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8:05 AM
@BartekBanachewicz they do forbid redistribution of modifications.
 
Ugggh R# setting to not touch a namespace doesn't work
Keeps removing it on cleanup
 
Huh
Someone starred my repo.
"Skorezore" -- that's nooble, right?
 
user1804599
Hoerezoon.
 
@ThePhD yeah
 
Ooh.
Right, there's icicle and all.
So, apparently, just as @ElimGarak said, glMapBuffer for textures is an absolutely horrendous idea.
Other people have tried it and it essentially resulted in a forced sync point from the graphics card.
 
8:10 AM
Oh no Elim Garak being right about GL stuff once again!
 
They said the best thing to do is a Pixel Unpack Buffer or to just use glTexSubImage2D.
So... I guess I don't have to write a special "map" path. Which is kinda nice.
 
@ThePhD what's mapbuffer for?
 
I can't wait to get atmospherics and realtime diffuse GI on the 6s, I can't churn out Metal code fast enough. ARM NEON has been seriously dragging me down (had to go down to assembly, as compiler generating instructions from intrinsics is doing a terribru job).
 
@thecoshman Maps a section of memory to be directly dumped into the GPU.
Or, it's supposed to.
In D3D11 it works like that, without anything inbetween (because the format you request in D3D11 is what actually gets made by the graphics card 99% of the time, bar special circumstances).
 
@ThePhD sounds like something you don't want to use that much...
 
8:15 AM
In OpenGL, implementation is allowed to swizzle / change internal format for whatever it thinks is best.
@thecoshman You want to use it when you have a dynamic texture or a dynamic buffer of some sort whose contents change every single frame. So you tell the GPU to write to it, use it, and then discard the contents when you call present() (or SwapBuffers, as it the case with OpenGL).
Those hints are supposed to make it so it puts it in the GPU memory "hot spot", essentially, so it costs very little to write to (and, optionally, to read from).
As opposed to GL_STATIC_DRAW stuff, where you dump it into the graphics card and then change it never again, so it just puts it in some deep, cold, buried place in memory (or its supposed to, anyways).
 
@thecoshman Actually, it's exactly the opposite! It's something you want to use all the time.
It's Vulkan's preferred way of doing things. Map all the buffers!
 
All memory is fast, writable memory in Vulkan! \o/
 
@GregorMcGregor I thought that idea of static textures is that GPU can freely fuck around all it wants... I guess with Vulkan that sort of mentality is going away, the GPU is just becoming more of a tool that does only/exactly what it is told to do.
 
What they're referring to only is for linearized blobs of memory only (buffers). Map and resource renaming becomes your problem, so you don't even have to unmap (for write combine only tho, readback still has price associated). Everything that is swizzled for efficient access (IHV proprietary and still no standard swizzle support) will be a bitch for at least a half a decade more. Unless IHVs start making out.
 
Christophe from g-truc hasn't gotten back to me.
I guess he doesn't think multiple index buffers are a good idea.
 
8:26 AM
Yeah, it's kinda a bad idea, but the reasons would require a fat blog-sized post. Focus on what's available right now. :D Obj initial usage was in offline rendering and you can do whatever the f you want there :D
 
It can't be that bad!
 
It's seldom really bad and it is mostly the "my family has been here for a long long time" type of deal. The classic graphics pipeline is really old. But APIs are still kinda clinging to it. One glorious day, we will assume direct control over the GPU with no fixed function aspects. But that is scary to a lot of learn-once devs.
GCN and Pascal are stepping towards that glorious future. Right now, we mostly settle for bending the graphics pipeline. Jumping out early, doing shit that doesn't have anything to do with rendering etc.
 
AMD needs to seriously step up their documentation game
@Elim let's make our GPU consultancy company
Domagpuj
 
Domagpuy, pronounced "Dough ma guy"
 
With our very own compute technology, OpenCLicuda
 
8:33 AM
Cue INCREDIBLY REALISTICALLY RENDERED Dough Guy as mascot logo.
"So real you can put him in icecream."
 
Man, I've always wanted to design GPUs. I was born 20 years too late. Basically Nvidia is shitting all over the place, AMD is struggling to get over 20% market share. And Intel doesn't give a fuck because they package it with their processors so you get it whether you want it or not. Basically, consumer rape.
 
I don't see what's so bad about integrated graphics per se.
 
Xeo
'cept you don't have to use it
 
I mean if most people don't need a powerful GPU then what's wrong with Intel providing one for basic needs?
 
Nothing wrong with Intel. That's a joke how cleverly insidious they were to get into the GPU market. They had a perfect delivery system.
 
8:36 AM
iunno, makes sense to me.
 
@Rapptz Graphics should be multicultural.
 
@thecoshman It's just that now you do the uploads yourself. memcpy is the upload command, not glBufferData.
 
I see the monopoly-ish argument though.
but AMD does integrated graphics too no?
 
Yup, but they are focusing on their APU game (their primary piece of the cake is "true APU" with the consoles). They're leveraged by both Sony and Microsoft. Although, Microsoft opted for a heavily crippled system.
 
I honestly don't know how AMD is failing this badly.
Every console this gen has an AMD chip in it lol
 
8:37 AM
It's an expensive business. And Nvidia isn't making it easy on them. Stuff like GameWorks, deals with developers to splash Nvidia in your face and all that shit.
 
Plus, didn't that HUGE smartguy leave AMD?
And wasn't he the one working on their next-gen chip?
 
I have an Nvidia card because of previous experience w.r.t. drivers is not too terrible on Linux/Windows.
 
user1804599
AWK is awesome.
 
My linux-Nvidia experience was nothing short of nightmarish
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes simples
 
8:39 AM
everyone says this but it just werks for me :v
 
@ThePhD really? It's been a breeze for me
 
Lots of folks working on shit, but there have been some people jumping ship. Basically, nobody wants to do amazing work and get fucked on the market. AMD GPUs hardware-wise beat Nvidia to a pulp mass. Have been, ever since the HD6990. But always some driver issues or some shit. It took 1 year to get 4.3 drivers (OGL).
 
HDMI drivers dropping out and fucking things up, sound NEVER working properly through HDMI, crashing constantly when doing fixed-function OpenGL dev....
This was, of course, 3 years ago.
I gaveup and stopped trying then.
Since then, Windows Windows Windows.
 
Nvidia always goes quiet + efficient (GTX 590+). AMD goes for a city brownout when you start a game. (HD6990+)
 
Oh wait this reminds me.
You're like puppy no?
 
8:40 AM
@ElimGarak I remember the wait for OpenGL 4.3 drivers.
 
Very bad at installing linux
 
No, I install it properly!
I have my own linux VMs and I installed it direct on my laptop, Fedora and Ubuntu and Debian. D:<
Hmph.
 
Ubuntu Linux is at odds with Maxwell. Basically, they try to jump to proper graphics mode really early (during the OS load) and Nvidia drivers fail miserably. I had to modify the bootloader not to initiate the proper graphics mode until it is loaded. Otherwise triple faults.
 
@Rapptz NVIDIA took the lead a couple years ago because of some AMD architectural choices
 
@Rapptz Always been like that for me. Had an AMD card for two years, fucking drivers kept crashing.
@Rapptz hehe
 
8:42 AM
From then on it only deteriorated even though AMD now produces virtually the same chips as NVIDIA
 
AMD was really late with the good stuff (GCN+). Like Jesus with the good wine.
 
AMD created x86_64!
 
I'd say the market share is unjustified on a purely hardware basis
 
they can't be that bad
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes AMD sure, but Nividea has better linux support afaik
 
8:43 AM
Well, AMD the CPU side. They moved in after Intel was way too bold with Itanium. AMD ATi is still the core of the graphics division. Even though the ATi got swallowed up.
 
However NVIDIA is much better at propaganda advertisement, tooling, vendor lock in strategies and overall dickishness
 
@thecoshman I mean, I always had Nvidia cards and they were always smooth as butter.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, me too.
 
EVGA-shipped NVidia stuff! \o/
 
The only mildly awkward thing I've had was that there was not trivial way of getting audio over HDMI set up
 
8:44 AM
Nvidia works amazingly well on Windows. They deal with Microsoft closely (I've had a guy from Germany on the line constantly who was my liason for graphics issues in the DX12 dev program, really cool in that regard). Holger Gruen or something.
 
@rocky No one was rude to you. Stop being afraid of the word "fuck" and unfairly saying people are rude. That is rude.
 
Xeo
Nvidia is fucking me over with the drivers. Update to the "game-ready driver" stuff? HDMI port breaks. Using the old drivers -> can't use game stream.
 
+"you rude fuck"
 
I haven't updated my drivers in a while
 
@ElimGarak It wasn't the case 4-5 years ago. :v
 
8:45 AM
I really want AMD to get a bigger market share. Nvidia needs serious competition.
 
GeForce Experience™ keeps asking me to though.
 
Even 3 years ago, NVidia was tripping balls on Windows machines.
 
@ElimGarak +1
 
WHOOPS accidentally took out your WHOLE FUCKING MACHINE sorry mate.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I wanna update, but I can't use my TV to watch animu then. :<
 
8:46 AM
@ElimGarak so very true
 
Poll time.
Who has an AMD card right now?
 
Me. But also GTX 980. I've got multiple of everything, a bit of a hoarder.
 
Technically me because no one wants to buy it off of me.
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, you have a door stop
 
8:47 AM
Me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Gift it to Ivan.
A few years ago, I remember offering a friend an HD6990 for free, I didn't need it anymore. He didn't want to take it.
 
Who would take a dirty HD6990
 
What about a HD7870 with 6 DP outputs?
 
Eww, Displayport.
 
wow 6 DP
 
8:49 AM
@Rapptz hiya
 
He bought a GTX970 (didn't play games in between, until it came out). Also, fucking DPs, I've had to buy a bunch of converters.
 
@Rapptz not a fan?
 
I am
finding a monitor with DP is fucking expensive though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wasn't the 6DP the only good thing about that card?
 
yeah :(
 
8:50 AM
@thecoshman No. It's an HD7870.
 
How much does it cost for a DP -> HDMI at your local shops?
 
how do you find monitors with DP ports
the cheapest one is like $250 here
I had to settle for DVI-D
literally
 
@ElimGarak 15 bucks or so.
 
There is usually a legacy "DVI-D".
I paid $45 for each of my 4 monitors to get it to work. Fucking ripoff.
 
also DP ports sounds really bad
 
8:51 AM
@ElimGarak That needs active converters, no?
 
@ElimGarak A long time ago the prices varied a lot and there was a lot of FUD about 'active' and 'passive' conversion and which card worked with which and so on. Ended up with the passivest ~15 EUR piece of connection I could find.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, also DP to VGA.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you check what ports those screens have?
 
Passive DP converters are fine.
@thecoshman I've been staying at the place they are not in.
 
what's all this about passive/active converter
 
8:52 AM
So the stalker added me on facebook. I found her status update from after the flight saying she had this nice trip talking to this interesting programmer etc. Comment by friend #1: "A programmer... talking?" - Comment by friend #2: "Oh yeah some of them do, unfortunately".
10
 
Kinda awkward that both me and my gf had just moved somewhere with a long-term lease when we met. So we spend half the time not in our respective flats.
 
@Rapptz As far as my needs were concerned, it was all noise :Þ
 
@AndyProwl I'm like, so offended!
 
@ElimGarak ikr
this isn't nice
 
8:53 AM
@AndyProwl Dun dun dunnn.
 
wow this is awful
 
The plot thickens.
Keep us updated!
 
all this because monitors are expensive?
what a life to choose
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in uni, I basically had a very large walk-in wardrobe with en-suite bathroom :\
 
let's check prices now in 2015 AD
 
8:54 AM
@Rapptz I managed to have 3-monitor Eyefinity off 1 DP with passive conversion but that may have involved ugly VGA or something :(
 
@Rapptz Physical point of signal conversion. Where the signal gets adapted. Guess which one is which. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes All that wasted rent cashmoney.
 
rip 3rd monitor now
totally unrelated of course
 
Do you GW2 on 3 monitors
 
@ThePhD Sex is expensive.
 
8:55 AM
Sexpensive!
 
@GregorMcGregor no, that would hide all my porn
 
Why didn't one of you move into each other's flats?
 
user1804599
Work_Load: constant array(Working_Day) of Working_Hours := (Friday => 6, Monday => 4, others => 10);
 
user1804599
> others
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Kinda awkward that both me and my gf had just moved somewhere with a long-term lease when we met. So we spend half the time not in our respective flats.
 
user1804599
8:55 AM
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOOKUP TABLe
 
Or was it just not big enough to do that?
 
@GregorMcGregor IMHO, 5760x1080 is terrible. It requires you not to move your head and focus on the main display as the displays don't move with you. Also, requires a proper field of view for the displays. Inherent perspective aberration completely shits your side views.
 
OH, WAIT
You don't mean that you have a third place.
 
You two are just in each other's places, ah.
 
8:56 AM
this is actually not terrible
I might buy one of these
maybe not..
 
Also, activating the "wide mode" actually abstracts the displays as a single 5760x1080 screen on Nvidia. Even when you're not in the game.
 
@ElimGarak That's what Eyefinity does.
 
All their effort with that GF Experience thing to do that gracefully, and we get shit.
 
> Seeing how the details show this monitor to weigh 800lbs, can anyone recommend a desk to support?
also wow
when'd robot get a gf
 
When he captured her. In a pokeball.
 
8:58 AM
not only does he have a gf
but it has apparently moved on to the point where sex might be an option
 
@GregorMcGregor More seriously I may have earlier in the game life but nowadays I don’t think I could run it very well. I remember setting graphics quality to garbage anytime I entered WvW, but I don’t do it anymore.
 
hey man you said a joke about it
was it not literal
 
@Rapptz Why is that so weird?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fuck your girlfriend, silly.
 
8:59 AM
Speaking of secks... Confession bear: I am not really into actually doing it. Like, at all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's like 4 months of dating for me to move on to that phase
 

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