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1:00 PM
or small trials
ironically my guitar multiFX has balanced output, but (cringe) only for mono
 
Not for .NET?
 
it's like getting a donut with only half of it covered with topping
 
@Jefffrey 3! = 6
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Apparently there's repetition
 
I mean no disrespect towards the people who died in car accidents, but it doesn't make sense that people who die on the roads in car accidents are not called road kills.
 
1:02 PM
@Jefffrey 3^3 = 27
 
> Job Simulator is the first SteamVR game to be announced pcgamer.com/…
flipping burgers IRL?
now you can do it at home too!
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't get it. It just seems a random blog.
@ParkYoung-Bae ∞
 
@Jefffrey That's a lot
 
Aaaaaaah there you go @sehe they have balanced 1/4" TRS outs
smart guys. I'd just need a TRS-XLR cables
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It's actually more than a lot
 
1:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz well, their not magical. You know what I mean a 'openWindow' function that returns 'optional<window>'
 
@Jefffrey it was a joke
 
obviously there may be a valid use case for that...
 
@thecoshman I absolutely have no idea what you mean.
 
So the possibilities are 2: either I suck at jokes or you do.
 
@BartekBanachewicz then let's just move on
 
1:04 PM
Option 3: you both do.
 
WHAT'S IT GONNA BE, COWBOY???
 
> How many combinations can you write with Model, View and Controller? Jesus.
> Hi hi there's a blog called Model View Culture
 
yeah, you do then
 
ViewModelControllerView
 
@thecoshman That being said, openWindow could well have IO (Maybe Window), and IO (Maybe a) is a perfectly valid signature for me.
 
1:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh, turns out glid wasn't 'hiding' the copy functions in a way that played nice with std::map, they needed to take a const reg, not just a ref. Look through transcript from last night if you want.
 
And the good old political issue:
ControllerControllerControllerControllerControllerControllerControllerController‌​ControllerControllerControllerController
 
throw an exception if the window could not be created
don't return nothing
@orlp dat r‌​
 
@Jefffrey why is this better than what I proposed?
 
@BartekBanachewicz like I said, there may be a valid use for returning an optional window. My original point was that what ever type system you have, you can still argue over exceptions vs optional/variant return values
 
@BartekBanachewicz What did you propose?
 
1:07 PM
except exceptions aren't typesafe
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman That being said, openWindow could well have IO (Maybe Window), and IO (Maybe a) is a perfectly valid signature for me.
I don't really see the point of using exceptions if you can use EitherT or MaybeT
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
 
Because a window not creating is an error
 
@orlp ask @BenjaminGruenbaum about that
 
A Maybe is for things that is fine not to have.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ?
 
1:08 PM
See find in a Map k v for example
Or a regex pattern matching
 
@Jefffrey what about Either
 
@Jefffrey so if I said "tryOpenWindow" with the implication that it might not be able to, or just plane choose not to, then an optional window is a fine return type?
 
I guess either is fine, but I don't personally like it too much.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what?
 
1:09 PM
Maybe is such an anti pattern. Like 99% of times I see it it's used in place of errors which means I get worse error messages :S
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum why are exceptions not typesafe
 
tryOpenWindow returns bool and changes state
noobs
l2program
 
@thecoshman Yes, but that sounds like a terrible idea.
 
I mean, it has its use cases - they're just not as common as people make them.
 
@AlexM. ughfuck
 
1:09 PM
although I'd write
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that means Either or a specialized ADT should be used in that place
 
if (canOpenWindow()) opeWindow()
it's nicer
 
@AlexM. sometimes you can't know without opening
@AlexM. it's really not
 
@orlp well, in what language? There is nothing inherently unsafe about exceptions - it's just that in some languages your functions can throw or exit computation with a completely irrelevant result in an abnormal way and not tell you about it in the type signature.
 
what is this philosophy hour with Bartek
 
1:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no shit :D
 
@AlexM. because then you decouple the check and your code sucks such a big time
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't know what language, bartek told me to ask you
 
not IME
 
@AlexM. well I figure no one goes out there to write shitty code on purpose
doesn't mean shitty code doesn't exist
 
just because you're Bartek
doesn't mean your opinion is valid
 
1:11 PM
@orlp oh, most languages. In fact the only language that has type checks on exceptions that I know is Java. In most other languages exceptions are not checked. Type safe exceptions are really annoying though.
 
hi all
i'm reading a c++ code here
it's like :
 
if (canOpenWindow())
{
	openWindow();
}
else
{
	shrug();
}
srsly this is proper code
 
@AlexM. no. I told you why your way is bad: you introduce a possible failure path gaining nothing, not solving the real problem and making the code longer and more complicated
@AlexM. no, it really isn't
 
@orlp like C#, C++, and Scala for example, and also dynamic languages like Python, JavaScript, Ruby etc. It's pretty common and very pragmatic to allow exception types to not be checked.
 
you need to know way more about the context of the callsite
 
1:13 PM
okay man
have it your way
 
and, again, you can't always check if you can open the window without opening it
(a window is just an example)
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with Alex's code...
 
Guys I think I've established a pattern
 
@AlexM. that's a very constructive input you have there
 
I don't know, I can check anything I want
 
1:13 PM
if a question contains "a <language> code" you can ignore it.
 
since I write the program
 
void myfunction(double x, double y){
    if(...){
        doSomething;
        return;
    }else{
        doSomethingElse;
        return;
    }
    myFunction(x,y);
}
it's a recursive function
 
@AlexM. do you also control the entire universe?
 
in my program, yes
 
i'm not comfortable with this kind of codes...
 
1:14 PM
@AlexM. opening a window goes outside of your program
 
LBYL and EAFP are both good approaches for different things. Seriously - arguing about it is pointless. It really depends on a use case.
 
@Julo0sS no it's not, unless doSomething or doSomethingElse calls myfunction
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'll go back to work now
 
to be fair, most code does it more or less like auto win = openWindow(); if (! win.isOpen()){ ... } or more or less
 
If it's a if(canOpenFile) openFile(); it's obviously retarded - we can all agree on that.
 
1:14 PM
you've stopped making sense
 
If there are no race conditions involved it's often nice to ask for permission.
 
auto window = open_window()
 
@orlp Nice catch
 
If there are then the operation needs to be atomic and asking for permission is impossible.
 
@orlp @Jefffrey What are these "return" supposed to do... does the code continue executing (get out of if/else) when return?
 
1:15 PM
@AlexM. Opening a window in 99% percent of cases is an OS call. If you don't consider it being outside of your program I don't know what to tell you
 
also I was talking about windows as in
a windows that gets open by a character
in a game
wtf are you going on about
 
about context/window creation from the OS
 
@Julo0sS that was my point, return stops computation in the function and goes back to the caller, so your call to myfunction never gets called
 
It really depends. Just google LBYL vs EAFP.
 
@AlexM. because for some reason I slapped IO on the signature I mentioned but you apparently chose to ignore what I said
 
1:15 PM
¬_¬ really now... is it that easy to troll the c++ room?
 
@thecoshman What?
 
Read what I'm typing instead of complaining you don't understand after reading half of it
 
@BartekBanachewicz ok, that's something else
 
Bartek and his ways
 
correct. it's something else.
 
1:16 PM
@orlp gimme a moment, i'll just check this... that was strange to me too... that's why i'm here...
 
His ways and Bartek.
 
holy fuck I bet Bartek is doing the "I won the argument!" dance now
 
You're arguing about APIs that have use cases in different settings.
 
His Bartek and ways
 
@AlexM. what are we betting on?
 
1:17 PM
@AlexM. no, the argument hasn't even started because you argued before you understood what I was saying
 
Lack of specifity is killing you.
 
@Jefffrey Alex be trolling
 
you replied to the points I didn't make
 
@Jefffrey Bartek weighs his and.
 
@orlp Mangos
 
1:18 PM
@Jefffrey 1 mango = 1 prayer
 
anyway "I see no reason to prefer making possible failures implicit by the way of unchecked exceptions being favored to an explicit Either return type"
 
That looks delicious
Now I want one.
 
it honestly looks like plastic
 
either you throw an exception and force caller to handle that, or return a variant set to an error that forces the caller to handle that error or live without the window. vOv same differennce really
 
if anyone can tell me why exceptions are a better measure I am all ears
 
1:18 PM
yes, in the case of a window as in program window I'd just do like I do with files
file = open sth
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's your argument?
 
if (file) {...}
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum never really like mango
 
@thecoshman so I take it you're a fan of choking kittens?
 
@AlexM. withFileOpen sth { ... }
 
1:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz equally, why is an optional/variant return better?
 
@BartekBanachewicz because if you do not want to handle the error it will automatically fail the program for you
 
I'd say that pragmatically you ought to prefer to throw exceptions because you probably want to log the error and get the hell out of the program before everything explodes.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum with my coke!
 
@BartekBanachewicz exceptions chain and propagate automatically which makes your life a gazillion times easier.
 
For window creation that is.
 
1:20 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Either chains too, it's a monad
 
The whole point of exceptions is not having to deal with errors and logic in the same code paths.
 
@orlp that's a good point
 
this is like the checked vs unchecked debate in Java
 
With exceptions, you just do that - you throw and you're out of there and you pass the responsibility of handling errors on.
 
@thecoshman Except that one was largely settled years ago, afaik
 
1:21 PM
@orlp I found a very interesting code for what i'm tryin to achieve, but it's made with c++
 
But yeah, why don't we have checked exceptions in Haskell
 
because we have Either
 
There is a unified way in the language core for decoupling error handling from logic - that's beautiful.
 
@AlexM. Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
 
personally, I don't think you should force the caller to handle errors they don't want to handle, so throw rather than return some variant type.
Either way, the caller has the option of capturing the 'fail state' and doing something else.
 
1:21 PM
UNHANDLED EXCEPTION
 
All your 'can do X' call does is create a race condition
 
It's fine to use Either, you can emulate objects in C just fine.
 
@BartekBanachewicz boo hoo
 
@CatPlusPlus ah forgot about that too
 
You can code FP in C with function pointers too - it's a shim for a missing language mechanism.
 
1:22 PM
It's not a substitute for checking the actual result of the thing you're trying to do
 
Either sounds a lot like returning false in PHP
Just typesafe
 
@Jefffrey what
 
@CatPlusPlus lol, never seen that applied to code like that :P
 
@Jefffrey and with explicit unpacking
 
@thecoshman It's common terminology in Python
 
1:22 PM
you can't use the result from Right directly
 
@Jefffrey it's actually exactly the same thing - yeah, with nice syntax.
 
and that's a very important point
 
@orlp I'm tryih to "understand" it and "translate it" to js or php, but i'm a bit lost... this is a very complicated "mathematic" code... would you help?
 
Don't check if file exists, just open it; etc
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum do you have to unbox with php?
 
1:23 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Type safety is definitely a given
 
@Julo0sS No, sorry.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, you can write code that requires you to explicitly unbox in php but don't have to.
 
But yeah, errors in return values sounds like a bad idea.
 
@CatPlusPlus imo, if openWindow returns, it should return an opened window. If it had a problem it should have thrown. If I expect to be able to do something about that exception, I should catch it.
 
1:24 PM
$phpEither2 = $phpEither->(function(left){
   // if lhs
}, function(right){
   // if rhs
})
 
Not always, but for window creation yes.
 
are we on the pragmatic side of things yet
 
This is like, 10 lines of php to implement, Either is not special.
 
of course it's not, it's trivial to implement
 
Take for example the log function
 
1:24 PM
@thecoshman Whether it returns a union type or throws is details really
 
Either sounds good for parsing.
 
^*2 this
 
You could turn log into a Maybe result if log is in the wrong domain
 
The point is don't do "canOpenWindow" because there might be a million years between that call and the actual "openWindow"
 
or you could appreciate what exceptions give you, and not handle it at all if you don't care
 
1:25 PM
And you have to handle the failure anyway
 
@CatPlusPlus except if it returns a union I HAVE to manually pull out the data I want and deal with the error. If I t throws, I can just let the bum out all the way.
 
Details
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think anyone is arguing for that approach though...
 
^ (except @Alex)
 
1:26 PM
Alex seemed to be?
 
^
 
@thecoshman you don't, you can write an Either that keeps the same value for the side you did not handle.
Like Result in Rust.
 
auto xlog, logerror = math.log(x)
if (logerror) {
    // print, exit, blablabla
}
 
Yeah, but he was trying to argue a debate we were not having.
 
I was talking about different windows
 
1:26 PM
@orlp that's the same as exception
 
Doesn't matter what it is
The principle still stands
 
@AlexM. well, I wouldn't really use your approach either way
 
It doesn't have to be an OS call
 
if (canOpenWindow())
{
	openWindow();
}
else
{
	playAnimation("shrug");
}
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum except if I want to use the value of the result, I have to manually claw it out.
 
1:27 PM
I would certainly do this all the time
 
@BartekBanachewicz dat pun
 
Even if it's your in-process UI thing, it's still a race condition
 
@thecoshman yes, but just once.
 
For no reason
 
@CatPlusPlus not if it's single threaded and makes no io calls.
 
1:27 PM
lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sure, except everywhere else I use it.
 
if if if
 
I.e. no program, ever
 
bottom line is I think exceptions are only ok if you accept/want the program to crash, and that's all I wanted to say here thank you.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Even then, if it runs out of memory.
 
1:28 PM
@orlp meh.
 
It's just bad API design
 
I really want to write in C++
 
auto thing = getThingOrThrow() <-- if that throws, I don't care any more, my life is over. Kill me and everything else.
 
Jesus Christ
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, exceptions are a way to signal that you are not in a position to handle the error - so you're moving it on.
 
1:28 PM
Crashing on unhandled error is definitely better than letting it slide somewhere silently
 
@Jefffrey do it then vOv
 
Do we have concepts yet?
 
Also, making handling exceptions opt-in rather than exceptions easy to ignore is a lot less error prone since the default is crashing.
 
@CatPlusPlus I agree 100%.
@Jefffrey no.
 
Not that it's too important, but still.
 
1:29 PM
try{ auto thing = getThingOrThrow(); /* do stuff with my thing / } catch(exception e){ / maybe I;ll just not do that thing... */ }
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If only people stopped being bad and writing catch-alls all over the place
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that aspect isn't different from Either.
 
The advantage of exceptions is that if you want to handle the error, you can, and if you don't you don't have to.
 
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@CatPlusPlus catchalls are usually evil no doubt - but still having to type the catch-all rather than ignoring the parameter is more work. So it's still a better default IMO.
Fun fact - in JavaScript - every catch is a catch-all -_-.
when I asked for a typed/predicate catch I was told to wait.
 
1:31 PM
Not fun
 
IMO not using exceptions is clearer in the way that the code that can't fail stands out
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum fun fact - javascript is a thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah
 
Only code that doesn't run can't fail
 
I used to work with an architecture guy. Too much low-level work gives you arousement and weird feticism for bit-vector operations. You quit using OOP principles and just make a big, long bit vector out of anything.
 
1:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus nonsense.
Agda code can't fail.
Safe haskell code can't fail. (IIRC)
 
IMO not using IO everywhere is clearer in the way that code that doesn't do IO stands out
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz This is why I'd like a compile-time contract checked noexcept.
 
@BartekBanachewicz let's see what my screw driver has to say about that!
 
Sure it can, execution environment still exists, memory corruption still might happen
 
1:32 PM
io can fail.
 
There's shitload of things that can go wrong at any time
 
Someone can always unplug the power while your program is running.
 
@BartekBanachewicz because a proper noexcept could do the exact same with the niceties of exception handling
 
@CatPlusPlus the only secure code is the one written in Vigil (github.com/munificent/vigil)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes, so mark it as something that can fail
@orlp Agreed.
 
1:32 PM
Ok guys, a quick quiz, can the following fail:
1. printf
 
2. log()
 
you start with Chromium's source code -> you end up with a blank int main() {}
 
yes
 
1:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz right, by adding a throws IOException - boy are you going to love this Java language I'm about to tell you about. Every exception has to be checked.
 
3. 10 / n
 
yup
 
4. 10 % n
 
1:33 PM
yes
 
5. v.push_back(1)
 
yup
 
conclusion? every fucking thing can fail
 
Let's say that I'll tell you when it cannot fail
oh, it ended
 
1:34 PM
@orlp NaN isn't technically a failure
 
Checked exceptions do more harm than good
 
@BartekBanachewicz NaN is a poor man's maybe - gives you a bad value and doesn't tell you why.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It traps on modern CPUs.
 
@orlp You go ahead and try to make 4 + 8 fail.
@CatPlusPlus How so?
 
There's more than one kind of NaN
 
1:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus you should listen to Bartek - he's showing us the light and teaching us how swell they are.
 
Signalling NaNs are trapped, quiet ones aren't
 
@CatPlusPlus wait a minute... checked exceptions... you mean an exception that signifies a fail state that the caller has to deal with... that sounds an awful lot like... :O Either!!!
 
okey, I'm out.
 
Here's the thing, the interesting subset of programs that can be written using purely non-failing operations is very small.
 
@CatPlusPlus and they are all and never NaN
 
1:35 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum has to start throwing shit ad hominems at some point and that's the point
 
Java exception handling seems less borked than C++'s
 
so yeah, happy discussion, bye.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't saying that they're bad :D
 
@Jefffrey Because people are terrible and it just leads to proliferation of catch-alls
 
At least half of the exceptions are checked at compile time
 
1:36 PM
@Jefffrey 3 bit adder in the cpu vOv
 
Have you ever seen Java code
Or did you just hear about it
 
@Jefffrey except for all the shit that uses checked exceptions
 
@thecoshman You find me a CPU of the last decade that has that.
 
@Jefffrey hey hey hey! we are talking theory!
 
Checked exceptions in Java are awesome. With them people can tell their bosses and investors they've written more code.
 
1:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus I had to write it, unfortunately.
 
Such productivity boost.
 
lol
 
@Jefffrey is + guaranteed to be atomic?
 
@Jefffrey The add might be unlikely to fail, but if you write it to memory then a chance that it'll shit itself increases a lot
 
@Jefffrey if you mean checked exceptions, that's not really what they mean...
@BenjaminGruenbaum I doubt it
 
1:38 PM
@thecoshman I didn't, but out of curiosity what do you mean by "checked exceptions"?
 
Well, if there is an OS bug then someone can interrupt the thread after you do 4 + 8 (or during if it's not atomic) and just write something else there instead.
Or the computer can shut down.
We don't write programs that are robust enough to deal with these things of course.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 4 + 8; is probably removed from the executable
So it cannot fail.
That's the joke.
 
7 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Only code that doesn't run can't fail
 
@Jefffrey if something throws one of those, you HAVE to either try{}catch{} it, or declare that you also throw it
some one somewhere HAS to catch a catched exception (though IIRC the main function can throw them...)
 
@thecoshman How does that differ from what I said about Java exceptions, exactly?
 
1:40 PM
@Jefffrey run time exceptions can be ignored. you can happily not catch them, you do not have to try the code that might throw them, you do not have to declare that you also throw them...
 
What do you think I meant with "half of the exceptions are checked at compile time"? That the compiler checks if the name of the exceptions is long enough?
 
@Jefffrey no idea what you really meant to be honest.
@CatPlusPlus it can probably still fail though...
 
I meant what you are saying.
It's ok. No need to apologise.
 
WHAT YEAR IS IT!!!
 
1992
 
1:43 PM
I made a mushroom in Inkscape
I'm an artist
 
That's a buttplug
 
alex van gogh
 
@Jefffrey more like Alex van go away ... :\
 
Alex van Go
 
just wait, today a mushroom, tomorrow the art for Crysis 4
 
1:45 PM
@orlp Everything is a buttplug if you're brave enough!
11
 
@Rerito - Abe Lincoln
 
@Rerito As long as it's round and you have enough lube...
 
@EtiennedeMartel inb4 lube is for wimps
 
Someone was trying to shit glass yesterday, so everything is possible.
21 hours ago, by thecoshman
I trie... I tried so hard, but it's like shitting glass shards. I just can't put up with it.
Seems like he knows what he is talking about
 
Shit glass? Such silly things reminds me of Cartman eating from the ass and shitting with his mouth
 
1:47 PM
Lounge<Finesse>
 
what the fuck is happening here right now
 
My limerence has ended by the way.
FREE AGAIN
Now I can fuck rightfold again
4
 
@Jefffrey that was about tolerating orbiting light
 
user3010322
Limerence?
 
It's a disease
 
1:49 PM
@Jefffrey I kid from Italy added me to his friends list yesterday, probably after seeing my username (Quattro Formaggi)
> Ciao sono Matteo, ho 15 anni e mi piace giocare a molti giochi (tranne quelli sportivi) mi piacciono quasi tutti i giochi, ma sono anche scarso a tutti i giochi xD
 
wat
 
I think he's talking about games
and his 15 years
I dunno why he calls people hoes though
 
@thecoshman Looking at the progress of computer science, I would say we're stuck somewhere in the 70s.
 
> Hi, I'm Matthew, I'm 15 and I like to play many games (not sports though), I like almost all games, but I'm also terrible at all games xD
 
I like how you translated the name too :D
 
1:51 PM
@FredOverflow Meh I would say the 70s grabbed all the low hanging fruit and progress naturally comes slower now.
 
You mean 15 years olds play games? Don't they all fuck like wild rabbits now?
 
yeah
a 10 year old told me to fuck off in CS GO
 
@Jefffrey '15 year olds'
@AlexM. vOv CS:GO
 
Highly ironic
 
In CS:GO there are numerous children under the age of 15 all of whom have mated with my mother.
 
1:52 PM
@orlp plenty here too
 
lol
 
it's actually funny because you can hear their voices
and people are like
 
@CatPlusPlus mildly tonic
 
"how old are you?"
"I'm in first grade"
then they tell him to stop playing
so he goes "shut up idiots"
 
lol playing with pubs
 
1:53 PM
I like how we deal with those in Chivalry
Mods are great there
 
@AlexM. what?
 
You knock their heads off?
 
> ho 15 anni
it was a joke
 
@AlexM. CS is Counterstrike, right? What is GO?
 
1:53 PM
Global Offensive
 
Pissing off the whole world?
 
It's globally offensive alright
 
A programming language probably
 
yup, it lets you be offensive on a global scale
 
Computer Science: Global Oppression
Crap Shooter: Get Owned
 
1:54 PM
it's a great game if you have a premade team or end up playing with people who are preoccupied with winning to increase their rank
so you can actually do teamplay
 
How different from every game ever
 
the other 90% you are just playing effectively gungame
 
Except in GoI people are mostly OK
 
Game of Incest?
 
And in CS they mostly arent
 
1:55 PM
I love you bartek
 
Guns of Icarus
 
My limerence is back I think
 
Seeing as you're the only fucking person using that term
 
Sure GoI has like max 1000 players online
 
Don't play with pubbies
 
1:57 PM
cat wanna join my bronze team?
 
@CatPlusPlus it makes it all so scientificnonpatheticormaybejustalittlepathetic
 
we have huge potential
 
But I'd rather have 1000 decent people than the shitload playing cs:goo
 
You guys still playing factorio?
 
I'm waiting for stable multi
 
1:58 PM
My cats are licking each other
Holy shit I have to bite something
 
Try the pillow
 
 
Worked nice last night
 
@Jefffrey hot pussy licking action
 
@Jefffrey your cats
don't just stand there
join the licking!
 
user3010322
1:59 PM
If you have a char[1000] in C, how do you return that on the stack?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ho ho
 

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