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8:00 PM
You could have put that money elsewhere.
Like, on more pizzas.
 
you can't buy pizzas with steam wallet money
 
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Or call it where, like what. :D
 
@FredOverflow Yeah, we had a vague impression that it should work like this in the current GCC version. Do you have some doc link confirming this. AFAIR it wasn't orthogonal in earlier versions.
 
@CatPlusPlus or lunch
 
It'll be -75% within a year
Why bother now
 
8:01 PM
I want to get another good CS GO drop
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm guessing you misclicked, anyway it's over here: gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.4.4/gcc/… still true for GCC 4.9 and 4.0 etc etc.
 
Witcher is Polish national pride, didn't you hear?
Every Pole has to buy it.
 
@Rapptz Oops, yes. I didn't want to bother Fred
 
I've played like 20 minutes of 1 and 2 combined
 
8:02 PM
lol I forgot Cat is from Poland
so he's basically like, Bartek's dad or sth
 
I remember stumbling my way through the tutorial in Witcher 2. Seriously, who the fuck thought that binding commonly used actions to the upper number keys?
 
@FredOverflow The standard defines stack unwinding, so defining stack_trace as being related to what happens during stack unwinding would hardly be a stretch.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz So the semantics of lua_next and the lua stack are just too crazy to make proper iterators out of. :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel I skipped the tutorial
 
user1804599
so MGS5 release is September
 
8:03 PM
I'm in act 2 and I learned how to play the game by now
 
user3010322
I have iterators that would work for trivial algorithms but for everything else it'll just kind of fail miserably and crash
 
@ThePhD I told you iterators were a bad idea ~1 year ago.
I haven't changed my opinion.
 
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@Rapptz Yea, wellll, I have to try!
 
So I finished the tutorial, thinking all the way that the innovations in game design and control mapping must have avoided Poland for fear of communism.
 
@AlexM. Bartek's kitty.
 
8:04 PM
And then there's a cutscene and boom, tits.
So I guess it wasn't a myth.
 
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@Rapptz I mean, on the bright side I got it to work!
 
Triss is overrated :(
 
This game really goes all out.
 
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I've never seen an uglier character in a game
 
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8:04 PM
Like, it totes works.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yep
 
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But it's pretty constrained to just being used for for (auto a : table)
 
basically wherever you go there's a brothel
 
@LucDanton Oh... that "make_it" hop is such a thorn in my eyes (always, it's just a recurring thing when using m_f_i_i). I usually do coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/c9ab617f4468cbf1 or similar
 
and you have to have business there
 
8:05 PM
(dunno why thing needed to be a function in your sample, so it was probably a different context).
 
well not really but ultimately at least one quest will get you there
 
user3010322
I can allow for copy semantics by internally using std::shared_ptr and using ref counting, that way it'll actually Just Work™ for all of the algorithms, even if it doesn't have exactly the right semantics.
 
@ThePhD Not to mention you should define an operator<<(std::ostream &, std::pair<key, value> const &); so your loop becomes: for (auto const &x : mytable) std::cout << x << \n";
 
@ThePhD what's this, arbitrary k/v pair?
 
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8:06 PM
@melak47 sol::key and sol::object
 
@sehe Heh, out of habit I put in {} first as I do for e.g. istream_iterator<Foo>. Obviously that doesn’t work here, but I didn’t make the last logical leap.
 
user3010322
sol::key is just a sol::object that can implicitly degenerate into a string or a integer.
 
so the 3.14 is a string? boo :p
 
user3010322
No, it's a regular double
 
user3010322
Indices don't exist in lua's tables. It's just a double.
 
8:08 PM
@LucDanton Yeah, I love e.g. std::copy(input_iterator(), {}, ...). Bit confuzzled why there is no boost::m_f_i_i that takes a const ref function ...
 
@ThePhD STL has been using your code I see... his meow has crept in
 
They've both been doing it for years.
 
@melak47 only way to represent it accurately, anyways (inb4 314 is has exact rep)
 
@sehe I actually haven’t double checked the docs, but where do you expect the (stateful) functor to live?
Because there isn’t such an overload I was assuming that it’s all by-ref.
 
user3010322
I'll have to give it more thought... how to iterate, that is.
 
8:10 PM
@LucDanton only the non-end one should be relevant (the "end" iterator shall not be derefenced, and the only state required to know whether an iterator is "end" is the counter, which is not shared)
 
@sehe If it is a function, you can put preconditions on the generic code and define it’s behaviour. If it’s not, can you?
 
@sehe Good point. And the reading end has pseudo-move semantics. Wow!
 
lol I googled "how do capybaras sound"
given how huge they are I expected some barking but no
they sound like this
 
@LucDanton Yes. But there are specializations in case it's a function pointer vs. function reference, so why not have an option to aggregate a functor too. I think that woulb be a lot more useful
 
8:11 PM
How come the counter is shared?
@sehe Those are stateless.
 
@LucDanton --Is it? Or did I state the inverse of my intention? Nah I did not--
 
oo, you can disregard
 
@Rapptz What replaces iterators?
 
@LucDanton yeah. My point is, it would be nice to have stateful function_input_iterator by aggregating the functor, IMO
 
@wilx Nothing.
No iteration.
Lua doesn't fit in the C++ iterator scheme very well.
 
8:14 PM
@Rapptz It’s input!
 
Yeah the worst iterators.
Except not really input.
It doesn't even meet that.
*it has to return a proxy type like std::vector<bool>.
 
I don’t recall any issue. Except as to where to put the state, but that’s normal.
 
rodents are interesting
especially beavers
you know like that category of animals that greatly define how the environment around them looks
 
@AlexM. inb4 litb
 
this animal goes full crazy and builds things
 
8:16 PM
@AlexM. They're really not. You'd think they would be, but when you get inside that big lodge of theirs, you find out they really spend lots of time watching reality TV.
 
like we do
 
@sehe { Functor&, Count } is leaner than { optional<Functor>, Count }, no? I don’t really care either way, but iterators are kinda assumed to be readily copyable.
 
Man, real life sucks.
 
Oh right and you can't copy them reliably due to that sharing state.
 
I hope there is no Neo trying to save me.
 
8:17 PM
@JerryCoffin I was going to reply but "like we do" also fits your message
 
@LucDanton Yeah on the copying, you're right. I suppose a bit of lambdas won't hurt. I don't particularly like this pattern though.
 
oh hell I replied anyway
 
It's not rational. Or at least I don't care to self psychologize long enough to find a rational argument
 
@AlexM. I certainly don't spend my time watching reality TV!
 
user1804599
ok so pcre for JS
 
8:18 PM
@JerryCoffin and I'm sure there must be at least one beaver that watches documentaries about humans instead of reality TV
 
user1804599
Emscripten may help.
 
@sehe Yeah, preventing passing downwards is also a red flag to me.
 
@AlexM. Maybe--but I wouldn't bet much on it.
 
user1804599
awesome
 
8:21 PM
Awesome! Make the browser download 2.29MiB of JS because you wanted to be lazy with the validation regexen
 
@Rapptz Oh, I was thinking of lua_next.
 
@LucDanton In fact, { optional<Functor&>, Count } a.k.a. { Functor*, Count } would do...
Still stuck with lvalue functor in surrounding scope of course
 
That’s what the first one is supposed to be.
Yeah you’re right the make_ thing makes no sense.
 
> "how do you Do It?" puts players in the role of an 11-year-old girl whose mother has just stepped out for an errand. The girl immediately grabs her dolls and furtively attempts to figure out how sex works using these plastic surrogates.
this exists
on Steam
I don't even
> This game needs Steam Achievements, so I know for sure if I'm doing it right or not.
 
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I like to believe that I am happy.
 
8:30 PM
> Oh I see, you need another doll, that´s what I was doing wrong.
ahahah
 
@AlexM. relax and game on
 
> I married a Mexican National and my son looks a little like me but he married a Mexican national too so My granddaughter has brown skin and when we go to the store or anywhere I get strange looks. Once when my son was 9 years old this guy pulled a knife on me calling me pedophile and chased us into a store, I had to call the police. I know exactly what you're going through.
ouch; casual racism and sexism go quite bad. And that's just a comment to the main story
 
@AlexM. What's the issue?
 
good evening people
and sehe
 
@orlp how original :)
 
8:32 PM
@sehe very
 
I'd say about 6.03
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm afraid it will take the GOTY title from The Witcher 3
 
user1804599
This is so awesome. :)
 
user1804599
union Token { // tagged union
    common(sourceRange: SourceRange); // common to all variants
    Identifier(name: String);
    Use;
    Proc;
}
 
@AlexM. Probably not, The Witcher 3 has too much marketing behind it.
 
8:38 PM
s/too much marketing behind it/tits/
well, better looking tits
 
user1804599
tits are great
 
great tits are
 
@райтфолд Depends.
 
@sehe Yoda now grown white fur has.
 
@JerryCoffin it wasn't yoda speak :(
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
That's a syntax error.
 
@sehe Why the frowny? You have to have realized by now that I specialize in mis-reading things in ways I find humorous.
 
user1804599
annotation ::= '#' <expr> ';', but define union struct isn't an expression.
 
@райтфолд Oh you're dabling in questionable languages again
@JerryCoffin so you do
Wow. I saw vector<bool> being used in the wild for the first time now (boost/format/format_class.hpp)
 
> I feel that the author, as well as most of America, needs to learn to choose to not be offended over everything.
Fucking hell, that old "grow a thicker skin" bullshit.
 
Yeah.
 
8:45 PM
I hate the victim blaming stance of so many people. especially on the Internet.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I find the second commentor is right on the mark, in 2 sentences:
> I am not really sticking up for this man who approached you but...if you have ever been in a position where you wished you had questioned something (or at least tried to) involving a child it is understandable.

It sounds as if your daughter's innocence was ruined that day.
Both understanding how people cannot let this go, as well as how this is not something about "choosing to take offense" in some kind of spoiled way
 
@sehe I have to agree. I didn't read through even close to all the comments, but this was (by far) the most insightful of those I read.
 
I do feel the issue of preserving innocence with my own daughter. I have on two occasions now actively paid attention to two scenes where I suspected girls were being harassed/made uncomfortable. But I felt torn about how to explain this to my young daughter
 
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 Merge branch *** of *** into ***
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my commit messages lately
 
8:49 PM
@райтфолд Shove it! Please
 
Xeo
@райтфолд You suck at this
 
user1804599
The command was just gmp more, which is equivalent to git add -A . && git commit -m more && git push. :)
 
user1804599
Arrow-up, return reflex makes it even more convenient!
 
Xeo
58 secs ago, by Xeo
@райтфолд You suck at this
 
so bad
 
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8:52 PM
shift+super+down, arrow up, return, shift+super+up :)
 
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i3 is great!
 
@райтфолд Sounds like an easy, convenient way to do (the wrong) things.
 
@sehe I just explained in terms of schoolyard bullying. I said "look, I can't tell whether they're playing around, but it's possible that the girl doesn't like it one bit, but is forced to play along because she's outnumbered/can't leave.
And just in case a thing like this is going on, I'm making doubly sure I'm visible and approachable, hanging around for a bit longer than absolutely required and noting the faces of the boys. The boys will feel the monitoring and perhaps check their behaviour at the same time
 
:'( I am seeing the most nonsensical bug right now
 
I just replied to my own message because /humongous disruptive multiline by rightfold
 
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I felt that was a natural way to teach my own kids about what is ok and what not to accept
 
@xeo woah... are all the mindcrackers going to hermit craft or something?
 
But yeah, situations like that are hard to judge at a glance and it's even harder to explain to kids without ruining their innocence
 
@sehe On one hand, I agree that this (at least potentially) does more to preserve the innocence of the girl involved. At the same time, it does essentially nothing to prevent the boys from doing the same thing again when nobody's there to prevent it (though, admittedly, there's not necessarily a way to achieve the latter in any case).
 
Both Etho and Doc have a series starting there
 
8:55 PM
holy shit I wrote a generic method in C#
for the first time in my life
 
user1804599
Generics in C# are terrible.
 
public void AddAction<TAction>() where TAction : TurnAction
{
	var newAction = gameObject.AddComponent<TAction>();
	_actions.Enqueue(newAction);
}
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. I settled for the part where at least I set a signal to my own kid. She might one day be in a similar situation and not know how to feel/act about it. Perhaps she'll find some confidence in what I told her back then
 
to enqueue whatever actions each party member wants to do per turn
 
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@AlexM. lol tabs
 
8:57 PM
@AlexM. Time to graduate to Java. (Also, isn't C# the simples? I love that)
 
@sehe Yup--a lot of times that's probably about all you really can do.
 
Depressing really. The only consolation is that I know I operate on the same kind of implicit lessons myself
 
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@AlexM. In Scala that would look like this:
 
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def addAction[TAction <: TurnAction : TypeTag]() = {
    val newAction = gameObject.addComponent[TAction]()
    _actions enqueue newAction
}
 
user1804599
Fucking awesome!
 
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8:59 PM
For the first time in my life I translated C# code into Scala code!
 
A real achievement
 
Well, I find that hard to believe. How would you have missed that one combination of languages, when clearly you've exhaustively explored the whole universe of PL
 
user1804599
You cannot have generic functions in PL/pgSQL.
 
user1804599
You have to resort to dynamic typing.
 
user1804599
Or use PL/Perl. :)
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
Oh wait, that doesn't support Perl 6 yet.
 
@sehe I think most of us do. Personally, I'm bothered by the lack of innocence in society as a whole. By the time I was 10 years old, it was taken for granted that I could hop on my bike, ride a mile (or so) to a park, play for hours, and come home around lunch time. Nowadays, some people think I'm neglecting my children because I let them got to a park that's 200 meters away without hovering over them (even when it's two of them, both over 10 years old).
2
 
Yeah. I check up regularly when my two are out the back of the house. But they're <10
 
user1804599
Oh you meant "programming languages," not "procedural language."
 
@sehe Oh, I check up on them fairly regularly, but it's close enough that I can just usually just look out the window and see what's going on. Quite a few parents (at least around here) clearly feel they need to make sure the kids know somebody's watching them. Certainly wouldn't want them to develop any independence!
 
I feel I should not have to check. But somehow feel remiss if I don't. I listen carefully to the stories I hear though - making very sure to qualify any strange encounters with a "parental annotation" if necessary (happened ~2x, involving not accepting possibly stolen candy from "stranger kids" and other involving youths secretly doing weed, most likely)
 
user1804599
9:05 PM
Well, PL/Java has generics. And can probably be used with Scala.
 
user1804599
Imaging starting a JVM for every invocation of a PL/Java function.
 
@sehe When my youngest are playing behind the house, I prefer to be there with them--but they're still young enough that they really like my playing with them.
 
@JerryCoffin Mine don't know it, to that extent. We have the rule reversed: they have to ensure that they'll be in earshot range. We have had similar rules since they were little: in public/crowded places, they have to watch us to see where we are headed and not get out of sight (too long). (Of course, we do watch them, but at least it doesn't degenerate into a "chase the kids" show)
 
user1804599
Slowest queries ever.
 
@JerryCoffin Mine are betwixt & between now. Besides, they really prefer role play which I'm not very good at mostly. I like to play the "concrete games", like football e.g. but they might be too young (?) or just ... they have eachother, and being < 1.5years apart they're a a good set
 
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9:09 PM
You should tell your kids that corruption is proportional to power and that all ads and packagings are misleading, so they won't be too gullible.
 
So, I'm not really joining their play there :S
 
@sehe I don't usually have to work very hard at it--my youngest is happy to decide that today I'm Thomas the Tank Engine and tell me what I need to do. :-)
 
Erm. You still need to play along :) Unless Thomas the TE literally just sits there steaming :)
 
@JerryCoffin Soon enough it won't be Thomas the Tank Engine, it'll be Unreal the Game Engine
</badpuns>
 
@райтфолд I do this. My daughter picked up on this very fast. So she's usually pointing out false/hidden advertising to me.
And my son is very adept at the financial parts of things (so he points out where sponsorship comes in). He's not so very sensitive at the language deciphering bits though so he's a lot slower in detecting the process happening
 
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9:13 PM
@sehe nice
 
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I discovered this but a few years ago.
 
user1804599
Nobody ever told me.
 
Yeah I love this. I have this tendency to specifically not buy stuff that's expressly marketed
 
@Borgleader Maybe--far too young to predict whether he'll turn out as nerdy as his dad or not.
 
@райтфолд :( I was told. But in a different context. Every sunday after sermon (yay), we would dissect the sermon at home. My mother would invariably be the sharpest critic of the message. (I never quite worked out what kept her going to church when I was young).
This was very good for independent thinking
 
9:15 PM
@райтфолд Given your age, that's not surprising. It's hard to recognize the lies on packages until you can read. :-)
 
user3010322
OH MAN
 
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IN CLASS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POINTERS
 
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ShitGotReal.png
 
Yes, I'm an evil person!
 
@ThePhD EVERYONE KNOWS THE RETRIEVERS ARE WHAT SAVES YOU THE MILEAGE
 
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9:16 PM
@sehe biologische groenten topkek
 
@райтфолд I actually buy them. But not from the shelves that are not expressly "branded" BIO PLUS GREEN DURABLE EXTRA RESPONSIBLE AND FAIR NO CHILD EXPLOITATION ALL DUTCH. I might still be buying some rubbish, but I'm not convinced that the "bio-slager" actually sells what he preaches
I was so clever. This is the version number for one of my first real programs, an IRC bot. http://t.co/ZXXBst4OHn
What
 
user3010322
"An array variable is a pointer"
 
user3010322
HE DID IT.
 
user3010322
HEEE DIIID IIIIT.
 
user1804599
Did my first PR to the Perl 6 project!
 
9:23 PM
@ThePhD Raise your hand
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel If I do, I'll have to get into an argument with him.
 
user3010322
I can't risk my grade on the ego he might have.
 
user3010322
This is the same professor that says Vi is the only thing we're allowed to use and that if you didn't do good on the first exam you should drop the course entirely and don't waste your time with CS.
 
Vi? Not even Vim?
I mean, there's being stuck in the past, and there's being a fucking fossil on legs.
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel I, like an idiot, asked if Vim was okay. The answer was no.
 
user1804599
9:29 PM
lol Vi
 
@EtiennedeMartel But Ed is the standard editor. I hate being older than a fossil.
 
user1804599
My PR got accepted! Woo!
 
@ThePhD I used nano in college
fuck the police
if the prof dared to show some reaction to that
I'd have definitely started to echo my code in files
 
Oh god. There's so much hard to believe/stomach stuff in there. What is happening in some places (I HOPE) in the US
> As it turns out, in 1998 Bel-Ridge police had received permission from the DOT to install switch at the light that allowed an officer to manually convert it to red.
Only one amusing little detail that
 
user1804599
@sehe this is what happens in the US: powned.tv/fastsearch?query=juf&zoek=zoek
 
9:39 PM
@райтфолд lol those comments
"nice", "why punish?"
if the teacher was a man...
 
user784668
@MartinJames congratulations, you beat Everton. But they're literally Villa again, so that's no achievement
 
@Fanael Yeah, and Derby keep losing 2-0 :) I'm off to the club now to wind-up the Sheepshaggers:)
 
@sehe Reminds me of that thing I read about the "ghetto tax".
You know, how life is more expensive if you're very poor than if you're just a little bit poor.
 
I'm only starting to get the picture here
 
9:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Oh that story. That makes sense to me on a direct level. We experienced this when I was young. To some degree (we had many good friends and good government regulations too, so you won't hear me complaining). But in general, yes, if you can afford to avoid costs... this will help doubly
 
> In 2007, Pine Lawn passed a “saggy pants” ordinance, imposing a $100 fine on the parents of children caught wearing droopy drawers.
 
@Mgetz Hm. That sucks.
 
> good thing it was not me! I would have beat the shiz out of him before police got there.
lol
 
today I was asked "can you make this joypad work?"... that really makes you feel bad : (
 
user1804599
9:50 PM
Why's it not called HoloCast? It casts images. :v
 
user3010322
@sehe Hot damn.
 
user1804599
@Mgetz He Only Lived Once
 
@Mgetz Ouch. I have a few friends who work on that project. :(
 
user1804599
> You are now a member of Perl 6!
 
user1804599
woo!
 
9:58 PM
@райтфолд did you join a cult?
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Would you be okay with an iterator that was a forward iterator that didn't break upon copy/assignment but wouldn't be able to "save" the current state?
 
what the hell
"Mattel And Google Relaunch View-Master As A Virtual Reality Headset"
 
everyone is doing VR headsets
 
@AlexM. do you know what the View Master is?
 
user3010322
Also uh.
 
user3010322
9:59 PM
Does anyone know if shared_ptr does locking and stuff
 
user3010322
If accessed from multiple threads?
 
locking of what
 

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