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10:05 AM
@chmod711telkitty Where is it?
 
> Since the standard says that these should exist and even if we take the requirement that the implementation need not actually formally define them the way that's indicated in the standard, but only to behave as if it were (compare the requirement of the translation sequence) you still probably would need to have the distinction of the overloads since you're supposed to be able to take a pointer to them (and you need to be able to know what type that pointer should have).
What (context)
 
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@Morwenn suck my dick.
 
F***ck ... 'Right' track as marked on Apple map means bush bash
 
@Elyse Still waiting for you to come.
 
10:08 AM
that pun
2starornot2star
 
ITT @Elyse is frigid
 
I am going the long way :/ (back tracking)
 
Keep us updated
 
@chmod711telkitty Back as "with a backpack"? Coz to me backtracking is a CS technique
 
10:10 AM
@Elyse Ok, that one was almost a bit ceepy ._.
 
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-1 not enough rebecca
 
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Why would I confuse Boost with Rebecca
when I can confuse it with James?
 
Tony The Lion kicks Elyse for chat room violations
 
10:13 AM
Boost.Confusion
 
Dis moi oui, Andy
 
oui
 
@chmod711telkitty ITT telkitty goes bushwacking Prolog-style
 
@Rerito Haha xD
 
@Morwenn Can't help hearing that in my head when @AndyProwl says something here
 
10:15 AM
lol
 
@Rerito Seriously? That must be tough.
 
@Morwenn Yeah, it's annoying
 
IIT Andy's annoying without even trying.
 
talent, baby
 
@AlexM. Early bird discount for JUCE summit expires in a few hours FYI
@Elyse :D
 
10:17 AM
@OMGtechy I cannot come to the juce summit I told you already D:
 
#cry
You'll be in my thoughts <3
Do you go to any dev events at all?
 
TIL you can make surveys on twatter
 
Wha?
 
First twitter survey, which C++ Standard do you use? (twitter lets me only add two options...)
 
@OMGtechy nope
 
10:19 AM
Oh aha, we should xD @AndyProwl
Suggestions?
 
not too many to go to from Romania without company support and so far I haven't had the opportunity
 
I have access to the twitter account so ...
@AlexM. You should sometime, it's fun :D CppCon was a great excuse to go to Bellevue and later Seattle too
 
@AndyProwl Here, share my burden!
 
yea pretty expensive to pay for Seattle on my own :P
not to mention CppCon
 
@Rerito man I had no idea
I'm so sorry
 
10:22 AM
@AlexM. yeah, I probably wouldn't have gone for a long time if they hadn't have paid for it. Most people there go because their company paid for it.
 
@AndyProwl Hopefully I spread the "disease" :p
 
@Rerito std::andy
 
@AndyProwl rerito : std::vector<andy>
 
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@OMGtechy who are you?
 
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help
 
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10:24 AM
I'm foncuzzled.
 
@Elyse I am life.
 
I can't stop listening to Divine Moments of Truth. That's just too good.
 
I used to hang around here a fair bit, became very busy, now I lurk a little. @Elyse
Starting to talk again
 
@OMGtechy You can reply to specific messages by using the arrow icon on the right
 
I know.
 
10:25 AM
then why don't you use it?
mobile?
 
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lol, you can withdraw access to your twitter account for twitter web client
 
When it's the last message sent by that person, I don't bother typically :)
 
nvm
 
I see
 
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but it doesn't seem to have any effect
 
10:26 AM
It's super effective
OMGtechy fainted
 
@OMGtechy That's terrible, because then you can't follow it (with, like, a click).
 
that's how I see when I don't wear contact lenses
 
@Griwes it highlights it for me regardless
 
jesus
 
10:28 AM
@OMGtechy yeah, but if it's not within a page height it won't help
 
@chmod711telkitty What's that?
 
true
 
@Rerito UFOs of course. Can't you see the truth?!
 
Rapture 2015.
 
@Morwenn Hmmm, no i don't :)
 
10:32 AM
Hum, seems that EWG voted to remove the whole table of defaults values for empty parameter packs for fold expressions.
 
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it's october
 
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octoberfist
 
403 Forbidden
 
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Xeo
@StackedCrooked I just noticed a typo - "did" instead of "didn't"
eternal shame on the starboard!
 
10:41 AM
the final example here is basically ADL, right?
 
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ADL must die.
 
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Type class master race.
 
@Lalaland Good question. I don't know enough about VLAs to give a solid answer :(
 
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woo
 
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my Haskell package got 256 downloads
 
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10:43 AM
nice round number
 
@Elyse it's bitty
 
This Batcher's odd-even merge is driving me crazy.
 
10:56 AM
@thecoshman Any unqualified function call can trigger ADL.
 
Think I need to write an extension that kills the WPF designer on rebuild.
 
@Xeo maybe he did indeed realize it
 
@Morwenn does that mean empty packs won't be supported? Or the defaults are unspecified?
 
@melak47 Unary fold expressions over an empty pack will always be ill-formed.
 
@Morwenn zero length packs only work with binary operators anyway...
 
11:02 AM
@melak47 Yeah, but you could write (Args + ...) and the result would be 0 when Args is empty. With the change, it will be ill-formed.
 
@Morwenn but why
 
Because why the fuck would you always want 0?
 
what
 
it's not a completely unreasonable default for +
 
Now, imagine you use operator+ to concatenate vectors. Suddenly, Args is empty and you get 0 instead of an empty vector.
 
11:05 AM
Fair point.
 
And, lol, you also overloaded vector<T>::operator=(T value) to assign value to every element of the vector.
 
@melak47 Because 0 isn't the neutral element of all monoids written with +?
@melak47 Why 0? Why not... std::string{}?
 
Now, if you do vec = (Args + ...); you get a vector full of 0 instead of an empty vector.
 
@Griwes because 0 is a reasonable default, and now you always have to check against zero length, which makes fold expressions more annoying
 
Anyway, if you want 0, just type (Args + ... + 0) and you're done with it.
 
11:07 AM
@Morwenn operator = you mean?
that doesn't seem a very sensible overload
 
@AndyProwl I agree, but I have seen it in the wild.
 
@melak47 No, just spell the default explicitly.
 
also how can they overload operator = for an std type?
 
Anyway, I'm pretty it would have caused silent errors from time to time. Probably hours of debugging.
 
0 + ... + args if you want nullary, ... + args if you want to disallow nullary, ???, profit
 
11:08 AM
@AndyProwl I never said vector was and std:: type.
 
@Griwes nobody told me that that wasn't gonna be ill-formed, too :D
 
@Morwenn Like, no need to boast about your looks :P
 
@melak47 ...
 
@AndyProwl Oh my, I dropped the word so hard ._____.
 
@Morwenn lol
 
11:09 AM
@Griwes ... is still gonna be an empty pack, so
 
@melak47 ......
 
@melak47 That’s not how it works :v
The pack is args.
 
whatever, not like any compiler I use will have this feature before 2077 anyway :p
 
@melak47 It’s been months already.
 
I wanted to preserve the defaults for operator, and maybe for operator&& and operator|| but it seems that EWG voted to remove them all.
 
11:10 AM
@LucDanton don't think MSVC or GCC 4.1.2 will adopt it anytime soon ;)
 
MSVC won't take much to implement it IMO
 
The most annoying thing with fold expressions is that you need actual binary operators to work :P
 
it will likely have bugs though
 
fold{l,r} for function objects will still be needed
 
inb4 library solution is adopted
 
11:13 AM
However I wonder what's the future of MSVC's front-end if they're going to support Clang anyway
Maybe they plan to be competitive
That would be a good thing
 
@AndyProwl b-but only for mobile!!1!
 
@Griwes I've got a library which handles that.
 
@melak47 I don't think so
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl they said they'd continue developing it because of extensions and other stuff
 
11:14 AM
@Morwenn yeah, fold{l,r} is like, 20 lines total?
 
@Griwes I don't know, the library was meant to further explore fold functions returning identity elements for a given function/type pair to prove that it was a bad idea.
 
Hey guys
 
@Xeo Indeed, but maybe they don't count with most people steering away from MSVC's front-end because Clang is just better. I'd expect that to happen, which would mean they'll keep maintaining a tool few people use. ICBW
 
Xeo
@Griwes there's some meh-ness with that though, wrt temporaries, lifetimes and moves
 
So there are many more lines for identity elements.
 
11:16 AM
Would checked exceptions prevent that performance overhead everybody hates about C++ exceptions?
 
everybody who?
 
@Xeo u no liek perfect storing?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton I think we discussed my implementation before
 
@melak47 :D
 
Luc is still here?
 
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11:17 AM
Java > C++
 
I love de Funes, but he's always acting the same way
 
@Xeo For variadic cases I have this and I just trust the compiler to do The Right Thing. :D
 
Luuuc, go to dagobah
 
well, he was
 
@AndyProwl Doesn't matter
 
11:18 AM
I'm not part of that everybody
 
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@Jefffrey Dagobert Duck
 
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Dagobertducktaks sucks.
 
@AndyProwl Interesting
I've taken notes about it
 
@Xeo I might be missing some decltype(auto) action there, but eh.
 
@Jefffrey <dick_mode>Taken</dick_mode>
 
11:20 AM
Thanks
Very helpful
 
#SOreadytohelp
 
lol
 
Xeo
Jun 3 at 21:55, by Xeo
no choice but to perfect-store, it seems
I remembered right
 
ayy
 
Xeo
Oh man, that transcript reminds me of my hobby project thingy... haven't worked on it for a while
man, my activity in here certainly has died down, eh. I'm at an average of 20 messages per day now.
 
11:31 AM
@Xeo It’s okay I still love you
 
Xeo
<3
wait wait
there we go
 
Xeo
11:42 AM
> Please wait while IntelliSense and browing information are updated...
gaaaaah
 
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yummy
 
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grape juice
 
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GJ
 
@Nooble reopened
@Elyse inb4 flag
@Nooble clever
 
@Xeo Hehehehehe.
 

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