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12:00 AM
Random guy on a board with his dog .. Saw this while kayaking.
 
I thought Telkitty left the Lounge of her own volition yesterday?
 
ah, but no one can leave the lounge
you try, and even stay away for a while, but you will never leave
@ScottW I know I can't stay away from here
I haven't tried because I know how it will end: in Rebecca Black videos
 
Ell
Alcoholic drinks, y u so calorific
 
@Ell You can always drink pure alcohol, bby.
 
@Ell I mixed kahlua, dried apricot, cinnamon, and greek yogurt yesterday. It was delicious. :)
 
12:06 AM
@jaggedSpire Can I come over to try that? :o
 
@Morwenn sure, but it might be more expedient to get some yourself
how far are you from Saint Louis?
 
@jaggedSpire I'm too lazy to do stuff by myself.
 
@Morwenn drat
 
Ell
Even pure Ethanol is calrifiix
 
@jaggedSpire ~1000km
 
Ell
12:09 AM
It DM anyway
 
@Ell truly, your life is a wretched struggle.
 
Ell
Im already pissed
 
@Morwenn I think it might be more expedient to make your own. :P
 
I guess I'll wait then.
And go to sleep for now.
Today in GCC mailing list:
> Adult Diapers at Discount Prices
 
user406009
@Morwenn Can you link? I can't seem to find it.
 
12:14 AM
Hilarious. "Only hands small!"
 
@nooble Mumble!!! NOW!!! :)
 
@sehe Those guys are great :D
 
user406009
@Morwenn Oh, one of the sucky gcc mailing lists.
 
user406009
So what?
 
12:21 AM
So what now?
 
Ell
@ScottW <3
 
But. Will it blend?
 
Ell
@tony I had to let the "dog" in
 
Ell
12:27 AM
And now I have to socialise with him :L
 
4 hours ago, by sehe
Puppy. Go home
 
@ScottW I was eating food damnit
 
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3
 
@Borgleader Can you mumble now?
 
12:31 AM
I have to install it
 
@JerryCoffin satisfying
@Borgleader <3
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
Shit
Not what I was expecting to get copy-pasted
Sigh
 
@AndyProwl dont tell me those are keywords
 
@Borg haven't checked, but I don't think they can be anything else
 
user406009
12:34 AM
@AndyProwl They could make them context dependent.
 
user406009
So that you can only use them in specially marked coroutine functions or something.
 
@AndyProwl ffs T_T
 
They could be contextual maybe, but I don't see how
Coroutine functions are not marked in any special way
 
user406009
Oh NVM then.
 
Well the return type needs to satisfy certain requirements tbh
Anyway I think they are at least contextual keywords
 
12:36 AM
where did i put my microphone
 
user406009
Cue the hysterics about "breaking old C++ code".
 
@TonyTheLion Not so much so for the hippie. He had to wait a while for satisfaction.
 
cock_return, cock_await, cock_yield
 
user406009
@AndyProwl THEYRE COMING FOR OUR VARIABLE NAMES!!!!!!!!!!
 
@AndyProwl I take back anything I may have said about __yield_value and __await :(
 
user406009
12:38 AM
First they came for co_return, co_await and co_yield.
 
@sehe do you stream still sometimes?
 
@AndyProwl He may return, but he will never yield
 
user406009
Next thing you know, they will be taking glorious names like "foo" away from us!
 
@Lalaland no way, I'm never going to rename my variables like, ever. Much better to get shitty keywords, right?
 
yield and await I maybe get. but why return?
 
12:39 AM
@Borgleader yes. You can see livecoding.tv/sehe/videos
In fact I received a livecoding.tv t-shirt today.
 
@sehe :O they added time staps
 
stahps
It arrived at my former workplace - just in time for my belated farewell dinner today
 
@melak I would have picked await, return, and return yield (or yield_return or whatever but not this)
 
Hehe. I left out an essential word
 
@sehe Does it fit?
 
user406009
12:41 AM
I can sorta understand those ones if they have to be keywords.
 
user406009
Does anyone know for sure if those are going to be new keywords?
 
@ElimGarak haven't tried it on. But looks like it will
 
user406009
Or are they going to play contextual games?
 
God The committee doesn't roll dice play games
 
user406009
I have to say. I used to think JavaScript was stupid for reserving the keyword class.
 
12:42 AM
 
user406009
But I am now forced to admit that they were on the right track.
 
I never went to keyword class
 
Fallout 4 is complete as of October 23rd. (62 years before the Great War) Missed my dates.
 
@ElimGarak keep calm and check your hype :)
 
user406009
Did they release the location for Fallout 4 yet?
 
12:43 AM
@Lalaland The post says nothing but we'll learn it soon
 
@Lalaland Boston, MA
 
Anyways keyword or not keyword does not make a huge difference to me: they're ugly anyways
 
@Lalaland Not at all. Fortran proves that you don't have to reserve anything.
 
@AndyProwl there are far uglier things in the language.
 
Agreed
 
12:45 AM
I find myself wanting to write all functions as poly lambdas ... :(
Except when decltypes get required...
 
They could have picked return2, yield3 and await4
 
That would clash with name mangling schemes here and there
 
@AndyProwl lol
and I suppose generators must be named generator0, and resumable functions foo1?
 
Yeah, prefixed with underscore just to be safe
In fact it's generat0r
Backwards compassion
 
1:02 AM
Networking is all about layers of abstraction.
Meanwhile in UDP RFC:
> This protocol assumes that the Internet Protocol is used as the underlying protocol
First paragraph.
:D
 
☐ pillows ☑ no pillows
 
☐ unfluffed ☑ fluffed
 
☑ over ☐ used
 
that dog's parents were killed by a pillow, you monsters
 
@jaggedSpire All rumour and pillow-talk.
 
☑ DirectX 12 ☐ OpenGL 4.5 ☐ Metal ☐ Vulkan ☐ GNM ☐ DirectX 11.3
 
> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming
> ...
> PSYC 4410: Obsessions of the Programmer Mind
> Identify and understand tangential topics that software developers frequently fixate on: code formatting, taxonomy, type systems, splitting projects into too many files. Includes detailed study of knee-jerk criticism when exposed to unfamiliar systems.
 
Those symbols are barely distinguishable on mobile
 
Computer Science Courses that Don't Exist, But Should http://prog21.dadgum.com/210.html
 
That's an orthogonal issue
 
1:15 AM
Stupid onebox failing
 
You can just edit and repost the original one
Even without changes
 
It times out sometimes and posts as plain text.
 
@AndyProwl I know this. But if you check for a bit, you'll notice I can do no such thing
 
Chat is Very Well Coded, Cat would say
@sehe Why not?
 
Time, mate. Not enough of it. Or too much of it, actually
 
1:17 AM
Isn't the limit like 3 minutes?
 
Yes. Somewhat "like" 3 minutes
A.k.a. 2 minutes
 
:D
 
That' not like 3 minutes at all you liar
 
Your words
 
1:18 AM
but it's like 3 minutes in the sense that it's also a time span
 
I disagree wholeheartedly and this is totally the reason why I think I'm going to sleep
 
@AndyProwl Night, bby
Lounge<C++> #SOnotreadytohelp
 
@TonyTheLion wha
I'm upstate :P
 
1:34 AM
@Nooble in Albany?
 
I thought Nooble was closer to Queens?
 
@ElimGarak Botany :D
 
Ell
herro
 
Mar 12 '13 at 19:03, by Cat Plus Plus
We're officially the best room ever
 
@jaggedSpire Yeah.
@ThePhD I do live in Queens.
 
1:40 AM
@Nooble Wheeereeee in Albany?
 
And the day has come, Blue Bloods are doing an episode about SJWs.
 
user406009
For or against?
 
What was that oldstyle resolution agai?
640 x 480?
I think that was what it was...
 
user406009
Yep, that's the one.
 
user406009
Although nowadays, I am starting to consider 1280 by 720 oldschool.
 
user406009
1:50 AM
Oh god, this is a POS codebase. Note to self: Do not expect quality code from academia research projects.
 
@Lalaland you're learning this now?
:P
 
user406009
Well, to be fair, they have very different priorities than industry projects.
 
user406009
It's only natural to expect people to act according to their interests.
 
user406009
Still, the "let's return values through singletons" get a little annoying.
 
yep
 
1:55 AM
@Lalaland People do that?
 
user406009
Yes.
 
user406009
Well, I mean it works.
 
user406009
I guess it's sorta like gamedev.
 
lol
Anyway, I gotta go sleep. I need refreshing for Saturday soccer and more rebecca links.
 
@Nooble I accidentally bought another keyboard
 
Ell
2:01 AM
Must zta awake as long and possible
 
@nick oh no
 
That's... really weird
Python's processing is just fine up to ~300 particles
THen beyond that, suddenly the timing loop jumps from ~2.40ms to like 50 ms
.... Interpreted language VMs are hard to understand. =/
 
you are making a particle system?
 
@VermillionAzure Told you :) Glad to hear that
 
@ThePhD probably you hit a threshold for switching to some other form of handling
 
2:09 AM
@ThePhD small array/loop/we optimization? :D
 
SCO Small Cock Optimization
 
I compensate by driving a large truck
 
user406009
Sounds like the garbage collector isn't working quite correctly.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Is it possible that you have cycles in your ownership?
 
user406009
2:14 AM
Python's GC only works well when there are no cycles.
 
user406009
(It internal tries to do reference counting, but switches to a dog slow actual GC if there are too many cycles)
 
>be a gc
>cant handle cycles
 
user406009
Well, shared_ptr can't handle cycles either.
 
user406009
And python will collect the cycles. It just has to run a dog slow collector.
 
user406009
It's sorta the worst of both worlds. At least with pure reference counting you get deterministic destruction and pure GC gets you speedy allocation and deallocation.
 
user406009
2:17 AM
Instead, python's mix gives you nothing.
 
shared_ptr is not a GC
 
user406009
It is garbage collection.
 
user406009
It's reference counting.
 
It isn't
 
user406009
Well, that comes down to the very particulars of terminology.
 
2:21 AM
Well, nobody has ever talked of shared_ptr as a form of GC
 
@nick Whoa really?
Which?
 
Should I go swim
 
@GregorMcGregor no
 
@Lalaland Technically, reference counting is a form of garbage collection (but it's not tracing collection). In the other direction, "real" tracing garbage collection is essentially obsolete, long-since replaced by scavenging.
 
nobble are you trying to get me fat
 
user406009
2:23 AM
What's the technical difference between "scavenging" and tracing GC?
 
@GregorMcGregor Maybe. Don't you want to be a true American?
 
@Nooble Pls no clichés I AM american
2
 
@GregorMcGregor Yes and I'm the pope
 
nice to meet you
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Are you referring to the difference between collectors that copy vs collectors that compact?
 
2:38 AM
AFAIK, "scavenging GC" isn't a term.
While, OTOH, "tracing" GCs is what is still generally being used for GC'd languages.
 
@Nooble another HHKB ._.
 
@nick Fucking.
 
a white Type-S model
 
Give me one.
 
@nick good job
 
2:49 AM
Agh I can't find my mic.
 
I saw it on ebay and I placed a bid, wasn't even serious
i cant afford this shit man somebody help me
 
@nick stop it you can't afford this shit man
 
@jaggedSpire thank you!!!
 
@jaggedSpire I think you need a mech.
 
@nick 's gonna wreck your savings like a truck through a bus stop
 
2:51 AM
Come on look how pretty it is.
 
but wha tis it
 
user406009
Yeah, the desk is quite nice.
 
what r those
 
@melak47 it's a mechanical kb
 
@jaggedSpire no the white thing :p
 
2:52 AM
@nick My hammer.
 
user406009
@melak47 It's a photo.
 
@melak47 Apple's magic mouse I think.
 
Not buckling springs = not interested. ;)
 
user406009
The white thing is a touchpad.
 
Not my photo.
 
2:52 AM
I like my wacom more
because I already have it
 
@Lalaland why...why would you willingy use a touchpad, on a desktop setup :S
 
it's made of pure ivory
 
@nick Hey have you ever cleaned your HHKB?
 
user406009
@melak47 Because you are so used to using a touchpad that you have grown to depend on it.
 
@melak47 apple's touchpad is quite excellent
 
2:53 AM
Touchpads are pretty nice, you don't have to move your hands to use them.
 
user406009
Stockholm syndrome is a bitch.
 
Mice are better.
Right @jaggedSpire
 
@Nooble depends on the application
 
seriously the gestures seem like a gimmick but they work beautifully and save a HUGE amount of time
 
cough I mean yes
 
2:54 AM
@jaggedSpire That's what I thought.
 
user406009
I use keyboard shortcuts and mouse buttons for what most of those gestures do.
 
@Nooble I wipe it off from time to time but it never looks dirty
 
@nick I mean on the inside.
Well, under the keycaps.
 
user406009
Rule #1: Never eat on a keyboard.
 
Around the switches.
@Lalaland Or above.
Hooollddd on.
 
2:55 AM
@Lalaland Rule #2: Never eat what's in a keyboard.
 
Aren't you the one with the really messy keyboard? @Lalaland
 
@Nooble touchpad < mouse < drawing tablet for motor control, but sometimes you don't want the sensing device to register your hand's shaking.
 
@Nooble no, I'd have to remove every keycap
 
user406009
I have the dusty one.
 
user406009
Dusty != messy
 
2:56 AM
@nick Haha.
Took me 5 minutes to take 'em all off.
 
@Lalaland just so long as it's not one of those nasty boards where the keys stick as you press down
 
@nick Some MX browns do that when they're not worn yet.
Also MX blues.
 
@nick you prefer your fingers to stick to the keys? :)
 
@Nooble not if they were properly lubricated, but you shouldn't need to do this yourself
@melak47 yeah that's how I hit 110wpm
 
@nick I dunno. The springs on the brown are pretty light and then you have the manufacturing tolerances on plastic.
 
3:00 AM
it would drive me insane if I had one or two keys that constantly got stuck
 
@nick Happened to my K key. Just had to hit it a few hundred times.
 
would use it as an excuse to buy another keyboard probably
and default on my car payments
@Nooble I'd be so mad. Do other pok3r owners have similar issues?
 
@nick Not that I've heard.
I may have just gotten that one bad switch.
Poor me.
Although it's not like it's a forever thing. It's only a temporary annoyance, then it evolves into a normal switch.
 
got 99 problems but a switch ain't one
lube with white lithium grease it cannot fail
 
@nick Lies. You have 59 problems in your HHKB.
I heard the HHKB is incredibly light.
 
3:06 AM
I think I might sell my Ducky cuz it's not getting any use right now
 
You mean give it away.
Ducky build quality is superb.
 
it's solid as hell. top plate is 5mm aluminum with a steel backplate
 
Their website though.
They need to hire you, clearly.
 
it's bad but not the worst
 
What's worse?
 
user406009
3:14 AM
Websites which use <blink> and <marque>.
 
hory shet cat's game was released
@Lalaland puke
 
@nick How much did the type S cost
On eBay?
 
looks like anywhere from $330-350 for a new one, mine was 260 used
 
@nick Coulda bought 2 Pok3rs.
 
o well
 
3:28 AM
One for you one for me.
 
of course
decided to start on another project before i finish my portfolio thing
 
3:45 AM
@nick lmao
So, what have you done? README and LICENSE?
 
burnt
 
Sizzle.
 
At the stake.
 
Yeah
 
@ThePhD heeeey
 
3:51 AM
I don't fucking get this stupid bullshit.
 
you're alive again
 
Python is stupid.
Literally 299 -> 300 elements, WHO HEY BUDDY YOU CAN'T BE GOING FAST ANYMORE
3 MILLISECONDS? NAH MAN 45.
I'm probably overspilling some stupid internal limit, but it doesn't make sense because I'm caching all of my lists and reusing them while also not even allocating any new memory.
This is horseshit. What is python doing?
 
causing you emotional pain
 
Literally, as I watch the simulation spasm from 299 to 300 as particles are removed and one it added again,
It just VIOLENTLY jumps to 45 ms
after being 2.x or 0.x or 3.x or 1.x ms
And if I keep it at or above 300, it stays at its shitty 45 ms and then degrades linearly.
 
just make it always take 45ms with a timer. Python has those, right?
then it won't be like getting slapped in the face with a herring, at least
 
3:56 AM
@Nooble nah but I'm doing that right now
so productive
@ThePhD why are you not using javascript?
That's the real question here
 
Whatever
 

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