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5:00 PM
speaking of stupidity, it's begun already:
@user3629249 First of all it is not my code. I simply have removed typedefs from the original code. And secondly do not repeat stupidy after other low-qualified programmers about not using casting with malloc. And please do not show here a reference for the answer in this forum where this stupidy was upvoted. I already down-voted it. — Vlad from Moscow 21 hours ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow, so name collisions are really the whole reason people discourage using namespace std;?? Well, then I'll continue using it in source files ^^
 
@jPlatte I still generally prefer not to but yeah
 
consider i have a bool variable "equal" . How does the If-else statement execute if i say if(equal) statement1
else statement 2 .
 
what do you mean "how does it execute"
are you asking what the result of that pseudocode will be?
why not try it and see
 
say equal is "true" will it execute statement 1 or statement 2 ?
and if equal is "false" ?
 
5:06 PM
Try. It.
I'm deliberately not going to tell you, because you should try it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have already tried , if equal is true then statement1 , and if equal is false then i get statement 2 .
 
I first expected this question to be about the asm generated or something but now I'm generally curious why this question was asked :D
 
Well then. Is that not your answer?
@AlexM. I really wish you'd written those messages on one line -.-
 
I m not satisfied , in my opinion since the code is if(equal) statement1 , shouldn't it give only statement 1 ?
whether its true or false
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit want a repost?
it probably lost flavor now anyway
 
5:12 PM
@Theorem I think you have to clarify what you mean...
Did you say the else part should never be executed, independently of the value your boolean variable??
 
@Theorem Yes?
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
You're saying it should do something, and it does that, and you're not satisfied? What?
@AlexM. It's still true.
 
@Theorem Are you saying it should ignore the result of the variable named equal?
 
(I feel like we're cyberbullying Bartek)
 
The whole point of if/else is to branch to one of two branches, depending on the truth value of the condition.
If the condition is just a plain variable, then it depends on the value of that variable.
 
5:21 PM
There is no difference to putting some complicated expression directly into the if, or storing it inside a variable first and then put that variable into the if.
 
@AlexM. nom nom
@EtiennedeMartel Bartek cyberbullies himself.
 
@AlexM. Back when she first did Locomotion, I had a friend who bought her CD--but I'm pretty sure he was quite a bit more excited about her body than the songs...
 
@JerryCoffin the song above is the only one from her that I like
haven't heard many though
> It's been an amazing year for Unreal Engine 4. We've grown a lot, we've learned a lot, and with your help and feedback, made the engine easier to use and more powerful than ever. Now we're making Unreal Engine 4 freely available to developers everywhere.
wtf
> If you have paid for a subscription on or after January 30th, you will receive a pro-rated refund for your latest month's payment after March 12th. You'll continue to receive all future updates for free.
/cc @ScarletAmaranth
I was going to buy it soon but hey I don't mind seeing it go free
 
Unreal news.
 
that's a serious blow for Unity lol
if you're not going to get a huge hit from the royalties
you get so many more features with UE4
 
5:28 PM
It's probably going to still take 5% of your earnings.
 
compared to Unity free
 
6
Q: Top gear presenter pees on snare, why?

LiamI was watching Top Gear last night and Richard Hammond was (supposedly) trapped on a mountain in British Columbia and had to "survive". At one point he laid a snare for rabbits on a track and said: The instruction on this say I need to bait this with my own pee (continues to pee on snare) ...

lol @ title
 
24 secs ago, by Alex M.
if you're not going to get a huge hit from the royalties
 
While Unity is 1500$ up front and that's it.
 
welp
guess my next game is going to have realtime shadows!!
and post processing
lol
 
5:29 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yep
 
the rumors are going crazy
that's a HL3 logo
> "This is evident after Valve’s very own Steam network was mistakenly updated with Half Life 3 on it. In detail, Steam listed the App 323900 on their database as Half Life 3. Of course, the reveal has already been removed by Valve." as quoted from the report of Motoring Crunch.
> As we have reported before there is a rumor going around that Gabe Newell would finally announce Half Life 3 at Valve's The International 5 2015.
 
When's that?
 
I wonder how the internet will look like once the announcement is made
 
user784668
@AlexM. Half Life 3 confirmed!
 
- HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!
- ...
- NO, SERIOUSLY!
- WHAAAAAAAT?
 
5:33 PM
It was confirmed long ago..
 
if the do release HL3 with support for their VR headset
 
@AlexM. I would laugh hysterically if all "unknown apps" use that logo
 
@AlexM. Probably about like it does today, unless it happens much further in the future than expected.
 
both the game and the headset will sell like bread
HL is essentially a meme now
people would buy it solely because it's a meme and everyone buys it
 
@AlexM. "6 days ago (December 24, 2014)"
top up-to-date reporting
this news is two months old
 
5:38 PM
> Now we're making Unreal Engine 4 freely available to developers everywhere.
I cancelled my subscription and they panicked
2
 
lol
 
that's right
 
user1804599
Are subroutines that never return considered procedures or functions?
 
that's it exactly
@райтфолд yes
 
"If we give Cat the engine for free, we'll be able to get at least $10 mil from his sales!"
 
5:39 PM
Got 30$ credit out of it for the marketplace thingy
 
user1804599
this is nice: etall.tumblr.com
 
I wonder if big studios also go with the royalties
I'm sure that, say, EA could negotiate one-time payments with Epic
for example
@EtiennedeMartel forgot about this though
> Actually, Unity's iOS and Android Pro modules are $1.5k each, so the final cost if you want to hit both mobile platforms is $4.5k per seat.
 
Fuck mobile
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Since when's that?
 
user1804599
ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahaha xeo
 
5:44 PM
@Xeo Since 40 minutes ago
 
Xeo
lol
 
it's ok
 
user1804599
So.
 
your studio will get refunds @Xeo
 
user1804599
I think I will generate a function for every basic block.
 
5:45 PM
read what I posted above
 
user1804599
Then it's possible to jump into what would otherwise be continuations.
 
@NeelBasu Which is exactly what that page, clearly, states: "With bundled properties, we can just pass a member pointer as the property for get" and even, explicitly (redundantly) "The type of the returned property map is property_map<Map, double Highway::*>::type or property_map<Map, double Highway::*>::const_type, depending on whether the graph map is non-constant or constant.". That's basically all the content of that heading, modulo the example. — sehe 2 mins ago
... in which the hero guides the OP in slowly digesting and accepting the presence of boost documentation
 
user1804599
you're a fool, not a hero
 
COINCIDENCE? I DONT THINK SO
 
user1804599
@AlexM. lol you're terrible
 
5:48 PM
shut up I was talking about something else
 
user1804599
That's as bad as two-phase init.
 
I saw "tryOpenWindow" and thought about usual windows
not fucking OS windows
 
user1804599
Try functions are terrible.
 
user1804599
Throw exceptions.
 
oh yeah
try { openWindow(); } catch (CantFuckingOpenWindowException) { playAnimation("shrug"); }
sounds like a good idea :A
 
user1804599
5:50 PM
Yes.
 
user1804599
That's good.
 
lol
 
@райтфолд ...except when it's try_some_potentially_blocking_operation.
 
user1804599
Why would that be any different?
 
lock vs try_lock.
 
Xeo
5:50 PM
I wonder if everyone will get access to the UDN too.
That'd be sad
 
user1804599
Oh.
 
Xeo
It's such a nice an civilised place
 
@Xeo your assets are compromised
 
user1804599
I like lock_now which throws if it can't lock now.
 
Funatics is now owned by the people
leave now and you may keep your life
 
Xeo
5:51 PM
@AlexM. err
 
ERR_WHOOSH
you mean
is UDN some sort of private forum for UE users?
 
Xeo
It's SO for subscription owners
 
> The Unreal Developer Network is the official support site for both licensees and mod developers of the award-winning Unreal Engine real-time technology, including both engine licensees and users of Unreal Development Kit.
 
@CatPlusPlus haha
 
seems like people will also access it
get ready to have that place turned into Unity Answers =))
with people asking how to increment a variable
 
Xeo
5:53 PM
Well, there already is an answers.unrealengine.com hub
for the non-licensees.
> participate in the AnswerHub Q&A
hmm, doesn't seem like they'll get free access to the UDN
 
it would probably piss off big name licensees if they'd get I guess
Unity would just piss off indies
and Blizzard
 
@райтфолд troll level: pathetic
 
user1804599
?
 
user1804599
It's my opinion.
 
Ah good. This means that next week you might have the opposite opinion
In an imperfect world, I vouch for giving the programmer choice where relevant
 
Xeo
5:58 PM
@AlexM. Expect!
 
Patronu!
 
I hope I finish my game with trolls soon
so I can try UE4
I want it now but I'm not done yet :(
 
Just make any online playable game. The trolls will be the one feature that implements itself :/
 
if you didn't say what would be 'done' you either fail or never finish
 
@AlexM what is UE4?
 
6:03 PM
Unreal Engine Four (I presume)
 
@thecoshman finished level where you have two battles with two groups of trolls
that's about it
 
user1804599
@sehe Sure, they have the choice to write a wrapper that returns a Boolean.
 
user1804599
I should give Rust another try.
 
@AlexM. that's still rather vague with a lot of potential scope creep
for instance, as these trolls going to be all the same? animated?
 
6:23 PM
@райтфолд Are you writing your compiler in Rust now?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
In LiveScript.
 
user3010322
"If this machine accepts the reverse of the strings accepted by a Regular Language, then the machine is regular."
 
user3010322
In my head, I can do that.
 
user3010322
In a program, I can do that.
 
user3010322
6:25 PM
Fuck me if I can do it with formal theory shit.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Oh, so it's really free now? Not like "if you're a real company you need to pay or else"?
 
It still has royalties if that's what you mean
 
I wonder if there's an opposite to Developer. Enveloper?
 
@FredOverflow Architect
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow "Functional Human Being", maybe.
 
user3010322
6:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus So... you still have to pay them if you make money using it?
 
Yes
5% after some point
 
user3010322
Ah.
 
user3010322
So it's the old model they had.
 
I'm playing the Forza Horizon 2 demo
 
afternoon
 
6:33 PM
it's pretty good
 
gdc is happning right now and we're missing out
 
Not really
 
the new opengl, the new valve vr headset, HALF LIFE THREE
@LightnessRacesinOrbit gdconf.com get out from under that rock
 
let's face it: Valve ain't never gonna make HL3.
 
6:37 PM
Yeah I'm so excited about a game that stopped being relevant 10 years ago
 
yo, what algorithm would be visibly faster in C++ than in Java/.NET? I tried Eratosthenes Sieve but it was only ~10% difference
 
Yo momma
 
You mother algorithm.
 
I guess something with abusing pointers..
eee... what?
 
at least Valve went on to make stuff like L4D after HL2.
 
6:38 PM
"Terrible jokes (and/or puns) hour." aaah
 
@PTwr What are you trying to accomplish...
 
@Puppy Yeah I was just kidding about that last bit. Pretty hype about the rest of it though
 
@Pris oh a thing for idiots ok
 
@PTwr Have you tried sorting a huge list of random integers?
Also, why would C++ Sieve be significantly faster than Java Sieve?
 
@FredOverflow JIT is too good for that
 
6:39 PM
because Java, duh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know you're just trying to frazzle me, but it, ain't, gonna, happen :D
 
@FredOverflow objects are fat ;)
 
@PTwr There are no objects in Sieve, only the array.
 
@FredOverflow I counted on managed memory to make stuff fat enough to overflow from cpu cache, but today I learned that JVM can neatly pack bools in memory
 
@Pris oi, you, wot, m8
 
6:43 PM
wow its like most of the ~~performance~~ sperging is about snake oil
 
pretty much yea
after JIT properly kicks in performance is as good or even better
 
lol
 
I like when people create merge requests that are not up-to-date with the branch they want to merge to
 
Makes you want create pull request on their ears?
 
I'm obviously better qualified to solve merge conflicts having never seen the fucking code
 
6:46 PM
im pretty tempted to use utf8 in my code Δ
 
That's not special in any way
 
not special as in its commonly done?
 
If your code is ever not UTF-8 then I don't know what to tell you
 
Well even if it is, my point was characters outside of the ascii set aren't commonly used
 
For a reason
 
6:49 PM
UTF16 isn't that uncommon either
 
What reason?
Imagine how cool it would be to create a function that sums N arguments and give it a sigma symbol
 
Not cool, sigma symbol is right next to F13 on my keyboard
 
utf-8 or give me a good reason (unless robot is around, in which case I never said anything about unicode)
@Pris something like sigma(int... ints)?
 
Or just... Sum()...
 
though of course, more templating and what not
 
6:52 PM
omg this game is great
 
I think it'd be handy for readability. Like right now I have a bunch of variables that represent deltas... but I don't think using x_delta or x_diff or x_dt etc is as clear as Δx
 
There is problem with writing that thing on standard keyboard
 
oh yeah
 
@Pris pita to type really
 
and editing
and "Bob! Why the hell there are squares all over the code?!"
 
6:54 PM
just be glad we have the word 'delta'
'changeInPosition' would be a REAL pain
 
@thecoshman Do you have an opinion on langs/devenvs that let you input e.g. \Sigma and then display Σ as requested?
 
@thecoshman could use 'diff'
@LucDanton programmign in latex sounds awful
 
@LucDanton isn't the \ reserved?
 
@thecoshman they're already there
I only need to get the combat working
everything else is done
 
@thecoshman Yes. So that \Sigma works.
 
6:58 PM
@thecoshman Make a better layout
@Pris That depends on language not encoding
 
@LucDanton oh well... maybe... is it just showing it the symbol, or actually changing the text?
 
@Pris Have a look yourself, although that’s the range version (because std::accumulate is readily available).
 
o_0 can you not access public data from a const object you are passed?
I guess that makes sense...
 

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