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user3010322
6:00 PM
I need optional right goddamn now. .-.
 
user3010322
Fuck it, I'll just use placement new.
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@ThePhD nah
 
traverseM(f) is equivalent to traverse(f).map(_.join)
@thecoshman nah what
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't need optional
 
user1804599
 
6:02 PM
@thecoshman and as an alternative you propose?
 
user1804599
Very nice.
 
@BartekBanachewicz look, do you actually think I was up for an actual smart discussion?
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@thecoshman people here tend to be fond of saying random shit without purpose lately
lately
 
Isn't myclass variable_name = some_instance supposed to implicitly be myclass variable_name(some_instance) ?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, well cake is tasty
 
6:08 PM
@caps initialization is a bit fucked up, but typically it is, yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "typically"?
 
@caps fuck C++
 
I ask because I just had a compile-time ambiguity about which constructor should be called go away when I changed the line to be an assignment.
 
it's not an assignment
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly.
It should be the same thing. I should still be getting the same error.
 
6:10 PM
@caps it could move or copy or be overloaded to say hi to your mum
 
@thecoshman Or what if the constructors are not explicit but the assignment operator is?
 
there's no such thing as an explicit assignment operator
 
@caps rule of five or zero or three... some rule
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah. Nevermind that, then.
 
@thecoshman you are very good at C++ yeah
 
6:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, it's been too long. The skill rot is real
currently failing to get a custom type to be found as the key in a map :\
 
to be what
 
as far as I can tell, I just need to implement operator<
 
and == iirc
 
¬_¬ I hope not... I really hope not
 
dunno, maybe == ~ !(a<b) && !(b<a)
can't remember
 
6:15 PM
I think it just uses < to work out if it's equal
nothing seems to say you need ==
 
@thecoshman why
how come you can implement < but not ==
in haskell Eq is a prerequisite for Ord
 
because I spent ages thinking my < was wrong...
I'll see what happens if I make ==
 
@thecoshman So wait, operator= would actually get called in myclass variable_name = some_instance
 
@caps afaik, yes
 
@caps No
 
6:17 PM
@caps no
 
well this odd... seems my custom key type was working just fine... it's just this one entry is not getting removed for some reason...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then how could an overloaded operator= move, copy, or "say hi to mum" in that case?
 
it can't.
it's not called
 
@caps What case? operator= is called for example in myclass v; v = a;
 
no it's just not called
 
6:19 PM
@milleniumbug Well of course. But we are talking about myclass variable_name = some_instance
 
C c = C(5); calls copy ctor (or move if available)
 
@caps Then it isn't.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What about C c = 5?
 
@caps It calls a constructor.
 
disclaimer: My knowledge of C++ is at the dangerous level where I know enough to look like I know what I'm on about, but not enough to be listened to :|
 
6:21 PM
initialization is fucked up but it's not assignment ever
 
@ThePhD One hypervisor can be active, the problem with HyperV is that it activates itself on boot and stays active, even when there are no VMs running
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but why not have 2 hypervisors? :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz How is it fucked up?
 
afair VT-X access is exclusive
 
@caps coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/d62adebf1a3b2dc8 (but with -fno-elide-constructors, so you can see which would be called if copy elision didn't exist)
 
user3010322
6:25 PM
Awww titbuckets.
 
user3010322
Inside objects get destructed before the destructor of the owning class is called. :(
 
Of course they do? It wouldn't be safe otherwise
 
user3010322
Also, uh.
 
user3010322
All iterators are TriviallyCopyable by std:: defintion, right?
 
user3010322
'Cause if so, that... basically throws this entire iterator shebang entirely out the window.
 
6:27 PM
No.
 
@ThePhD Not sure about trivially copyable. I remember reading that they should be copyable and that copies should be cheap.
 
^
 
user3010322
Well.
 
user3010322
If you copy these iterators, it breaks the iteration process.
 
Not permitted.
 
6:28 PM
throw std::bad_iterator();
 
Even input iterators are copyable.
 
user3010322
Well, shit.
 
user3010322
I can't imagine a way to do this.
 
@StackedCrooked Bad iterator. Go stand in the corner and face the wall!
 
Ok.. :(
 
6:29 PM
@ThePhD lol
 
That's what I'm doing right now
 
user3010322
If a table_iterator is copied, that's fine, but the destructor is what performs cleanup.
 
user3010322
(Of the lua stack.)
 
user3010322
If it cleans more than once.... uh.
 
When standing in the corner I used to study the patterns in the wallpaper.
 
6:30 PM
Banned. Shared ownership only.
 
user3010322
I mean, it works for a simple for loop.
 
@ThePhD Iterators are essentially always passed by value, so ...
 
lol iterators that modify state
 
user3010322
@Puppy So I have to use a shared_ptr internally? :(
 
Or do a deeper copy. Or just don't own with iterators is more normal.
 
6:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's one of the two purpose for which they exist. v0v
 
@Jefffrey Uh, no?
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I can't help it. Lua's iteration technique is the absolute most primitive way to do it.
 
@ThePhD Then deep copy
 
@StackedCrooked I grew up (well, spent the years when normal children would have grown up, anyway) in a house where the interior walls were painted a single, solid color.
 
Or lift the ownership to a parent object
 
6:32 PM
Iterators enable C-style array iteration for non-array data structures.
 
user3010322
Deep copying means re-pushing the entire state of the current stack since the iterator was created... onto the stack.
 
Wallpaper is for noobs
 
Clone the stack in the first place
 
user3010322
I... can't?
 
@JerryCoffin Wow. Though childhood ;)
 
6:33 PM
@StackedCrooked Iterators enable uniform iteration for all sorts of linear data structures (array-like other otherwise).
 
@CatPlusPlus Uh, yes? At least of output iterators.
 
Reread what I wrote and come back after than kthx
 
The most rare and useless kind
 
Iterator itself doesn't modify the state
 
user3010322
u.u;
 
6:34 PM
Iterators are maybe the best educational example for teaching people that polymorphism can be reached without virtual methods or "interfaces".
 
@Puppy lol
 
user3010322
But the way lua iterates requires that the underlying state of the stack be modified.
 
Ranges better
 
user3010322
That's how lua iterates.
 
There's more than one kind of polymorphism
Then don't use Lua iteration for this
Modify the VM
There are options beside doing the wrong thing and calling it a day
 
6:35 PM
@StackedCrooked ...and are probably the single biggest motivation for adding Concepts to C++ (well, along with Ranges, which are pretty much isomorphic to iterators).
 
5 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
lol iterators that modify state
 
This is what you said.
 
^ @CatPlusPlus
 
Yes, good job
 
6:36 PM
Given an output iterator it, in *it = 123 (assuming it compiles) you are modifying state.
 
Now consider the fundamental difference between a thing that modifies the state and a thing that is used to modify the state
 
So iterators that modify state is fairly normal.
 
@Jefffrey The iterator did not modify state.
 
And they say purity is complicated :v
 
The iterator only provided deref.
 
6:37 PM
If you are using the iterator to modify the state, you are modifying the state.
 
I agree.
 
Oh, you guys are on a pedantic strike. I see. Please, continue.
 
No, it's not a pedantic strike
It's about the iterator itself
 
The iterator provides a reference to the "pointed" value. I get it.
The iterator itself is not modifying the state. You are modifying the state by using the non-const reference. We got it, thanks.
 
Are you saying I am a pedant?
This is StackedCrooked you know.
 
6:39 PM
Thanks for Coliru
 
Maybe I have become one...
@Jefffrey lol, wut
 
What's hyper-v supposed to be doing anyway. Tried installing a linux guest, got a crappy slow thing with software rendered desktop, 800x600 resolution, and no mouse pointer :/
 
@Jefffrey I appreciate your thanks, but I don't see the connection :D
 
@Jefffrey It really is an important distinction. There's also a mid-point: iterators to some types can modify state even when you only read a value rather than writing (e.g., for splay trees).
 
@JerryCoffin The canonical 'touch the world' iterators that always come to my mind is the stream stuff.
 
6:40 PM
@melak47 You need to install guest tools for GPU drivers
Paravirtualisation requires support from both ends
 
@StackedCrooked He's trying to modify its state without writing through the iterator...
 
@CatPlusPlus I read that they supposedly put that crap into ubuntu. nada :(
 
@ThePhD Be careful to use aligned storage.
 
Also I imagine Hyper-V is geared more towards servers than desktop
 
6:44 PM
Sometimes I read my two-year old conversations in the transcript and think: "Damn, I was so stupid back then."
 
@LucDanton They're open to a little more argument though. There you really have two iterators, one of which is inherent to the stream itself and auto-advances when you read/write via it. Nonetheless, just reading via an istream_iterator doesn't mean you've really modified the stream, whereas reading from a splay tree really does modify the tree (but only its structure, not its content).
 
So there might not be any GPU drivers at all
 
@StackedCrooked You just had to know somebody was going to star that, didn't you?
 
All of my VMs are running headless so I don't really care myself
 
Actually, I didn't expect it.
@CatPlusPlus This reminds me of this anime..
 
6:47 PM
Bling Bling Walrus Riders
 
It had headless people.
 
@JerryCoffin But it does, doesn’t it? If you try to iterate against the same stream again, you won’t see the same sequence, unless precautions are taken.
My litmus test is whether for(auto&& item: r); repeated twice nets the same thing or not.
 
crap I can't focus today
 
auto focus;   // No, C++ is not a dynamically typed language
 
auto focus = zoom();
 
user3010322
6:49 PM
@StackedCrooked I think that about things I say yesterday. .-.
 
user3010322
Also, ugh.
 
user3010322
Iterator sematics.
 
This makes me wonder. Is the word "zoom" onomatopoeic?
 
user3010322
This'd be easier with a range. .-.
 
@LucDanton Yes and no. Even if you copy the iterator, the actual iteration is still controlled by the "iterator" inherent to the stream itself, so the two copies of the iterator aren't independent. OTOH, if you open a file twice, you get separate underlying iterators in each, and reading through the file with one clearly doesn't change what you'll read via the other.
 
6:51 PM
@ThePhD Damn, you are true the king of code.
 
They’re not copies though. Each range-for calls begin/end—one would expect hence two separate iterations, no?
 
@StackedCrooked homoepatic?
 
perhaps
 
So here we are, the big question: pointers or references? I am building an AST where I receive components as pointers and I'm keeping them in unique_ptrs. So far, so good. But now I need to implement getters. My initial plan was returning a const&, not a pointer. But some elements are optional, so a nullptr is stored and obviously I can't return a reference for that.

Here's real dilemma: should I return a const*? Or a boost::optional? O something more clever I didn't come up with?s
 
6:53 PM
No
 
Optional Maybe
 
Eh... It would be nice to have a Maybe thing in C++
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
So I mean... it works for plain iteration.
 
user3010322
But to be perfectly honest, iterators suck anyway. .-.
 
6:54 PM
@StefanoSanfilippo std::optional<T>
 
user3010322
I mean, it's not CRASHING
 
user3010322
But it won't work if you do things like start copying iterators and shit.
 
user3010322
Which makes it less than useful.
 
@FredOverflow I'm afraid we'll have to wait a few years before that
 
user3010322
This is too hard...
 
6:55 PM
In the meantime, there’s std::experimental::optional. So a few months, tops.
 
@StefanoSanfilippo Oh, I thought it was in C++14, but you're right.
 
@LucDanton Yes, it would be reasonable to expect that, if you thought that a stream iterator was like other iterators. Nonetheless, the situation falls considerably short of what you get with a splay tree, where reading an item really modifies the underlying data itself, so (for example) retrieving one item will change the order in which another (completely independent) iterator retrieves the contents.
 
My main concern is breaking the uniformity of the API, but I guess a optional<Foo> is far more explicative than a const-dunno-why-ptr.
 
user3010322
... Wow, I just realized that even saving iterators would be a dumb idea.
 
@JerryCoffin I disagree that it is about the iterator category. It’s not within the purview of the iterator concepts to describe the behaviour, it has to do with what begin/end should and do mean. So maybe stream iterators should not be the first thing that comes to my mind after all :)
 
6:59 PM
template<typename T> using maybe = const T*;   // problem solved
 
@FredOverflow at that point I would be returning a pointer, and I'd really avoid that.
 
user3010322
auto it = table.begin();
auto oldit = it;
++it;
// oldit will properly dereference since we store a variable, but that doesn't stop
// it's ++ from writing to the lua stack, where lua pulls its values for the next dereferencing
 
user3010322
Fuck this. I can't make an iterator with such a shit API.
 
@StackedCrooked That's a good thing
@JerryCoffin Not sure what you mean. Do you mean that they implement an operator* that modifies state?
 
@StefanoSanfilippo Why? There's nothing wrong with non-owning raw pointers.
 
7:02 PM
> Am I the only one to believe in the existence of a secret C++ committee in charge of sorting out new concepts every 15 minutes, just to make sure no one can master it, except for (perhaps) Bjarne?
 
@ThePhD frankly, I feel I can raise you the gcc 4.(n-1) version of that with near-identical gains. Are you sure that upgrading gcc is the essential ingredient there? That seems a little bit odd
 
lol?
Not even Bjarne knows all C++ anymore
 
@FredOverflow homo pathetic
 
@sehe Also known as homo sapiens.
 
6 hours ago, by sehe
> Shut up you pathetic specimen of a homosapion! That shit ain't the logical way of life
 
7:07 PM
chat search does not find substrings?
 
Apparently
 
not cool
maybe there is a syntax for that
 
hint: (a) no (b) it'll time out
 
user3010322
@sehe You're right: I managed to get most of the things in there, since GCC 4.4x actually supported a lot of what I wanted. What they didn't want to do was allow me to flip the -std=c++0x or -std=c++11 flag. But since GCC 4.4/4.5 didn't have things like nullptr, template aliases, delegating/inheriting constructors, as well as a handful of (workaround-able) variadic bugs, I was advising we upgraded while also flipping the -std=c++11 switch, but most of what I demonstrated
 
In other news, today's errands with my son lead us to speach synthesis (surprisingly, still a good way to amuse people)
 
user3010322
7:08 PM
could have just been handled with -std=c++0x on GCC 4.5
 
 də kˈɔp vɑn də kˈɑt ʋˈɑs jˈaːrəx
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 zɛɪn stˈaːrtʲə kɔn nˌit mˈeːdˌun ʋɑnt hət ʋˈɑs pˈɑ sˈik ɣəʋˌeːst
 hət kʋˈɑm pˈɑs œyt hət zˈikɛnhˌœys ɛn hət hˈɑt zˈoːn pˈɛɪn ɪn zən kˈeːl ɛn ˈɑl dɑ tˈɑnsən ɛn dɑt sprˈɪŋən ʋˈɑs hˈɛm vˈeːl tə vˈeːl
 
user3010322
But I was flat-out turned down, and I still get to use the lovely std::tr1::unordered_map implementation and other stuff along with it.
 
That was the test case. See if anyone will decipher the source :)
 
Does anyone of you here has something to contribute on this question?
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Q: What is the actual purpose of std::type_info::name()?

πάντα ῥεῖToday a colleague of mine came and asked me the question as mentioned in the title. He's currently trying to reduce the binaries footprint of a codebase, that is also used on small targets (like Cortex M3 and alike). Apparently they have decided to compile with RTTI switched on (GCC actually), to...

 
7:09 PM
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Q: April Fools' celebration proposal

gtgaxiolaSimilar to Winter Bash, how about being Jon Skeet for the upcoming April fools' day? Members of the community can choose to temporarily change our profile pictures to: And probably a little description on how low in the percentile we ranked compared to him.

^^ sounds familiar :)
 
@ThePhD That's depressing. I can live with GCC 4.7 or thereabouts, but there's not a lot to argue for using --std=c++03
 
@Jefffrey Yes--with a splay tree, just retrieving a value from the tree can rearrange the nodes in the tree. The basic idea is that it's self tuning, so items you retrieve a lot end up closer to the root of the tree, and items you use less end up further away from the root, so the more often you retrieve an item, the faster it is to find that item.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Concerning the second question, assuming I understood it correctly, there's the boost.typeinfo thingy
(since 1.56)
 
@JerryCoffin Nice
 
@AndyProwl I think boost is completely out of question here. It's even hard ton convince that guy to use C++ in favor of C at all :P ...
 
7:15 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok. Did I at least understand that question correctly? Were you indeed asking if there is a portable alternative to type_info::name()?
 
this motherfucking game is looking so awesome
 
@LucDanton My point isn't so much about iterator categories as the simple fact that reading from a stream works a particular way, and virtually nothing you can do with a stream iterator can or will change that (the "virtually" pointing to the fact that in theory you could just read the entire file into something like a vector when you create an iterator over the stream, then iterate the vector, but that's usually quite impractical).
 
@AlexM. wow
 
@AndyProwl No, I was asking, what's it purpose at all.
 
7:16 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ All right, but then what did you mean by "Does anyone have an idea, how to overcome (work around) the generation of these useless string literals (under assumption they'll never be used)?"?
 
the details on some things are just wow
 
@AlexM. is that your game?
 
yeah I'm developing The Witcher 3 in my spare time
 
nice
 
I also own CD Projekt
 
7:18 PM
what's that?
 
CD Projekt, also known as CD Projekt Capital Group, is a Polish company focused on developing and distributing video games through its subsidiaries. == Subsidiaries == CD Projekt RED - video game developer, known for The Witcher games GOG.com - digital video game distribution platform == External links == Official website...
 
ah
I guess I've been trolled? :D again
 
@AndyProwl So my co-worker is pretty sure the string literals generated to support std::type_info::name() aren't used in their code, and it's not necessary to have them supported in turn.
 
did you really think I was developing something like that
lol
 
@JerryCoffin Our original matter aside, I worry about such things for generic code: what does template<typename Thing> auto f(Thing& thing) { ptrdiff_t c = 0; for(auto&& item: thing) ++c; for(auto&& item: thing) ++c; return c; } do?
 
7:19 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah, I see. Sorry for the noise
@AlexM. why not?
 
must've been a lot of work on their side to pull off such detailed and crisp textures on everything
especially the faces
 
@LucDanton Right--and the short answer (as you, of course, already know) is that it's somewhere between hard and impossible to be sure.
 
user1804599
 
@LucDanton Unless I'm missing something that should be fine if the iterator category is >= forward iterator.
 
7:23 PM
@Rapptz Have you seen a range proposal that handles this matter correctly?
 
Not sure I follow.
 
@CatPlusPlus nvm, I just thought the things scaled
my UI is actually fucked up
nothing seems to work
I remembered wrong I guess
 
@Rapptz Suppose instead of for(auto&& item: thing) … we have for(auto&& item: thing()) …; when is that correct, if it is at all?
 
user1804599
It's similar to the difference between <- and = in Haskell. — райтфолд just now
 
user1804599
This will sure help OP!
 
7:26 PM
@LucDanton Well the for range loop extends the lifetime of thing() and then calls begin() and end() on the temporary.
 
@AlexM. lol
 
@Rapptz So now [&] { /* prepare stream */ return istream_range(stream); } is correct, assuming the necessary preparations.
Isn’t that super weird?
 
Assuming no lifetime issues or dangling references no?
also istream_iterator isn't forward iterator from earlier
 
@Rapptz There can’t be, barring Machiavelli.
@Rapptz And yet the code is correct and useful (so to speak).
well, that’s kinda ignoring things like races if you’re using any sort of non-string stream but hey :)
 
correct in what sense?
 
7:32 PM
You can put a specification in it: it produces twice the length of the range result. With preconditions, too: that’s assuming the 'same' result is produced by successive calls to thing, for some meaning of 'same'.
 
I don't really like iostream_iterators.
I've barely used them and never had any use for them.
 
Other input ranges include generators. I’m really making a point about input ranges (not iterators: my example code deliberately doesn’t use them), not stream ranges in particular.
 
Also I don't consider it to be a valid iterator
 
@Rapptz I've used them quite a bit, at least in demo code--but you do have to be aware of a fair number of caveats to use them.
 
¬_¬ you make a sscce and it ends up working just as it should... so not sure what my main code is going differently that is breaking shit
 
7:35 PM
@Rapptz They are, though.
 
I know.
They're input iterators.
The worst kind.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ did you just assume I didn't read your question? Gee. You're even dismissive in the comments to your own question. I guess that's ... a fair way to operate :/
 
I don't see how your code above will work for istream_iterators.
 
You can map some of the coroutine stuff to input ranges, too. (Another kind of generation really.)
@Rapptz k, gimme a sec
 
@LucDanton Once the iterators stop reading from stdin how is it going to get to the second for loop?
 
7:38 PM
@Rapptz That’s part of the preconditions.
 
user1804599
Price: US$ 99.99 / € 99.99
 
user1804599
Those motherfuckers.
 
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Q: Is relying on Demorgan's law in open-source code a barrier to contribution?

dotancohenI recently added this code to a Github project I'm working on: if not initial_push=='y' and not initial_push=='yes': print('Aborting.') return False Since this is a public repository that I'm hoping people will contribute to, I am considering refactoring that bit as the sli...

lol
 
@sehe No I didn't assume this of course, especially not with you. But I also didn't ask for any compiler actually, did I?
 
user1804599
Assuming this is Python, if initial_push not in ('y', 'yes'): is more readable than either. — RemcoGerlich Feb 23 at 10:32
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
eww a tuple.
 
user1804599
should be a set :(
 
user1804599
people y u never use sets
 
why the fuck would you use a set there
 
user1804599
Because you check whether the thing is in a set of options.
 
user1804599
It's the correct data structure for this.
 
7:41 PM
@FredOverflow lol
 
user1804599
A tuple should be treated as an immutable struct with numeric fields. Fuck iterating over tuples.
 
@Rapptz He is fanboing about sets recently
 
@Jefffrey Oh okay.
 
> error: no type named 'result_type' in 'struct main()::<lambda()>'
Boost.Iterator is getting older and older
 
user1804599
People tend to use list-like data structures for everything ranging from sets to multimaps for no apparent reason other than them being morons.
 
7:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ So? Are you living in this black and white universe where meaningful direction and information can only be gleaned if the context was 100% the same? Because then you'll miss a lot of valuable input. Of course all ABIs have similar things.
Of course, the chance is high that you'll eventually end up using a hack that is GCC specific. But before you do, it's useful to know what is common practice in the industry. E.g. ig both clang and MSVC have flags to strip the names, that should tell you a feature like this is (a) feasible (b) likely to be hidden somewhere etc. etc.
 
I'm really getting hyped for Cities: Skylines.
 
@sehe Of course not, your contribution is useful, I think you misunderstood my comment.
 
I do wonder why there isn't std::string type_info::demangled_name() or whatever.
 
@sehe LOL "end up using a hack that is GCC specific" I even recommended him to hack GCC implementation, to support this option (we have full control over our toolchains mostly)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It's not hard to misunderstand it. Since you stressed "but" and "clearly" :)
@πάνταῥεῖ It's probably true that you can axe a few COMDATs or whatchamacallits
@Rapptz Because why on earth would you want to instantiate dynamically allocated strings if the values are all compiletime literals?
 
7:50 PM
@sehe Wut? That's beyond me :-P ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, I severely hope someone will do the legwork there. It's bound to be not-too-difficult for some people. This is prime reason to scout for existing knowledge too: to see how valuable the question could be for SO
 
user1804599
@Rapptz I wonder why exceptions don't contain goddamn stack traces.
 
@sehe I would leave it to my co-worker anyway ;-) ....
 
I don't know why but I found both the question, answer, and this comment amusing
@NeverForget Please don't completely change the question after someone has answered. If you have a new question, ask that as a new question. I took time to answer your question here, changing it to an entirely new question invalidates any answers you received. — Byte56 ♦ 58 secs ago
 
7:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Getting hyped for games only ends up in disappointment
 
@CatPlusPlus How cynical.
People on YouTube are already playing it.
They got review copies a week before launch.
It really looks like SimCity: No Bullshit Edition.
 
Quattro Formaggi
now owns 2 more games
Transistor | Metro: Last Light Redux
steam OS sale
nice stuff there
I like how Skylines isn't on sale but is still listed there lol
 
It has some preorder bonuses stuff.
But I'm not preordering anything ever again.
Not after that whole SimCity fiasco.
That was awkward.
 
I preordered Witcher 3
but I did it with money from CS GO items
so I didn't lose much :D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ If you do -fno-rtti but use exceptions it'll still work for exceptions only but not for anything else.
 
7:59 PM
@AlexM. Preordering is blindly trusting the developer.
 
@райтфолд Because the stack is an implementation detail? ;)
 
> Disable generation of information about every class with virtual functions for use by the C++ runtime type identification features (dynamic_cast' and typeid'). If you don't use those parts of the language, you can save some space by using this flag. Note that exception handling uses the same information, but it will generate it as needed. The `dynamic_cast' operator can still be used for casts that do not require runtime type information, i.e. casts to void * or to unambiguous base classes.
 
I'm not even buying at launch
 
@EtiennedeMartel don't mind in this case
as I said, I did not lose money
 
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@FredOverflow So make the return value of stack_trace() implementation-defined.
 
7:59 PM
I mean I made no sacrifices
 
@AlexM. Well, you did.
 

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