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5:00 PM
we don't have an exclusive mumble club
@Ell So.. you went to get your phone fixed but not your infected toe?
 
I plonked him, but didn't see the small symbol anywhere, that's why I was asking.
 
@ChemiCalChems Who?
 
@wilx nabajiwzqjqzt
 
@Puppy hell yeah we do
 
@ChemiCalChems I have never plonked anybody, I think. Not even j*lf.
 
5:03 PM
@ChemiCalChems why would you plonk him?
 
they often argue
 
ok
it's just such a disrespectful thing to do IMO
 
@ʞɔᴉN He was hateful towards me and I was tired if him acting like he was superior, plus what @Puppy said.
 
oh I was talking about wilx and jalf
 
@Puppy Use the reply arrows, guys.
 
5:04 PM
@wilx Yes, please. do
 
Nick was the one who didn't use it, I thought he was replying to you ;p
 
/o\
 
I often argued with nab too, so I decided plonking him would be a nice choice
 
Ell
@Puppy I got my phone fixed yesterday
Plus a phone is more useful than a toe anyway :P
I can fix my toe myself
In the short term
 
what, you're gonna prescribe yourself antibiotics?
 
Ell
5:12 PM
I don't need antibiotics :P
Are you the kind of person that goes to the GP when you have a cold?
 
@ChemiCalChems I would rather talk to people who have different opinions than people who only agree with me
but that's just me
@Ell lol, the worst kind of person
 
nope
but an infected body part is not the same as a cold.
principally because colds are almost always caused by an ultimately harmless virus, and infected body parts are caused by all manner of potentially fatal infections
 
Ell
Do you reach for antibiotics whenever you see pus?
 
do I ever see pus emerging from large-scale infections?
 
@Puppy Yeah we do.
 
5:17 PM
If your body has a decent immune system, most infections are not really a problem
i have never taken antibiotics in my life
 
@ChemiCalChems nabij acz leweli.
 
You most likely did
 
That's how I remember it.
 
nope
maybe a topical one? like alcohol wipes? dunno if that counts
last time I was in a hospital was when my little sister was born
 
Exclusive Mumble Club™.
@ʞɔᴉN You mean our?
 
5:19 PM
@Nooble good work, let's print out little business cards and hand them out
@Nooble :/
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yes, they have to be colorful and inviting.
 
we could have a rainbow pattern for the background
and #MumblePride somewhere
 
That would be perfect.
 
@ʞɔᴉN It's not that I didn't agree with him. In fact, I don't agree with most of you and that's not a problem. It's that he was snobbish and acted like he was better than me for knowing more, and also he looked down on me because of that. I don't like talking with people who can't understand that everybody is here to learn.
 
IT'S HAPPENING (AGAIN)
I hope it'll work this time
 
5:26 PM
alright fellers I'm off to santa barbara
 
@ChemiCalChems I'm not here to learn.
 
@ʞɔᴉN Don't leave.
 
@Puppy Here = in this world.
 
I'm not in this world to learn.
 
Okay fine, leave. Now the Mumble squad has two people MIA.
 
5:27 PM
in fact, it would be plain untrue to say that anybody is in this world to learn.
 
@Puppy Oh. Are you here just to fuck? But you gotta learn how to fuck one way or another.
 
Lolwut
 
that would make it a necessary mechanic, not an overriding purpose.
furthermore
 
ITT Discussions about life's purpose
Lounge<Philosophy>
 
it's hard to argue that any of us exist for any particular purpose.
especially as we don't even know the process that created life.
 
5:28 PM
@Puppy I'll rephrase what I wanted to say. I don't like talking with people who can't understand some people are here to learn.
 
@ChemiCalChems You're not in this world to learn. You might decide to come to the Lounge because you want to learn, but that's another matter.
 
Xeo
you're in this world to fuck.
 
@ChemiCalChems You might want to use a colon there.
 
@Xeo You gotta learn how to.
 
well not really
 
Xeo
5:29 PM
you're a mammal, you just know how to
 
lots of animals that have basically no brain at all can fuck
even bacteria can fuck
it's pretty clear that learning is a massive advantage for human beings but it's just a means to the ultimate ends
and even that isn't really an "end"
 
I'm at this place and this kid keeps on turning around and giving me a stare.
 
it's just "How to not die, as taught by statistical survival probabilities"
 
Ell
I have never taken antiobiotics either
and I have had infections before
 
you know that infections by different pathogenic species or in different locations can have wildly different impacts, right?
 
5:35 PM
Someone is shitstarring so much.
 
Ell
@Puppy so you do go to the GP at the first sight of pus? :P
 
no
but I only avoid my GP for specific things with which I actually have prior experience
and not completely unrelated problems caused by unrelated things
 
5:49 PM
ermh what =/
 
Ell
lol
 
lol
 
fuck it failed again
it was supposed to be downloaded now
 
6:07 PM
So you can subscribe again
And give them more money they so desperately need
Also lol paying for SWTOR
 
@CatPlusPlus Well I'm no longer paying my WoW sub with money so I'm shifting it to Swtoro
 
That's the biggest joke on the picture
TOR sucks
 
What's SWTOR?
Oh.
 
@Nooble gewgle mate
 
@Borgleader Yes I gewgled it.
 
6:16 PM
@Borgleader just dew it?
 
@melak47 mountain dew
wait...
 
Now it worked thanks
 
16 messages moved to bin
 
@Mysticial you missed one, but <3 anyway
 
Some fucker just stole from the store I'm in.
Manager confronted him.
 
6:24 PM
:O
 
Said it was illegal to question him.
Something something freedoms.
 
what's does that default reference mean in arrays ?
 
He just walked out.
 
@Nooble wait wut
 
Dunno why they didn't put him in Citizen's Arrest.
@Borgleader He said no one had the right of questioning him and accusing him.
 
user1804599
6:25 PM
My first OCaml program.
 
user1804599
It works.
 
@Nooble that makes no sense
 
@Borgleader I know.
I would've told him if I weren't 3 times smaller.
 
@Nooble from what you told me of the situation his brain was prob 3 times smaller than yours
 
And also "and even if I did steal the muscle milk, I wouldn't care".
 
6:27 PM
dafuq is muscle milk
 
Ell
O caml can you see, by the dawn's early light
prolly milk from a muscle
 
that sounds like it must be some ancient terrifying song
 
user1804599
Oh camel toe, oh camel toe.
 
Is CF cleared after certain operations that don't actually use it?
 
Ell
CF?
 
6:40 PM
Carry Flag
LOL
> /home/arcoth/Documents/TEMP2.cxx(36): catastrophic error: Substitution directive specifies non-existent operand in asm instruction
It's a catastrophy!
 
we have a bug category at work which is "Showstopper"
 
did you write many?
 
user1804599
@Columbo "catastrophic" is referring to C++
 
@Puppy :D
 
@Columbo Refer to the docs, but yes, in general if you don't do arithmetic, the flags won't get changed.
 
user1804599
6:44 PM
> Maybe is Phobos is not good considered, maybe I do not understand where it's can be helpful.
 
user1804599
wtf
 
@unordered_meow Good. I wanted to do an addition and then a modulus operation, and check whether the addition set the carry
But modulus is arithmetic
So I'll do the modulus after the jump
 
@Borgleader Weird milk.
Supposed to help you grow muscles.
 
@rightfold what
 
@rightfold Not everyone is native.
 
6:53 PM
nobody is native to Phobos
 
-.-
Clang doesn't support asm goto
What do those ignominious morons do all day long, implement C++1Z features…
 
why are you trying to write inline assembler?
 
@Puppy Because it solves my problem in the most efficient way.
 
you'll have to do pretty good to beat the compiler
(and even then just link the function in from another file instead of doing it inline?)
 
@Puppy Then I guess I have, because my measurements show a significant performance increase.
I need to do a conditional jump based on the carry flag.
 
6:57 PM
what was the original code?
 
@Puppy The original code used the condition max-a < b
Now it says asm goto("jc %l0;" :::: carry);
But that fails to compile under Clang.
 
there's an LLVM intrinsic for add-with-carry.
Clang might offer an intrinsic function for it.
 
@Puppy That's not what I need.
 
why not? just add and then branch on the carry.
that is what you just said you're doing
 
@Puppy __builtin_addc?
@Puppy I use unsigned __uint128. A corresponding "overload" of the intrinsic isn't provided.
 
7:00 PM
there's also __builtin_sadd_overflow
 
sad overflow
 
hm
you're right
that's unfortunate since the LLVM intrinsics apply to any integer width, iirc.
yep, they do.
 
@unordered_meow hehe
 
Ell
I wonder what ADTs would look like in my language
 
a library feature
 
Ell
7:13 PM
they would be built into the language
 
any particular reason?
 
Ell
I want them to have nice syntax
and also other reasons I can't write down
 
ADTs suck without pattern matching/destructuring syntax
 
@Nooble yo
 
7:26 PM
inb4 a vagina
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
 
user1804599
Excellent new colour scheme.
 
Nice colors, but font rendering failed though
 
user1804599
How?
 
user1804599
Maybe you have a different kind of monitor.
 
Crappy font
 
7:43 PM
@rightfold OSX D:
 
user1804599
The font is nice.
 
Too small, too much spacing
Also weird hinting
 
@CatPlusPlus Which font do you use? I just use Consolas :P
 
DejaVu Sans Mono
 
user1804599
I use Menlo 10.
 
user1804599
7:45 PM
well depends
 
user1804599
let s:uname = system("uname -s")
if s:uname == "Darwin"
    set guifont=Menlo\ 10
else
    set guifont=DejaVu\ Sans\ Mono\ 10
endif
 
@nabijaczleweli Yes?
 
no monospace fans?
 
user1804599
Menlo is literally DejaVu Sans Mono btw.
 
Oh, it's a Mac?
It explains everything
Font rendering on Macs is broken
 
user1804599
7:54 PM
No. It's very nice.
 
@ChemiCalChems Consolas is monospaced.
 
Oh, Jeff actually has a blog post on this
IOW it's blurry and annoying
because they have a different "philosophy"
 
user1804599
You can configure it to some degree.
 
@unordered_meow Perhaps this is the same reason their OpenGL support is lacking :P
 
@Nooble Monospaced fonts rock
 
Ell
8:16 PM
I use Source Code Pro
 
@Ell I wanna be a source code pro ;)
 
I use that on Linux
and I use Consolas on Windows.
 
Ell
Oh wait anonymous pro
 
user1804599
French programming languages are nice.
 
user1804599
8:22 PM
Eiffel and OCaml are both nice.
 
user1804599
I'm glad Larry Wall isn't French though; Perl variables would have genders.
 
Yeah but it has cockvariance
 
user1804599
catcalls :(
 
user1804599
yes Eiffel is terrible at LSP
 
I wonder if LSP is still important in languages with dynamic typing and/or duck typing (think Python)
there's no static type safety here anyway
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
Contracts are a thing regardless of type system.
 
user1804599
If you write code in a dynamically typed language you should write it as if the language were statically typed.
 
Yeah, but it's more a contract on the callee side
What you can pass and what not
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
If the language has no support for contracts directly, you have to put them in separate documentation, but it's still the caller's job to satisfy them.
 
user1804599
Some dynamically typed languages allow you to specify parameter types formally, e.g. Perl 6 and PHP, and they'll be checked at runtime.
 
user1804599
8:31 PM
Perl 6 also supports arbitrary preconditions.
 
whatup all
 
user1804599
I love how you can separate interface and implementation in OCaml.
 
if only
 
Ell
@rightfold how does it do it?
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
You write a file with type and value signatures.
 
user1804599
And a file with the implementation.
 
user1804599
And you can also parameterize modules and pass modules to other modules as long as they have the right signature.
 
Sounds too much like header files and source files
 
user1804599
The nice thing is that it's optional.
 
user1804599
8:43 PM
If you don't have an mli file then the compiler will invent one (in-memory).
 
9:15 PM
Hi.
 
@Veritas You can do that in most text editors.
 
@Veritas Sublime Text has that
 
The multiplication thing?
 
@Veritas Text in *scratch* buffer in Emacs can be evaluated as ELisp.
 
9:21 PM
Multiple cursors, yes
 
@wilx this is what I am referring to. It complements multiple cursors well in that example. Not sure how to do that in sublime text/vim.
but then again I am not an expert in neither.
 
Hi Bob.
 
Who's Bob
 
Veritas.
It was a joke on Mumble.
 
woot
 
9:36 PM
Woooot
The Teenage Programming room has a bot.
We need a bot.
 
there is a Teenage Programming room?
 
Yes.
 
it has a weird description
 
so do we most of the time
 
"A room for everybody BUT programmers", "General programming and life discussion"
 
9:49 PM
@Borgleader :P
 
@Veritas If it was the lounge it would be "A room for BUTT programmers"
 
Emacs has some nice stuff but I still can't stand using it
 
There are copies of loungers there.
Insted of Scott W they have Steve G.
Instead of Borgleader they have Blender.
 
Thats not even close
Blogreader of Blorgbeard is close
(fun fact the 2nd is an SO user)
 
Where has Bartek been?
 
9:55 PM
i think he left, prtty sure he hates us now
 
What did we do?
 
loungy things
 
Hehe I invited him back.
Well then, with him gone, how are we supposed to have game jams?
 
10:14 PM
you organize them
 
user406009
To be fair, the first link seems like a completely valid question.
 
user1804599
10:28 PM
Jul 18 '14 at 20:33, by rightfold
The only two close reasons that should exist are “terrible question” and “dupe.”
 
user1804599
Unless it's a dupe I tend to pick a close reason at random.
 
user1804599
It doesn't matter shit anyway.
 
user1804599
> Tuesdays she drives to a warehouse across town to star in bukkake videos. Seventy-five men cum on her face and in her hair during a shoot.
 
user1804599
And with that, I'm gonna sleep. Goodbye friends!
 
get out
 
10:32 PM
@Columbo I still dunno when I'll be in Portugal.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
> 2 petawatt laser
 
user1804599
FUCKING AWESOME
 
holy shit
 
user406009
They probably can only fire that laser for a very short amount of time though.
 
user406009
10:35 PM
I think you would be better off with my beat up microwave.
 
"In other news, Japan no longer exists"
 
I was more impressed by the double hand transplant. That kid has got 4 hands!
 
@CatPlusPlus "Scientists are certain that the two events are unrelated"
 
@rightfold WTF, longer telomeres have always been linked with cancer.
Cancer cells have telomeres that don't shorten and that's why they can grow forever.
 
brown dwarves are planets?
 
10:39 PM
welp
got work in da mawnin
 
@Puppy Good night?
 
user image
4
 
@Veritas Debatable.
 
I leave you with news that a silly dog had an argument with some barbed wire.
 
They're not stars for sure.
 
10:40 PM
which I assure you she lost.
 
@Puppy d'awww
 
and then could not stop scratching at her bandages and stitches
 
@Puppy :( Daft Daisy..
 
SUUUUUUUUUUP
I need to stop inviting my friends over.
They always bring too much alcohol.
 
Alcohol is not the problem, only drinking it
:D
 
10:47 PM
Tequila is garbage
Alcohol is garbage
 
@unordered_meow Can't just let it sit there.
 
I practically never drink alcohol
I had sangria a few weeks ago and... thats pretty much it for the last few months
 
Aug 5 '13 at 23:56, by Cat Plus Plus
Don't drink vodka from the bottle jesus
May 30 '13 at 23:31, by Cat Plus Plus
Who drinks vodka out of a glass jesus
Found these two while transcript spelunking.
 
Lounge<Alcoholism>
 
Ell
This replacement phone doesn't work even it seems
 
10:50 PM
That's why it's called a replac--wait,what.
 
Ell
I think ill have to buy one in Finland
I have learned a lesson about phone dependence at least
 
In other news, I have bread.
 
In other news, not anymore?
@Ell Did UK run out of phones
Is it related to that giant fuckoff laser
 
Hello Everyone,
I've got a quick question:

If I have a abstract base class copy assignment op as `virtual Base& operator=(Base& BaseObj);` isnt the override in child class meant to be `Abst& operator=(Abst& AbstObj)`
 
Don't do assignment operators in abstract classes
They'll only bring you pain
 
10:54 PM
Any reason why?
 
It just doesn't work well.
 
Overload resolution will beat you into oblivion
 
In object-oriented programming, a subclass can extend its superclass by defining additional member variables. If a superclass instance is assigned its value from a subclass instance, member variables defined in the subclass cannot be copied, since the superclass has no place to store them. This is a natural and unavoidable consequence of assignment by value from subclass objects. The term object slicing is sometimes used to refer to this aspect of assignment by value to a superclass instance. Object slicing is also used to refer to a more subtle, problematic, case in which an object assignment...
This too.
@hello No. Overrides must have the same signature, for obvious reason.
@hello If your class T can only be assigned objects of type T, then its assignment is not really polymorphic. So don't make it polymorphic.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus no but delivery and last minute changing my mind and panic and I'm bad
 

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