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11:00 AM
inb4 that's RACIST
 
the kid has the right to try and find a solution
 
that's a Dell Studio
 
it's not his fault he ended up with incompetent parents
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Brouteur's laptop!
 
those are decent machines
 
11:00 AM
who cause him hell now
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah. Clearly a MacBook.
 
that question was fucking depressing
I need to switch to something else
 
I had an Apple sticker on my laptop back when I was an Apple hater
 
@AlexM. The kid already settled on a solution, though (preventing the divorce). It's an XY problem!
 
@Rerito you did it wrong
 
11:01 AM
@AlexM. Try onion soup, it'll make you fart and unleash hellfire upon your colleagues invading your desk
 
@AlexM. Yeah. That's the whole point! YOU KNOW THAT. The 12y/o doesn't. It's the eternal loyalty problem they face. It's rather to the point that the ape dispells it in a dozen words.
@AlexM. That's something else. solution could be many things
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I should have stated , agreed
 
@AlexM. Unnecessarily unpleasant attitude is a common pattern, sadly.
 
@AlexM. That's not a given
 
11:02 AM
@Rerito yes
 
> age 14
 
@sehe and you know what the worst part is? The guy who wrote that is technically a Senior dev here.
He's a cool guy and all, but I kinda feel bad for the whole situation
 
Age shows
 
BTW your age is clearly stated on your profile :P — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
indeed it does
 
> (I do not want to give my age online)
 
11:04 AM
He already did so.
 
One part of me tells me that he's my colleague, he's been nice to me since we met and we should cooperate. The other tells me that he's ridiculously incompetent and now I fear letting him near any source code.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you ... unplonk me?
@Rapptz How can you tell?
 
21 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
time to unplonk a couple of people. probably going to regret it
;p
 
I can't.
I can guess.
 
@Rapptz are you asleep
 
11:04 AM
I couldn't sleep.
 
I'm asleep right now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cheers. I like that. It drove me kinda mad I could never even be helpful if I tried (which lead to some frustrated sneers, sorry for those)
 
Loungeception
flips with your brain
 
@BartekBanachewicz False dichotomy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ttt
 
11:06 AM
so apparently whilst drunk last night I started a fight with Americans in the comments section on a blog article about Michelle Obama not wearing a headscarf while in Saudi. I've woken up to like 25 email notifications
 
Moanings
 
Plonk = put someone on ignore list?
 
deletes them all
@Rerito yes
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Did you fall on your keyboard?
 
morning
 
11:06 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You have funny drunk hobbies
 
I woke up because I heard the door opening.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes more like an elastic nose-bounce
 
I went downstairs to check if the door is locked
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my tttt key is sttttuck!
 
And it was
So I don't know what the hell I heard.
 
11:07 AM
@Rerito Fighting with Americans relaxes me
 
Poor thing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Progressing on the "I'm a jerk" part of your personality I see
 
@sehe it's parents who cannot commit to what they started
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara stuck, helps a bit
 
ignore the negative effect they have on their kids
 
11:07 AM
@Rapptz dream innit
 
in exchange for their own happiness
 
Nah.
I can tell when I'm dreaming :c
 
I once dreamt about a cranefly zipping around my head which woke me up pretty much immediately because I hate the things.... but when I opened my eyes, it was still there. for about 2s before it literally faded away in front of me. that was weird.
 
@AlexM. Yes. That's sad. But staying with it regardless is sometimes more incompetent. I know. It's soooo easy to judge.
@AlexM. Right.
 
@Rapptz How do you know?
 
11:08 AM
@AlexM. Why? It breaks the build?
 
I lucid dream everyday.
Not sure why or how though.
 
If there were occasions when you'd dreamt and not realised it, you'd, um, not realise it.
 
@AlexM. Where did you get this onesided anger. Is this your own experience? I feel sorry for that already, because that happens too
 
@sehe He's young. Ofc he's one sided.
 
Yeah. Doesn't rule anything out. My parents divorced when I was 6. And that was likely loooong overdue
 
11:10 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You would if you remembered the dream later.
 
@sehe Why are you so one sided
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hm?
@AMostMajestuousCapybara what
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Am I? Point me at it then.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What what
 
I got divorced once. And then she woke up. And then I woke up.
 
11:10 AM
@sehe I was kidding :(
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara how's noticing that his OOD views are bad at best being a jerk?
 
On a slightly creepy note
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's easy to conciliate both feelings if you simply drop the assumption that they're incompatible.
 
For the past.. 9 months or so.
 
@BartekBanachewicz who said anyone was "being a dick"????
 
11:11 AM
At 6 AM, there are a lot of noises upstairs.
Like someone's opening and closing cabinets.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, the issue is how you put his OOD views in opposition to him being a nice colleague
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fixd
 
@Rapptz People getting dressed for the day?
 
@Rapptz One of your kids has a drug problem.
 
When well done a divorce can bring very positive things for both parties (kids and parents)
 
11:12 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno, I like to think my colleagues are competent.
 
Of course if it ends up in fights for stuff and shit...
 
@BartekBanachewicz ahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
Maybe they like to think the same about you
Who knows
 
I'm sure they'd like to...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doubt it.
My parents are sleeping upstairs.
 
11:13 AM
No they're not
 
We're all incompetent to someone
 
Seems to me your parents are experimenting with some, er, shall we say... aids. Stored in a cupboard.
 
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I very much relate to that. The best you can do is try to educate them - possibly in an indirect way - and keep your fingers crossed for a benefit in the long-term.
 
> aids
Unintended I suppose
 
11:14 AM
Suppose what you like :P
@AndyProwl This
Some people just aren't meant for this life, though
 
I especially love the "do you think the pattern X can be used here? If not, do you think it could be used anywhere else in the project?"
 
Can your mom be used anywhere else in the project
 
My brain kinda constructed "are you sure?" at the end of that
 
Please don't succumb to snobism :(
I liked you
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara That train is long gone.
 
11:17 AM
I will organize a funeral then :( in loving memory of Bartek the Just
Goodbye my friend
~
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara hmpfh, that's not snobism
that's the pursuit of perfection
 
your quest is vain
 
I'm terrible, but I want to be better.
What I find unacceptable is being terrible and not doing anything about it.
 
people have different goals in life
 
I'm p sure expecting constant development from the people I work with isn't overboard
 
11:20 AM
snow again
 
If I shall ever become a "senior" or a "lead" developer, that kinda means it becomes one of my goals, no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is the difference, really?
 
not only ensuring the decisions made make sense, but pointing out why and when they're bad
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it? Usually senior means "5 years experience with technology X", irrespective of "competence"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I suppose I'd be a snob if I were closed for feedback.
 
11:22 AM
@BartekBanachewicz That's being bigoted
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Well, you become one by being experienced. But what you do with that experience is another story.
 
Experience is not competence though
 
actually snobbism is more about thinking you're objectively "better" than most other people in some category
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Just Bartek :: Maybe Snob
10
 
11:22 AM
and acting accordingly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit welp
frankly
a runner is objectively better if he runs faster. But there's no objective measure for a programmer's quality
it's a set of smaller, related skills
 
You seem to be completely disregarding human skills
 
no?
why would you say that?
 
21 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
One part of me tells me that he's my colleague, he's been nice to me since we met and we should cooperate. The other tells me that he's ridiculously incompetent and now I fear letting him near any source code.
Anyway, time to go home. Have a good day uguise
 
Cheers
 
11:26 AM
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Maybe I'm that bad at human skills I don't understand what's wrong in saying that
 
@Downvoter: I await your godlike wisdom, oh great one. — Lightness Races in Orbit 25 secs ago
@AMostMajestuousCapybara bye
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is the (void) meant to stay there?
(it wasn't me who downvoted)
 
That is an awful macro lol
 
It is
 
Oh the (void) is a cast.
 
11:31 AM
> FEATURES
> Lux sofabeds in each Velvet auditorium
> Fluffy Pillows
> Warm and Comfy Blanket
> Extra Convenience
excellent
 
@Rapptz but it should appear be in the rewritten version, should it?
 
Yeah it shouldn't.
 
The !! also smells
 
I'm thinking he just wanted to "boolify" it.
safe bool idiom and all.
 
The type should have an explicit conversion to bool in that case
that should be enough
 
11:35 AM
yeah in this case probably
 
3 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
@Rapptz but it should appear be in the rewritten version, should it?
^ wtf did I type?
I was 100% sure I wrote "but it shouldn't appear in the rewritten version, should it?"
 
in JavaScript, 3 mins ago, by Neil
@BartekBanachewicz java made an update to fix "nullability" with chains of calls by returning a Nullable<T> object
 
I understood your fuckery, don't worry.
 
> BUT ARE MONADS REALLY USEFUL
 
Yeah I realized you understood but shit something's wrong with my brain
 
11:36 AM
sigh.
 
lol I'm supposed to be the sleepy one
 
getting coffee
 
@Rapptz y u repeat my answer in comments 10 mins later?
 
Because I'm cool like that
(some people appreciate second opinions)
 
@AndyProwl whoops
@AndyProwl It's fairly pointless to rationalise about what some type should and should not have when you're writing a macro to take any arbitrary expression
 
11:41 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought the macro was meant to take only bool-like expressions
 
well it says "expression"
could be anything really
 
but what's the point of operator || if the operand is not meant to be bool-like?
 
@AndyProwl Right, which is why your assumption is non-sensical
 
I don't understand
 
rare cases where operator! is overloaded but not opereator bool() due to laziness to do proper safe bool idiom
(I'm assuming this is C++03)
 
11:43 AM
You: "I have decided for myself that this code should be X, Y, Z, even though this conflicts with facts A, B, C; therefore, I think the author of the code is silly to have made A, B, C true."
 
@Rapptz Yeah, that's why I wrote it's a smell
 
Another example might be: "I think that cars should only drive in space. So why do fucking stupid car manufacturers put wheels on cars? Idiots."
 
Probably some of the types in that code base aren't properly designed
 
9
Q: Would a mermaid be kosher?

Ely Beau EastmanTonight at religious school we were discussing Kosher laws and how to build/keep a kosher kitchen. While we were discussing different meats, one of the jokers in school asked if you could eat a mermaid, since it would have scales and fins. Would it be possible to eat one?

@AndyProwl !! also just feels "safer" when you have no idea what it's going to be applied to
Plus intent is clearly expressed
I have no problem with its use there
 
explicit operator bool() is a top tier C++11 feature
 
11:45 AM
a top kek C++11 feature
 
it's too late for dank memes
 
Welp, I just don't get it.
 
didn't you write C++03
question
 
Not much. Anyway I do understand that that code might have been idiomatic in the past, and may still be necessary if working with an old compiler and/or types written in the past and not updated. My point is just that since C++11, (expression) || (...) would have been enough
 
operator void*() was used in iostream before right?
 
Was the pointer returned valid?
 
and I wish people would stop calling ?: "the ternary operator" ffs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what should it be called
 
conditional
@Pris (btw do you know about the arrow for replying to specific messages?)
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara o.O okay then...
 
11:50 AM
> [C++03: 27.4.4.3/1] Returns: If fail() then a null pointer; otherwise some non-null pointer to indicate success.
@Pris It is the conditional operator. The fact that it happens to be the only ternary operator in the language is irrelevant.
 
I guess that means "no"
 
@Rapptz Indeed
Let's have a look at what libstdc++ did
 
return static_cast<void*>(this); probably
that's what I would have done anyway
 
#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
      explicit operator bool() const
      { return !this->fail(); }
#else
      operator void*() const
      { return this->fail() ? 0 : const_cast<basic_ios*>(this); }
#endif
so yeah, basically that
 
neat
damn it's actually called "conditional operator"
 
11:55 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what. Is that bad in your opinion too?
 
now that all the spooky skeletons have left the building
time to attempt to sleep again
@BartekBanachewicz He is making a joke
k bye
 
@Rapptz I'm never sure
 
Plot twist: "doubt" used correctly on SE
@BartekBanachewicz no
@BartekBanachewicz I took "top tier" and changed it to "top kek" because I am fucking hilarious
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it needs to be used by an Indian
 
@AlexM. I don't doubt it
 
11:58 AM
> I am Nicolas Raoul, IT consultant in Tokyo.
see, he's a senpai
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara In case you were wondering... This was what tripped me up there:
I suck
I don't grok gravatars
 
23
A: How can I brighten the night sky (just a bit)?

Dan SmolinskeImagine a planet interlaced with a giant crystalline network. This could either be a single set running straight through the planet, or an actual web of crystal throughout the entire thing. The source is natural - something about your universe encourages gigantic crystal formations under the co...

 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara ah bye
 
@Richard Oh I have no doubt the OP found the answer acceptable and sufficient, but beyond being satisfied I see no evidence of manifest happiness. — Michael 14 hours ago
 
12:13 PM
@testprogram it worked
 
I have had this question pop up in my head last night when I was taking shower: What happens to the light that falls bellow the Schwartzschild radius?
It must stay trapped but what happens to the photons?
Also, how does it affect the black hole?
 
The black hole becomes denser, the horizon expands.
 
heh, sometimes compilers come up with some interesting wordings for error messages
"void value not ignored as it ought to be"
 
dunno how the equivalent to classical angular momentum works out, as I recall spinning black holes are a big deal
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why would you post something like that
 
12:21 PM
seems uncharacteristically prose-like
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes that is completely off-topic in the Lounge and nothing like it has ever been posted here before
 
this one was particularly meh
 
@jalf yeah that's one of my favourites, too
 
time to fix the landing page of my blog
 
12:25 PM
get a job lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
 
I've a job. I've been recruited to do C++ and I'm ending up doing some naughty Java on Android :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you on holiday or something
@Rerito tsk
@Rerito I'm a senior C++ developer on loan to an embedded systems C team
although I have to admit I'm rather enjoying it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no? I just did the task I was given, which was to send an email. My further actions depend on the response to it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz if I found out my employees were "fixing the landing page of their blog" during work hours, they would be fired immediately
 
12:27 PM
@Rerito i hope you dont have t o write any JNI :p
 
I'm sure you can find something to do with my money beyond waiting for an email response
 
@Pris There are... JNI and Swig
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I suppose I would fire you for numerous other things.
 
Perform some task that aids the team and/or company in some way
You are not being paid to fix up your blog
(Says Lightness in a chatroom at 12:28pm)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit precisely
 
12:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You just still don't understand me, do you? :)
 
user1804599
I think rationals should be used for storing monetary values.
 
@рытфолд That seems rational.
 
@LucDanton But photon has zero rest mass. Does it generate gravity?
 
(So instead of actually working on my Java stuff, I spend time learning new stuff mainly in C++...)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Probably not. I dislike you being so keen on the historical solutions.
 
12:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz on the what now
 
Talking to you feels like talking to a 50-year old
 
19
Q: Does a photon exert a gravitational pull?

JohnI know a photon has zero rest mass, but it does have plenty of energy. Since energy and mass are equivalent does this mean that a photon (or more practically, a light beam) exerts a gravitational pull on other objects? If so, does it depend on the frequency of the photon?

 
you often mention your position and/or experience, you say things in a way that suggest that just because you said them they must be true, etc etc
 
@Rerito ouch. well some work is better than no work i guess. also i got a bit of sadistic satisfaction in using JNI on android and having everything work right from C++. I remember it being like a factor of 10; 10 times as many lines to do something in JNI vs directly in Java... good times.
 
Yeah we have a C++ code base that needs to be accessible from the Java layer. Such a pain in the ass
 
user1804599
Storing monetary values as ints (cents) or fixeds has a problem with intermediate value precision in calculations.
 
@рытфолд Not really. Store tenths of cents if you must. The level of precision is always firmly specified in all such calculations anyway.
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it's called "trolling"...
Seriously, how have you not realised this yet??
 
user1804599
x / 10000 * 10000 should give me x.
 
user1804599
That doesn't work with integers that are 100 or fixeds that are 1.00.
 
I take sage advice and dispense it wrapped in a thin layer of funny trolling for dramatic effect
 
12:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was under impression that after repeating all of that constantly you kinda started believing it
 
@BartekBanachewicz ...
you of course being an expert character witness despite having never even met me
 
see I'm honest with you!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because you need to be one to be under impression
 
@BartekBanachewicz you need to be one to take your impression seriously to any non-negligible degree
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
 
@BartekBanachewicz sigh
 
12:36 PM
that's not how it works
 
of course it is
you can have an impression of someone you've never even met but, if you are over the age of 3 and have an IQ over ~50, you should be sufficiently self-aware to realise that your impression is based on little to no information and should be essentially ignored for all practical purposes
 
If I see you acting like a condescending prick, I'll think about you as a condescending prick unless proven or otherwise presented with a reason to believe it's joking, trolling or otherwise not real
 
erm when did this devolve into hateful name-calling???
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that was an example
hit the table...
 
well the problem with your example is that you simply assume that "I see you acting like a condescending prick" is indisputable evidence, not taking into account any possibility that you may be misinterpreting a situation or just generally being an idiot
to then go and act as if that's an absolutely accurate observation by necessity is unethical
 
12:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm just working with the information I'm given
 
you're not listening. how you interpret data is just as important as what the data are.
 
You know the fact that I assume all people are idiots unless proven otherwise isn't helping you either
 
It doesn't help you much either :P
 
it does.
 
I can assure you that it doesn't
It may make you happier but it appears to be a social detriment for all the reasons given above
Anyway, on a related note, by the way as I get older I'm getting more and more cynical like that too :(
 
12:41 PM
oh and BTW even if you're indeed joking WRT your age/experience, your strong critique of newer C++ standards is another story that fit my puzzle
because that's the kind of behaviour I've associate with a closeminded 50-yo stagnant person
 
@LucDanton Thanks. I have also found this:
4
Q: What happens to a photon in a black hole?

Kent ByerleyAssume a photon enters the event horizon of a black hole. The gravity of the black hole will draw the photon into the singularity eventually. Doesn't the photon come to rest and therefore lose it's mass?

 
Oh boi
 
hmm I think I want to write something in Idris
 
> Ah, Perl. Often derided as a "write-only language", Perl nevertheless enjoys some level of popularity among WTF-savvy workplaces
^ for the lobster
 
@sehe hate, kill with fire
broken POS would never use 0/10
WTF-savvy doesn't cut it
 
12:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol. You would end up with no employees. Happy workplace and good productivity does not come from being ass to your employees.
 
Anybody see the problem?
 
look, a $2k burger
 
@FredOverflow tab indentation?
 
@FredOverflow Is that CaML stuff?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Unfortunately, I cannot distinguish tabs from spaces in the video :(
 

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