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1:00 PM
But that must be it, right?
@Rerito Haskell
 
@wilx lol, that -3 answer.
 
The syntax reminds me my old caml days
 
@wilx I was mostly joking, although surfing Facebook and working on your own projects are two different things.
 
@FredOverflow :retab should fix it.
 
I would definitely not be happy if an employee was working on his job-unrelated blog on my time. If he needs time to relax then read the news or have a smoke break or something but that's a bit much.
 
1:01 PM
@Rerito Haskell is weird in that it flips the traditional meanings of colons; 1::2::3::[] : int list becomes 1:2:3:[] :: List Int.
 
Haskell /ˈhæskəl/ is a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing. It is named after logician Haskell Curry. == History == Following the release of Miranda by Research Software Ltd, in 1985, interest in lazy functional languages grew: by 1987, more than a dozen non-strict, purely functional programming languages existed. Of these, Miranda was the most widely used, but was proprietary software. At the conference on Functional Programming Languages and Computer Architecture (FPCA '87) in Portland, Oregon, a meeting was...
> Influenced by Clean,[3] FP,[3] Gofer,[3] Hope and Hope+,[3] Id,[3] ISWIM,[3] KRC,[3] Lisp,[3] Miranda,[3] ML and Standard ML,[3] Orwell, SASL,[3] SISAL,[3] Scheme[3]
 
You can't just do whatever the fuck you like at work
 
I'd quit if someone tried to stop me from reading LRiO's messages at work
 
@LucDanton Why did they do that? Who is responsible?
Who should we program the terminator to kill?
 
@LucDanton I guess the idea is to make the more frequently used requires less typing and less visual clutter.
 
1:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmmm if it's done in a break-like timeline that's exactly as ok as any other kind of break
 
@FredOverflow Um there might be a folklore 'explanation' but I don’t recall.
 
It's really confusing when you program in Scala and Haskell.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What do you think is the important difference?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well it’s the wrong idea then.
 
well technically I'm on lunch for another 10 minutes or so so right now I am doing whatever the fuck I want at work
 
1:04 PM
And there is stuff that is borderline
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like the double colon. It looks reassuring.
It tells me everything is going to be fine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you're going to be practical and produce shit, produce my shit. There's also a principle there. You're being paid to do something for me, not for you. I (as a manager, say) acknowledge that you are most productive when allowed some leniency and to relax and get in the zone during the day when you are not feeling creative. But if you are feeling creative, you work for me, not for you.
 
You take a "mental break" to work on something that is apparently unrelated to your concrete work and end up using it afterwards
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What about reading a book?
What about reading a book if I'm a book critic in my spare time?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what if there's nothing to produce for your boss atm?
 
1:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you want to read a book on the job read a programming book and enhance your knowledge in some way that will benefit the company.
 
going home and getting paid is the same as staying there and doing what you were going to do at home
and get paid
 
@AlexM. Then your boss is a moron and I guess DWTFYWT.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wait, reading the news is ok, but reading a book isn't?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ok, so you're comparing real workplaces to some idealized perfect workplaces
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think there's a difference between opening a BBC News tab and skimming it for five minutes, and sitting down and engaging your mind so that it delves into the world of a piece of fiction. One is a very fleeting experience; the other, I think, is not.
 
1:06 PM
where nobody is a moron
there's always work
etc. etc.
 
@AlexM. I've never been in a workplace at a time where there was literally nothing I could do within the scope of my job. Ever. Have you?
 
yup
 
if there are no features needed
 
A company with too many people and not enough work has fucked up quite badly
 
1:07 PM
and nobody needs support
I just wait
 
> where nobody is a moron
 
such a place exists?
 
I used to dislike single colon for type annotations, as it looks too light. I don’t really feel like that anymore, I’m not sure why. I think scoped annotations look too heavy i.e. foo x (y::Foo) z = ….
 
@TonyTheLion that's the point
they don't exist
 
1:08 PM
@LucDanton this
 
And scoped annotations are really tempting when higher ranked stuff is involved. E.g. when prototyping with placeholders.
 
@TonyTheLion an empty room?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, it's called "home" :p
 
@Rerito lol
 
I'm... alone in the office.
It's 2pm o_O
This usually happens after 6pm, not 2pm.
 
1:12 PM
it's the pizza party you haven't been invited to
 
Everyone's either sick or in a business trip.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It is the same thing. It is not doing your work at the moment.
 
Fuck - it's snowing here. It's snowing more heavily than the SO collection of linked-list questions with no debugging.
 
> Tsukimonogatari. That was Araragi Koyomi bathed together with his sister. No incest tho.
 
@MartinJames hahaha
 
1:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes my supervisor had a set of speakers hidden under his desk. he told me he'd use them when working OT after everyone had left. so crank up some music :p
 
@wilx It is not the same thing. You're not reading what I am writing.
 
@MartinJames Sunny here.
Maybe the skies will stay clear until the weekend so I can go do some stargazing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :|
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am reading it and I disagree. From the POV of the employer it is the same thing, i.e., not doing your job at the moment.
 
"Not working" is acceptable only when doing so is in fact beneficial to your work-related productivity. It is not reasonable to take that to levels (such as moving to a sofa and starting to read a book) beyond a fairly minimally-involved activity satisfying that criterion (such as surfing Facebook for a few minutes or going for a wee).
 
1:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have the willpower to keep working in such environment? I do not. :)
 
@wilx You're obviously not reading it, or you're misunderstanding it. You don't seem to be disagreeing with my argument so much as entirely ignoring the fact that I wrote it..
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how do you feel about all the silicon valley places that have rec rooms, lounges, arcades, designated sleeping areas etc?
 
I think LRiO is talking about moral issues here
i.e. working on your own project at work
is like cheating on your employer
wooo
I got it
 
@wilx Also in the original context of working on your blog, there is an ethical situation where you are producing tangible value for yourself rather than for your company. If you're going to produce tangible value during the working day, do it for your company.
 
@AlexM.: Define "own project."
 
1:17 PM
Which is entirely separate from reading a book or surfing Facebook, of course.
@Pris It's an interesting experiment. Naturally it's ethical to take advantage of those facilities if they're there. Your employer has explicitly said he or she wants you to do so. In general I don't think much of these hipster US startup cultures though.
 
@wilx I don't need to define anything for you m8
 
@AlexM. Not exactly. It's a matter of mindset. If you focus too deeply on something you'll need some time (too much!) to get back in the required mindset for your work
 
@wilx I'm on your side here
show me some love
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What if just doing something else than work, i.e., the blog, makes you happier and thus makes your work productivity better? Does it matter that in course of that you have produced a tangible value for yourself?
 
It's brain context switching :p
 
1:19 PM
btw, we can ask this on workplace.se
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not really anything hipster and startupish about facebook, google, microsoft, etc.
 
"What is the maximum level of extra-work activities one can do a work?"
and see if there's such a thing
and if a difference between browsing pics on 9gag and jumping around your desk exists in terms of productivity
 
I love how LRIO complains about others not doing work while at work, yet he spends a lot of time in the Lounge during work hours
15
 
@AlexM. why put a limit on it so long as you actively do the work you're assigned and meet all the requirements set out for you?
 
I often do small things on log4cplus and other non-job coding when I am waiting for something job related to happen/finish. I do not think it is wrong. I would not be any more productive if I did not do it and did nothing or browsed Facebook while waiting instead.
 
1:21 PM
@Pris that's what I'm saying here
 
@Pris I don't believe Microsoft has all that jazz. Whereas Google and Facebook basically define hipster although granted they're not exactly "start-ups" any more. But they used to be!
@wilx I can't quite tell whether you're playing devil's advocate or being deliberately obtuse or genuinely don't see the ethical problem working on your own shit while someone else is paying you to work on theirs.
 
I'll keep a list of every time LRiO compared real world situations with idealized perfect situations, to call them bad
 
what's the point in saying that wilx is not a perfectly ethical employee
what's the point in saying the world isn't perfect
every dumbass knows that
not everything needs to be perfect
 
@TonyTheLion By and large, I refuse to Lounge during work hours (lunch right now)
 
1:27 PM
@TonyTheLion I already noted the irony there.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think it would be unethical to work on something that gives you some other income on company time. But doing coding on your stuff instead of reading or browsing Facebook is no difference to me. I see no ethical problem there. Honestly, no devil's advocate, I really mean it.
 
Though chatting in the Lounge is not "producing work for my own benefit", and the difference between the two is entirely my point.
@wilx So it's only unethical if there's money involved?
@AlexM. I haven't compared anything with anything. Nor have I identified any "idealized perfect situation". What are you talking about?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I think.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're not doing it explicitly
 
1:29 PM
@AlexM. I'm not doing it at all
 
you're asking wilx to abandon something he enjoys doing that does not affect his work just to be "ethical"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Conflict of interest?
 
@AlexM. I'm not asking wilx to do anything!
@wilx Why is it only a conflict of interest when money is involved?
There are other forms of "currency", such as SO rep points and whatever you get from having lots of viewers on your blog. Street cred. It doesn't have to be strictly financial gain for it to be gain.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it looks to me like you're trying to make him understand how bad what he's doing is
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit microsoft has recreation/etc in its workplace
 
1:30 PM
@AlexM. I wasn't even aware he does it.
 
 
@AlexM. I was talking to Bartek and now we are having a conversation in general terms.
@Pris ok
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It is always a conflict of interest, even if you are just reading a book, I think. But the severity of it is beyond the limits I would impose on myself if money profit is involved.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Happens when you talk to Bartek :P
 
@Pris We have table football here.
I never play that though.
 
1:32 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ok, so it's not an argument
 
I'd rather code a bit here and there than play table football.
 
@AlexM. No....?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i doubt they always had that stuff though, I think adding such things is mostly following the trends of the other big SV companies. I've even read (though I can't remember where) that potential hires explicitly ask for stuff like recreational activities to blow off steam at work or whatever
 
@Pris we have some consoles and a TV
no weird anime games
 
1:32 PM
which is bad
oh and a pool table
never used it unfortunately
I'd rather not take a break and go home earlier
in fact I did this for the last 7 months
 
my ideal work place would have a god tier endless coffee machine / eatery where you can grab coffee
 
good coffee
 
the coffee was free at my previous workplace
not here though
 
when I'm in the office, I have to go across the road for good coffee
:(
 
every place ive worked at has had a tim hortons either inside the building or like, 5 mins away
 
1:35 PM
STOP THAT. I don't have ANY coffee. No good coffee. No bad coffee. Just tea-bags. No coffee. I want to die soon.
 
but thats not 'god tier' coffee, its just 'acceptable' coffee
 
@MartinJames go to store, buy coffee, profit
 
@TonyTheLion The store is 6km away. My car, when I can catch a glimpse of it, looks like a snow sculpture.
 
oh shoot
 
@MartinJames Tea is actually better for your health (read that with Rob Lowe's voice)
 
1:37 PM
no snow here :(
 
We have coffee machines as well.
I guess CA Technologies is awesome then. :)
 
We have instant coffee
ewwwww
> CA Technologies posted $4.4 billion in revenue for fiscal year 2010
nice
 
you should all post pictures of your workplaces
 
nope
google doesn't need to know that
@Pris nice workplace
 
I don't think so.
@Pris Where is the pile of empty pizza boxes?
 
1:40 PM
In the trash, where they belong
 
@TonyTheLion thats a microsoft office, im a jobless bum
 
@Pris wut
 
@рытфолд: What is the benchmark about?
 
@wilx Height of pizza-box pile.
I'm trying for the trapdoor into the loft.
 
user1804599
@sehe I'll do that.
 
user1804599
1:43 PM
That way silly stuff like +"fdoo" or +databaseConnection will fail.
 
What about +void()
 
user1804599
There is no void. I'm not an idiot.
 
@AlexM. wtf maybe I shouldn't have dropped this series after all.
 
1:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can see where you head-desked yesterday
 
@milleniumbug I saw a few scenes
not my thing
 
> Inkscape 0.91 Goes Through C++ Code Conversion, New Cairo Rendering, OpenMP Filters phoronix
Anyone else spotting a paradox there
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes zoom out pls
 
@Pris is that a TV
 
@sehe well, cairo does have a C++ interface and has really no alternative in terms of functionality in pure C++
 
1:47 PM
is that a cintiq
 
@BartekBanachewicz not my workplace
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice
 
@sehe "C++ code conversion"?
 
@rubenvb so, I guess that's your way of saying "no"
 
@wilx probably from C
 
1:48 PM
@sehe I wonder if Inkscape finally has gradient mesh support... and support for colors arrows.
 
oh hi @LuchianGrigore
 
@wilx That part is actually inaccurate, indeed
 
long time no see
 
been lurking sometimes
 
@Pris colors arrows?
 
1:49 PM
@LuchianGrigore that's not seeing
 
@sehe * colored arrows. You can't color the arrowheads in Inkscape by default without some python extension
 
seeing is believing!
 
@sehe well, yeah. I don't see a paradox per se.
 
and even then its a pain in the ass to use. Imagine every time you want an arrow head that isn't black you have to run the extension
 
user1804599
Well, there is void.
 
1:49 PM
Heck it's open source software. It's a mutant to begin with.
 
@Pris "the" arrow heads (perhaps drawing arrows isn't the primary use case :))
 
user1804599
It's defined as sub void(x) = { }.
 
Carpe Scrotum
 
Okay. I'm gonna say it myself:
 
@BartekBanachewicz never see in my case
and he hails from my homeland too
 
1:50 PM
@sehe IMHO OpenMP never smells like C++
 
is a 2d vector drawing tool, arrows and line types fall under common use cases imo
 
@AlexM. he's a ghost from the past
 
well that figures, I've only been here for what, a year and a half?
 
@sehe the C++ way of multicore iterative structures is C++ AMP.
 
@AlexM. salutare :)
 
1:51 PM
Or do you have something else in mind?
 
@LuchianGrigore salut :D
 
just saw he's also romanian
 
@rubenvb e.g. PPL, TBB, ...
 
user1804599
Is BLAS good?
 
@рытфолд BLAS is an interface, no? There's MKL BLAS, cBLAS, openBLAS, etc...
well the original might be a library too.
 
user1804599
1:54 PM
How about uBLAS?
 
@Pris I've not spotted a single arrow in 6 pages of gallery inkscape.org/en/community/gallery
 
@рытфолд yeah, that's one too. Benchmark your use case and see for yourself.
 
I've used uBLAS for linear regression
 
That was bad
 
broke for any co-efficients higher than third-order, but that was some time ago
 
1:55 PM
@sehe wut?
 
good question
 
@LuchianGrigore What do you want me to say?
 
> With German it's close enough to English that you can get by with a bit of common sense. Go to a German lake, for example, and see a sign with a picture of a boat and the word "verboten" underneath, and it's no great leap to translate it into the English "for boats".
 
@sehe I didn't get that... maybe it was good... dunno
 
1 min ago, by sehe
That was bad
It wasn't good.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not to mention that the lake's name makes it pretty clear that you're at the "Sea"
 
1:59 PM
@sehe doesn't mean colored arrowheads shouldn't be a part of the default functionality. Adding arrowheads is a pretty common operation for a stroke... given that arrows are supported and there's good stroke styling support, the bit about changing arrowhead colors seperately is likely an implementation detail.
 
What to play on steam today?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
user1804599
> ublas vs eigen
 
user1804599
nice.
 

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