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12:00 AM
Yeah. I view my dev envs as a sandbox too. And I keep them in a physical tree (not necessarily a single repo; in fact, rarely). The rule of thumb is: no absolute paths and everything XCOPY deploys (well outside system-wide ("OoSB") dependencies)
 
Hey, it could even use cilk::reducer<cilk::op_add<std::size_t>> instead of std::atomic<std::size_t>.
 
@LucDanton The only way I deviate is by using symlinks or cross mounts. So, in the strict, POSIX-ly sense, it is always one tree, yes. For me
Simplicity, I needz it
 
The FS serves the need of whatever we’re talking about, is what I’m driving at. Yeah you can say 'out of tree' as a figure of speech. I’m looking for precision however.
@sehe Completely irrelevant.
 
I know it irrelevant. It is my opinion. Of course it irrelevant. But you asked
 
A case of metonymy I believe. I don’t want that if I can help it.
 
12:03 AM
@Morwenn Jenkins' #1 flaw is lack of diversity IYAM. I love the Adiemus stuff though. Point in case, this stunning opening, where Shostakovitsch meets Hendrik Andriessen:
 
@sehe I don’t think that answers what I asked but kinda moot by now.
(or did you miss an arrow)
 
I didn't miss the arrow. I missed the subtlety of your question. It seems you have sandbox overloaded to mean a very exactly tuned concept already. So, that might mean there is no other possible way to name "out-of-sandbox" because no other thing will match the meaning?
 
Ell
@Morwenn can you implement quicksort using various combinators?
 
I should probably avoid the 'sandbox' term. Sort of the point is that you always stay within it, 'out-of-sandbox' would miss the point wouldn’t it?
 
@Ell I don't even understand the question :(
 
Ell
12:05 AM
I don't really know what I'm asking :V
 
kek
 
@LucDanton Well. If you're driving for precision, then (by definition?) "is it a mouthful" should come in second, I suppose
 
Ell
I mean, your sorting library seems like you have lots of different ways to combine different algorithms
 
@sehe It sounds like it lives between classical music and film score; that's interesting :)
 
Ell
ya know what forget it, it was a bad question :P
 
12:06 AM
@sehe You asked me what defines the sandbox boundaries, if not the FS. I brought up Cabal sandboxes since to my knowledge the many things it does don’t really make sense as FS stuff (e.g. the package database). Then you doubled down on symlinks???
 
@LucDanton I'd suggest you realized some things are out-of-sandbox anyways. So, you probably need to decide whether you're gonna exhaustively list the services provided in the sandbox, or exhaustively list those recruited from outside it.
@Morwenn Jenkins already :)
 
@Ell It only allows to build a smart dispatching to pick a good sorting algorithm based on the types. But it does not allow to build new algorithms :p
 
@LucDanton Sometimes messages get written concurrently. Often, because I'm slow to type/formulate
 
Ell
@Morwenn Oh I see
 
@sehe I have that in the back of my mind, yeah.
@sehe But the arrows good man! They don’t make sense!
@sehe You don’t mention when you’re not answering to something specific?
 
12:10 AM
@Ell Many algorithms fall back on other algorithms though. I hesitated to make adapters so that you could write using sorter = quick_adapter<25, insertion_sorter>>; so that your quicksort falls back to an insertion sort when it has to sort a collection of less than 25 elements.
But it would require to make adapters similar to many sorters.
 
@LucDanton Calm down :) When I post mine and just spot your message incoming, I have to snap judge whether I need to specifically target my message or read your follow up first.
 
Time to implement Gauss Jordan elimination in C++! \o/
 
Lounging be stressful for aspies
 
@sehe Oh, I already do that come to think of it. But in a very implicit manner.
 
@ThePhD for the lulz?
 
12:11 AM
@LucDanton I've unlearned the habit of reply-to-hooking everything. I found I'd often annoy Robot, e.g. Overplinking can happen
 
@Borgleader Class has it as a bonus question.
 
@sehe You’re among the ones that link to a certain gif every now and then. Reap what you have sown.
 
Trying to think how I should do program input.
stdin seems like a bad idea.
... Maybe both standard in and a file, to make it easier to test.
 
user406009
Nah, Stdin is great.
 
user406009
./program < blahInputFile
 
12:13 AM
@LucDanton that could be plenty. "Driving forces" or "Governing Guidelines" are often the best thing: they're easier to communicate. Of course, there's the problem of multiple interpretations or judgement calls. I think that should be social/team concern though
@LucDanton I'm not a terrorist fundamentalist :)
Teehee
 
@ThePhD file :)
 
This is going great
 
@sehe My habit is to neither mention nor link-up the message in those cases.
 
This combination is currently out of my league due to insufficient experience with async statechart. But certainly look at Boost Asio. — sehe 4 mins ago
 
user406009
I really wish there was a boost::asio for Java
 
12:15 AM
@LucDanton Darn. Now I'll have to go back and see which arrow was confusing. This will take ~10 minutes
 
Cabal sandboxes and symlinks, dude. <- no arrow, no mention
 
user406009
@ThePhD The only issue is that algorithm has like a bajillion edge cases.
 
Ell
@Lalaland nio?
 
@Lalaland It does?
I thought reducing a matrix to rref form was pretty straightforward
.... At least, on paper anyways.
 
@LucDanton Ah. this one is actually one of those that I should have hooked to my own preceding message. Agreed:
 
12:17 AM
@sehe I’ll add a nice note in the docs!
 
Oct 2 at 1:14, by sehe
It took me too much time to write that message, yet it wouldn't make sense "in reply to" the message by Jerry. So I replied to my own message, of what it was a continuation.
 
14 mins ago, by Luc Danton
(or did you miss an arrow)
 
@LucDanton Sweet.
 
I picked on it, too. Maybe you didn’t due to lack of mention/arrow :Þ
 
@LucDanton I didn't, I added one that was confusing
@LucDanton Nope.
:D
> :Þ
 
12:18 AM
@sehe So, you missed it. The arrow missed the target. Geddit?
 
long time no seen ^
 
imadeapun.so
 
@LucDanton the arrow missed (intransitive), I didn't miss it (transitive) :_)
 
I know. That’s why it’s fun. Like a German teacher of mine used to say 'faites attention à la rection'.
@sehe You can miss a shot.
 
It will be dearly missed when I'm in my bed soon :)
 
12:20 AM
@sehe "soon" :P
 
Les rections diffèrent d’une langue à l’autre, avec les conséquences que l’on attend.
 
rections?
 
I actually don’t know the English term for that or where to find it :( it’s jargon
 
(workings? rules? governings?)
I suspect a link with rex/regere (regere, regi, rectum)
 
I.e. the rules on whether a given verb/meaning is transitive/intransitive, and for the latter which preposition and case it comes with.
 
12:24 AM
Oh, I wasn't just making shit up. I was basing it on my understanding of English. It is possible I'm wrong there. Consider it an explanation of my "claim", not a defense of it.
Also, it was a pun, right. Maybe it wasn't officially life threatening after all :)
 
Knowing that "Jemanden einen Brief schreiben" is accusative object, dative indirect object.
 
Yes?
Darn. Botched fixed another link there
 
@sehe Dunno. There are several words around '-rect-' but it’s sometimes hard to keep track of why they used that root. E.g. no clue what makes a recteur a recteur and not, say, a directeur.
maybe you have to be anal to have that job
 
dirigere has a subtly different meaning, and originally the difference was "felt"?
@LucDanton I see what you did there
 
@sehe There’s a classic joke around it and there’s a Titeuf gag with it but I can’t find it on the Intarwebs :(
 
12:29 AM
A wha... Oh well. I'm going to bed :)
 
At least now I have 'rectum titeuf' in my search history, so not all is lost.
 
lol. It's interesting how little things can make you happy after fretting about the subtlest of language connotations :)
 
who said it’s a little rectum
 
I'm tired :)
 
Guise, I'm tired too. I will go to sleep.
I KISS all of you good night.
 
12:40 AM
@sehe @Morwenn nn sweethearts
 
@ʞɔᴉN Thanks :3
 
Ell
Boy it's tiresome entering in card transactions
 
@LucDanton Rection in French is rection in English, surprisingly.
 
@Ell Hm somebody should make an app
 
Ell
Banks need a (secure!) API
AFAIK banks have terrible outdated technology
 
12:46 AM
true, it won't change anytime soon though
 
@GregorMcGregor I would guess the term is very much jargon in both languages then. I’ve only really had the one teacher that used it.
In grammar and theoretical linguistics, government or rection refers to the relationship between a word and its dependents. One can discern between at least three concepts of government: the traditional notion of case government, the highly specialized definition of government in some generative models of syntax, and a much broader notion in dependency grammars. == Traditional case government == In traditional Latin and Greek (and other) grammars, government refers to the selection of grammatical features by verbs and prepositions. Most commonly, a verb or preposition is said to "govern" a specific...
 
Rection of digital matters is named e-rection.
 
8:48 AM first pun, good day ahead
 
Ell
Ah I'm £17 over my food budget
 
12:49 AM
@sehe Very nice
The difference between dang and gcc are staggering
 
So weird that we readily use linguistics for teaching other languages, but not so much the native tongue.
 
@Ell Whoa.
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor You have ruined your disguise by using the wrong timezone :P
 
user406009
Noob
 
@Ell For the month? Impressive.
 
Ell
12:52 AM
@LucDanton not a month yet :3
well kinda. I get a statement every month
but I only moved to uni half way through last month
so it's for 3 weeks.
which is pretty bad :L but I'm still getting used to this "buy your own food" thing
 
rip
 
Ell
I still have food in the cupboard also
I wonder when I'll have to shop next
 
whose food did you buy before
 
Ell
@LucDanton lol
 
whom's*
 
Ell
12:53 AM
that was pretty good
 
20 hours ago, by Luc Danton
Yes, but whose.
surprisingly broad range of application
 
@GregorMcGregor deselect all assigns and the one series with the obvious extreme outlier (I should hand-filter that o.O) and you'll see much closer results: clang vs. gcc
Also, note it is likely more libstdc++ vs libc++ in the assign case
 
@Ell Huh.
Who bought your food?
 
Was that your password
 
@sehe Hahaha no maybe.
 
12:58 AM
I remember @Tony accidentally posting his password in Lounge once
 
@AnalPhabet Has seen my password.
 
Ell
@Nooble my parents
 
He just doesn't remember it.
@Ell :D
 
Ell
Do your parents not buy your food?
 
Of course they do.
 
Ell
12:59 AM
there you go :P
 
But like you're an adult and stuff.
Declaration of Independence.
 
Ell
I'm not an adult yet :D
 
I've changed my password once after it got (possibly) visible on the livestream. It was complicated.
 
@Ell Yay!
 
Ell
@sehe oh dear
how did that happen?
 
1:01 AM
@sehe You know I should probably change my password since Nab saw it.
But I doubt he remembers it or was screen-capturing.
 
@Ell My window manager got stuck, so I switched to a vt to remedy it (as usual o.O) and I suddenly realized, Xserver might still be receiving the keypress events, so if the stream was still live...
 
Ell
but even in a vt, passwords aren't shown, right?
I wish I had the luxury of vts :(
 
Wasn't half as straightforward as when my wife had guest appearance that was strictly against the code of conduct o.O
 
Ell
:O I hope it wasn't a raunchy appearance
 
@Ell the vt was not visible, of course, but the stream was still going on the X terminal, and might (or might not) have echoed those characters because of my on-screen keyboard echo widget
 
Ell
1:03 AM
@sehe ah I see
 
@Ell well... raunchy is about the intent.
 
Jul 22 at 14:24, by Luc Danton
@R.MartinhoFernandes It’s like what @sehe is doing every evening, you tip tokens and ask requests etc.
called it
 
lel
@Ell I'm just happy I realized it. So I could "abort! abort!" and drop the recorded stream
And change my password again...
 
@sehe Ah.
Damn it.
I wasn't there.
I've heard all about it from Nab though.
 
I have graciously extended to you a cleaned up copy of the live stream (meaning I downloaded the recorded stream prior to deletion). Who knows how many copies exist on the web from that time window :)
 
1:06 AM
@sehe Nab is always recording.
With third-party software.
Especially on Mumble.
 
"third party software" - oooooo that's baaaad
@Borgleader the way to the exit please?
 
oooo she bad
 
@sehe On Mumble yeah, since @Ell won't be able to know when to mute himself.
 
o.O I missed stuff
 
@ʞɔᴉN oooo sie ist nicht gut.
 
1:10 AM
who's mom are we talking about?
 
@ʞɔᴉN @AnalPhabet's.
 
ah yes
 
I was thinking of killing him anyway for changing his name every 16ms.
 
Ell
night all! 9am lecture tomorrow :'(
 
@Nooble i will help
@Ell nn cupcake
 
1:14 AM
@ʞɔᴉN Introduce him to the life of a webdev.
Or trap him in a room with TurboC.
 
@Nooble meh he practically does it to himself anyways
 
@ʞɔᴉN He uses TurboC++?!
We must bring this to the high council.
Then he shall surely be put to death.
 
I have already been notified
 
@Ell I do have a hilariously cheap recipe, provided you like spicy things, noodles, beans, tomatoes and onions. It also appears to be something people that aren't me enjoy, so that's a sanity check you don't need to ask for.
 
and execution has been deemed a worthy punishment
@jaggedSpire a cupcake recipe?
 
1:16 AM
> The purpose of Hana is to merge the 3rd and the 4th quadrants of computation.
makes sense
 
@ʞɔᴉN haha! No.
 
@sehe Just follow the second star to the right and you'll sleep straight on till morning
 
fideos secos
 
mexican pasta?
 
1:19 AM
@ʞɔᴉN mexican spicy pasta
 
Johnny Depp won the dna lottery and I lost :P
 
@Borgleader Oh but he's not an excellent programmer like you.
 
@Nooble who needs programming skills when you got swag true.dat
 
@Nooble instead, he's a pirate
 
ayyy lmao
 
1:24 AM
@ʞɔᴉN Bill graner? is that you?
noone xcept maybe wilx would get this reference
 
ah whew
 
Programming in C when you're used to other languages.
http://i.imgur.com/xngOuTW.jpg
 
1:43 AM
Why can't I hold all these pointars
 
because you are not a three star programmer
 
YOU ALL ARE ROCK STARS☆☆☆
 
Woo 4AM
Getting better
 
user406009
YOU ALL ARE COCK STARS🐔🐔🐔
 
YEEE
cat woke up feeling like one
for u bb~~
 
1:51 AM
@ʞɔᴉN :D
 
@Rapptz A real tragedy since potato farming takes place outdoors.
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor Why the name change?
 
What name change?
 
user406009
The one from Telkitty to Gregor.
 
user406009
(/s)
 
2:02 AM
the difference in rep is negligible
 
> Hong Kong fireman's claim he was sexually assaulted by colleagues at station sparks probe
> A number of online pictures went viral yesterday with one showing a half-naked man pinned down in what appeared to be a changing room while a group of firemen, some in uniform, tried to insert whipped cream-like substance in his bottom.
whatttttttttttt what kind of sick mind does it take to waste whipped cream like that?
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor Well, it's not like it's going to go anywhere else. Where else do you think whip cream goes after you eat it?
 
Whipped cream paradise
 
user406009
Perhaps we should try a science experiment.
 
user406009
You can eat only whipcream for a month.
 
user406009
2:05 AM
See if anything comes out of you.
 
@LucDanton lol
 
2
A: Why hide the file extensions

Shog9The actual extensions are not able to be expressed in any normal character set; Unicode does not contain a range for the language of the Great Old Ones. Even if it were possible to represent these extensions accurately, attempting to read them has been known to drive men mad. Respected developer ...

 
But how to distinguish from the kilobytes???
 
PHP does brain damage, exhibit A
 
2:17 AM
TIL % needs to be escaped in crontabs this is retarded
 
@Mysticial there is no image macro that can express how I feel right now
 
Dammit, I was gonna post, "Have you tried going to the grocery store?" But he edited.
 
@sehe Nah, someone pinged him
 
if two URIs lead to the same thing, is it a biroute
 
It is a travesty
Should I insert actual knowledge into that thread
It'll probably be deleted
 
2:27 AM
@CatPlusPlus I think not. You need to use extensions if you don't hide them. Files just don't start out with no extensions. Every files starts out with extensions, and it seems like there is a way to hide them in links if you know how. If you don't hide them, and attempt to access a page without the file extension, it'll bring you to an invalid page. — frosty 51 secs ago
forget everything you know
 
wut
 
Hey guys
 
hey did you know that everything you know is a lie?
see above
 
Since FSINCOS is implemented in x86, where's the same function that returns maybe a std::pair<float, float>?
 
intrinsic but you won't get the std::pair part
 
2:31 AM
@jaggedSpire lol ignored
 
@ʞɔᴉN ;_;
 
Also who cares just return make_pair(sin(x), cos(x)) and let the cimpoler optimize
 
> cimpoler
 
@GregorMcGregor does it?
 
Well yes unless it's retarded
@CatPlusPlus I literally have no idea what you just said. — frosty 41 secs ago
 
2:34 AM
@VermillionAzure why not look at the assembly to find out?
 
@CatPlusPlus regret
 
@jaggedSpire I'm at work and I don't have time
 
Never regret shattering a worldview of a PHP developer
7
 
but where are the files
 
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
 
2:35 AM
in the platonic plane
with all the chairs
 
@jaggedSpire lol
 
It's interesting because I was just reading about x86 FPU operations and I found it really weird
 
The x87 FPU is fucked up to say the least.
It made a lot of sense back in the days.
Not anymore.
 
@VermillionAzure goo.gl/YStUu3
 
It's literally optimized for "easy of implementation". But not for performance.
You basically hard wire the execution units to the top of the stack.
No register file needed.
 
2:38 AM
@CatPlusPlus You know what, I'll just assume this is for styling purposes, and move on now. — frosty 4 mins ago
 
@Mysticial ughhhhhh
 
@Mysticial I'm not entirely convinced that it ever really did.
 
@GregorMcGregor Wow that's kind of freaky
 
What is?
 
@JerryCoffin it’s one better than x86
 
2:40 AM
@GregorMcGregor is sincos less accurate than the individual ones?
 
What? You said you want both sin and cos and the cimpoler has a primitive that can do both at once, why would it do them separately?
 
@GregorMcGregor No, I'm wondering if the assembly instruction has any loss of accuracy
 
@LucDanton Considering the cost (back then) it should have been a lot more than one better (and in fairness, if you did much floating point it really was a lot better than FP emulation).
 
TIL if you complain something is oversimplified after asking for a simplified version, Cat will eat you. Seems fair.
 
@VermillionAzure That's a primitive provided by the runtime, I'm not sure what it does. For the instruction ask @Mysticial
 
2:43 AM
@GregorMcGregor It's a laff
 
@GregorMcGregor At least if you're using the x87, you'd expect it to translate to the fsincos instruction.
 
are you hiding files in your files
 
it's all the rage in paris
 
No idea actually. Though I'd expect that these instructions be IEEE compliant with correct rounding to the size of the register. i.e. 64-bits of precision with the 80-bit registers.
 
Greatest sincos of humanity
 
2:44 AM
Why are you trying to hide extensions Cat
NSA is onto you
 
<insert witty remark about con-cat-enation and files here>
 
@Mysticial I can't find a clear answer... But it appears that they ran a test of some sort and it came within tolerance?... Hm...
 
Why are you interested in x87 anyway, might as well work on Babbage's machine
 
it keeps happening
 
I understand that you need to change some codes in htaccess for that to work, depending on whether htaccess already has the codes or not, for not needing to include extensions. By default, my web server forces us to include the extensions when we make new files. If we don't include them, a message pops up, saying invalid filename. That's why I thought we always need to include them. — frosty 36 secs ago
 
2:46 AM
slowpoke.jpeg
 
laffo
 
@CatPlusPlus Your comment. idgi
 
@GregorMcGregor Yes, but also no. I offered insightful commentary.
 
2:47 AM
@Mysticial What about it
 
What's it supposed to do. I don't have snakes in my computer.
 
It's an HTTP server
 
@GregorMcGregor Um... I believe x86 still uses that right?
 
oh
 
It responds with the path you requested to prove that it doesn't have to map to anything
 
2:47 AM
it serves extensionless files in a dastardly manner
 
x87's instruction set is a part of x86 and x86-64 now, right?
 
You don't really need to know Python to read it I don't think
 
@VermillionAzure Yes, but everyone hates it.
 
It's p straightforward
@VermillionAzure "now" in 1990 yes
 
I can’t stop reading that last comment.
 
2:49 AM
@CatPlusPlus Forgot to tag you. — frosty 2 mins ago
 
hilarious
 
@Cat, I think he forgot to tag you.
 
Oh I see, they like to use SSE anyways
...Wait a minute
could you possibly just use both at the same time?
 
Late Night Show with Cat Plus Plus explaining HTTP on meta
 
@VermillionAzure Yes you could. But there's rarely any benefit to doing so since they share execution resources.
 
2:51 AM
And Jeffflon didn't believe me when I said the "PHP is a great way to start webdev" is bullshit full of unlearning wrong things
 
@Mysticial Oh I figured that if you don't care about the precision as much, you could possibly execute using both pathways and then out-of-order might help things along
Same for x86 and x64 integral registers
Or does it not work that way?
 
@CatPlusPlus next time he shows up link him. Or maybe ping him now?
 
I don't really care for that discussion again
 
Everything really is a file.
 
fair enough
 
2:52 AM
@VermillionAzure Up until Skylake or so, I believe SSE and x87 FPU have used the same adder/multiplier. So if you don't need the x87 precision, there isn't much of a benefit to using that rather than 100% SSE.
 
@LucDanton but what about when it has an extension?!?!?
 
The case where it might get you something is if you don't have enough SSE registers.
 
laffo still not getting it
Well I'm bored now
 
@Mysticial ahhh QQ why don't we just sell FGPA's already and crunch the world
 
Time to go back to UI work
 
On Skylake, there's plenty of evidence to show that it has a separate execution unit just for the x87. But it probably shares the same execution port as the SSE/AVX unit, so you're still not gonna get any benefit from using it on there either if you don't need the precision.
 
@VermillionAzure price
also efficiency
 
@Mysticial Oh well.
There's gotta be a way to create new primitive operations though...
 
There's no point anyway. Even if you could run x87 and SSE in parallel without them interfering with each other, you won't have the decoder or retirement bandwidth to support them.
It's hard enough as it is just to keep the SSE/AVX units busy.
 
@Mysticial But do you know about producing algorithms that compute more than one value at once?
 
2:57 AM
@VermillionAzure All SSE or AVX.
 
@Mysticial No, that's not what I mean
 
THEN CLARIFY FOR FUCK SAKE
 
The chips aren't designed for anyone to use x87 anymore. It's there for backwards compatibility only.
 
I mean designing math-y code in such a way so that we can have one function to compute some sort of amalgam value that can be processed further to get different values or something like that, sort of like a half-adder.
 
AMD stopped giving a fuck about x87 FPU years ago. Intel still does because it lets them wave their dick for outdated FPU benchmarks like SuperPi.
 
2:58 AM
43 secs ago, by VermillionAzure
I mean designing math-y code in such a way so that we can have one function to compute some sort of amalgam value that can be processed further to get different values or something like that, sort of like a half-adder.
 
wut
 
I'll print this and frame it over my bed
For the days where I feel the world makes too much sense
 
@Mysticial Like, you know, we can compute carries and the intermediate sums in parallel because the circuit can be designed that way
 
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