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1:00 AM
god what is up with these easily triggered people today
 
Lightness can't find sleep I guess
 
Is it mine?
 
flagging everything involving gays, jews, cunts, penises, videos of murder on mothers, etc
 
I got flagged?
 
1:01 AM
/cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
what is you guys' favourite software license outside of GPL?
 
Well, that's the last time I join lounge at work
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Oh.
@orlp I mean if they're going to flag that, you'd think they would flag my post too.
 
@Jeremy Why risk being productive?
 
Don't work now, that would be a waste of time.
 
1:02 AM
dat reference
 
i wasn't bothered
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I drank too much coffee, got 14 hours of work done in 6
 
:)
 
@Nooble 350 days or so more exactly
 
now i don't want to do anything
I'm too lazy to go to my car
 
1:07 AM
@Jeremy You will like Haskell then
 
Hey everyone.
 
can you imagine haskell becoming a religion
and bartek being the pope
I can
 
I would adhere
Bartek's Church of Haskell - The Way to Purity
 
I doubt "The Way of Purity" would be his motto /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
1:10 AM
Perfect! The Lounge Game Marmalade will start (my timezone) at 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM.
Now I just have to take care of the coding part.
Shudders
 
Eh, just when I'm in Japan
Oh the times suck for my TZ anyway
 
cool, in my timezone it will start at oh wait I won't participate o'clock
 
Why aren't you participating :P
 
PM
 
Does anyone have a good idea where I could go and ask the question "what exactly does it mean to be able to code c++ in a unix environment"? I see it on job postings often. I'm assuming that it can't be as easy as running code in a linux terminal.
5
 
1:12 AM
lol
 
@AlexM. Oh.
@TriHard8 You can ask me, the holy koala.
 
@AlexM. What does PM mean?
 
Prime Minister
 
I'm assuming night time?
 
post meridiem
 
1:13 AM
post mortem
 
@Nooble Haha, what kind of response are you going to give me?
 
@AlexM. So why are you not participating again?
 
@TriHard8 A holy one.
 
@Jefffrey Prime Minister
 
shutup cicada
 
1:14 AM
@Nooble Let's hear it.
 
@Jefffrey because I already have something started and I don't want to start something else
and I also don't enjoy deadlines
 
Why do people star that question?
 
For shame probably
 
Just wanted to confirm.
 
@TriHard8 It means you're able to... Code in a unix environment.
 
1:15 AM
you need to be a nerd, basically
 
Yeah, or a koala.
The hardware, the software, and the holy koala. The trinity.
 
I recommend programming on windows and playing games like The Witcher in your pauses
 
I have a chemical engineering degree, i've got that (nerd) down.
 
then you'll be like us cool kids
 
@TriHard8 It means to know the tools of the job in a unix environment. See IDE or package manager or terminal applications, folder structure, etc...
 
1:16 AM
@TriHard8 Out of curiosity, what OS are you programming on?
 
inb4 OS X
 
inb4 windows
 
um that's unix
osx is unix
 
windows 8, but i just created an ubuntu laptop to learn the "unix" environment.
 
inb4 TempleOS
 
1:17 AM
@SeanPedersen you don't say m8
 
Also engineers are the worst programmers
 
@TriHard8 how do you create a laptop lol
do you like spawn them
 
/spawn laptop ~ ~ ~
 
He probably meant VM
 
can you summon laptops from the astral planes
 
1:18 AM
@TriHard8 Just get g++ and vim or sublime text and you'll be on your way!
 
yeah, i use my chemical engineering degree to injection mold a case, keyboard and create my own cpus, motherboards, etc. Then I install ubuntu.
 
You forgot the GPU, now you don't have video output.
 
ubuntu is a bad choice btw
2
 
:C
 
you want to learn unix on gentoo
 
1:19 AM
i use the nano text editor, then the g++ compiler. is it that simple?
 
I use Xubuntu.
It works nicely.
Or at least I think it does.
 
is the point to learn to use the terminal?
 
archlinux is also great for beginners
 
@TriHard8 Yes. Everyone can be an programer.
 
but it doesn't beat gentoo
 
1:19 AM
+1 for xubuntu
 
which is the best
 
Go back to /g/ you troll
 
SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING:

What is the command to show the content of tablespace.
10
 
@TriHard8 I wouldn't suggest nano
 
in Oracle database
 
1:20 AM
lol
 
I should have been a programmer. I was writing code at 14 in basic and pascal.
 
lol
 
please bin that shit
 
@TriHard8 Now you need to start a project and spend years upon years infuriated at why "it won't fucking compile" or why "is it segfaulting" only then to abandon it in the end.
 
we interrupt this program to ask you a dumb question
 
1:20 AM
It's star worthy
 
SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING:

I suggest we all do that now
 
How about no
 
SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING:



I'm really sorry.
 
i'm sorry your sorry
 
1:21 AM
NOT REALLY SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING: HOW THE HELL DO I NEW LINE
 
@SeanPedersen you're
 
@Borgleader yes
 
2 messages moved to bin
Happy to oblige.
 
SORRY FOR INT 21H
oh I'm late
 
i'm sorry you are sorry about being sorry
 
1:22 AM
oh well
 
Thanks.
 
SORRY
 
Aaaaaand ban.
 
is duskcracker still not banned
I'm amazed
 
1:24 AM
@TriHard8 Why did you take a course on Chemical Engineering only to do programming?
 
Chem Eng students rarely find a job in their field and hence end up programming
 
I'm not that bad once you look through the edgy not-funny humor.
 
When I was in college I switched into chemical engineering for some reason.
 
@TriHard8 One advice I can give to people who want to be programmers: if you're thinking "where/how do I start?" you're doing it wrong.
 
Chem Eng usually go into chemistry or end up in managment positions.
 
1:25 AM
@AlexM. Maybe I'm amazed at the way I really need you.
 
i'm not thinking that, haha.
 
Programming shouldn't be an end goal, it should be a tool.
 
@Jefffrey whoa there
I'm not rightfold
 
i was just wondering what's the best way to get the unix aspect under my belt.
 
Use Unix for 6 months straight, no other OS.
 
1:26 AM
Just use linux instead of windows
 
@TriHard8 And that again is doing it wrong.
 
or you know
 
You'll have fun trust me.
 
don't get a linux job
 
Unix is a tool, not an end goal.
 
1:26 AM
or better yet
get it
 
and linux is the toolbox
 
you always find a way to learn something
when you have to
 
It's so much easier to code on Unix-based stuff.
 
@AlexM. Ok.
 
People in my study always ask me how I know most stuff without ever learning.
 
1:27 AM
@Nooble yeah it totally doesn't depend what you're coding
 
It's because I already learned it when I encountered it on the way to something I was doing.
If you just do interesting things you'll pick it up in no time.
If you just churn through your days staring at stupid books you can spend weeks without learning anything.
 
@AlexM. I mean, at least in what I do. Coding in OpenGL is so much easier with g++ and sublime text rather than using VS IMO.
It's just so much simpler.
 
you haven't mentioned anything unix-only there
you can use ST with gcc on Windows too
 
IS ANYONE USING VIM??
 
ST?
 
1:29 AM
I am not using gcc with windows.
 
SublimeText
 
It's not good.
 
@redCodeAlert What the heck do you want to know?
 
@Nooble so you're forcing yourself to make linux look better
ok
 
@Nooble I've used it almost exclusively and have no problems.
@Nooble what makes you think gcc on windows is bad?
 
1:30 AM
I believe you cannot statically link the runtime.
 
Then you believe wrong.
 
You can statically link MSVSCRT?
 
you can generate a standalone binary that'll work on any windows since XP
it links dynamically to msvcrt.dll, but that's included since XP
 
What if I want to target 98? WHAT NOW
 
@Jefffrey you code in COBOL, not C++
 
1:31 AM
lol
 
@Jefffrey That means you made a bad career choice.
 
Thanks for the tips everyone.
 
@AlexM. Not only that, MESA libraries (software rasterizer) are so much easier to work with than OpenGL32.lib
 
Later
 
@orlp What if you use later features?
Of MSVSCRT?
 
1:33 AM
@Nooble what later features?
 
@Nooble from what I see mesa exists on windows too
> Mesa is primarily developed and used on Linux systems. But there's also support for Windows, other flavors of Unix and other systems such as Haiku. We're actively developing and maintaining several hardware and software drivers.
 
Wow, several, even
 
@orlp Sorry, I meant the later libraries. Like for example msvcr120.dll.
 
also wtf if you're a real unix geek you don't give these things as examples
 
@Nooble please do explain how you "use" that
 
1:35 AM
you tell stories of bash scripts and awk scripts and shit that take you hours to write
to achieve some weird stuff that windows does in one click
/troll
off to sleep now
 
@AlexM. Mesa does exist in windows, but it's way too slow and does not support later OpenGL features like DSA or anything 3.3+
 
before I go though
> Source 2 (which we've actually known about for quite a while) will be "available for free to content developers," according to Valve's Jay Stelly. "This combined with recent announcements by Epic and Unity will help continue the PCs dominance as the premiere content authoring platform." pcgamer.com/…
poor Crytek
 
@AlexM. GDC is the new christmas
 
@orlp Windows library. The windows header file, how would you use the latest functions.
 
@Nooble windows functions are not in msvcrt.
msvcrt is the C runtime
 
1:41 AM
Ohright
Hmm...
 
for example kernel32.dll
 
Is there support for c++11?
 
yes, built into the mingw runtime, which gets statically linked
 
I stand corrected then, development using mingw sounds decent enough.
 
@Nooble ...in windows.h? lel
 
1:45 AM
wtf
 
@melak47 Not what I meant.
 
std::make_pair("introsort", std::sort<std::vector<int>::iterator, std::less<int>>)
 
?
 
/usr/include/c++/v1/utility:488:1: note: candidate template ignored: couldn't infer template argument '_T2'
why can't it infer the type of the function pointer of std::sort?
 
user3010322
Shrug.
 
1:47 AM
@orlp I dunno. try &std::sort? :S
 
@ThePhD when will your engine be free for content developers? :P
 
@melak47 nope
 
@Borgleader look at that, UE crushing the little people ._.
 
Source 3 engine will never come out.
 
1:49 AM
(in this picture, Woody is Crytek, acording to @AlexM.)
 
honestly
this must've been discussed behind doors
there is no way on earth what's happening is reactions of the engine developers on unreal
you don't just decide to open your engine up for free after 2 days your competitor does
 
they conspired to kill crytek
 
@Borgleader I nnneeeddd to know more information. Is it anyway backward compatible to Source 1? How much change was there?
 
@Nican email Gaben
 
Actually, Valve headquarters is just downtown from me. I should go ask him personally.
 
1:52 AM
get me an autograph while you,re there? kthx
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Absolutely never? It's more of a Game Framework than an Engine at this point: I don't have the high-level systems to claim it's an Engine.
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae Would splitting tests up between files help Catch compile things faster / better?
 
@ThePhD I don't think so. It's just easier to navigate through, I guess.
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae Ah. Well, I'll still split 'em up, once I figure out how...
 
I (personally) like having things split up over many files
 
user3010322
1:57 AM
I do too, but that is actually biting me in the ass right now after I moved all of my type_traits like stuff to a new namespace tmp.
 
user3010322
Now I have a bunch of includes scattered around that all need to be changed.
 
tmp might not be the best name you can give it.
 
user3010322
In the end everything in the tmp namespace is now includable by a single header file type_traits.
 
user3010322
@Nooble Yeah, so I was told. I think I'm going to go with mtp (meta template programming), tp (template programming), or just meta.
 
@ThePhD grep / sed
 
user3010322
1:59 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae I'd have to run it for like 25 different file name includes, though. :c
 
This is why source code as text sucks
 
@ParkYoung-Bae And what would you rather it be?
 
Some kind of binary AST
When you open it with your editor it would generate the textual representation on-the-fly
No more tabs-vs-space fights or syntax arguments
And refactoring made easy
 
Exactly what I needed, another TV media box! polygon.com/2015/3/3/8145263/…
 
Hell yeah!
It's not like we've had enough or anything.
You know what would be great? If Google, Amazon, and Sony all make media boxes too!
Oh wait...
 
2:05 AM
And if the TV was a media box itself as well!
 
Yeah! We can call it a Smart TV!
 
Wait, unity is free now?
 
@Jefffrey Yes. Unity 5 is now free, with some constraints.
 
Wasn't it always?
But like $1500 for commercial?
 
@Nooble Not the "Pro" actually useful edition.
 
2:09 AM
Ahh.
 
user3010322
Couldn't use basic fucking OpenGl from Unity.
 
user3010322
What a goddamn travesty that was.
 
user3010322
"Oh, I could just call some basic functions to render these li-" "FORK OVER DA MONEY."
 
user3010322
Fuck Unity, forever.
 
They don't allow... What do they call it... Low-level access?
 
user3010322
2:10 AM
Fuck anything that hands me a turing complete language with the features to get the job done and then chops my legs off and tells me to walk.
2
 
@Nooble No. They make a lot of abstractions for OpenGL/WebGL/DirectX/Apple's Metal, so developers have no access to the lower level fun stuff.
 
That's sad.
 
UE4 is the way to go then.
@Jefffrey With all those check marks, you know it's good!
 
@Nooble ..Or maybe Source 2? TBD!
 
2:13 AM
Gaben needs to release something with 3 in it.
Well, what do you know.
He's got 2 children.
 
Fascinating.
 
He was born 1962
And is 52 years old.
 
1 / 2 life confirmed
 
Let me guess.
 
2:17 AM
Computer generated
 
Yep.
Realtime?
 
@Nooble not really
rendered in realtime, but lighting is precomputed
 
@Nooble Dunno, it's on the UE4 website
 
Do you need a supercomputer to run that?
 
Probably
 
2:19 AM
Those models though.
Must've hired an artist or something.
 
this is something that annoys me so much
there's always so much technobabble going on how that game uses that engine and this uses that engine
what if I told you that texturing is fucking crucial?
 
It really is.
 
Oh???????????????????
TIL art in a game is important
 
@Nooble Nah
 
nah
hey
E-R?
 
@Borgleader Might be the fact that the lighting is pre-baked then.
 
@Nooble I can run this on my PC (GTX 670
 
@ScottW one to many and shit like that?
I was going to bed :)
3:27AM here, gotta wake up at 7AM
later
 
@Borgleader The texturing on that is beautiful.
 
dunno
 
2:29 AM
@Nooble I like this scene better though. Might be because I'm a scifi geek.
ill just leave this here
 
@Borgleader :C
I'm sure inside there a monster is waiting to eat you.
 
can i advertise myself?
 
Nice.
 
ty
 
posted on March 04, 2015 by Eric Niebler

This is the forth and final post in a series about proxy iterators, the limitations of the existing STL iterator concept hierarchy, and what could be done about it. The first three posts describe the problems of proxy iterators, the Continue reading →

 
2:38 AM
Eric Nieblest
> This is the forth and final post
Typo on the forth word, nice.
 
Nooblest
 
@ParkYoung-Bae is your typo intentional?
 
How do you add something to do the feed bot thing
 
@Pris you need to be a room owner
 
@Borgleader Which typo, my Borgleadest?
 
2:40 AM
Nieblest
 
Who are the room owners? I want this to be added: eli.thegreenplace.net/tag/c-c
 
@ParkYoung-Bae nvm, Park Young-Best
@Pris the ones who's names are in italics
 
It's not a typo, it's a superlative
 
@Blob Are you going to participate in the marmalade?
 
user3010322
2:44 AM
namespace Furrovine { namespace tmp {
	template <typename T>
	struct identity {
		typedef T type;
	};
}}

namespace Furrovine {
	template <typename T>
	using identity = tmp::identity<T>;
}
 
user3010322
That's the correct way to elevate a type into another namespace, right?
 
@ThePhD why not just using tmp::identity;?
 
user3010322
@orlp Oh, right! That's what I was forgetting.
 
What the hell kind of namespace is Furrovine
 
user3010322
2:50 AM
The kind that makes you not want to type it ever.
 
user3010322
I'm a bit miffed.
 
user3010322
I feel like things like unqualified and friends should go one level up, inside of Furrovine rather than Furrovine.tmp
 
user3010322
Yet other things I don't want to elevate there....
 
user3010322
Blerghle.
 
2:54 AM
Roar.
 
user3010322
@orlp You've lost me entirely.
 
user3010322
Folding which pack? A variadic pack?
 
woops
apparently that message was for luc dalton
nvm
 

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