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7:00 PM
@thecoshman IIRC the source does contain a \Sigma. That is, LaTeX notation is allowed in source.
 
oh, you're talking about stupid shit though.
of course latex will allow shit like that, as that's half the point of latex
I thought you meant in some sort of ide
 
I did.
 
like for C++
 
Sure, why not.
@thecoshman So? What do you think?
 
if the leading character was not one that was reserved, and the substitution was only for display purposes, then sure.
 
7:05 PM
How could it not be reserved? How would that work?
You want \Sigma to display Σ and be a compiler error?
 
@LucDanton that's a good idea
 
why the fuck
 
it would have to not be reserved by say C++, and it is just the ide seeing '\Sigma' and swapping it out when it displays it.
 
are you marking adds as merge conflicts
 
7:06 PM
@LucDanton no you ding bat
 
how can it conflict WITH NOTHING
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
 
I want to type '\Sigma' and the IDE then swaps out the symbol, so I reads easier, but the underlying code is '\Sigma'
 
@thecoshman Well, given \Sigma has a special meaning how do you describe the special status the leading `\` would have?
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus the other branch deleted the file
 
I want Mercurial
 
7:07 PM
@LucDanton it's only so that if I type 'Sigma' the IDE will not swap it, unless I use '\Sigma'
 
@AlexM. it's not really that big of a deal to pay 20$ dude :d
 
@райтфолд And launching mergetool does exactly nothing, great
 
@ScarletAmaranth what
 
@AlexM. how is removing the 20$ cost a big blow for Unity?
 
It's a hurdle
 
7:14 PM
@ScarletAmaranth more people start to use it?
 
@AlexM. it's 20 bucks...
 
and now it's free
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yes, but free is considered infinitely better than non free.
 
you seem to claim that $20 == $0 or sth
 
Think of all the extra royalty they get :P
 
7:15 PM
Humans have double standards when it comes to evaluating costs.
 
@Meraj99 they'd have gotten it in the first place anyway
 
I claim that if someone wanted to develop games with unity, they would simply pay 20 bucks
 
UE4 was never "pay monthly and no royalties"
 
Well, now they'll get more.
 
7:16 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I don't know how to explain this to you
I really don't
 
@ScarletAmaranth Unity's main strenght has always been its cost.
 
how do you explain to someone that getting something for free vs for money is better
it's common sense
 
Now it doesn't really have anything special.
 
Editor is okay
 
Just like UE's.
 
7:17 PM
UE's feels far less streamlined
 
@Xeo does UE4 do ECS like Unity?
 
ooh full game is £45 tho
 
user1804599
@tux3 Why are you recommending dangerous tools like new and delete to a beginner? — райтфолд just now
 
user1804599
tux3 is a fucking moron
 
> dangerous tools
 
7:20 PM
@райтфолд don't be a twat
 
@ScarletAmaranth Lots of people might dev games in their spare time but not want to pay the cost.
offering a zero-cost option enables people to hone their skills on their weekends
 
Plus UE4 gives you access to source for free now, too
 
it does require a much better PC than Unity
doesn't affect me in particular but it's worth mentioning
 
I'm now seriously thinking about using UE for prototyping this thing I was thinking about.
 
7:22 PM
@CatPlusPlus Wait what
 
> Processor Quad-core Intel or AMD, 2.5 GHz or faster
Memory 8 GB RAM
Video Card NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series or higher
this is recommended apparently
 
I thought getting the source was $20
 
No, it's free now
 
I was doing just fine with Unity 4 on a Core 2 Duo with 4GB of RAM and integrated video
 
user1804599
@tux3 Right, they're already doing it wrong (C-style arrays instead of std::array), so let's teach them more wrong things? Great logic. — райтфолд 5 secs ago
 
7:23 PM
OH SHIT
 
user1804599
:trollface:
 
i am downloading as hard as i can
 
you can only download as hard as your ISP allows
 
Plus there are UT2015 builds available from the launcher now
 
@AlexM. don't tell me what to do
There's no support for Linux? Are you fucking kidding me
 
7:25 PM
Gott in Himmel; rightfold and Puppy are acting like two year olds on that question
 
@AlexM. That's pretty low, actually.
 
I JUST WANT THE SOURCE YOU MONKEYS
oh haha, okay nvm
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was comparing to Unity
also it's not low, especially not for hobbyist developers
 
Yes, but UE's "recommended" specs are basically three year old hardware.
 
I wonder if it will choke
I only have 8GB
 
7:27 PM
Also KDiff3 doesn't have undo
 
I have 16, I don't know how you can manage to live your life with only 8.
 
Really? I have only 6. No complaints, and won't have any for a long time o_O
 
@EtiennedeMartel nothing else requires 8
 
@AlexM. Except running more than one instance of Visual Studio at the same time.
 
7:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus hype
 
@EtiennedeMartel VS2013 uses <100MB atm
 
lol 8GB
 
@EtiennedeMartel 6
 
I wish I had 32
 
and I'm working right now
as in, max load in my case when working
 
7:30 PM
@AlexM. VS2012 uses 500 MB right now.
 
I don't do anything more demanding
 
user1804599
puppy does wide allow arbitrary width integers like i9 in LLVM?
 
holy hell these pizzas are 14"
what was I thinking?
 
lol 100MB for VS
R# takes like 1GB
 
Is their whole process on paying royalties just based on honesty?
 
7:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus Says 89.8MB.
 
@райтфолд It's on my "To consider later" pile.
 
You overstated it by 11.3%.
 
user1804599
What would it be useful for?
 
@Pris It's based on "if you make enough money that they're losing stuff, that means you're a decent target for the lawyers".
 
let me see what happens when I attach the unity debugger to VS
 
7:31 PM
well I could scrab bitfields and such
 
in terms of memory
 
UE is recognisable as shit, no big release will get away with not paying
 
it goes to 102MB used :P
 
> NSFW Month on Ello.
>
> Following Google’s decision to ban NSFW content from Blogger (followed by an awkward reversal), we decided to celebrate freedom of speech on Ello by naming March NSWF Month.
lol, good job
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you really think this scrub is using R#?
 
7:32 PM
"Not Safe Work For" Month?
 
user1804599
@Puppy I see.
 
> Help us celebrate NSFW Month on Ello by posting and discussing ideas about free speech, censorship, and why it's important that Internet remain open and free.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. ?
 
inb4 everybody starts posting hardcore porn
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Freedom of speech"? Eh?
I wasn't aware that Google is the government.
 
7:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel You must love that rock you live under!
 
user1804599
func abs(x: T): T is nicer than sub abs(x: T): T.
 
Xeo
Alright, pasta again today. This time with chicken breast /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
Seriously though, those people who whine about "censorship" and "losing their freedom of speech" whenever someone else tells them to shut up really grates my ears.
 
VS takes 300MB on start, without a project open
 
hang on. how come I've only just figured out to Google Image Search 'nsfw'
 
7:33 PM
@Xeo in unity gameobjects have components attached to them to give them purpose
like this
does UE also work like this?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah but it seems like a sticky business model. Consider how much it would cost to prove someone is using your technology and that they are exceeding a certain revenue and all that. Taking you to court, doing an audit etc would be a huge expense imo
 
Xeo
Oh, that. No quite, I guess.
You can have blueprints which you can attach everything to, if you wanna
 
user1804599
I haven't really sorted out numeric types.
 
@Pris They've been running that way for a while now. Seems to work pretty well.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because you're the king of dorks
bing is better for nsfw search anyway
 
user1804599
7:35 PM
It'd be nice to implement abs as sqrt(real(x)^2 + imag(x)^2) but that's rather imprecise for floats and integers and rationals.
 
I hope Unity integrates CoreCLR
 
OMG I AM NEVER GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCHING 'NSFW' AGAIN
4
 
That dumb outdated Mono because of consoles shit is annoying
 
user1804599
> Math.sqrt(Math.pow(-40, 2)) == Math.abs(-40)
true
 
user1804599
Extremely interesting.
 
7:36 PM
why?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the risk of miley cyrus is too big
 
user1804599
> Math.sqrt(Math.pow(-Math.PI, 2)) == Math.abs(-Math.PI)
true
 
user1804599
I expected it to fail horribly.
 
@Xeo so like you attach gameobjects to scripts? :O
 
Xeo
@AlexM. You can attach whatever you want however you want, or not
Just try it
 
7:37 PM
@райтфолд ...why?
 
@Xeo a bit later once I'm done with what I have here
sounds interesting though
and different
 
user1804599
@SamDeHaan Because floats don't have infinite precision.
 
@AlexM. nope, UE4 uses subclassing (e.g. SpecializedActor inherits from Actor)
 
user3010322
FActor
 
I don't think ECS and subclassing are mutually exclusive
 
user3010322
7:38 PM
UObject
 
and the subclassing is covered by the so-called blueprints
 
user3010322
Get it right.
 
at least if you're using blueprints
 
Xeo
@ThePhD AActor
Get it right, scrub
 
user3010322
@Xeo I was half right! D:<
 
7:39 PM
Unreal_Engine_4_Actor
Get it right, Epic
 
user3010322
Was it F for Primitives?
 
user1804599
And Math.pow results in a rather large number when given a large number and 2.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD ye
 
It's for FuckYous
 
Xeo
like FString, FText, FName (all string-like classes), or those FVectorOfInconsistentNaming
And if it's a template, TMap or TVector
 
user3010322
7:40 PM
Ugh.
 
user3010322
FName.
 
user3010322
What a nightmare that thing was.
 
FuckString
 
I am so excited I wanna go through all the source code but its just so massive
 
user3010322
You don't want to go through that source code. :v
 
user1804599
7:42 PM
Quite interesting.
 
btw that ECS model where you keep logic in processors instead of components is better
 
I wanna know how it works!
 
@Pris Very carefully
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus In "processors" ?
 
I want to steep my brain in the wisdom of UE devs
 
7:43 PM
has anyone used Unity 3d?
 
@ThePhD I'm guessing he means where components are closer to PODs and you have 'systems' or 'processors' that iterate through all components to do work based on them
 
@Pris spoiler: it's not easy and well-written
at least from a "clarity" POV
 
user1804599
func abs(x: Number): Real {
    non-zero-parts(x) |> map(square) |> sum() |> sqrt()
}
 
user1804599
This could be a nice implementation.
 
7:50 PM
the next gen opengl is going to be called 'vulkan'? what in the fresh hell
 
"System" is such a dumb name for that
 
@Pris Forged in the depths of a volcano!
 
That's actually oddly relevant since spock just died
Valve UnreaL Khronos AMD NVidia
 
...
@Pris confirmed
 
hardly a stable alliance
 
7:53 PM
 
I can't think of an actual acronym that vulkan would stand for
 
It doesn't have to be an acronym
 
Very Unkindly Lies Killing As Neighbourly
 
Wait wait w a i t
GL3 was code named Long's Peak
 
@Pris Vuvuzela Lessons at Kantstraße
 
7:56 PM
It's probably just a code name like that, not an actual API name
 
Uh it's called "OpenGL" already
 
There's no indication the next API will be called OpenGL. They took a survey to change the name, and the presentation at GDC has "glNext" in the title
 
@CatPlusPlus what tool is it? the picture you just posted
 
UE4
Which can be deduced from context
 
gaaaaaaaaasp
You guys, AMD contributed "mantle" to glNext
 
7:58 PM
We know
 
"mantle" "earth's crust" "vulcan" "VOLCANO"
the pieces all fit
 
> It said that I have to add more details so I am writing this don't know what for.
 
@Borgleader lol
 
It’s subdued.
 
@AlexM. ^
accidentally got a 14"
 
8:04 PM
ewww pineapples
 
I don't even have plates big enough so I had to bring it upstairs on the packaging lol
bbiab
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Too small?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dat joypad..
 
user1804599
> y ∝ x means that y = kx for some constant k.
 
user1804599
TIL
 
Xeo
8:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Those monitors seem kinda small
 
Would you guys say that `ToString()` is univerally understood to mean "Stringify Me"?

I learned it from Java, and C++ kind of pushes for operator overloading, but I have a virtual method situation.
 
user1804599
I consider it too vague.
 
user1804599
Because "stringification" is too vague.
 
@райтфолд What is the name of that symbol/operator?
 
user1804599
@Nican no idea, but it denotes proportionality.
 
8:10 PM
was that a "screw you" ?
:P
 
user1804599
> sub circumfix:<⌊ ⌋> { $^a.floor }; say ⌊3.14⌋
3
 
user1804599
Perl 6 is so cool.
 
I feel like saying "x is a factor of y" would be essentially the same thing. Or would that also incorrectly imply that x has to be prime?
 
@QuestionC Why on earth would you need to be able to convert every derived class to a string?
 
@Puppy Generic code for outputting an object to a stream to save it to a file.
 
user1804599
8:12 PM
@Nican no, factors have nothing to do with prime numbers.
 
user1804599
You are confusing factors with prime factors.
 
user1804599
Which are a special case of factors.
 
But I would just use operator<< in that case.
 
@caps That needs a better protocol than 'to string'
 
@caps I don't see why you would want to be able to do that with the base class.
 
@Puppy I have a Job Queue that can only interact with its jobs through a virtual interface.

I want to print the Job Queue, including details about the jobs that are queued.
 
we'll dine in dll-hell
 
that's called a "debugger".
 
@MarcoA. I love the the face of disapproval from all the developers in that picture.
 
It's a little more complicated than that. Due to the nature of the program, it can get behind on work and I need to show the user how far it's behind, or why. Maybe even let them cancel jobs if the boss lets me add that.
 
8:18 PM
Then I think you can come up with a more descriptive name than to_string. Perhaps description?
 
user1804599
Printing the job is not the job's responsibility, so it shouldn't be a method.
 
It obviously should be called CancelleableStringProducerFactoryBean
4
 
user1804599
Make it a free function.
 
It's kind of debugging, but really just, the end user needs to tell program is working, or if not, then why. It's a program for performing long-running calculations.
 
I don't know what Squishy the Suicidal Pig is, but it costs 0.14€ atm
5
 
8:21 PM
@QuestionC So what we're actually saying is far more than just a string. It's ToUserRepresentation.
 
lol non-reactive UI
Also Elite: Dangerous y/n
 
n
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ooooh
looks tasty
@CatPlusPlus looks familiar enough
 
Fucking hell.
WPF bloggers are all idiots.
 
I'm shocked
 
8:26 PM
this is a total surprise to me.
 
Whenever they write a blog post about a solution, they can't just show the code in their post.
Nooo, they have to make you download a .zip
That contains a solution for an old ass version of VS
And they never even heard of R# because their code is atrocious
 
puppy uses R#
apparently I accidentally purchased considerably more cheese than I needed.
oh well.
 
Eat cheese
 
I don't use R#
 
Xeo
@Puppy There's never "too much cheese"
 
8:36 PM
Look at this scrub that doesn't use R#
 
@CatPlusPlus I fucking told you.
But hey, his code might suck balls, at least he's saving RAM!
 
Erm... What is R#?
 
resharper
 
Xeo
Resharpie.
 
Oh, ok. Thanks.
 
8:42 PM
people at work are also like
 
Makes your C# nice and good.
 
"you don't use visual assist? O_o"
 
Yeah but VA is shit with C#.
 
of I don't use VA
1) I use Sublime Text.
2) meh too much effort to learn a new plugin
 
And the only reason it's good with C++ is that there's absolutely nothing else.
They're alone on the market until JetBrains gets their shit together and starts shipping R# C++ builds that actually work.
 
8:43 PM
I also use Sublime Text.
I like it, it's pretty simple to use.
 
@AlexM. ReSharper's pretty easy to use. It highlights the bits of your code that suck, and you can then mash Alt+Enter to get a fix suggestion.
And then Enter again to make your code non sucky.
 
user1804599
Vim master race.
 
Xeo
and then you just ctrl+space / alt+enter your project to completion
 
fine, I'll install it
I installed VS2013 community anyway
for the unity plugin
> Free 30-day trial
AHAHAHHAHA
paid plugin
fuck it
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel R#++ dies with Unreal Engine's projects ;_;
 
8:46 PM
@Xeo It dies if you so much as look at it.
I mean, I get that it's really early, but fucking hell.
It's like they're applying game development methodologies to their products.
"Our tools must not work at all until the day before we release them for realz!"
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel s/day before/day after/
 
@MarcoA. xbox 360 controller innit
@Xeo well they're not!
 
@Xeo Well, back in my day, in 2013, it was the day before.
@Xeo I just noticed, it's 4:3.
Fucking hell.
 
Today, it is just "People are still buying our game, lets not fix it"
 
They're fixing them.
 
8:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The one on the left is, yeah :P I've had this one for like 10 years now
 
Problem is, even a day after release is too late.
 
The widescreen to the right is relatively new
 
I just looked at the price €249
what the hell does it do for that much money
 
@AlexM. It writes your code for you.
 
I'd rather use 250 eur to buy
dunno
 
8:50 PM
Also, at that price that probably includes VB.NET support.
 
a GTX 970 or sth
 
Which you won't need.
 
@AlexM. YES
Do it! Do it! Do it!
 
€149
for individual developers
the 250 was for companies
even 150 eur is too much
I don't think I need this plugin to write code that is only worked on by me
@Nooble I'll upgrade this summer
so a full case -> mobo -> GPU upgrade
 
How "intelligent" is ReSharper anyway?
 
8:53 PM
ReSharper Free Open Source License
 
@Nooble Quite a lot, actually. Does static analysis and everything.
 
maybe I can get this or sth
nope I can't
 
@AlexM. This summer the R9390 will probably come out, which would probably beat the 970 by a long shot.
 
I'm not buying AMD
 
:C
Why not?
 
8:54 PM
because I don't want to ever risk getting a game at release that runs worse on AMD on purpose
 
When I say long shot, I mean like 50% more performance.
Do they really do that?
 
Just buy more RAM.
 
@Nooble yes
see Far Cry 4 which was worse on AMD until patches
also see how games push Nvidia-only stuff
e.g. PhysX stuff in Arkham series
or the fur in Far Cry 4
nothing huge but hey
 
Grrrr!
@andrewa "Edited it~ Sorry!" You're exactly following the pattern I predicted in my previous comment. You post a moving target, and expect us to debug it. Such isn't helpful for anyone else but you, turning your online debugging service marionettes on here. Stop that! — πάντα ῥεῖ 27 secs ago
 
I don't doubt AMD's performance
but I'll go with the GPU maker that has the tightest relationships with gamedev studios
 
8:56 PM
I guess.
 
it's not exactly nice to feed this sort of monopoly
but it's not exactly nice to play a downgraded game either :P
 
The only thing you're really losing is PhysX though.
If you had an R9-390 you would be able to push all the games to ultra at 1440P most likely.
 
and higher framerates pre-patch
 
ergh... I've forgot about the subtle meanings of const in C++
 
to me it looks like I could go with nvidia and not lose anything
so why go with AMD and lose things?
 
8:59 PM
mainly how foo(const T& t) differs (if at all) from foo(T const& t)
 

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