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2:01 PM
@chmod711telkitty Yes?
 
2:19 PM
This view just blows my mind. Happy Birthday CSGO! http://t.co/zqxCQQguJS
@AlexM. are you in there?
 
Morningz.
 
nope I skipped trying to go to koln after I saw that there'll be a dreamhack in my city
 
Morning
 
this autumn
smaller event but ~500+ eur cheaper :)
 
:)
I feel like downvoting this because he's doing OP's homework, but my rep is currently a multiple of 5 :(
 
2:44 PM
Damn, AMD is down to 18% share in the desktop GPU market. Shiet.
 
☑ rekt ☐ not rekt
go team green!
 
2:58 PM
:(
 
Wat?
 
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

― Isaac Asimov
@RadAway well it sucks because AMD is pretty neat
also monopolies are bad
 
They are really bad, especially considering all the under-handed shit Nvidia has been doing with their black box GameWorks, intentionally hampering AMD hardware and what not.
 
Yes :)
 
I'm still hoping Intel will try it's hand at discrete GPUs again
 
3:02 PM
@MaiLongdong Seems like an argument for a meritocracy.
 
lol
not at all
It's an argument against the dumbing down of things
 
Get out of technical debt with Unreal Engine 4! "I owed more than 14 Mythical Man Months, and now with UE4 I'm debt-free", said a developer.
Heh I know one PhD who would beg to differ
 
I miss the days when Unreal was an expensive piece of software aimed at professional developers, now every fool is churning out shit on a daily basis, suffocating Steam in shit. Both UE and Unity.
 
You're being a snob again :(
 
@RadAway Seems like an argument for a meritocracy
 
3:07 PM
It is.
This channel is pretty much a monument to that previous statement: youtube.com/user/JimSterling/videos
 
Deja vu
 
But the engines are not the worst thing, it is the asset marketplace. Not only was it not enough that people didn't write their tech, now others can do both your game logic and art for you.
There's Cat++.
 
Code reuse is so horrible
Garbage on Steam is Steam policy matter (and really, not even a problem, nobody forces you to buy garbage)
 
Code reuse is fine. But the point is, you add to it. You invest the weight of the engine or at least half of it in original code. Not repackage and resell shit.
Isn't a problem? Have you tried discovering new games there? There are some good curators, though.
 
Barriers to entry is universally terrible thing that doesn't affect quality whatsoever
You ~invest~ whatever you need to to achieve your goal with lowest cost
 
user1804599
3:12 PM
Rad go Away
 
@RadAway No, you can't, it's all drowned in Call of Duty 99
But do tell how elitism is making everything better :allears:
 
It's not about elitism. It is about the precise opposite.
"We are the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing . . . Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relay, our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire."
 
"ENGINES ARE TOO ACCESSIBLE" "no its not about elitism"
 
@MarcoA. why
 
3:14 PM
Yep
 
Being dependent on someone else's technology, you develop along the paths they desire. You're only helping yourself in the short term.
 
next step SO in Italian then. There are way more people who are incapable of speaking a decent English or even to use a pc
 
Looks good
 
@RadAway Are you... quoting Mass Effect?
 
Yes, Sovereign.
That line stuck with me since 2007.
 
3:15 PM
Makes total sense
You're helping yourself in a long term because you're not spending man-years on reinventing the fucking wheel
 
user1804599
huehuehue
 
If you're going to reinvent the wheel, you might as well not make games.
 
user1804599
(load console)
(def main ()
  ((.log console) "Hello, world!")
  (->log console "Hello, world!"))
 
user1804599
it werks
 
3:16 PM
What
 
Good technology, technology you understand, technology you wrote is the only one you can use to develop exactly what you envisioned. Not some half-assed version of your initial vision of the game.
 
@MarcoA. I completely disagree
 
Are you confusing reimplementation with innovation or what
 
Alright, let us agree to disagree!
 
@MaiLongdong I don't claim to be always right. Explain me your point
I might change my mind
 
3:17 PM
No, technology you wrote is bug-ridden garbage that can do 10% of what was available
 
That's rather presumptuous, but okay.
 
I still don't know if being bad at programming is prerequisite for being a gamedev or a consequence
8
 
@Borgleader leave sehe's chair alone
also: he got tanned
 
If you want "only technology you wrote" then you should be also writing your own OS and shit
(It's dumb useless OCD-level nonsense)
 
3:19 PM
@MarcoA. What is wrong with having multiple websites in different languages?
 
Writing your own OS for fun is a fantastic idea.
 
Are you trying to bend laws of physics to achieve "exactly what you envisioned" too
 
@CatPlusPlus dont forget all the third party middleware :)
 
@MaiLongdong it's a fact that programming speaks English, it would make more sense to start English courses for people who can't speak/write it decently
 
Well that's a false premise
 
3:21 PM
"goto" is English, and you use it a lot when C++ programming
 
No, "goto" is a keyword
 
Fact: programming languages are not English
 
It could be "alshcfasdfh" and it'd be the same thing, something you carbon copy from mind to code
Its meaning has nothing to do with English
 
but nobody wants to use my latin programming language!
 
3:22 PM
I shit on anglocentrism with the power of a thousand sphyncters
 
Are you LRiO now
 
user1804599
English names in APIs or GTFO.
 
numerus satus()
that is int main()
cool isn't it?
lemme commit it into clang
 
"goto" has a lot to do with English
Definitely not "nothing"
 
Please have a trip around China. Tell me when you find a program in English :))))
Same for Korea and so on
Oh wait, English isn't their native language! And latin isn't their native alphabet!
 
3:24 PM
That has nothing to do with the statement I wrote
 
I was lied to when people told me everyone was European/American?
 
My chinese co-worker used English when programming. Chinese when taking notes
 
user1804599
English isn't my native language either.
 
So, what? English is the best thing since sliced bread.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I am not replying to you
 
3:25 PM
English isn't my native language either. My native language is shit.
 
user1804599
Yet I am a genious when it comes to English.
 
Stop thinking you're the center of the world
hth
 
hth == hello tainted headless
 
I am thinking about uniting the world under the United Earth banner. Then, the United Federation of Planets. And glorious English.
 
3:26 PM
Esp because it's your mum that's the centre of the world
And everything else
 
^^
 
Fucking mosquitos
 
Lately, they've been intent on landing on my display rather than biting.
I am not sure how to feel about that.
 
Shouldn't have got plasma display
 
Too hot
 
3:29 PM
Damn, the ending of Dark Matter's latest episode has me itching for the next one. Fucking cliffhangers.
 
lol SO in Spanish
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ we were just talking about that
and I had your same reaction
 
ITT Italians being jealous of SO in spanish
vOv
 
yeah, I want it in Italian too
and in my local dialect
my grandma can't use a pc well
that doesn't mean she can't PHP
 
I've always hated any kind of localization. Especially automated localization.
 
3:30 PM
I hope they will never open an italian SO
 
you patriarchal etc.
 
Just because I'm from place X, doesn't mean I want to read news relevant in X or in the X's native language. In my case, I want to do everything but.
 
Oh god I finally found the bug
I am so fucking happy now
 
@Columbo mosquito?
 
@MarcoA. You don't have to look for those, they come to you.
 
3:34 PM
ITT first world people complaining about non-English speakers getting access to knowledge
 
Learn English. Get knowledge. It's not hard.
 
Oh shut up
 
@MaiLongdong No, you shut up, clown
 
Nobody rang you
 
@MaiLongdong LAPD fuckbird, learn some manners
 
3:35 PM
If you can deal with Chinese or Japenese, you sure as hell can learn something as simple as English and do the rest of the world a favor.
 
Why is everyone so retarded tonight
Can you even breathe
That requires neurons
 
I swear, looking over websites over there, it's like something that AdBlock missed. All over the place, spilling over, overflowing.
 
@MaiLongdong there's a jQuery plugin for that
 
@MaiLongdong Hey that's my line
 
3:37 PM
@Columbo Get a dick up your columbutt
I can play that game too
 
Wat
 
Babies
 
* rabies
 
Oh, I just noticed that Unity is still closed source. Hah.
 
3:41 PM
also Windows
 
It's annoying
 
Not sure how they are competitive given UE4's open policy, probably easy to use or something.
 
Because it's not C++
C++ is shit and UE's C++ is even worse
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes the transcript says it is
 
@RadAway if you need something simple Unity has a flat learning curve
 
3:43 PM
Can you license it to me
 
UE's code is a shitstorm. Has been for a decade.
 
@CatPlusPlus UE C++ is trash, but you CAN write modern-ish C++ vOv they compile with vs2013
 
You still need to go through their preprocessor
 
And it is still depending on light precomputation, which kills iteration times.
 
Ask Xeo how well that works
 
3:44 PM
sure, but decorating stuff to make it visible in the editor is alright
it's really not that awful
 
Not when you're piling garbage extensions on top of garbage language :v
 
and it sure as fuck looks prettier than unity! :P
 
Really? UI's heavier
 
oh, I mean... their renderer is more capable
 
Oh, that, who cares about that
 
3:45 PM
I do
 
Are you working for Ubisoft
 
it has to be said that Unity features a less flexible but terribly easier way to integrate your own renderer
I integrated a renderer in UE4
 
no, I like looking at pretty pictures
 
it's been a pain
 
Unity has crappy internal design, but UE is not any better
 
3:46 PM
Their renderer is shit, the brunt of the assault is taken by a few equations and an offline light precomputation software based on the usual scattering approach encoded via spherical harmonics. Once you take away the offline part, for something dynamic, Unity gets right up therew ith it.
 
Really the day I see well-designed game engine
 
UE love their outparams :-\
 
meh.. Unity has a huge gambling share. Many of the decisions might steer towards that
 
Hell freezes
 
What's it called, Swarm? Yeah, Swarm.
 
3:47 PM
I happily don't deal with lighting at all
 
@RadAway I have yet to see a beautiful game made in Unity shrug
 
Photorealism is overrated
 
it can add a lot to the atmosphere
 
I like the high end "gamey" look more than photorealism, actually. But good lighting factors in there, too.
 
witcher 3 is beautiful - certainly helps the atmosphere
 
3:48 PM
Yes fun and enjoyability are very secondary
 
Witcher 3 has been downgraded as fuck, their lighting engine completely separates sky and terrain lighting. But is a great game.
 
I'll take Crawl over any AAA game that was released in past 3 years
 
isn't factorio cool too?
 
I wouldn't play a fun game that doesn't have a good lighting engine
 
It's not AAA
 
3:49 PM
GTA V has a really good renderer, though.
 
@MarcoA. Holy shit...
 
@MaiLongdong Or $100M assets
Oh wait that's movies
 
@Mysticial that was a masterpiece, I almost felt guilty marking it for deletion
sometimes doing the right thing feels bad
 
What's masterpiecey about it
 
Just because you did the right thing, doesn't mean you get to feel right.
 
Yeah I've seen it
 
autoboxing?
come on?
whatever..
 
Deleted questions don't onebox
 
ah
 
So, why the o's in the SO logo these days?
 
3:51 PM
Try again perhaps
 
ha ha programming jokes
There's nothing funny about it
Nerds
 
Is there something you find funny except Portal, cat?
 
That one is very original
 
Catching pokemons as exception p sure that's new
 
3:52 PM
Like Kung Fury, do you consider that funny?
 
@MaiLongdong Never heard it before
Haven't watched it yet
 
I baby dose now and again just for the taste, but I'm doing good, bo, your eyes don't lie.
 
@MaiLongdong it was fun because the exception couldn't be caught
-> read
 
Yes I'm dying of laughter one moment please
 
oh finally
 
3:53 PM
Once my friend gets through his TODO list we'll grab something alcoholic and watch it
I'm sure it'll be entertaining enough
 
Oh, Mafia 3 has been announced.
Not sure how I feel about it.
 
@RadAway I'm Italian and I don't find this new
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, you'll need alcohol
loads of it
 
A few days ago, there was a funeral in Rome of a big mafia boss or something, apparently they played the Godfather theme as his golden carriage was arriving. Italians.
Oh, you posted it.
 
3:56 PM
*South Italians
 
"petals dropped from a helicopter"
AHAHAHAH. That's some next level shit right there.
 
: (
 
Doesn't Italy have regulations regarding the city's airspace? Especially as it pertains to funeral servicing.
 
Those can be bypassed by saying you're carrying hot pizza.
(I have no idea)
 
Not many repos under LoungeCPP's GitHub page.
Curious it has one at all.
 
4:04 PM
@RadAway theyre all on @elyse's github page
he's a repowhore badumtss
 
*she
 
I guess I am one of the few who prefer BitBucket to GitHub. Well, not that GitHub is bad, serves a different purpose. Open source community and all.
 
@RadAway Me too, I can hide my bad code from everyone else
 
@Borgleader you should show it proudly
if they really start complaining tell'em it's another language
 
It's usually not that bad at all. From my experience, those boasting good code are the ones with the shitiest stuff.
 
4:06 PM
like PHP or Perl
 
PHP is still a thing?
I've been stress testing Node these past few days, for something based on a browser's JavaScript engine it's pretty robust. Not stellar, but good.
Guise, what's the "The Second Great Lounger Marmalade". I've seen some references on the "official page" of this lounge to game jams, I'm guessing you're at it again?
 
Its a game jam yes
 
Interesting, might make an entry myself.
 
@MarcoA. Wow
Where's my ticket to Iceland?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I can't believe you didn't hear of it before my link
 
4:12 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Iceland, the land of the internet spaceships.
 
Radios, Tvs, newspapers and any other media are collapsing under captions related to that
 
@MarcoA. I just heard it from a friend yesterday. He just mentioned the "carrozza". Not the helicopter nor the amount of people there.
 
@JerryCoffin Hi! :)
 
@Borgleader Hello!
 
4:19 PM
@RadAway I dont see how they are openly being enthusiastic
 
Would've been more classy if they focused on the quality of their hardware, rather than kicking the other guy while he is on the ground to feel better about themselves and making graphs about it. No need to mention AMD at all.
 
@JerryCoffin how've you been?
 
Granted, it's "Nvidia confidential". On IGN's homepage.
 
@Borgleader Pretty decent, but extremely busy.
 
@RadAway I cant even tell if youre trolling right now
 
4:21 PM
I am. :Đ
Had to pick on the "Nvidia confidential", stronger than me.
Oooh, I need to see Patrick Stewart's Blunt Talk.
"The multiplayer is not your traditional first-person shooter multiplayer."
Translated: "The multiplayer is your traditional first-person shooter multiplayer."
 
confidential ftw
uh hi Jerry
 
@MarcoA. Hello.
 
When I first come to Vice City, I feel all lonely. A man on the outside. A foreigner. Then I say, RadAway, you like to talk a lot. So I get an unpaid job in the LoungeCPP and begin to make my name as a successful lounger. Now, I am not so lonely, but I never forget my roots.
 
@RadAway Latest DX12 benchmarks- AMD gains 70% performance. For existing cards.
 
AMD does have some nice hardware. Actually, they were always beating Nvidia in the hardware specs zone, their drivers were the issue. During our tenure in the DX12 Early Access, it actually took quite a bit for AMD to deliver drivers for DX12, right up to the past few months whereas we had Nvidia DX12 drivers since June of 2014. But they did good in the end. Nvidia fucked up somewhere with the drivers, they were on par during Early Access.
Actually, Nvidia was feature set complete at the start of 2015.
Most of AMD DirectX 12 hardware only supports feature level 11.1, some of the newer ones are 12.0 and 12.1
Would love to get my hands on a Fury X, though... HBM is sexy.
 
user1804599
4:38 PM
Portal is fun.
 
Too bad NVIDIA still can't get their drivers to support OpenCL 2.0 at all
It's probably very difficult
 
Fury X would cost me $1040 here. Not bad, given that it has a thousand more processing cores than a Titan X. But don't really need it over a GTX 980 right now.
@elyse It is. But you know what would be even more fun? Portal 3.
 
user1804599
no
 
It's going to come packed with Half Life 3. And a complimentary hooker.
Btw. what's all the rage with the NoSQL stuff lately? MongoDB doesn't even have joins, the populate functionality exposed by some of the drivers is pathetic both in idea and scope. For even slightly relational data or basically just logically grouped not to repeat oneself, it must be hell to get all that data.
SQL might look like shit, but it gets shit done.
@elyse y not?
 
@RadAway Never gonna happen. Portal story is finished.
 
4:45 PM
Its too late to make HL3
 
Yeah, I think they've missed the window, too. By a decade.
 
@RadAway Most things that are all the rage are terrible. It's a direct consequence of Sturgeon's Law.
 
it reached cult status, they need to wait for ppl to forget about it (if that every happens)
 
nah
I think they could make it work... they just don't want to
 
@RadAway Yes non-relational databases have no relations
 
4:48 PM
Beyond the story, what is there to Half Life? It was amazing the first time around because they were doing some pretty cool stuff for the first time ever. Is it even possible to breathe fresh air into the FPS genre?
 
the FPS genre doesn't really need fresh air breathed into it
it needs to effectively breathe the air it's already got.
 
@CatPlusPlus That much is clear, but what data isn't relational? I am genuinely curious where a document-based database might fly.
 
Uh, do you think all data is relational or what
 
@CatPlusPlus No. But there is always some.
 
I think that's fairly literally what he just stated.
 
4:49 PM
Then the answer follows
 
Relational data does not scale
 
user1804599
how do you create a symlink in Windows
 
Didn't express myself right, sorry. What I meant, there is always some that is relational. And being knee deep in a document-based database when you hit a wall is not pleasant.
 
edit the bits into a symlink on the hard drive.
 
user1804599
> ln : The term 'ln' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program.
 
4:50 PM
There's no silver bullet
Use database that fits your data
 
@RadAway That... is not very useful. The fact that there is some data that is relational doesn't mean you will maximize your benefit by using all relational.
you could just use more than one kind of database, or even just pick the database that fits the majority of your data
it's not like relational databases work that well with non-relational data.
 
The factors are horizontal scaling, workloads, consistency requirements
 
user1804599
ah, mklink
 
(MongoDB is shit, but that doesn't mean there's no use for non-relational databases)
 
They don't work particularly well, yes. But they do work. But hitting a relational grind with something like MongoDB will require you to do just what you're proposing, multiple kinds of databases. I don't get its popularity, is all. As Cat++ puts it, it's shit.
 
4:52 PM
It's not something you can answer in general
Popularity of bad solutions is usually explained by the same thing: people are bad
 
@RadAway MongoDB being shit, and document databases in general being shit, are separate arguments.
 
Do not criticize my general incompetence
 
Is there one that isn't shit?
I would love to see it!
 
my colleague is a big fan of RavenDB
 
user1804599
> cmd /c mklink /D quine.txt quine.eta
You do not have sufficient privilege to perform this operation.
 
user1804599
4:53 PM
LOL
 
Caches are fairly often key-value stores
Document stores are good when your data is mostly independent objects, even if you do have some bits that you'd normally model as relations
Graph databases are good for graphs, obviously
 
Indeed, I am just trying to imagine data which is mostly independent and am kind of not having much success.
RavenDB seems interesting, I'll check it out
 
@CatPlusPlus lies
 
I have a bunch of super manky ancient food in my fridge
 
Document databases are not used that much
 
4:55 PM
any advice for throwing it away without instantaneously losing my lunch due to the smell?
 
Oh, god, I can almost smell it.
Burn the fridge. Buy new one.
 
I considered simply throwing away the containers it's contained in.
 
Yes
Or buy a hazmat suit
 
they're just cheap crap from Ikea
 
@RadAway Read about the properties of different data models and how they actually work
 
4:59 PM
what I might do is take the binbag out of the bin, put the containers directly in the bag, and then throw out the bag immediately.
 

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