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1:00 PM
@thecoshman ah, so where in Ireland are you?
 
I searched the image for morgue trucks, but found out that they are not different from ordinary trucks on the outside. So I could have sit next to a morgue truck & would not have known! Scary ...
 
@BartekBanachewicz 2l/100km is not 150mpg.
 
he's in the Lounge's satellite office in Ireland
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I guess it just depends on passengers
 
1:01 PM
@chmod711telkitty Morgue trucks don't like to advertise their presence.
 
Ell
maybe a motorcycle is more environmentally friendly for 1 person
 
@MartinJames they could have a siren that basically just plays a funeral dirge over loudspeaker
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I said "less than 2" and "around" and 1.9l/100km is 148.674177mpg
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmm.. I was thinking life-insurance adverts on the side panels.
 
@MartinJames ouch
 
1:02 PM
@Ell I see a lot of cars with just a driver here
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fair enough.
 
@MartinJames no kidding, I have never seen a truck labelled 'xxx morgue truck on the outside'
 
"Morgue trucks" should advertise beer and fags
Really get the market going
 
You're still a condescending prick for thinking l/100km is superior to mpg.
 
Ell
lol
 
user784668
1:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fuck fags
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes neither miles nor gallons are SI. km/l could be ok.
 
inb4 fag flag
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh, at least l/100km is SI (+- prefixes)
 
today is justifiably star central
 
Ell
1:03 PM
km/l would be preferred I think
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You think I don't expect that?
 
l/km is better when you compare the cost of doing a particular trip
 
ahahahahah
best morgue truck ever
 
1:05 PM
km/l is better when you compare range
 
kitty I love you
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Ell
cars are safer than motorbikes also
 
I suppose range is more important in say the US because it tells you how often you have to stop to refuel, whilst in EU you move shorter distances
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I suspect that the overall plan is to minimize the market for morgue trucks. Improving the road to Donnington raceway would help in that respect. It would also cut down on the damage to trees from motorcycle impacts.
 
Ell
1:05 PM
you can't get convertible motorbikes (I don't think)
 
user784668
@Ell static_cast<car>(motorbike)
 
@Ell oh but of course. Nobody said motorbikes are absolutely superior to cars
 
Ell
Right :)
 
But seriously, do country like UK or Australia have morgue trucks?
 
that being said, especially in the cities, more motorbikes would help things a lot
 
Ell
1:06 PM
cars are just mostly superior to motorbikes ;)
 
user784668
Cars are better because they have more wheels.
 
Ell
But I understand, motorbiking is a hobby
 
@Ell it's also way more efficient way of transportation in the city
 
Ell
Yeah
 
basically the fastest you can find typically
 
Ell
1:07 PM
you could get one of those city cars
 
they still take a lot of space
namely, one lane.
 
Ell
in fact we probably shouldn't be using volume for fuel at all
 
Ell
we'll be switching to electric, or some other fuel at some point I expect
maybe it should be m/J
 
Electric is not fuel.
 
@chmod711telkitty Something has to transport the remains to the morgue. If there is no potential for organ harvesting, no point in using fully-equipped ambulance vehicle.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@Ell Why? Because it's SI?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit real C1 is nice too
 
It's a rather useless unit.
 
Ell
1:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes because you don't fill an electric car with litres of anything
unless you count washer fluid
 
Being SI is not a considerable advantage if you make it meaningless.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes because it's energy?
 
@Ell why not %
 
Ell
the thing that is important when determining the efficiency of a car
 
yeah, so why not %
 
Ell
1:09 PM
I don't understand, % of what?
 
user784668
Efficiency.
 
Ell
oh
yeah that could work too I guess
 
MegaJoules then?
 
Ell
yeah % is probably best
 
@Ell Yes, which makes it rather meaningless.
@BartekBanachewicz Because it doesn't provide as much useful information directly.
 
1:11 PM
Not sure how many megajoules are stored in a litre of diesel or petrol, (AKA 'gas').
 
Battery charges are measured in Ah.
 
Ell
actually maybe I'd prefer m/MJ
then price petrol in £MJ^-1
 
user784668
Just use watt hours like Linux does for remaining battery energy.
 
@Ell Still the wrong quantities.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes why?
 
1:12 PM
Is that 3.6 megajoules?
 
Ell
if you market cars as m/MJ
and then sell petrol at £ per MJ
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Battery charges are measured in Ah.
 
Ell
then people can know how much energy is required to travel a certain distance
 
The energy delivered depends on other factors.
 
Ell
hmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes what would the perfect unit be in your opinion?
 
1:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol can't help thinking of this (NSFW)
 
@Ell ..but that would be vehicle-specific. The fu... energy pump would have to interrogate the vehicle.
 
user784668
@MartinJames 1 kWh is 3.6 MJ
 
@Ell For electrics? Distance/charge.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes for all
and charge?
 
@Ell Pointless.
 
Ell
1:14 PM
Charge is surely not the correct unit
 
@Ell For electrics? What else?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait what do you mean by charge?
as in coulombs?
 
not sure if it makes sense to make one unit for both ICEs and electrics
 
Ell
or number of charges?
 
1:14 PM
@Ell "one battery" I guess
 
@Ell 1 Ah = 3600 coulombs.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Internal compiler errors are themselves a unit.
 
VS is an ICE engine basically
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@BartekBanachewicz Well, the energy suplied is either easily measured directly, (electric), or easily estimated from delivered volume, (liquid fuels).
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes but batteries don't store charge, right?
 
1:16 PM
@Ell Er.
What do they store?
 
Ell
energy
 
@Ell Well, there is a lot of charge in there..
 
Electric potential energy, or electrostatic potential energy, is a potential energy (measured in joules) that results from conservative Coulomb forces and is associated with the configuration of a particular set of point charges within a defined system. An object may have electric potential energy by virtue of two key elements: its own electric charge and its relative position to other electrically charged objects. The term "electric potential energy" is used to describe the potential energy in systems with time-variant electric fields, while the term "electrostatic potential energy" is used to...
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes right
which isn't charge
 
But the energy stored is the wrong thing there.
 
1:18 PM
The chemical energy causes a slight imbalance in the charges on the battery plates.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gif
 
The energy required to charge it depends on other factors, and the energy provided from it also depends on other factors.
 
Ell
right
and the energy provided by said charge depends on the voltage
etc. etc.
 
@Ell No.
 
Ell
until you get to distance :P
@MartinJames why not?
 
1:19 PM
There's a reason battery capacities are always given in Ah.
 
Ell
when 1 coulomb across 1 volt, there is less energy than 1 coulomb across 2 volts, right?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably
I'm just going to agree with you of history of being correct
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I a word
 
@MartinJames It depends on the power and the discharge interval. Power is voltage*current.
 
Ell
@MartinJames is an electric man arent' you? as well as sfotware
boy I can't type
 
1:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it's hell to explain:)
 
1C = 1A * 1s
so I suppose you're right
 
If you have a 50Ah battery in your car, you want to know how far you can go with 50 Ah.
Therefore km/Ah or something. Or Ah/km if you want to know how much it takes for a given distance.
 
current times voltage is power. Charge times voltage is work.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz not quite
Oh wait current
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only if the power factor is zero.
 
Ell
1:23 PM
Which it prolly isn't on an inductive load like a motor
(Is that right?)
 
@Ell It's even more complicated by the electronic controllers used.
 
user1804599
E = m
 
Thing is, mpg vs km/l provide essentially the same information so it is a bit of an arbitrary choice that you make almost exclusively based on prejudice consistency. km/Ah vs km/J don't quite tell you the same.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The energy pumps would have to interrogate the vehicle to arrive at such units.
 
Anyone living in Voitsberg by any chance?
 
1:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh, prejudice? seriously.
 
@Jefffrey me. But I never discovered where it is
 
I know that if I slosh in 20L of diesel, it lasts for three weeks. Good enough for me:)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Tis a tongue-in-cheek remark. Hence the strikeout.
 
@MarcoA. Wait what?
 
@Jefffrey lol
 
1:29 PM
You live in it but you don't know where is it?
 
@MartinJames weeks/20l seems like a more useful unit for you :P
 
@MartinJames don't drive much, huh?
 
Ell
his car prolly does 65 to the gallon
 
@chmod711telkitty Tesco. Club. That's about it..
 
20L of diesel lasts me a week
 
user784668
1:30 PM
@MartinJames lol diesel
 
user784668
Satan would be proud
 
@Fanael I've relabelled my speedo in mpg:)
 
@Fanael what now
 
@Ell About that, yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think it's well-known here that I think people overvalue SI units.
 
1:31 PM
"only petrol cars are kosher" sounds as dumb as PC master race
 
user784668
Diesel is haram
 
4wd mostly run on diesel
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'A 500cl of beer please' just does not sound right..
 
Ell
diesel engines provide more torque usually
and 4wd are used to tow stuff a lot
which needs torque
 
user784668
1:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Because I'm joking, you retard?
 
Ell
oh wait he was talking to you.
My car does 20 something to the gallon
it's awful
great car though besides that
 
what do you have?
 
It's getting hard to find a petrol car in mainland Europe. Even in UK, where the price of diesel is stupidly skewed upwards, most have diesel cars.
 
user784668
@Ell Mine does 56.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Honda civic 02
 
1:35 PM
most cars here run on petrol
 
most cars here run on roads
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
my current AWD is the first one I have that runs on diesel
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yup
 
1:36 PM
my friend has one of those
so ugly :D
but a lot of space inside
 
Ell
haha, I like it personally
 
@chmod711telkitty I find that odd. With 1000km between fuel stations, I would expect the opposite:)
 
Ell
and yeah very roomy
 
sedan4life tho
less passenger space but during the move it's been so great
 
@MartinJames "most petrols here run on cars"?
 
1:37 PM
I am usually careful when I go on bushwalking/hiking trips, because not all petrol stations here carry diesel
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
cars are either sport or van basically
 
Why do you need diesel to go hiking
 
Some of you guys live in Boring, Oregon, right?
 
Are your legs powered by internal combustion
inb4 actually yes
 
1:37 PM
Yes
 
Xeo
Wtf. Something broke, I synch back to the last time that I know this thing worked, do the exact same thing I did that last time, and it's still broken.
whyyy
 
cos external factors doofus
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Could not resist:)
 
> Sister cities: Dull, Scotland
 
user784668
1:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit @R.MartinhoFernandes's legs aren't
 
@Jeremy AHAHAHAHAH
 
the hell is openforum europe
 
> Dull and Boring celebrations are held annually on 9 August in Oregon[30] with a piper and a barbershop quartet;[31] the Dull celebrations are in October.[32]
oh, boooooo
 
@Jeremy Been through there in my old Ascona, (reg B957 ORE:)
 
> [...] was added to the mix to create not a "twinned town" relationship but a "League of Extraordinary Communities" grouping Dull, Boring and Bland
 
1:39 PM
> Dull and Boring celebrations are held annually on 9 August in Oregon. Nothing of any significance happens.
 
Dull, boring uncelebration
 
Now I kinda want to put those three on my round the globe route.
 
I bet the Dull and Boring people are quite fun
 
Bastard car registration office gave me 'B957 ORE', (it was an import). Aparrently, all those reg. that were annoying or embarrassing got given to the local registration offices specifically for imported cars:(
 
Someone needs to design cars/planes that run on cow farts, it should be awesome for the environment :x
 
1:42 PM
@MartinJames What's embarrassing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'B957 ORE', (BORE).
 
you know there are numbers in between, yes? :p
 
I ahd to drive around for three years with that plate:(
 
user784668
Why can't modern PSUs provide only the 12V rail and let the mobo worry about converting that to 3.3V and 5V?
 
why should they?
 
1:44 PM
Maybe I should go for rego BRA36D ... is it already taken?
 
user784668
…I think I know why
 
@jalf Yes but, amazingly, the other employees and contractors did not seem to see the fucking numbers, the bastards:(
 
@chmod711telkitty Compensating for something?
 
for me not having a rego like that?
 
@MartinJames Did they point it out because you were boring, or because you obviously weren't?
I feel that both are likely
 
user784668
1:45 PM
Because most people use shit PSUs and these behave horribly when only the 12V rail has load.
 
@Jeremy They pointed it out because they were all bastards:)
 
@Fanael do you work in IT
 
@MartinJames Oh, I see. They didn't have fathers to teach them respect. :)
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Why do you ask?
 
@Jeremy They were all grown in glassware.
 
1:46 PM
@Fanael I don't think anyone other than IT cares about people's shitty hardware vOv
 
user1804599
> MOTD is short for Message of the day, though you do not need to change it every day.
 
user1804599
imagine you had to change it every day
 
user1804599
for a Minecraft server
 
@rightfold I thought there was a script to change it at midnight?
 
user784668
@rightfold I'd increment a counter.
 
user784668
1:49 PM
> Since 2011, Fujitsu and other Tier 1 manufacturers[10] have been manufacturing systems containing motherboard variants which require only a 12 V supply from a custom made PSU (typically rated at 250–300 W). DC-DC conversion, providing 5 V and 3.3 V, is done on the motherboard
 
Ooooh, 'nother Great Answer badge.
 
user784668
So this exists.
 
Ell
@Cicada do you have HK citizenship? (or is that not a thing?) do you just have right to abode?
 
he's an illegal immigrant
 
@Fanael Because SRP or something?
 
1:52 PM
do {} ever give me the ability to initialise const members in a base class?
 
I wanted to use UE4 for my next game but then I found this seemingly neat waypoint system plugin on the unity store for cheap and got that :\
 
cos that'd be nice
I just split my type into an inheritance heirarchy and now I realised I probably need to duplicate every single fucking member in constructors
 
@sehe Hey I don’t remember where you stand on Haskell but I’m done leafing through The Haskell School of Music — From Signals to Symphonies which was moderately fun. I picked it because I wanted to play naively with tones in Haskell but as it turns out it’s intended as introductory material to the language, which it’s not so bad at.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would it?
 
@milleniumbug to please me
I am trying to avoid code bloat with ctors
it would be nice if there were syntax to just initialise everything (including bases) member-wise and leave it at that
 
1:54 PM
Apr 22 at 19:34, by rightfold
Such as penises violating the single responsibility principle.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
fucking fuck
 
It doesn't sound like a good idea to me
 
that's upsetting
incoming code bloat
 
Or maybe I haven't fully understood the scenario
 
user1804599
1:55 PM
@Jeremy Don't let @TonyTheLion see that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit class ClassImpl { /* members, no constructors */ }; class Class : public ClassImpl { Class() : ClassImpl() { } }; ?
 
sorry not {} literally; {} with stuff inside it
 
Oh, I see
 
I was gonna say universal initialiser but that's probably the wrong term and I am thinking of C++03 too
 
> An aggregate is an array or a class (Clause 9) with no user-provided constructors (12.1), no private or protected non-static data members (Clause 11), no base classes (Clause 10), and no virtual functions (10.3).
 
1:56 PM
I sort of know the answer is no but I want options
 
@rightfold why?
 
workarounds, whatever
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pre-C++1z!
 
...don't have const fields?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes So glad they removed the second restriction
no wait
 
1:57 PM
pulled right from under our feet—rude!
 
Xeo
I read that as the one with NSDMIs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So sad they removed the second restriction
 
I paid 500 rep for that quote.
 
@milleniumbug lol
 
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A: What are Aggregates and PODs and how/why are they special?

Shafik YaghmourWhat has changed for C++14 We can refer to the Draft C++14 standard for reference. Aggregates This is covered in section 8.5.1 Aggregates which gives us the following definition: An aggregate is an array or a class (Clause 9) with no user-provided constructors (12.1), no private or prot...

 
1:58 PM
how can it be the second if it’s removed? :Þ
 
Xeo
In any case, glad they removed the NSDMI restriction
there
 
Hmm, I think I'm getting PCH nonsense, but I removed the build folder.
 
@rightfold Tony is ded
 
Xeo
21 mins ago, by Xeo
Wtf. Something broke, I synch back to the last time that I know this thing worked, do the exact same thing I did that last time, and it's still broken.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Honestly I'd just define those annoying constructors
 
Xeo
1:59 PM
funny problems for everyone!
 

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