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3:17 AM
And now I finally have internet. :)
 
Boring. You should have the internet. ;)
 
@Mysticial Hey, that went faster than expected.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, wasn't expecting it to get here to quickly.
 
@Mysticial So how fast is the connection?
 
Wait, why wouldn't you have internet?
 
3:24 AM
"25 Mbits/sec"
Nothing fancy.
They didn't have anything between 5 Mbits/sec and 25 Mbits/s.
 
@Nooble Because he just moved?
 
Oh.
 
@Mysticial But did they have 100? :-)
 
@JerryCoffin He must had a very loose LAN port then. :)
 
Lol.
 
3:28 AM
@MarkGarcia Very loose--stretched all the way from California to Illinois.
 
@Mysticial Pretty shit internet.
 
I mean it's not that bad.
 
tsk tsk Americans... We just had 10 Mbps here and I can't believe what I'm experiencing!
 
@JerryCoffin I care less about bandwidth and more about unlimited data.
Since I download all my shit overnight.
 
you mean you care less about the speed and more about the bandwidth?
you're mixing terms up
 
3:32 AM
I think he means download quota?
 
@Rapptz I think he means just that total usage over time isn't limited.
I am currently paying for (apparently severe) sins of my former life, staying in a hotel.
 
@Rapptz Isn't bandwidth the speed?
@JerryCoffin Hehe your carrier is Cox.
 
the term bandwidth in the context of ISPs is usually total consumed data over the month in GB/s
that's how it is in Canada & friends.
 
@Nooble You could equate "speed" with latency pretty easily. As the old saying goes, "never underestimate the bandwidth of a van full of DVDs."
@Nooble For the moment. Hopefully only until the end of the week though (not that Time Warner is exactly perfect either).
 
anyway time to play video games.
A bandwidth cap, also known as a band cap or a data cap, limits the transfer of a specified amount of data over a period of time. Internet service providers commonly apply a cap when a channel intended to be shared by many users becomes overloaded, when the provider sees an opportunity to exploit their customers lack of competitive options or understanding of the services and technology. Implementation of a bandwidth cap is sometimes termed a Fair Access Policy, Fair Usage Policy or Usage-based billing. == Standard cap == In many situations, each user of a network has been expected to use high...
 
3:37 AM
@JerryCoffin Yeah they're not. I remember them not allowing me to access the router settings.
You couldn't connect to 192.168.0.1 (or whatever the default gateway was).
 
@Rapptz Made me think of a great ISP protest paraphernalia.
 
so much for video games :v
friend went to eat
 
@MarkGarcia spoiled kids!
 
@Cicada Why when I was a kid, our Internet connection was so slow...it took 20 years for it to connect at all.
6
 
longest tcp handshake ever
 
3:51 AM
@Cicada There was an ever-so-slight delay, waiting for TCP to be invented...
 
So, Robot nailed it then. I can sleep easy now.
 
It's just amusing how at times you were able to catch majors bugs after endlessly trying to fix one caused by a typo.
 
4:10 AM
> Dev workstations minimum:
x99 chipset, 6 core i7, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD
non-dev detected
 
@Cicada 1TB SSD? That's a lot.
 
@Mysticial I want 1.2.
 
lol
 
4:33 AM
> It is only two months after we released the first public version of <censored>, but we got tons of positive feedback already on the work we have done so far. We got 3000 stars on GitHub, more than 1500 followers on twitter [more bullshit redacted]
 
I heard people from western countries are rich. $1,000 bucks must be nothing to them.
:)
 
@Cicada But were they gold stars?
 
@LucDanton I don't know but hey, 3000 of something must be a lot!!
Certainly a good measure of quality!
 
@JerryCoffin I want 2.4. Put them in RAID 0.
 
@Rapptz you (have) use(d) MSYS2 right?
 
4:45 AM
@Nooble I think one would be fast enough (at least for a week or two).
 
yes
I'm using it right now
 
I've recently learned it generates fully native stuff, no cygwin.dll or similar bullshit, right?
 
?
 
@orlp MSYS itself doesn't generate diddly squat (but it's often used with MinGW, which generates fully native stuff that doesn't need cygwin.dll or similar).
 
what's your workflow like with MSYS2?
 
4:48 AM
I just use it when I need ./configure
 
so far I've been using mingw-builds and I'd like to continue to do so
what's the best way to do only the stuff you need to do in MSYS2, and then the rest using regular mingw?
 
I'm not really following there
msys2 is just a shell with default environment set up e.g. /usr/bin
 
but it also has its own packages and own binaries
 
right it has pacman but I only used it when I built GCC
 
so if I understand correctly you don't install any packages, and just use the mingw-builds binaries from within MSYS2?
 
4:52 AM
I have a lot of packages installed
I was kinda forced though
I just use the binaries included in the regular MinGW-w64
Which is just g++, make and some other stuff.
 
I should probably investigate this properly and write up a tutorial
there's so many traps to avoid to get a sane build environment in windows
 
piss easy tbh
 
Yay! for Robot's love life. I hope it all went well.
 
Okay, HDMI KVMs are kinda expensive...
 
wait, did the 32 bit SEH patent expire?
 
5:09 AM
Hmm... this 25 MB/s thing really is as fast as advertised.
3.5 MB/s download.
 
@Mysticial you mean 25Mbit/s?
 
yeah, 25 Mbit/s
oops
 
25 = 3.5 confirmed :D
 
It's kinda overkill actually.
 
@Mysticial that's slow though =/
 
5:11 AM
For me it's overkill. Since I rarely DL stuff on demand.
I usually just queue them all up overnight.
 
I think my internet is slow and it's 6 MB/s
 
I have 150Mbit here
it's great
 
lol
In the meantime, the TV box they gave me doesn't have an HDMI output. fuck
 
@Mysticial wut
what the fuck is this flag
 
I guess that's what the extra $10/month that I didn't want to pay for does.
I'll probably just have my Dad send me the component -> VGA box that I have at home.
 
5:13 AM
also, why do you have a TV box?
I never watch TV =/
 
@orlp Because it comes with the internet package.
 
doesn't mean you'll have to use it :P
 
I could either get 5 Mbit/s internet only for $20/month.
 
you can't buy just internet?
o.0
 
you can but it's expensive
 
5:14 AM
Or 25 Mbit/s internet + TV for $40/month.
 
they bundle TV to force you to buy it
 
I have no intention of buying a TV. So I want to use my one of my monitors.
In the meantime, my 4-monitor setup is complete.
It's nice.
I think I've splurged enough for the next few months.
No more computer stuff until Skylake.
 
at my dad's place we get 500MBit/s for 60 euro / month
symmetrical
so dl + ul both 500mbit
 
I spent just under $2k on this new 4 monitor setup.
And it's awesome.
 
Good morning.
 
5:17 AM
morning
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's our loverboy!
the robot pimp
 
Here is something to get everybody up:
 
5:31 AM
typescript modules being shit today again
 
Btw, this thing, is pretty awesome.
No need for a wall mount like I did back at home.
It says it handles up to 27 in. monitors. There's plenty of room to spare, so you could go up to 29 or 30 in. provided you stay under the weight limit.
 
what do you do with 4x27-30"
 
I'll post a picture tomorrow when the lighting is better and when my parents bring a real camera instead of my iPhone shit.
Oh and.
If you turn a 1440p monitor vertically, you can see 25 shitty questions on the homepage of SO instead of just 10.
9
 
5:59 AM
hello
 
6:15 AM
@JohanLarsson Wow, tell me more!
 
@Jefffrey hihi thanks :)
 
@Mysticial Looks pretty awesome, I'm tempted to buy it, now that I have enough money.
 
@Rapptz do you maintain two seperate installs of mingw-w64, one for 32-bit and one for 64-bit?
I'm not exactly certain what the best way to go about it is
 
64-bit only
 
I do want the capability of making 32-bit binaries though =/
 
6:25 AM
I don't
 
7 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm lying. I didn't really forget about being out of town ;)
sneaky robot ;)
 
@Mysticial do you use both 32-bit and 64-bit mingw on windows?
 
@orlp I don't use mingw.
 
@Mysticial o.0
what do you use?
 
turbo c++
 
6:29 AM
And here's a screenshot of vertical 1440p:
 
wow
 
@Mysticial do you never read replies or something?
1411
 
@orlp If I don't respond, it's because I didn't click my notifications. :)
 
nice
 
@Mysticial why not?
 
6:31 AM
It's an OCD trigger
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit seriously I had to listen to Radio Friendly Song after that
to wash it off
 
@orlp He'd lose one of his most effective arsenals against folks in meta.
 
@MarkGarcia I don't understand?
 
3 mins ago, by milleniumbug
It's an OCD trigger
 
Jesus
 
6:37 AM
@DeanSeo Yes?
 
@khajvah is your name Jesus? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I am an angel
 
@khajvah Hi angel.
 
Jesus's REST api
 
JaaS, Jesus as a Service
 
6:39 AM
So, I am just curious how you guys get scores here? like, a LOT of scores.
I'm overwhelemd by +58524
Also I ain't sure how to spell properly overwhelemd.
overwhemled
 
overwhelmed
 
@DeanSeo Mystical is specialized in optimization stuff.
 
@DeanSeo You first need a time machine.
 
@DeanSeo Turn on spell check in your browser?
 
Then copy the train answer.
 
6:41 AM
Oh yeah, that train answer.
15376
A: Why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

MysticialYou are the victim of branch prediction fail. What is Branch Prediction? Consider a railroad junction: Image by Mecanismo, via Wikimedia Commons. Used under the CC-By-SA 3.0 license. Now for the sake of argument, suppose this is back in the 1800s - before long distance or radio communicati...

 
Oh wait. I got it the wrong way. You need to copy the train answer first. Bonus for the updates and edits it would gather by the the you get your hands on the time machine.
 
if rep caps didn't exist
that answer alone would generate 4 times my current reputation
 
lmao! (nsfw-y)
 
> Meanwhile, The BBC has reportedly replaced the old Top Gear line-up with a "dream team" of new presenters made up of model Jodie Kidd, actor Philip Glenister and former motorcycle racer Guy Martin.
uh, "a model"
yeah well this is sexism in a nutshell
 
A model after Jeremy
:(
 
6:48 AM
he's apparently doing something on his own
not that I really care that much, I don't watch Top Gear
also a first biker this season died recently
 
Those three were pretty much the whole point of Top Gear
 
near my hometown
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did he ride like crazy?
 
@khajvah apparently
 
Xeo
@LucDanton But there's no problem with that implementation - which the borrow checker just can't see, because it can't look into .find or the function you provide it.
 
Ven
7:01 AM
o/
 
@Xeo find takes &mut self.
 
@DeanSeo Still hesitant to reset my kakao :w
 
That being said, I’m curious about the relationship between that &mut self and the Option<Self::Item> return type.
 
@Cicada Do you often use Kakao there?
How much history?
 
@LucDanton That is their private business and none of your concern.
 
7:09 AM
@Cicada Oh yeah, then how come it has public visibility and not private?
 
@LucDanton They like the attention.
 
Programming jokes suck.
kkkkk
 
@DeanSeo Yeaaaah
 
@Cicada You don't have to reset Kakao until you figure out how to get all your history back.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton bound to the same lifetime?
 
7:13 AM
What a sophisticated expression for marriage!
@DeanSeo I think I'll just reset it
 
@Xeo yep
Try to change e so that it’s &mut i32 and not a copy: bor is not allowed.
Makes sense to me.
 
Did someone mention sigils
 
Ven
$yes
@LucDanton oh, are you good with rust? :p
 
Generally speaking, no.
 
Our baseball has a new term.
Cold Game.
 
7:17 AM
The opposite of a hot game, presumably.
 
Which is, a misinterpretated version of "Called game"
 
Which is a misinterpretated version of "misinterpreted"
 
misinterperpretaed
 
misperpretated
 
(ㅠ___ㅠ)
Long words are my weakness.
Entrypreneurship?
You know things like taht that.
 
7:21 AM
@orlp MSVC and ICC
 
@Mysticial you don't use C++11 intensively?
@DeanSeo you play?
 
@orlp I watch!
 
@DeanSeo close enough :P
 
@orlp I do. MSVC has most of the stuff that I use.
*The latest MSVC that is.
 
Ven
@Mysticial did you try vs2015RC?
 
7:23 AM
@Mysticial all right, I tried compiling my c++11 library with MSVC2013 and it borked a ton
 
@Ven Not yet.
 
gave up trying to support it
 
For now, I prefer to stay with stable versions.
 
constexpr and stuff
 
Ven
@Mysticial Ah, well, that makes sense. Took my 3 hrs to install it, and then it wouldn't compile anything :(
 
7:24 AM
Part of the reason why I don't run into problems is that MSVC is my primary editor.
 
Ven
@rightfold fun
 
Which happens to be a pretty good lowest common denominator.
If it works in MSVC, it's likely to work everywhere else with minimal modifications.
 
Ven
@rightfold is that a weed farm?
 
The main exception being some of the template bullshit.
 
user1804599
The farm is really ugly.
 
user1804599
7:24 AM
Some guy built it.
 
user1804599
If he doesn't remove it I'll set it on fire.
 
Ven
@Mysticial Well, if you know what MS added (and I'm sure you do), otherwise you might need to change some __declspec or whatever it is
@rightfold you can't set glass on fire
 
@DeanSeo Only a disestablishmentarianist would hold that against you.
 
@Ven Those are obvious. (to me at least)
 
user1804599
@Ven it's made of wood
 
7:26 AM
I think one of the biggest problems I had where MSVC had something that GCC didn't was the add-with-carry intrinsic.
 
Ven
@rightfold oh, then I'm not talking about the same one
 
user1804599
the dirt will be removed by TNT
 
user1804599
@Ven the ugly thing on pillars
 
Ven
Ahh.
 
It was added to MSVC and ICC very early on. GCC didn't get it until 5.1? I think.
 
7:26 AM
@Mysticial You mean MSVC 2013 is???
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah. I'm using VS2013 update 4.
 
@LucDanton Is that a valid word?
 
@Mysticial :P
 
VS2013 update 4 is definitely one of the more stable versions of VS I've used.
 
@DeanSeo Why are you so judgemental!
 
7:28 AM
@DeanSeo English being what it is, it’s hard to say 'no'. 'Disestablishmentarianism' has currency though.
Disestablishmentarianism refers to campaigns to sever links between church and state, particularly in relation to the Church of England as an established church. It was initially a movement in the United Kingdom in the 18th century. The established churches in Wales and Ireland could not count on even nominal adherence by a majority of the population of those countries. In Ireland, the predominantly Catholic population campaigned against the position of the established Anglican Church of England - eventually disestablished in Ireland in 1869. In England there was a campaign by Liberals, dissenters...
 
@Mysticial Really? I find it just as flaky as the last several major versions have been
 
std::shared_ptr<T> x = false; compiles
what the fuck C++
just what the fuck
 
@jalf Probably because I use a different part of the compiler than most other users.
 
Dang, I forgot to up the ante with 'anti-'.
 
how is "false" a proper value for a pointer
 
7:29 AM
could be
 
@DeanSeo No. It wouldn't fit on current processors.
 
Dise-tablishment-arianism.
 
Nearly all the MSVC bugs I've found were SSE optimization bugs.
 
@DeanSeo anti-dis-establishment-arian-ism
 
Aha
 
7:30 AM
It's as if I'm the only person who uses MSVC with SSE/AVX intrinsics.
 
I mainly just see a few ICEs and about a bajillion IDE crashes
 
TIL about Nyotaimori
NSFW
 
The only ICEs I've gotten in MSVC in the last year involve function pointer templates.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz it's an integral constant expression with a value of zero.
 
Here it doesn't crash too often but the ICEs breed like bunnies.
 
7:33 AM
@Mysticial Would these optimizations even help you?
 
@BartekBanachewicz for the same reason this compiles: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/847e62ae105fba4b
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz bool to int conversion?
 
@BartekBanachewicz -Werror=zero-as-null-pointer-constant
 
user1804599
-W{all,extra,error,pedantic} or GTFO.
 
@MarkGarcia That video is about optimizations?
 
7:36 AM
@Mysticial First half.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Either way, false is a perfectly valid null pointer constant in C++11.
 
The rest is about Objective-C iOS shit.
 
it seems C++14 disallows it
In C++14 the null pointer constant is "an integer literal with value zero, or a prvalue of type std::nullptr_t".
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
dat manual
 
7:39 AM
@Cicada hmpfh
@orlp makes way more sense.
 
@MartinJames lol
 
user1804599
haha 15 mm vs 100 mm
 
Ell
Morning
@Cicada howww
Are you eternally awake?
 
@rightfold eyes hurt from looking at it.
 
7:44 AM
@MartinJames Double agony.
 
@Ell It's 3:44 PM here
 
user1804599
IQueryable is sexist. Should be IQueeryable.
 
@fredoverflow I an invite for some slack thing. It was pretty cool, a bunch of book authors etc, they were all very fanboi about Don :)
 
> This is, what, your third Meta rant now? Pretty pathetic behaviour, especially for an alleged Ph.D candidate. Ah well.
lol
haha, 10 hours ago he wrote this
> I've tried to be a member of the SO community, but the people here are rude and unpleasant. I wan't nothing more to do with any of you. In the future, when I have programming questions I'll seek out people who don't get off on insulting other people. Nothing you have to offer is worth putting up with the people here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Phantom STDstorm
 
7:47 AM
@MarkGarcia The conditional vectorization thing is something that I do manually.
But not often since I prefer to just optimize out conditionals.
 
> Would you all go die of syphilis? [on hold]
4
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, if that's what he thinks of SO/meta, we should invite him here:)
 
@MartinJames Shame about all the unnecessary insults, because I fundamentally have a lot of sympathy for anyone who accuses the SO community of being rude and making too snarky, arrogant and insulting comments
 
lol
That's pretty mean for people who have syphillis
too bad I could not comment :(
 
@Cicada Didn't notice that lol
@Mysticial I wonder what's the actual overhead of /Guard. Seems pretty neat.
 
7:52 AM
@jalf His top tags are JavaScript and jQuery, so it's very unlikely that any of my snarky, arrogant and insulting comments were directed at his questions. Script kiddie with a bad 'tude. Fuck him.
 
With protection though. Don't wanna give him syphillis.
 
@MartinJames Oh, I wasn't talking about your snarky, arrogant or insulting comments (or any other specific person's). Sorry if it came across like that.
I meant the SO "community" as a whole
And yes, no argument about his bad 'tude. He can fuck off
Which is my point. If he'd stuck to just accusing the SO community of being rude, snarky and arrogant, he'd have had a pretty strong case. But with the syphilis stuff and everything else, it's like my sympathy for him kind of diminishes a bit. :p
I mean, there's little doubt that SO has become a lot more hostile to newcomers than it was, say, 4 years ago.
 
I wonder what comments he's received though, since he's not on the C++ tag, he must really be a delicate flower
 
He's being hypocritical.
 
@MarkGarcia yup
@Cicada I don't think the C++ users are notably worse than those in other tags
 
@jalf I'm not sure.
 
@jalf Not that I like it overall, but one good thing in it is that it gets to filter who can stand being corrected to put them within community bounds.
 
So Thunderbird doesn't (graphically) handle long email threads very well
 
@Griwes you must be new here
 
@MarkGarcia please wait. Parsing.....
 
7:59 AM
@thecoshman s/(graphically) //, s/long email threads/emails/
 
@jalf Nah.. I'm 100% guilty of issuing snarky, arrogant or insulting comments, just not on those tags. Usually, they're directed at the deadbeats who write code, get it compile, find it does not wotk and immediately dump their shit on SO without any attempt at debugging. The snark immediately rises to the surface and attacks:)
 
@jalf It's a perfectly valid sentence o.o
 

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