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8:02 PM
@sehe pet?
 
I believe it can be. But you have to be a special kind of person to do that
 
one who wants a chilean rose as a pet I'd say
 
I'd tend to agree
@Ell Of course we "found" it at an expo. Right next to the place where he dissected owl-balls to find skeletons of mice:
 
@sehe no you don't :P
 
@thecoshman Would so!
 
8:07 PM
@sehe oh lol, those things.
forget the word for them
oh, it is just pellet
 
Nature expo? I dunno. We call it the "Natuur centrum" where they do a lot of taxidermy and the rest. And a botanic garden. And they have a predatory bird show etc.
It's nice to see. Especially with the kids.
@thecoshman Ah. Thanks for looking that up. You complement me!
 
"what's the the word for owl pellets" => "'owl pellets' you idiot" => "oh :("
@sehe sounds cool indeed
 
@AlexM. So did you watch it? :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What have you done?
 
8:24 PM
you guys have issues
 
I have tissues.
 
So I'm currently working on projecteuler.net/problem=447
I was able to show that R(p) ≡ 1 for any prime p
I need more number theory ;~;
 
-2
Q: Why Choose Recursion?

user3700785I was reading a section in a chapter that talks about recursion functions. After scratching my head so many times trying to understand what the heck is going on inside the recursive function, the book concludes with "So why choose recursion?" If we can do just fine with iteration? Oh man... Why...

Someone is trying to reopen this? Wat.
 
And F(N) seems to be a polynomial function. F(10N) ~ 100F(N)
Unfortunately, since the final result is (mod 1 000 000 007), this doesn't help us very much.
And I can't really approximate anything using the Prime-counting function
Well, I can, but it wouldn't help either
 
Ell
hmm
 
8:39 PM
@Griwes Interestingly, I've never needed to use recursion for anything isn't numerical or mathematical.
 
Ell
I wonder if it's possible to have a conversion operator outside a class
actually. I don't know if I want one
 
Stuff like sorting and misc. data structures are all provided already as libraries.
 
@Mysticial I find it super useful for operating on trees.
but then again, I am writing a compiler- tree-o-matic.
 
@Mysticial wait... you do things that aren't numerical or mathematical?
 
@thecoshman At work.
 
8:43 PM
@Mysticial Hi there c:
 
hi
 
@Mysticial constexpr
@Ell no
 
@Rapptz what?
 
it requires recursion
in C++11
 
Ell
functional stuff
is using recursion most of the time
 
8:47 PM
@Rapptz C++11 is out.
 
eh?
 
wha
 
just thought I'd join in
 
8:48 PM
My new job is reversing strings, im the string reverser
@OMGtechy ni nioj d'I thguoht tsuj
 
@Loopunroller I'll be sure to give you some palindromes to make your life easier
 
@OMGtechy Thank you sir
 
don't you mean ris uoy knaht?
 
Ell
I have a template class. I want to be able to add conversion operators to this class after defining it. What are the options for that? I think CRTP might be able to help with this
 
@OMGtechy You forgot to inverse th in "thank"
 
8:50 PM
@Loopunroller shhh , no I didn't :P
 
@Ell What? Just define them in the class template
 
^
It's no different to any other
 
@Ell friend functions I think...
 
Ell
@Loopunroller I want to be able to add them after defining the class
ie, I don't know all of the conversion operators
some of them will be defined by the users of the class
 
@Ell That's impossible. You have to alter the definition. Or adjust the conversions you need to do
@Ell Aha!
 
8:51 PM
So long as everything you need is publically available
 
In that case, CRTP might be reasonable
 
@Ell hmm...
 
just make some free function, a bit like extention methods in C#
 
will they need access to non-public data?
 
^
 
Ell
8:52 PM
@thecoshman yes
 
@Ell then this doesn't make sense.
 
Ell
why? o.O
 
How can I write code to convert your Foo data object to my Bar, if I don't know all the data that your Foo has.
 
Ell
I'll show you what I have so far :P
 
inb4: it sucks
 
8:55 PM
@thecoshman His problem is that he doesn't know the target types of the conversion at the point of definition of the class template. He knows it at instantiation time, therefore he should take a template parameter containing the target.
 
Ell
@thecoshman it does suck
and actually I don't need any CRTP at all
I just need regular inheritance
 
@Ell Was i correct with the above?
Or not?
Maybe an example code would be nice
 
Ell
yeah gimme a sec
 
@Loopunroller yes, but he wants users to provide the target. Ie, users need to know how to take a Foo and make it into a Bar
 
Ell
@thecoshman they do know that
I think this is a bit XY atm so I'll explain
I'm writing a little wrapper around a reference to a java object
 
8:57 PM
@thecoshman Maybe they don't. What if the target type has to simply support some operations - like be constructed with an int and a string as a ctor argument?
@Ell Java!? I thought this is about C++
 
Ell
@Loopunroller well, JVM :P
@Loopunroller yeah it is - JNI
 
@Ell with you so far...
 
@Ell Well then go fuck yourself and your Java
 
Ell
it's a c++ problem :P
 
Sorry, didn't mean it :D
 
Ell
8:58 PM
haha
 
I just hate Java.
 
Ell
So anyway I'm wrapping a reference to a jvm object
 
I had to programm Java in school.
I went to the police to report sexual harassment but they wouldn't listen.
 
Ell
oh wait a minute. I had a little revelation just now
I don't need this functionality at all
thanks guys! :D
 
<face palm>
 
8:59 PM
<mlap ecaf>
Shit i have so much to reverse
This is a two mans job, but the branche is underfed
 
+1: This is horrible and terrifying. I like it! — James McNellis Jul 31 '12 at 23:48
lol
<ɯlɐd ǝɔɐɟ>
 
@sehe What's the website you used to generate the text with?
 
en.fliptext.net though there's a CLI util for it :)
 
@sehe isʞuɐɥʇ
@sehe By the way, is it wrong that i listen to George Michael while thinking of Lightness?
 
@StackedCrooked my thought exactly
@Loopunroller Ask the artist
 
9:04 PM
@sehe Doesn't work terribly well.
 
@Puppy Did it meet your expectations?
 
Gosh. You don't say.
The Puppy found something else not relevant enough to himself to denigrate
 
yes, that's totally the issue here
 
@Puppy *tissue
 
nothing to do with the fact that, say, inverted is don't have dots, and inverted capitals don't look anything like it, and the letter order is incorrect
 
9:06 PM
@Puppy <takes bait> go on then, how so?
 
@rightfold lol zing
@Puppy send them a letter. With rose-petal stationary
 
 
@Puppy oh no! my bit of fun ruined!
 
@Puppy You only wait for the opportunity to decry stuff you didn't write.
 
@Puppy The inverted is don't have dots because there's no inverted i character.
 
9:12 PM
@Loopunroller I do think it's fair to say that "you didn't write" doesn't actually matter here
 
@sehe Does he denigrate his own work too? :p
 
You'll also notice that inverted bs are just qs.
 
Sure
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I got that far.
 
Wow.
poop imposter
 
9:13 PM
Why are there any inverted characters at all?
 
there aren't.
 
@VáclavZeman IPA, mostly.
 
they're from languages whose alphabet is more deviant from Latin
like Cyrillic and that dotless i is Turkish, I believe
 
It's just characters that get damn close
 
Weird.
 
9:14 PM
This is how bad it can look with "proper" fonts
 
@Loopunroller Some are truly inverted versions of the others.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Par example?
 
spanish question mark/exclamation mark (comes to mind)
 
9:16 PM
weird that I still have more upvotes than downvotes cast
probably because I pretty much always upvote both question and answer
 
The close back unrounded vowel, or high back unrounded vowel, is a type of vowel sound used in some spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is 〈ɯ〉. Typographically a turned letter m, given its relation to the sound represented by the letter u it can be considered a u with an extra "bowl". The sound is sometimes referred to as "unrounded u". The IPA prefers terms "close" and "open" for vowels, hence the name of this article. However, a large number of linguists, perhaps a majority, prefer the terms "high" and "low". == Features == Its vowel...
 
How's yours?
 
> 1,724 question
> 1,166 answer
 
Good. You passed
 
9:20 PM
@sehe I love you
 
Big mistake
 
hah
I just got an email telling me that someone found a job I should apply for.
now I don't have to send them an overly sarcastic response.
 
How far will you be traveling tomorrow?
 
0 miles
 
I thought you started tomorrow / had to relocate
 
9:24 PM
> all time by type
1,006 up 1,303 question
1,190 down 893 answer
 
I do have to relocate and I do start tomorrow, but neither of those things involves going to Bristol right away
there's nothing for me to view in Bristol, since I just started making arrangements for places
 
@Borgleader in principle, you just downvote questions then
 
and it's too far away to commute to the office
 
@sehe Yes, I'm pretty sure my pattern is upvote good answers, downvote bad questions
 
So the "starting tomorrow" just involves the "getting paid" activity?
@Borgleader lol. And as luck would have it you find fewer good answers than bad questions. It just may be you are looking in the wrong places. It's been a very very very long time since I ever watched SO's main page ("new questions")
 
9:26 PM
in my defense there are a lot of bad questions
 
well they gave me something to get started on whilst I'm at home
but I have a sneaking suspicion that I cracked the problem in the back of my head over the weekend and it won't take me long
 
Ell
@Puppy ho many miles approx?
 
That sounded dangerous. You don't want to crack the back of your head before you get any permanent insurance perps
 
@Ell Bristol is maybe 70-100 miles or so from here.
 
@Ell swamp - Bristol. Lessay 80 miles?
 
9:28 PM
but the raw distance is less problematic than the travel conditions.
it's a rarely used, poorly maintained line, with frequent stops to stop at every little station, that doesn't even stop at the local station, with infrequent arrivals and departures.
 
Love how "bad service" ≃ "terrain"
 
yeah, I realized later that terrain is totally not what I meant.
 
Keeping the comment. It took me three tries to get that ≃ out of my keyboard
I should be studying a score. Really. I have to replace a conductor tomorrow and I don't know the piece. I can bluff my way, but it's kinda good to know what you plan on rehearsing
 
@Puppy I'm looking for an appartment too atm, cant wait to no longer have a 1h50 (x2) commute
 
@Borgleader I'd be looking at about 3h each way, and that's with my parents support getting me to the closest station where the train actually stops.
 
9:35 PM
"I like to say that all of us ... and programmers we have "battered wife syndrome": we're just so used to the abuse" http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/A-Conversation-with-Bjarne-Stroustrup-Carl-Hewitt-and-Dave-Ungar
 
even then, getting the earliest train possible still results in not being there until 9.30
 
@Puppy oh my
 
> it's driving me OCD :P
cringe
 
Google Car: It's driving me SUV
 
@sehe thats actually correct, if you imagine it being spoken by a british person (which i gather from watching tv sometimes pronounce my as me)
:P
 
9:39 PM
no, no we do not.
 
That was the whole point. Of course I imagined precisely tha'
 
user1804599
I want to play FF but it's too late. :<
 
at least not by and large, I may have a vague recollection of some accent like that but I haven't seen it in a while
 
Right. Keep running away :)
It's probably just being perpetuated for the benefit of sitcoms
 
you make it sound like that would be surprising or unusual
 
9:47 PM
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@Puppy not at all
 
lolwot
base64 is encryption now?
 
user1804599
It is in PHP.
 
user1804599
@sehe your avatar fits perfectly.
 
It always does
 
9:50 PM
 
user1804599
I want to play games the whole goddamn week.
 
user1804599
FF and MW2 are so much fun.
 
user1804599
Why did I never play these.
 
@Griwes I love whitespace
 
user1804599
Baka Harem.
 
9:54 PM
@sehe Where are you reading this crap
 
5 mins ago, by sehe
@Puppy Found the source: http://www.ehow.com/how_7450803_encrypt-card-information-sql-database.html
 
user3010322
@sehe trololol.
 
I really think whoever wrote that page is smarter than he seems to be
 
 
Ell
@sehe oh my jesus christ
 
9:57 PM
you have one too?
 
user1804599
Jesus is dead. Deal with it.
 
> Programming languages such as PHP have built in functions that can encrypt. An example is the base 64 encryption function... - eHow
 
Xeo
Well damn, this was not a good month for manga / anime. All kinds of bad-end episodes / chapters.
 
Saying this sort of shit should be a crime. FFS
 
Faith in humanity...gone.
There wasn't much anyway.
 
user3010322
9:59 PM
@Xeo List a few, so I know what to avoid?
 

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