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4:00 PM
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@Fanael ;p
 
Ell
@khajvah it is
 
No, it isn't
 
Ell
What is your favourite C feature?
 
user784668
@Ell restrict
 
Ell
TIL
 
4:02 PM
@Fanael My favorite feature is not important. You better explain why it is crap
 
Ell
@khajvah generics aren't very good
 
@khajvah Lack of everything, but most importantly, lack of RAII and templates
@Ell designated initializers
 
Well yeah type system is not the best
 
Calling it a type system is a vast overstatement
 
user784668
Given struct foo { int x; }; struct foo foo;, is &foo.x == &foo guaranteed?
 
4:04 PM
@Fanael Yes
Also in C++ for PODs.
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Standard-layout you mean?
 
Ell
it doesn't have references
 
@Fanael Whatever it's called these days.
 
It's a portable assembler that tries to be something more but fails miserably and can't reliably be written by humans
@Ell That's like, not important at all
 
@Ell what you mean?
 
user784668
4:05 PM
@CatPlusPlus Good thing I'm a flower! Because I have to write C :/
 
P sure it has const pointers since C99
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus why does c++ have them then?
(if it's literally not important at all)
 
Because it does
So what
 
@Ell operator overlording
 
Very few languages have C++-style references
 
4:06 PM
@milleniumbug Not critical
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus C had pointer CV since ANSI C
 
That C++ does something doesn't mean it's the best thing to do or even a good idea
 
Ell
well I like 'em :P
 
References are neutral at best
@Fanael Even better
 
user784668
Alas, const is horribly broken.
 
user784668
4:07 PM
const int x = 5; const int y = x + 10; is illegal IIRC
 
If something is in both C and C++ then you can assume it's broken :v
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus like ints and doubles
 
C89 is unusable, but C99 is more usable than PHP (not that it's hard to achieve)
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Good thing I can use C11
 
Ell
or functions
 
4:08 PM
@Ell Like unsigned
 
Ell
we should get rid of those because they are broken
 
@Fanael almost same as c99
 
Or implicit conversions
 
user784668
The only way to make compile-time constants of a given type in C is to use macros :/
 
C is for machines
 
user784668
4:10 PM
Seriously
 
They don't need symbolic constants
 
user784668
Can somebody take C and stick it high up PHP devs collective ass?
 
Don't you dare to put C in the same sentence with PHP
 
I'd rather write PHP than C
 
ugh
 
user3010322
4:11 PM
A lot of PHPisms come... directly from C, no?
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I'd rather write than
 
It has better Unicode support these days even
@ThePhD No
PHP's major inspirations were Perl and Java
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus lol as if it's hard to have better Unicode support than no Unicode support
 
user3010322
Hm. I must be thinking of the wrong things, then.
 
Most of the shit in it is because of crappy development in the early days
 
4:12 PM
Internet down on the entire service provider I'm using #lel
 
user1804599
Hello, world!
 
Good job
 
@Fanael C++ manages to have worse support than no :v
 
@Cicada I see
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Then it's possible to ignore the worse than no support altogether and treat it as no support.
 
4:13 PM
But then again you could write PHP
 
@rightfold, language master, what is your opinion on C?
 
user1804599
PHP is nice.
 
It got slightly better at least
That's more than can be said about C and C++
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I'd rather write, I dunno, Python or some shit
 
@Fanael Python is good
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
I'd rather write PHP than Python.
 
You either use C# or you lose
@rightfold Yeah but you're crazy
 
user1804599
PHP lacks significant indentation which is already enough reason to prefer it over Python.
 
user784668
> PHP lacks […] reason
 
@Jefffrey No idea
 
Indentation Failure Is Not An Error
 
4:16 PM
@Cicada Yeah my internet is down too
We're actually all dead
 
You get used to indentation in few minutes
 
user784668
True men don't indent their code.
 
I like python quite a lot
 
user784668
Which is why women are superior to men.
 
@Fanael main.min.cpp
 
user1804599
4:17 PM
Increased compile times!
 
After 5 years I can safely say that indentation is annoying
Well, layout-based syntax
Also extremely tired of dynamic typing
 
Ell
I think it'd be fine as long as only leading tabs are significant
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus You're 5 yo?
 
user3010322
Layout-based syntax is the bane of my existence.
 
@Ell Yes, make it more broken
That'll fix everything
 
4:18 PM
@Mr.kbok Robots don't die.
 
Ell
tabs are great
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are discharged
 
user1804599
@Ell That reminds me. I should disallow tabs in the Mill compiler as a pre-lexing check.
 
Ell
woah
that's not good
 
@Ell No, I don't. You need to work for 7 consecutive years to get it. But for Europeans (master race) it's not really a benefit.
 
user1804599
4:19 PM
No tabs anywhere in the code.
 
Ell
tabs are great for indentation
@Cicada Oh I see
 
indentation is the only thing that differs us from animals!
 
@Ell Which is irrelevant since nobody will use it anyway
 
@Mr.kbok Are you in HK!!
 
Ell
for some reason in my head it is easy to get HK citizenship
 
4:20 PM
It's not too hard. You just have to be born here.
 
user784668
Tabs are the cause of WWII
 
@Cicada >Europeans (master race)
 
user1804599
In fact, no control characters other than LF anywhere in the code.
 
Hitler used tabs to indent people
11
 
obligatory
 
4:20 PM
Smells like WWII in here. Does the good ol' USA have to free the shit out of Europe again?
 
user784668
@Jeremy Yes please drop a bomb on Washington
 
lol merkins
 
I wish Europe was a free country
 
Tabs are superior
 
Your mom is a superset of all things because of tabs
 
4:22 PM
@Cicada No but my heart is
 
@Mr.kbok do you guise by chance need an GPU programmer
 
A artist
 
I miss pprogramming GPUs
@CatPlusPlus Thanks you!
 
BNP does it if you like Go and Rust
 
user784668
Can you two stop butchering English, please?
 
4:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus Is the demo only for windows?
 
@Mr.kbok My two favorite languages! /cc @Luc @Rapptz
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok I only like Go. :(
 
,eh
 
We didn't have time to get controller support on Linux tested
 
4:24 PM
@Fanael What butchering?
 
Because it's a fucking pain
 
Why the f would peeople program GPUs with go/rust
"I need high performance let's do everything in python"
 
Because they're metals
 
Just kidding they do GPU, Go and Rust in separate teams
 
user1804599
> Go/Rust
 
4:25 PM
lol]]
 
Also better Rust than shitplupls
 
user784668
@Cicada CPython rewritten in Python running on top of CPython
 
user784668
@rightfold C/C++
 
On a vm ontop of doccker with xen running GNU/Windows
 
Java/C
 
user1804599
4:26 PM
Mill/Haskell
 
have i menntioned my bios has a key duplication bug
 
@Cicada GNU/javascript
 
Go is weird and has crappy type system
@Cicada Can't you like upgrade it
 
user784668
@Cicada GNU/Windows? I have Emacs installed, does it count as GNU/Windows?
 
Go is google and i hate them
 
4:26 PM
Yes
 
user1804599
Contribute to Mill the best language ever.
 
@Mr.kbok WHy?
 
@CatPlusPlus It's the latest version. The previous one is actually noot bugged (bug was introduced in the current one) but CBA to downgrade, I'll just wait for a fix.
 
user1804599
I'll implement closures tomorrow.
 
user784668
@rightfold Thanks, but I prefer Wide.
 
4:27 PM
@Fanael Emacs counts as everything (and possibly more)
 
Why doesn't Amazon have a "sort by price" option? It's retarded that it hasn't.
 
@Cicada Can't you remove the duplicated characters when you see they happen :v
 
wide/mill
 
user784668
@Cicada Oh, so Emacs is your mom?
 
@CatPlusPlus I remove some of them but it's too frequent so it pisses me off
 
4:27 PM
Your mom counts as two Emacses
 
@Fanael Emomcs
 
@khajvah Their whole business is about pushing ads in your face
 
lol Dell support:
> Hi,

I would suggest you to connect an external USB keyboard to check if the issue reoccurs.
 
user784668
@rightfold What is Mill anyway?
 
I haven't seen any ads from Google in a long time
 
user784668
4:28 PM
Your retarded language straight from hell?
 
user1804599
@Fanael the best language ever.
 
Google has ads?
 
Is your horrible English syntax because of the BIOS too @Cicada
 
Apparently
 
My English syntax is just fine. It has all the desired effects.
 
user1804599
4:29 PM
@Fanael Look how easy printing the nth fibonacci number is!
 
@Mr.kbok Well, there is no free meal. I used to hate google for that but then I read terms and conditions(yeah I know, I am boring)
 
Your Python syntax tho
 
user1804599
io::outln(strconv::itoa(mathseq::fib(n))) :D
 
they clearly state what their business is all about
 
@Ell Maybe for British it is?
 
4:29 PM
Because it's a secret and you really need to read TOS to learn that
 
user784668
@rightfold wtf::bbq(n)
 
@rightfold f() in C++
 
@Cicada Not enough indentation
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well according to the website you have to have lived in the uk for 5 years
 
@khajvah "I used to hate ads but then I read the T&C and now I like them"
2
 
> Man jailed for 'positively evil' rape and murder of Hong Kong pastry chef
what
 
Isn't negatively evil good
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug new FibonacciPrinterFactory().createFibonacciPrinter(new FibonacciCalculatorFactory().createFibonacciCalculator(), n).printFibonacciNumber() in Java.
 
@Mr.kbok No I don't like them, but I have no reason to hate them. It is my choice to use their products. I gotta pay with something.
 
4:31 PM
Deppends if it's on a ppastry chef or not
 
user784668
@rightfold -1 not enough managers
 
I pay with Adblock
 
I pay with my moderate gratitude
 
@Cicada lol
 
I would hate if they hid that they are reading your emails but they are clearly telling you that they are gonna use your every information for ads. Don't use it if you don't like it.
 
4:33 PM
In HK rape is illegal only when evil
 
And not on pastry chefs
Wait wait I got a good one
 
@khajvah Whether I use it or not has no bearing on whether they're pricks :P
 
user784668
Wish me luck
 
So this Hong Kong pastry chef got his insides creamed rite????? laff
 
user784668
I'm going to move my data to LVM2 thin provisioning
 
Ell
4:34 PM
that's nasty
 
that was it
off to bread now
 
user784668
The question is not whether will I lose data, but how much data will I lose.
 
Use btrfs to ensure 100%
Why would you use thin provisioning anyway
 
100% of lost data?
 
user3010322
Guys.
 
user3010322
4:36 PM
I don't want to go to school today.
 
Girls.
 
user3010322
I want to stay home and work on templates and read about compilers.
 
Then do that
 
@ThePhD Don't
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Less crap snapshotting than in the fully provisioned case
 
Ell
4:36 PM
I thought btrfs was "reasonably" stable now
I'm going to use btrfs on my machine anyway
once I wipe linux mint off
 
user784668
@Ell Still part of Linux, therefore will eat your data.
 
ZFS is reasonably stable
Btrfs is still lol
 
Ell
ZFS is stable
proper like, isn't it?
but idk about ZFS-linux
 
Make backups anyway
 
I used btrfs for my root filesystem....notice the past tense
 
user784668
4:37 PM
The last time I used ZFS it was on FreeBSD
 
Ell
yeah
 
user3010322
I can work on my OpenGL support today
 
user784668
It… worked.
 
Ell
official ZFS can't be on linux due to licensing
 
I use btrfs on my server
 
Ell
4:38 PM
it has been stable for a long time IIRC
 
user3010322
Maybe I can have it finished before June.
 
user3010322
I'd like that.
 
Ell
@ThePhD what stuff you doin?
making a game?
or some cad application or what?
 
Ell
I just want diversity
 
4:40 PM
I want a better engine for 2D stuff
 
@Ell it werks
unless it don’t
 
@milleniumbug prepare for your server to fail to boot up one day
 
I don't trust anything that's not ext~
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus After OpenGL stuff, that's what I'm going to be focusing on since the next game I make is going to be flat 2D.
 
user3010322
Just wish OpenGL wasn't so teeth-grinding in its windows initialization sometime...
 
4:41 PM
Is there any reason to NOT use ext?
 
I want a thing that uses C# and has a decent architecture
 
@khajvah naivete
 
Ell
@ThePhD are you using sfml/SDL/glfw/etc.?
 
user3010322
Using OpenGL with C# is kinda a pain, but actually is easy to do in the end with the right interop framework.
 
user784668
@khajvah 16TB+ FS.
 
user3010322
4:41 PM
@Ell Absolutely none of the above.
 
though to be fair I hopped the hype-wagon and used f2fs for my root partition on my desktop ssd
 
Some filesystems are better at having millions of tiny files
 
@Fanael I see
 
Ell
@ThePhD you rolled your own? >.<
 
ZFS has loads of features ext will probably never have
 
user3010322
4:42 PM
@Ell Of course. It wasn't exactly difficult.
 
Ell
why though?
when there is good stuff there
 
user3010322
Mostly so I could learn everything inside and out.
 
Because it's ThePHD
 
Ell
fair enuf
 
user784668
I dunno, I just use XFS
 
user3010322
4:43 PM
@Ell However, SDL and GLFW always ground my gears.
 
Reinvented the wheel is fun
 
I used MurderFS for Portage partitions
 
user3010322
I started with SDL 1.0, and then used SDL 2.0 for a long time.
 
I started with crayons
 
user784668
MurderFS is kill
 
4:43 PM
Hide yo wife I'm installin Linux
 
distro?
 
I want to move back to Arch
 
@Nisk It's a server. It's continuously running.
 
lol if you think you don't have to reboot servers
 
4:44 PM
+
 
updates
 
@khajvah lol Windows
 
@milleniumbug Linux needs reboot too on some updates
 
Sometimes reboot is easier than trying to find all services that use outdated libraries
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Especially when it's libc or some other critical shit
 
4:45 PM
Also kernel updates
 
Ell
you don't have to reboot for kernel updates even
if you're clever
 
Yes I'm going to trust kexec for security updates
 
have fun y'all
 
Ell
ksplice, kgraft, kpatch
 
Just fuckin reboot
 
Ell
4:47 PM
why? :v
 
why not?
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I can't, my r key is broken.
 
You can potentially waste more time trying to kexec than to just reboot
 
Ell
if you're a bad
 
Also servers shouldn't have kexec enabled at all
 
Ell
4:48 PM
you're the one who said kexec
Ksplice is an open-source extension of the Linux kernel that allows security patches to be applied to a running kernel without the need for reboots, avoiding downtimes and improving availability (a technique broadly referred to as dynamic software updating). Ksplice supports only the patches that do not make significant semantic changes to kernel's data structures. Ksplice has been implemented for Linux on the IA-32 and x86-64 architectures. It was developed by Ksplice, Inc. until 21 July 2011, when Oracle acquired Ksplice and started offering support for Oracle Linux. Support for Red Hat Enterprise...
wikipedia says security patches so it must be right
 
Ugh same thing
Stable release 0.9.9.1 / July 28, 2011; 3 years ago
lol
 
user3010322
That was when they were bought out.
 
Also Oracle Linux so it's not in the mainline probably
 
user784668
I once tried kexec
 
4:50 PM
Seriously just fucking reboot
 
user784668
Then I saw Windows booting
 
Ell
how about kpatch then
is April 12, 2015 up to date enough for you?
 
user784668
Windows is not normal, but on kexec it is
 
29 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Seriously just fucking reboot
 
That takes care of all running services and the kernel
 
user784668
4:51 PM
3 mins ago, by Fanael
@CatPlusPlus I can't, my r key is broken.
 
If you can't spin up the server fast then you already lost anyway
Server uptime is meaningless
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus But my bragging rights!
 
1999 called
 
@CatPlusPlus but... but.. 4chan uptime threads
 
I HAVE UPTIME OF 2092 DAYS
 
Ell
4:52 PM
You guys are just pussies
 
PROVE ME WRONG
 
user784668
I have uptime of 5 hours!
 
post the screenshot
 
@Ell You're the one afraid of rebooting because your filesystem might shit itself :vv
 
Ell
I'm not afraid of rebooting
I can reb00ntu whenever I want
 
user784668
4:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus Is he using ext4?
 
Ell
btrfs is gr8
probably
we'll see when I use it
 
@khajvah Yes that's wonderful proof
 
Ell
built in raid m9
 
user784668
@Ell gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
 
Ell
17:52:33 up 7 days, 22:48, 0 users, load average: 0.41, 0.42, 0.42
that ist mein upteim
 
4:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus This is internet, screenshots are trustworthy
 
user784668
uptime: command not found
 
lol
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Do you really think somebody woould just lie on the internets?
 
> get-uptime

Uptime                                                                                       LastBootUpTime
------                                                                                       --------------
9.21:23:05.2015692                                                                           2015-04-27 21:31:09
 
user784668
ok fuck the typos I'm not fixing temh anyreome
 
4:55 PM
@Fanael please, do
 
smuggo
Anyway
I need to finally finish Spark
 
user784668
@khajvah wyh
 
"Ugh, this page has Java applets. Oh well, I'll enable them for a few seconds." Firefox crashes
 
lol Java applets
aplet naplet
 
user784668
4:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes F
 
I thought those were history already
 
I wanted to buy some stupid game 1 minute before sale ends, but Steam decided that this day is perfect day to invalidate saved payment info
rip
 

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