++i or i = i++ becomes valid behaviour, but I don't remember which one
 
The latter
 
3:46 AM
@RadAway no
 
But in C99, they're still very much UB.
 
@RadAway no
 
Yes.
 
@unordered_meow I think that makes a lot of sense. thanks
 
Don't "no" to me
 
3:47 AM
@unordered_meow Still bad behavior for the programmer to deserve some punch right in the nose.
 
Go read the spec.
 
@RadAway jk, i know the latter is UB
 
@unordered_meow okay
 
Shit, 5:47
what the hell
I haven't done anything for 6 hours
oh, saturday. Shit.
 
@MarkGarcia Sure, I'm just explaining stuff to @Don
 
3:47 AM
@RadAway What version of the Bible is that?
 
@unordered_meow whattttttt
 
@MaiLongdong It's a side effect of replacing sequence points with sequenced-before and sequence-after relations
 
tbh I never bothered learning these new things, I'm still using sequence points to explain stuff
because I'm not lawyering and the old rules are simple enough and are conservative approximation of the new rules
 
Sequence points still work conceptually and it doesn't really matter too much, if you're getting hung up on those things for production purposes, your code is bad and you should feel bad.
 
3:50 AM
2 mins ago, by unordered_meow
@MarkGarcia Sure, I'm just explaining stuff to @Don
 
Hah, Vault Boy!
Now I want Fallout 4 even more.
 
Need to catch up on the new fallout games, really
I only played the first and second
 
/cc @Dean
 
I don't understand k-pop, either. Tried listening to it.
 
3:51 AM
@unordered_meow It reuses the notions defined for e.g. multithreaded behaviour though.
 
Yeah
 
On a more personal level the notions of value computation and side effect also speak more to me than the previous model.
 
Do I have to get a text every time I isntall whats app on something
kinda silly
 
@unordered_meow You could perhaps just skip to New Vegas for FO3.
 
@LucDanton lol
 
3:54 AM
@MaiLongdong y u laf
 
Yeah, New Vegas was done by Obsidian, which basically ate up the talent from Interplay.
If you're coming from 1 and 2, you'll feel right at home with NV.
 
Je m'imagine juste le standard te susurrer doucement à l'oreille son chapitre sur les séquences
 
@unordered_meow no
just no moron
 
non merci
 
it's called being more adept to noticing bugs
 
3:56 AM
@MarkGarcia That'll work nicely if they don't share some plot details.
I heard F:NV is better anyway
 
F03 was on the East Coast, some players are almost denouncing its canon status.
 
@unordered_meow Mostly about the Enclave, which is a very very small part of NV.
 
Yeah, much better. More in the Fallout spirit. But F3 was fun to play, simply because Fallout.
 
Sure, then I'll start NV first, and then FO3 if I like it
 
Somehow, the Enclave storyline is really flat for me. They served as the generic villain in FO3.
But NV was so much more varied. <3
 
3:59 AM
As in two factions where you'll almost always default to one.
:)
 
Oh, the main story was just fodder for me to get to the lore bits of the side quests.
I love exploring Vaults and reading about the experiments, confronting their consequences and shit.
 
> Crash when i try to drag file - Ubuntu 15
fascinating question
 
@MaiLongdong i just read that in your voice
 
is that a good or a bad thing
 
Now I want to hear LD's voice.
Whisper to me softly.
 
4:03 AM
@MaiLongdong a beautiful thing
@RadAway very occasionally he is on mumble
 
Anybody playing Rocket League?
Modified a kext, don't feel like rebooting the system.
Ah, well.
 
kexec and pray
 
Maximum system security: Carry custom modified bootloader on a USB dongle, every other will make the kernel shit the bed. Require manual GPU EDID input, call it "salt".
Just kidding, too lazy to configure the bootloader on the actual disk.
 
apparently you need a youtube music subscription to allow playing youtube videos in backgrounded apps
man Im so used to desktop stuff this shit just feels so different
 
YouTube has become a corporate bitch.
 
4:17 AM
Trying to get in this mumble thing, can't connect.
 
Fortunately, AdBlock saves.
What's the mumble address
I want to C, too.
 
loungecpp.sehe.nl
 
first off to the appstore
Mikkel Krautz made the app. Pretty shitty icons.
 
Port 64738?
Windows here.
I guess server's down.
 
It's up
 
4:21 AM
Oh freak, I included http:// :/
 
only mooble there
 
Connected.
But I ain't speaking here at work.
 
So, people actually use this here?
 
Most people aren't yet awake.
 
Puny humans.
I'm hurtin', baby. I'm broken down. I need your lovin', lovin'... I need it nau.
Wauwau.
MarkG in the house.
 
4:33 AM
@MaiLongdong spk pls
 
@MaiLongdong Spk pls
Nick came! We await LD.
 
lol
Too bad I only have my laptop's mic. Too not-discreet.
 
I am overcoming my social anxiety. Then I shall speaks.
I am also learning how to pick up chicks.
user image
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@RadAway I followed this guide to great success
wait so I just realized SensualQuantumChromodynamics is you not Mai
i thought he was online :(
 
Indeed, we're waiting for him... We shall die waiting.
Man, I want to squeeze those chicks.
Mambol has arrived!
Who is Mambol?
That was not very nice, Mambol.
 
4:53 AM
so rude
 
wait
 
'tis Longdong!
 
you're not online
 
Are we there yet?
 
@MaiLongdong can't :(
sry
Did I hear it correctly? Me?
 
5:05 AM
you officially suck
putangina
there I used all my tagalog
 
Buy me a good pair of BT headset.
 
idk you sort of see that type of thing everywhere
 
Not in superior mainland europe
 
lots of europeans look down on muslims
cuz immigrants
 
5:17 AM
They're not treated like that by any means
 
They're just taller.
 
I look down on dutch people.
 
You're taller.
 
@MaiLongdong treated how exactly? I just skimmed through the video, didn't really have the patience to listen to people
 
Uhh Filipinos here are essentially modern slaves
 
5:19 AM
examples?
 
Everywhere.
 
@ʞɔᴉN The video lol
 
mexican immigrants here in the US work for practically nothing
and they get all the shit jobs
 
Are they given equal rights
 
what do you mean by equal rights? most seasonal workers here are illegal
 
5:22 AM
Well here they are legal but they are definitely second-class citizen.
Normally after working 7 years in HK you get permanent residency, unless you're a maid.
They also work ~15 hours a day with 1 day off per week, and get 1 ticket home every 2 years.
If that isn't modern slavery I don't know what it is
(Same goes for Indonesians and Nepalese it seems)
 
it's a shitty way to treat people yes
but it's something you see in a lot of places
 
Doesn't make it any more acceptable
 
user406009
Supposedly there are similar issues with foreign workers in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia et all)
 
Hoomans.
 
it's not acceptable.
 
5:24 AM
Can they quit and leave?
 
@RadAway Usually they're bound for 2 years.
 
Indentured servitude, then.
I made a quarian an indentured servant of Synthetics Insights on Illium.
 
user406009
The world has too much inequality, at every level.
 
But she got into debt and shit and the terms of the servitude were pretty nice.
People like inequality because it is the basis of their self-worth.
 
user406009
 
user406009
5:28 AM
Well, inequality is nice for the people at the top.
 
Check your privileges. chmod 777
 
user406009
(Which includes all of us in westernized countries to a certain degree)
 
Well excuse me for being superior
Nick has such a hot voice
You're all missing out
 
@MaiLongdong Yeah!
 
I think I could get pregnant just by listening to him
 
5:31 AM
ahahah
Oh, god, another question regarding sequence points, and it's a total nobrainer.
Not touching that with a 10-feet pole, tho'.
 
I want to make a Stack Overflow chat / mumble integration thingy now.
 
we could skip mumble and integrate WebRTC into this page
javascript to the rescue as always
 
Yes, like an upside-down liferaft.
 
better than nothing
 
bye
 
5:48 AM
@MaiLongdong this happens in the middle east too
pretty sure that they treat their maids and workers even worse though, and there's zero chance of citizenship
 
Windows9x didn't have preemptive multitasking. Does that mean if a program entered an infinite loop the system would hang? Or was there a way to kill the process without rebooting?
 
I think it's pre 95, but yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked That's right
 
Yup
I need to bed myself.
 
6:08 AM
@StackedCrooked imagine trying to find an infinite loop bug
 
Well. It would be easy to detect, but hard to track down :)
 
But I do think there must have been a "interrupt" key combination that would hand control back to the kernel. Not?
@MarkGarcia cool
I've written plenty of win32 code back in 2007-2009.
I actually liked it...
I'm a rare one.
 
Win32 is fun. Although, today, the 32 in its name is funny.
Footage from the attempted massacre train
Look at that dipshit, lying there tied up ahah
 
6:32 AM
Why does the following cause a segfault?
	char *foo = "bar";
	printf("%c\n", *(foo+2));
	*(foo+2) = 'l';
	printf("%s\n", foo);
 
Because it is an atrocity. And because all string literals written up are shifted to a very special place which is immutable. And you're merely getting an address to the particular first character of the string, modifying that string is a strict no-no. And it is actually forbidden in C++ to yank it on a char*, must be char const*.
Essentially, you're manipulating memory which you are not supposed to manipulate.
Hence, a segmentation fault.
    char *foo = new char[3];
    foo[0] = 'b';
    foo[1] = 'a';
    foo[2] = 'r';
    printf("%c\n", *(foo+2));
	*(foo+2) = 'l';
	printf("%s\n", foo);
    delete[] foo;
This atrocity, on the other hand, won't cause you trouble.
 
Got it. Thanks!
 
@RadAway This one doesn't cause trouble. It is trouble.
2
 
Indeed.
 
ok so from what I understand, the right way to mutate strings in C is to use the functions in string.h header file only?
 
6:47 AM
No
don't mutate string literals
 
There are many ways to play around with an array of characters, a string of characters. Essentially, mutation of string literals created for the purpose of any program will always go to a special place in hell. When you want to change it, you'll actually make a live, dynamic copy of it in a buffer of variable size (depending on your needs) and keep it alive for a period while it is necessary. It can be modified.
 
Because you aren't allowed to
 
@AwalGarg Not really. The problem here isn't with how you're writing to the string. It's that you're writing to the wrong string. Change the definition to char foo[] = "bar"; and it'll get a lot better in a hurry.
 
Continue to Jerry's response as well. Also, why C?
 
@RadAway @JerryCoffin Ah, that clears it up. Thanks a lot. @rad C because curiosity :) just wanna learn it, not really make anything for production in it.
 
6:50 AM
C++ is love.
 
Anyways, JS is taking over all the places in production anyways, sadly :(
 
Also, note that Jerry's foo is statically allocated, an array of 3 characters. You cannot go outside of those boundaries. For anything else, at least in C where everything is nasty, you need to allocate a fat buffer for unpredicatable user input and validate on each step.
Also, switch to C++.
 
@RadAway Minor correction: it's an array of four characters (don't forget the NUL terminator).
 
Oh, yeah. Shit.
 
I will switch to C++ for sure, after I understand C.
 
6:54 AM
From my experience with people, an "understanding" of C has always been detrimental to their adaptation to C++.
 
@AwalGarg Don't even bother with C.
 
@AwalGarg Bad idea--the more you learn of C, the more you have to un-learn before you can program well.
 
o.O what about kernel programming? (that is what I am ultimately interested in)
 
I'm more interested in kemel programming.
 
C is only relevant in places where you can't get C++. Such as writing kernels. Although even there we're clawing our way towards C++ (minus the exception handling runtime)
 
6:57 AM
@RadAway There are kernels that prohibit C++. There are also decent kernels.
 
I want to be able to contribute to low-level projects like the linux kernel etc. and they use C. Is learning C still a bad idea?
 
Learning C is not a bad idea, but once you know C++, you pretty much know C. And you also can make fun of C.
Linux kernel was made by a rather stubborn and difficult man.
 
@AwalGarg All the C knowledge in the world can't make you go through Linus's ego.
 
@AwalGarg Wanting to contribute to Linux is where you're going wrong.
8
 
Exactly.
 
6:59 AM
haha! it is such an interesting and useful project though :D
 
You should get into a love relationship with C++, especially respecting specs C++11 and above.
 

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