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2:00 PM
Like this
 
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ going to the bathroom, continue from here ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
this also works
 
someone bin it while hes taking a shit
 
Can someone void all these mindless stars?
 
I'll remove the only stupid one I put
 
2:02 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Really? I never actually figured out what was causing them or what the point was.
 
lol
It's not very reliable
 
@Hector: Being snide and accusing me of "trolling" is not the way to get me to help you. I'm deleting my answer. Consider being nicer next time. — Lightness Races in Orbit 41 secs ago
 
tbh there is no question there in his question
 
alright, here's an example of bloat
a feature you can't fucking turn off.
 
2:13 PM
@unordered_meow The guy is asking for an examplanation of the example.
It's as if there was an implicit "Why is it like this?" at the end.
 
@Puppy ffsm self deletion is something you shouldn't be able to do. You should only be able to nominate it. Or is there a way to recover these things and make the comunity owned?
 
Not all questions need a question mark of course.
@thecoshman Vote to undelete.
 
@thecoshman users with enough rep can vote to undelete
 
we can vote to undelete
which I did
 
thats 20k privilege right?
 
2:14 PM
"I cannot however be sure because the standard contains only one instance of 'type cast'" Then search for the actual term it uses. — Lightness Races in Orbit 14 mins ago
yeah that was a bit flame-baity
what LRiO needs is a PR department
 
@unordered_meow as is often the case with lrio
 
yea LRiO's comment was highly unnecessary. I nicer "The correct term is X" would suffice.
 
fuck
why does Windows 10 come with so much uninstallable crap?
 
lol
 
Because marketing
 
2:17 PM
cause SWAG
 
bloat
 
cause its free
 
some of them I managed to uninstall
 
@Puppy Yeah, non-uninstallable crap is better
:P
 
hmm
seems that you can at least remove the giant icons from the start bar, but then there's just a giant empty space instead of the useful links that Windows 7 had.
not sure why Microsoft insists on regressing
 
2:19 PM
From yesterday's(Sat) hike:
 
What useful links?
 
control panel and stuff like that
 
Consider that a progress from Windows 8
Two steps backward, one step forward
 
You can right-click the start butan
Or just pin them yourself
 
2:20 PM
butt-on
 
As you can see, the path was designed for skinny people
 
hm
 
click on the butt
 
I can pin it to the taskbar but not the start bar
 
I haven't been using Start since I installed FaRR
 
2:23 PM
hmm
 
can we run "modern" apps in windowed mode in windows 10?
 
@CatPlusPlus It's there by default on Mac OS X
 
IT'S HAPPENING
 
It's there by default in Win8+ too, but FARR is still better
 
2:25 PM
install finally started
 
@CatPlusPlus Why?
 
Aliases/groups
More configurable behaviour
 
user1804599
ugh
 
user1804599
escodegen doesn't support comments on parameters. Solution: make the comment part of the name of the parameter: { type: "Identifier", name: "n /* : number */" }.
 
Hmm. I broke something.
 
2:28 PM
Also Alt+digit shortcuts for 'launch this position' instead of using arrows to select it
 
lol PDO returns "1" or "0" for boolean MySQL values.
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ "t" and "f" for PostgreSQL Booleans.
 
user1804599
Which is even worse.
 
I fancy to see the apps I have designed for tiny phone screens to show up as large blurs on 27" touch screen monitors!
 
@CatPlusPlus Not really looking for keyboard-based searching.
 
2:30 PM
@rightfold Why not "n" and "f" instead (not false, false)
 
@Puppy It's great
 
Windows offered that since Vista or so
 
Also for some reason "0" and "1" evaluate to false and true respectively ???
 
See above
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ~~PHP~~
 
2:31 PM
none of those things really add value for me
 
Which is convient in this case but it's a huge wtf in general.
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Convert to Booleans immediately after receiving data from PDO.
 
What do you mean?
 
user1804599
Don't use "0" and "1" throughout your program.
 
user1804599
Convert them to Booleans as soon as possible.
 
user1804599
2:36 PM
Also wait for PHP 7 so you can use scalar type hints.
 
OMG PHP7 CAN'T WAIT
 
Yay! ICC works!
> icc (ICC) 15.0.3 20150407
Copyright (C) 1985-2015 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
 
intel icc?
 
@MarcoA. Oh yeah!
 
it has nice autovectorization passes for intel processors, especially costly ones i.e. Xeon
 
2:38 PM
@MarcoA. Well, I just got an I7 from 2013
hah
 
it'll do anyway :)
 
@MarcoA. :D
 
@rightfold Is this another "purity" argument thingy or does it have pragmatic shades to it too?
 
Are you FUCKING kidding me? They haven't even implemented relaxed constraints on constexpr functions!?
 
user1804599
Eh, well, it's uh, pretty useful to have a proper internal representation of your data so you don't get surprising behaviour when you compare or print stuff?
 
2:40 PM
I never print booleans and never compare booleans, so I'm not sure how that would be useful.
 
user1804599
You're really dumb.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I do print them from time to time.
It's nicer to do so with boolalpha
I wonder why it isn't set by default
 
In PHP you should be using === a lot to avoid dumb implicit conversions
 
user1804599
But go ahead and use those strings as Booleans. But don't get angry at PHP when your stuff doesn't work later.
 
It's easier for me to forget to convert some of the data types to boolean, leading to a mix of the two. If the conversion actually yields no benefits when using it as a boolean, then I don't see the point of spending hours trying to cover all possible booleans coming from PDO.
 
2:42 PM
Canonical bool test is === true/false due to fact that some functions return either booleans to signal errors or things that might evaluate to booleans otherwise
 
Not for if statements.
 
Not for if statements... what
 
Booleans in if statements are not checked with ===.
 
If you don't want correct behaviour then no
 
So if (1) { A } else { B } runs A.
 
2:44 PM
It will bite you in the ass so hard your head explodes and sooner rather than later
hth
 
I hope it will bite me in the ass way after my professor has graded me, and the project is abandoned.
 
Always use type-strict comparisons unless you really really really know what you're doing
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ oh right... well job done then
 
@thecoshman That one is actually an interesting question after all.
Didn't know typedefs were looked up earlier than functions in that context.
Also I thought SQL had "proper" boolean types to begin with.
 
Standard might
 
2:53 PM
@Columbo Setting up Vim is insane
 
@ChemiCalChems because youd have to be insane to use it
 
It takes some setup yeh, but you can benefit a lot from customised config
And really you can just grab someone else's
 
customization is usually a waste of time
 
Not really
 
@rightfold You know that {…} thing that you can do in bash, right? Say I wanted to compile with two different compilers but the exact same arguments. Would that trick be applicable there
 
2:56 PM
No
Just use a loop
 
user1804599
@Columbo No, I don't know that {...} thing you can do in Bash.
 
for c in compiler-1 compiler-2; do $c ...; done
 
@rightfold But I precisely pinged you because you were the one that used it on Coliru and I asked you wtf that was and you explained it IIRC
@CatPlusPlus Ahh, that's what I wanted. Cheers.
 
user1804599
But if you want to run two different programs with the same arguments, the first step is to not be a moron and use Z shell, then do this:
 
user1804599
for c in g++ clang++; "$c" foo bar baz
 
2:58 PM
Can you stop insulting people? I know you find it hilarious and all, but it's getting tiresome.
7
Thanks.
Please don't invoke freedom of speech or something like that.
 
that's more of an Americanism
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He didn't insult people. He insulted morons.
 
what, by comparing you to one of them?
I think you just insulted yourself
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No.
 
I'll start flagging you for it I guess then.
 
2:59 PM
@Puppy He never implied that people who use Bash are morons. He just said that people who use Z shell aren't.
Actually, not even that.
 
@Columbo Your reading comprehension skills are not particularly sharp, I see.
 
> the first step is to not be a moron and use Z shell, then do this:
I interpret that as two things: Don't be a moron [X], use Z shell [ ]
 
ya may need additional English classes then
 
i read that as "if youre not using Z shell, you're a moron"
 
I know you are a lounger and therefore very good at ignoring context, but in this case, surprisingly I know, context matters.
So quoting things out of context and analyzing them as separate pieces might not be the best thing to do.
 
3:03 PM
@Borgleader Well, he was wrong then
 
user1804599
I could create an AST node variant for each binary operator.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I can't quite see how my quote was ripping the context apart.
 
user1804599
Or I could make a single one that contains the operator as a parameter.
 
user1804599
That's better I guess.
 
the evil package seems interesting. I may finally give emacs a try.
 
3:06 PM
@rightfold I second what Jefffrey said. You don't have to be a condescending prick to teach things to people.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Actually, they are. Also, you insulted me, while literally five minutes ago complaining about people insulting people
 
not the same thing at all.
 
I'm sure in rightfold's head it's running the "if people are offended, then they are moron and they deserve it" program.
It seems to be what the cool kids do these days.
 
I think rightfold was obviously going for a more humorous tone but failed.
 
really depends on the hypothetical offending
and the reaction
 
3:08 PM
But rightfold gets offended all the times, does that mean he's a moron?
 
@Veritas He tries to use "moron" in a rather mischievous teasing way, perhaps
 
I don't think he actually considers people who don't use Z shell morons.
 
your mother's rather mischievous in bed
 
Alright, I should probably stop translating words the way I do atm
 
3:11 PM
@Columbo this is also how I read it.
 
also fuck Windows 10 install failed yet another time
 
@Columbo Not really =/ He's pointing out you didn't read that properly, if he wanted to insult you wouldve probably said something like "you fucking suck at reading comprehension" or wtv. How else was he supposed to say it so you don't feel insulted?
 
@Veritas That doesn't justify its use, of course. If he pisses people off, it's very probably his fault.
@Borgleader You don't have to use vulgar language to insult people lol
 
Moron may be a bad choice, I agree.
 
there's a difference between insulting you and legitimately pointing out that you did it wrong.
 
3:12 PM
@Veritas He is doing that a lot recently. So this episode is really just the tip of the iceberg. That's also why I said "it's getting tiresome" and why I recognized that he is doing it for the fun of it by writing "I know you find it hilarious".
 
@unordered_meow :P
Good morning, lounge!
 
I am not justifying it, there is obviously more into it than what I am aware of.
 
@ScottW Now give me that Noobel Prize.
 
@Columbo wtv, i still dont think it was an insult
 
@Puppy Lol. If he wanted to point it out, he should've said "You misinterpreted what he wrote." He instead told me that my "reading comprehension skills are not particularly sharp". I don't leave comments under SO-questions a la "Your programming skills aren't particularly sharp, are they?"
 
3:15 PM
I do
 
@Puppy That's because you're a sadistic arsehole Maybe you should stop then
 
Arsehole is a funny word.
 
@Nooble do you also find asshole funny?
 
@Columbo I'm not against offending people every once in a while. I'm against randomly offending people every single time for months.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ C'mon, he's not that bad
 
3:19 PM
Then vote to invalid the next flag you see on his message.
 
You're all nerds
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I strive to never judge posts or messages by the author, but rather by their content. If his message seems derogative or abrasive, I'll validate a flag.
 
And as always you like to strip the context away.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ What context
 
The author
 
3:22 PM
@Borgleader No, just arsehole :D
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Look. It's completely irrelevant who writes "You're a fucking moron." It's not more (or less) flag-worthy if it comes from rightfold.
 
so dumb
 
4 mins ago, by ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
@Columbo I'm not against offending people every once in a while. I'm against randomly offending people every single time for months.
 
@Columbo That's not true.
 
oops wrong link, i dread the day where it might be pr0n
 
3:23 PM
@Columbo I think that the author and the surrounding posts are fairly relevant when deciding whether to flag or invalidate.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ The surrounding posts are. I never said they weren't.
Alright, alright, maybe the author is relevant.
 
@Columbo Why?
 
He's agreeing with you now, just take the victory >.>
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Because the set of messages from one author has tendencies.
 
Exactly
 
3:29 PM
I mean, if someone pisses off everybody for ages and then goes "fuck you", other measures are necessary than if e.g. a normally "nice", respected user suddenly said that. For the latter it might be a singularity. But repeated insults are less and less tolerable.
 
@Columbo Oh fuck you!
 
Look at all those stars.
 
SCNR.
 
@JerryCoffin Alright, that clearly translates into "I love you" by the context-dependent insult translator
 
@Columbo I love you!
 
3:34 PM
@JerryCoffin Yes please; when dya wanna meet?
 
@Nooble I know, hon
@R.MartinhoFernandes Will I get an answer to my question?
 
@Puppy Right now, of course.
 
(I usually don't take no answer as "no")
 
I don't believe that I can teleport across the Atlantic
 
@Puppy Damn! Oh well, I guess I'll have to live without.
 
3:36 PM
@Puppy You could walk.
You just need to be Jesus.
 
I could indeed walk across the Atlantic but that would just take too long
 
@Nooble Or walk very, very fast
 
@Puppy "If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read: 'President Can't Swim.'" (Lyndon Johnson).
 
I just watched a documentary on a Chinese fairy tale about 8 deities fly across the ocean(八仙过海). Turns out, it was a true story, but it was actually 8 prisoners escaped a maximum security prison on an island a few hundred to a thousand years ago, swam 20km to the mainland. Out of 3000 prisoners sent to the island, only 180 would survive because of lacking of food. The rest would be killed.
 
I could swim, like, 0km.
 
3:47 PM
learn to swim, drowning is not fun
 
@FlorianMargaine Are you sure about that? Have you ever actually tried it?
 
@JerryCoffin yeah. I drowned twice already.
 
if you want to drown faster, try scuba diving
or surfing
 
I've been in pools, problem is that I lack the courage to float.
 
I tried both, doing neither any more
 
3:50 PM
@chmod711telkitty I could swim like 1 km in 25 minutes when I was fairly fit. I think I would drown on 20 km distance.
 
@chmod711telkitty Body-surfing.
 
Once I was training for an ocean swim event, I could swim like 2km in a row easy
Not sure now, have only swam a couple of times in the past 2 years
@Nooble you would float in calm water in the ocean because sea water is denser than flesh
Once of my favourite activities is to spread limbs out so I can float on the surface of the sea
you don't have to do a thing ... provide that there are no huge waves
@wilx I think they had something to help them float, like dried tree branches & they had the whole night to do that 20km
@JerryCoffin what about undercurrents that drag you down?
 
hey guys. got a question
i just formatted a usb drive of mine, cause it had all useless data in it and stuff
so after unmounting the drive i proceeded to do mkfs.nfts /dev/sdb1
now its initializing the device with zeroes
is it actually erasing every trace of data by setting every bit in the flash memory to 0?
 
No, it's turning your USB drive into a banana nutmeg cake.
 
what do you have to hide?
 
4:01 PM
If it's taking longer than 2 seconds then yes
 
@ChemiCalChems Well, it has to create a table for directories at some point. And a label.
 
@chmod711telkitty Nothing, I was just curious, cause in case of having to hide something it's awesome.
 
Not sure if that's on a separate piece of memory inside the stick though. Probably not.
(The label)
 
mkfs.ntfs actually does full zeroing by default
 
@CatPlusPlus It's taking far more than 2 seconds, so I bet it's erasing the whole device.
@Columbo Of course, but any previous data will be wiped.
@CatPlusPlus Yeah. That's why I'm surprised.
 
4:03 PM
Label is part of filesystem metadata
Where else would it be
 
Ell
I didn't know mfks.ntfs did it by default
 
user1804599
Cat
 
user1804599
I love you
 
user406009
There must be a quick format option or something.
 
You probably want to always call mkfs.ntfs -fC
 
4:04 PM
@Ell I think it's awesome. If you format something, you normally would want to wipe all the data from it. The only bad thing is that it takes a lot longer, but it's good.
 
Unless you really want that zeroing I guess
 
is it now a love triangle between cat, rightfold & cicada?
 
@rightfold That's better /cc @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
 
@CatPlusPlus I myself don't care, but it's nice to know the fast format command
 
Compression is sometimes useful, and apparently you have to switch some bit on
Hence -C
 
4:05 PM
@Ell Did you get a new camera?
 
Ell
I think zeroing by default is a bad idea
@Nooble No
My phone is.in the shop atm
I'm supposed to be getting a call in 3 hours to see whether it can be fixed in time
I have a temporary phone atm
 
Xeo
4:22 PM
Yay, finished Epic Battle Fantasy 4. Only took like 24h...
 
More drama in the Lounge?
 
user406009
This isn't true drama. We need Vlad back for the true drama to begin.
 
@Lalaland AFAIK vlad was never a lounger and hes not currently banned so idk what youre talking about
 
Why is he banned.
 
read it again
 
4:34 PM
he was banned at least once
IDK if he's still banned
 
i just checked his profile, he isnt banned atm
and he was banned repeatedly, at least once for revenge downvoting
 
Who got banned?
 
@Mysticial vlad was banned some time ago.
 
He was banned for 3 months earlier this year.
 
@Borgleader Oops.
 
4:43 PM
Is Nab not here?
 
4:57 PM
he's on vacation
 
who?
 
nabajiwzqjqzt
 
oh I ignore that dude mostly anyway
 
he's alright
he's one of the few members of the exclusive mumble club
 

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