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Ell
6:05 PM
maybe I should get an Acer C720 chromebook
 
user1804599
@Puppy no.
 
user1804599
All I need is allah.
 
@Columbo ^^
 
@Puppy Puppy.
Nobody thinks you're cool.
Stop misbehaving.
 
Ell
> Second SD card slot for dedicated system memory
what
 
6:13 PM
 
Feb 13 '14 at 17:01, by BartoszKP
http://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/bad-small-cat/ bad Cat Plus Plus!
 
I'm bored.
But happy.
 
Where are you?
 
@Columbo are you on freenode?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I am, yes.
 
6:16 PM
@Columbo nick?
 
user1804599
"nick"
 
@rightfold thanks!
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I pinged you.
 
Dresden. Will visit the city and then take the train tomorrow.
 
user1804599
R.I.P. Robot.
 
6:19 PM
Jealous
I'm reading Qt stuff
I hate when things don't make sense to me
 
Ell
what doesn't make sense in Qt?
 
hierarchical models, but I got it finally
I still think they're described in a very misleading way but nevermind
hopefully I won't forget
 
user1804599
You're a qt yourself.
 
I also hate that pre-compiler thing
emit, signals:, dafuq is that
give me C++
 
user1804599
6:24 PM
Don't make GUIs.
 
I want to learn how to make them
for C++ I only know MFC and that's even more disgusting
 
Ell
I still wonder what is the best approach to guis
 
> 90% natural ingredients*
* including water
 
AFAIK there isn't much more
 
user1804599
@Ell avoidance.
 
6:25 PM
@AndyProwl must it be c++?
 
Ell
ie laying out widgets with code or data
 
user1804599
I only made GUIs with HTML and with Cocoa.
 
@JohanLarsson for the pet project I'm currently thinking of, it would be convenient
otherwise I'd use C#
 
ok I can show you some wpf if you are interested
 
I don't know that technology, I'm a dumb C++er
it takes time for me to learn new stuff
if you just show it to me, I likely won't understand
 
6:27 PM
Outside in the grass reading GEB.
 
I need books and tutorials etc
 
i liked wpf more than any other ui tech ive used
 
WPF is fun.
 
user1804599
what is WPF
 
6:27 PM
UIs are not fun
 
wpf is awesome ideas but the implementation is not always awesome.
 
Kinda crappy still, but the intent is great
 
databinding OP
 
Reading the wpf source has made med sad more than once
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you use it much?
 
Not since I started doing C++
I worked in a C# project when I was in Portugal
 
6:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes GEB? Google is giving me egyption god as result
 
@rightfold Windows UI platform.
 
Well, two.
One WinForms and one WPF
 
ugh, Winforms
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson How many GUI libraries does Microsoft have for Windows?
 
dunno
 
6:31 PM
One of them was "fixing" what my predecessor left (aka gradually butchering and rewriting everything). Both were one-man projects and I decided to use WPF for the second
@Borgleader Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.
 
how many did you expect to know about that book?
 
Everyone?
Actually, it's cold outside. Back in.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes after reading what we write?
 
Never heard of it, but looks interesting. Doesn't sound like light reading though.
Probably couldnt read it on the train when I'm half asleep
 
My copy looks like a Bible.
 
user1804599
6:35 PM
What does a bible look like other than a thick book that says "bible" on it?
 
often monotone cover
 
ok, enough code for now, time to play some games
 
The kind people swear on in court.
 
rarely paperback
 
big, with a dark hard cover?
 
6:36 PM
Yeah.
 
@Columbo You make it sound like I care ^^
 
I saw an interesting study where people were less likely to cheat after swearing on a Bible, with no statistically significant difference between atheists, Christians, or believers of other religions.
 
:23474189 Will do eventually ^^
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's interesting
 
That smiley makes everything nice
 
6:38 PM
much like you ^^
 
@Puppy Nah mate I'm immortal ^^
 
And IIRC there was a decrease in likelihood of cheating if the swearing was done on a Bible or just with simple words.
It involved only westerners, though, so there's probably a cultural bias.
 
Ell
okay how do I haggle
 
@Ell That's not really that interesting. It would be interesting if there was some difference between the Bible and anything else.
 
Ell
this person is selling a laptop for £100
I wonder if I can get it for £40
 
6:40 PM
I can try to find it tomorrow
 
user1804599
@Ell Buy it and sell it for £500.
 
user1804599
To some noob.
 
@Ell Not likely.
 
Ell
maybe I should start at £40 and got to £60
 
@Ell select the Haggle dialog option?
Haven't RPGs taught you anything?
 
6:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you need at least 15 charisma for that though
 
user1804599
I did not write any code all day.
 
user1804599
help!
 
is there an opengl wrapper which picks the right opengl version based on compiler options and which will just make not supported features nops if compiled with an older version?
 
OpenGL support depends on drivers not compilers
 
user1804599
lol no-ops
 
Ell
6:43 PM
I have 0 charisma
 
@mash Why would you want an the OpenGL version to be picked depending on the compiler?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes so say if the driver only support 1.x it would compile for 1.x
 
Driver support depends on the target machine, not the one compiling
 
@Nooble I never said anything about depending on the compiler
 
It's something you can only know at runtime
 
6:44 PM
@mash Huh. Why not just pick the version on runtime?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ha, see? 18 degrees is cold :D
 
@mash youre not listening
 
@mash Silent failure is a dumb feature only desired by dumb people and implemented by equally dumb people.
 
@Borgleader my ears are open now
 
It can change between two runs of the same executable
@Andy it's windy
 
6:45 PM
oh
 
user1804599
why are all COBOL videos on YouTube by Indians
 
I'd be freezing
 
@mash You're supposed to ask for a context at runtime, so pick the version then.
 
user1804599
I should learn Ada or Fortran.
 
@Nooble but I could compile for each opengl version and then give out different executables.. no?
 
6:46 PM
@Nooble If he's dumb enough to want silent failure I doubt logic will work
 
@Puppy Heh.
@mash Yes, but why would you want to do that?
 
@Puppy Thanks for telling me
 
2 mins ago, by Puppy
@mash Silent failure is a dumb feature only desired by dumb people and implemented by equally dumb people.
silent failure is the "Let's implement it in C" of interfaces
 
@Nooble Because I need to support really old versions of opengl but I don't want to target them mainly. Because it needs to work on really old machines.
 
@mash Okay, do that at runtime.
 
6:49 PM
@Nooble ok
 
You need to write your code with that in mind.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how much of GEB have you read?
 
@Nooble back to the question is there a wrapper which picks at runtime then?
 
@mash I don't think so.
 
yes
 
6:49 PM
@Andy about half.
 
it's called "your application"
 
It's not that hard to pick OpenGL versions.
You literally create a context, and if creation fails, you fallback to a lower version.
 
I need to give that book a second try
 
Thanks for focusing so much on the hidden details of the question instead of just saying no in the beginning.
 
I'm right before the Crab Canon
 
6:51 PM
past the ant colony thing? I don't quite remember how far that is
 
@Andy wanna do a one-chapter-a-week thingy? I'd love to discuss it with folks here. (Or in a separate room if need be)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds good
this way I'll have more motivation
 
Anyone else interested?
 
what book again?
 
IIRC @MarcoA. showed interest
 
6:53 PM
GEB
 
@mash It's because you clearly had a misunderstanding of how picking an OpenGL version works. If we said "no", you would've still had that misinformation in your head. You're welcome.
 
I should probably not discuss things in engrish. I can only express trivial things.
 
Well, avoiding doesn't help, does it? :p
 
oh look

Gödel, Escher & Bach

Jan 15 '11 at 21:49, 1 second total – 2 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 15 '11 at 21:51 by Konrad Rudolph

there was a room
 
Ell
Lounge book club
 
6:57 PM
Evening
 
Good evennning.
 
Ok, so this is my first day with an Android
 
2 messages.
Great successs
 
oh wait
 
@Jefffrey Congrats :)
 
6:58 PM
it's not a room
it's a conversation
 
@Jefffrey hi
 
I feel like I've sold my soul to Google, with all that agreeing and shit they made me do.
 
@Jefffrey basically
 
@Jefffrey Yeah.
There's CyanogenMod for that.
 
is the book free?
 
6:59 PM
They probably have the right to ask me to kill myself and I'll have to comply.
 
@JohanLarsson no.
 
@Jefffrey Well, you did agree to it.
So I don't see why not.
 
Ell
@Nooble microsoft own them now iirc
I use cyanogenmod
my soul still belongs to google though
 
@Nooble Nice
 
Microsoft owns cyanogenmod?
 
7:02 PM
@Jefffrey Settings > About device > Build number. Click Build number 7 times. Go to developer options. Click "Show layout boundaries".
 
Is the unconference in June or July?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes June
 
We've all sold our souls to the Lounge anyway.
Dec 7 '14 at 16:46, by Cat Plus Plus
By being in this room you agree to the Rules and giving us exclusive and irrevocable license for your soul.
 
I don't have a problem with that
 
Those pictures of the R9-390X are nice.
It looks so tiny.
 
7:04 PM
@DonLarynx lol
 
@Ell aren't you building a Mini-ITX machine?
 
Ell
@Nooble well, moving my desktop into an itx case & mobo
I want a laptop for walking around the house in
I mean with :L
 
@Ell Ahh.
 
@Andy made a room.
 
Well the R9-390X WCE looks like it's 6 inches long.
 
7:05 PM
> In physiological systems, chloride is ionically bound to the protic end of H2O in solution.
that is SO WRONFG
it gives me typodisease and capsdisease
 
@DonLarynx Indeed, it is very wrongf.
 
/rant
 
@Ell Walking around your house with a laptop?
 
d14
Hello everyone,

Base Class has - virtual string getName() = 0;
Child Class implements like

string childClass:getName()
{
return name;
}

Is it normal/best practice for pure virtual function to also serve the purpose of a getter ?
 
Ell
@Nooble well, more like being able to move it round so I can be in social situations with it
 
7:06 PM
@d14 dont do that
bad dog
 
@Ell Ahh.
 
remove it and put it in a pastebin
 
Hastebin is better.
 
@DonLarynx Hey thanks
 
Or coliru if you'd like.
 
7:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes nuh. too easy
 
@Jefffrey hi np
 
We'll do a book club style reading of GEB, one chapter a week. See this room if you're interested.
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Can I get a pin?
@sehe what's too easy?
 
You can get a star :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're an owner, pin it yourself ;p
 
7:08 PM
Switch to desktop layout.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the challenge to post the question starting with that text. It would be closed if the text was actually correct (and there was nothing more to the question)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Favorited. Looking forward!
 
Thanks, whoever pinned it.
Oh wait, that was me. Bunch of lazy fuckers.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd gladly pin it if you give me my italics back
3
 
yeah give them back
and to sehe
 
7:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stop using mobile. :)
It's bad for you.
 
@JohanLarsson he cleared his own formatting IIRC
 
yeah, make him do it again
 
@Mysticial I'm traveling.
 
@Mysticial s/using/being/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stop traveling. It's bad for you. :)
 
7:13 PM
Nah, it's great.
 
I would like a blue name @shog9.
You promised.
May 13 at 0:58, by Shog9
sure
 
I'm super happy. Also, I just heard that Miss B went looking for me at the regularly scheduled social gathering yesterday and when she learned I wasn't around she said "eh, I'll just go home, then" :D
 
d14
Here is a sample of the code http://pastebin.com/Yb1nSVZ5 .

Is it normal/best practice to use pure virtual methods as getter methods in child class implementation ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O
 
Ell
Who is watching Eurovision?
 
7:15 PM
@d14 Here's a sample of people randomly jumping into other conversations and begging for their assistance repeatedly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You stood her up :)
 
@Ell You mean, a bunch of idiots competing to see who can be the biggest moron on television?
certainly not me.
 
d14
@Puppy here's a sample of someone who didnt read previous message
 
@Ell I'm watching it. Closely. To make sure it doesn't sneakily enter my living room
 
@d14 I did.
 
7:16 PM
@d14 The magic 8 ball says... Don't ask again later.
 
Ell
@Puppy you're just jealous because you're musically inept
 
d14
@Puppy Oh, my bad.
 
@sehe there was never anything scheduled between the two of us. It's just something we both attend frequently.
 
@Ell I'm perfectly capable of finding music I enjoy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perhaps the smiley wasn't strong enough :)
 
7:18 PM
in fact I listen to music I like practically all the time
 
What's funnier is that her home is just above where that event takes place.
 
@Ell That's the weirdest line of argument related to the songfestival
 
She just came down the stairs, asked for me, and went back up :D
 
Ell
Maybe next time you should meet upstairs ;)
 
> ... and went: "Back up"!
 
7:22 PM
@d14 1 second.
 
Ell
To be fair it is awful
Eurovision I mean
 
@d14 if all it does is return the name, it shouldn't be used as pure virtual.
 
d14
@DonLarynx Thanks.
 
I am sehe mutated.
 
lol
Why not?
 
7:25 PM
sehebi.
 
@d14 why do you accept such wisdom without comment?
 
good question, R
 
obot
 
Ell
A terrible mutation
 
As posed it sounds completely arbitrary.
 
7:26 PM
@Ell hey i'd never said itd be pretty
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is; it's irrelevant
but since it's irrelevant, i prefer it's not pure virtual
;)
 
d14
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didnt want to ask further questions without doing a bit of research. Then, I'll come back and ask.
 
@d14 ask questions, just ping me
 
d14
@DonLarynx Okay, thanks.
 
@Ell Why are you watching that? Are you physically restrained? Have your eyes been pinned open? Is there a gun at your head? Have family members been kidnapped? Are you being blackmailed?
 
It's the Ludovico technique
 
7:30 PM
My professor lists a def'n of a positional container as follows: https://gist.github.com/jjc12/043bbb8e3bbc924f2c3e

I am extremely bothered by this. He mentioned personally that by insert it means that at position 0 + x, you can change the element. however, what about remove? do you set the element to null? it is such an awful definition of a pContainer.
 
Man.
I feel like I have wasted today.
 
how?
 
Sleeping long, playing Factorio, eating, going out to get McD, watching YouTube videos...
 
What did you do today?
Sounds like fun
 
I should have done something....dunno.
 
7:31 PM
its saturday so who cares.
jk, if you really feel that way do some work. it's not too late.
 
@wilx Could be worse - look at @Ell
 
You should've gone out and cycled to the middle of nowhere
Just saying :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :) I am not the type.
 
Ell
@MartinJames I gave up just now
 
@wilx You should be dynamically typed.
 
7:33 PM
<fat joke> (I don't actually remember if you're fat)
 
@MartinJames :D
 
@wilx <fat joke> (I don't actually remember if you're fat)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Next to you, everyone is:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It has only been few days since you saw me. I am sort of not slim. :D
 
lol 'sort of not slim'
 
7:34 PM
I typically don't register people's outward appearances
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You gut them first?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol. What do you register? Auras?
 
I mean, I can recognise them, but don't ask me to describe them.
 
@wilx Oreos
 
(Sometimes it's embarrassing)
I know that Andy is bald and you have a mustache. I think you're taller than me.
 
7:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In the Lounge, I suspect nobody cares:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just think? :) lol
 
Oh shit... I just thought.. the Eurocrap will be on in the club:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's not bald, he has a starfish on his head
 
:D
 
@Borgleader For some reason, that reminds me of 'Red Dwarf'.
 
7:39 PM
It's not that I don't care (well, sometimes I don't); I'm just absent-minded.
Also, I don't think I know what counts as 'fat' unless it's blatantly obvious, aka what my friends refer to as 'American-sized'.
Like Martin said, everyone's fat next to me. (Yes, I know, starving kids in Africa)
 
Ell
Lol american sized
 
The opposite of fun-sized.
 
user1804599
I wrote a Fortran program.
 
user1804599
Fascinating.
 
American::size() returns std::numeric_limits<long long>::max()
 
7:51 PM
@rightfold Man, what language have you not sampled, yet?
 
user1804599
Matlab.
 
user1804599
PL/SQL.
 
user1804599
ActionScript.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you are pretty skinny
 
Ven
@wilx dozens
 
7:55 PM
I'm handsome skinny, you mean.
 
@Mr E: The great thing about Stack Overflow is that increasingly Google searches on programming related issues link to here. If such questions were not answered here, that would never happen and SO would never have reached critical mass. So "google it" is never a satisfactory answer. — Clifford May 7 '11 at 14:27
 
i guess?
related :P
 
user1804599
Agda, Idris, Coq, Elm, Roy, Modula.
 
@Borgleader They call me awesome
 
I dunno. I'm stronger, more enduring, more tolerant to the elements, and hell, even more alcohol-tolerant than many people I know. Dunno how being skinny factors into that.
 
Ven
7:58 PM
Roy is dead, @rightfold. get real
 
user1804599
Good.
 
@sehe But with sarcasm dripping from the word, right?
 
Ven
puffnfresh moved to purescript
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm none of those things, which I suspect is partly due to the fact that I can never seem to sleep properly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good liver.
 
user1804599
7:59 PM
COBOL and Fortran are fun. I should try Ada some more as well.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same here. And I can mix names after knowing people for years.
 
Ven
You should write some more simula
 
It's so bad I have to very consciously rehearse names in the "grace period" when people will still forgive you for mixing names up/forgetting them alltogether. Because if I don't, I'll never know any names and be forever too embarassed to ask.
It's awkward. Very awkward
 
@rightfold I like Ada 2005+.
 
Ven
@wilx I think @rightfold hasn't tried ANY smalltalk-ish language
 

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