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11:00 PM
Lua has no builtin object system, so when adding your own you can provide RTTI
 
Ell
See I personally see this as a disadvantage
 
I'd rather write LPC than Lua
 
@Ell but you also personally like ruby so I don't value your personal opinions too much
 
Ell
I'd rather it not be up to me to insert the type of things
 
you don't understand what Lua is about in the slightest.
 
11:01 PM
yup. used that on AIX
back in the day (~2007 methinks)
 
@Ell Then don't. Query the metatable.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what is it about?
 
Slapfights
 
@Puppy I found it to be unwieldy after a while, because merging issues is not alway very natural to do
 
@Ell minimal core - library extendability, like scheme
 
11:02 PM
@sbi hi!
Organized bugs remind me of Ant. Which reminds me of Java. Q.E.D.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz yes.
 
can python handle ~1998-2004 era 3D graphics without too much optimization?
 
Yes no maybe
 
Ell
@corvid yeah
 
11:04 PM
1998-2004 is very... broad
 
Like Star Wars Battlefront or LoZ: OC. Something like that
 
Sacrifice was a real beauty when it came out (2000)
 
Ell
@Rapptz interesting
I also dislike that tail call optimization is mandatory
 
Oh hey new Crawl version
> New god! Qazlal, God of Extremely Loud Elemental Destruction.
> Ranged combat has been completely reworked, and is now comprehensible by mortal minds. (It works just like melee now.) A set of new ranged weapons have been added to round things out.
> Inventory weight limits: gone.
> Item destruction: gone.
> Permanent equipment corrosion: gone. (Replaced by a temporary corrosion effect that's much more dangerous!)
> Also, many spells were reworked, many bad monsters were removed, new monsters, new unrands, and probably more things I’ve forgotten!
Woo
cc @ScarletAmaranth
 
11:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Piotr is a new sight for me. Seems right on the ball though!
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz you can't disable tail call optimization for some reason
 
@Ell why would you want to disable it again?
 
so?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz for complete back traces
or stack traces
 
Use a loop instead of recursion maybe
 
Ell
11:08 PM
or whatever they are called :L
 
@Ell reason being that implementations depend on it? If there is no TCO then you're getting stack overflows pretty quickly for (tree) recursion
 
Also up-modded (hah) your comment
 
user3010322
So glad the thing tells me what my zoom level is
 
user3010322
why do I have any expectations of this program.
 
Ell
11:11 PM
Okay, I conceed
I think you have convinced me that lua is not terrible in itsself
 
01:11 - time to sleep
NIght all
 
Ell
what a productive conversation we've had for once :P
@sehe night :)
 
my conversations are always productive for me
I always learn something from them, and I am not so concerned about the other party
unless they're paying me for teaching them, in which case I typically succeed too
 
@BartekBanachewicz We know :v
 
so, my estimate is that we're doing around 6 SP / day
considering that I'm not here this weekend, potato empires should be playable before the game jam
 
11:17 PM
how the heck am I supposed to simulate a CheckboxSelectMultiple widget in the POST data of a test case
'field': ['1', '2'] NOPE
'field': '1', 'field': '2' NOPE
'field': [1, 2] NOPE
 
don't you know the format beforehand?
 
no, because django docs are so good
 
Ell
What's wrong with the first?
 
It doesn't parse it.
 
@Jefffrey I find them rather nice.
 
11:19 PM
No errors, it just ignores.
 
As in, never really had problems with them
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok, then find how the heck should I format such a widget in the manual POST hash of the post method of a Client
 
@Jefffrey Uh how do you expect that to work
 
@CatPlusPlus That's how they are sent in the request body.
 
@Jefffrey You're writing Python
 
11:22 PM
@Jefffrey what're you using?
 
Also what's the entire code of that test case
 
@Jefffrey it kinda smells fishy
 
Oh you're using Client
 
I have no idea so I'll shut up.
 
Where self.client is Client
 
11:25 PM
@Jefffrey woopsie we now know your last name
 
If I manually test it, the page works. It correctly detects the selected groups.
 
oh wait that's not your last name
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, Jeffrey Mercer is clearly an italian name.
 
I knew your last name already
 
List should be fine
 
11:26 PM
i think i should get to sleep
 
@BartekBanachewicz thats not his name period, he wrote jeffrey with only 2 f
 
@CatPlusPlus as in 'groups: ['1', '2']?
@BartekBanachewicz sue me
:P
If so, I get:
self.assertEqual(user.groups.all().count(), 2)
AssertionError: 0 != 2
 
@Jefffrey nah
 
@BartekBanachewicz nah
 
You probably shouldn't use multipart encoding for this
 
11:31 PM
Oh wait
 
Also you're a butte who can't read docs
> To submit multiple values for a given key – for example, to specify the selections for a <select multiple> – provide the values as a list or tuple for the required key. For example, this value of data would submit three selected values for the field named choices:
> {'choices': ('a', 'b', 'd')}
 
What did I miss?
@CatPlusPlus Where the heck did you find that?
 
In the documentation of Client.post where else
 
@Jefffrey you're talking about a part of django I don't know :<
and I was mean to @Ell and now I regret it
 
As a penance you have to admit that Lua is shit
@Jefffrey Also you can verify that data is sent correctly by dumping the raw post body
 
11:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus it fits nice into gamedev
:P
 
The ultimate proof
also I should start doing something finally
I woke up at 17 again and haven't done anything yet
 
Also it's September somehow
 
Weird
Now it sends them correctly, and the raw post receives them correctly, but the groups are not added.
 
Star Wars Battlefront II is so good
 
11:42 PM
Yup, it's not adding the groups correctly. Not even manually.
@CatPlusPlus Lua is definitely shit.
Also thanks.
 
i don't get what you have with lua
there are better languages to hate
 
(I don't even know Lua)
 
it takes like 10 minutes to learn Lua
15 if you count metatables
 
IRTA meatables
 
11:52 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ITRA?
 
oh, I Read That As
 
I read that ass
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
@melak47 ^ All freetype'd up!
 
11:54 PM
@Rapptz and people still will keep saying it's complicated
@ThePhD hmpfh should've thought about a way of making images smaller too
 
user3010322
Maybe I should post all my text as jpegs. :3c
 
I use Freetype in my game engine
 
@ThePhD That's illegal
 
@ThePhD I could simply hide all of the images you post
also that's illegal
 
2008
one day I'll finish it honest
 
user3010322
11:56 PM
still loading..
 
user3010322
There it is.
 
user3010322
Looks nice!
 
Ell
@thephd next step, show us some cool glyph effects!
 
> When will it be done?
No idea. Hopefully it'll be a viable platform -- or at the very least a good interface -- by September 2009, though.
 
11:57 PM
@ThePhD more
 
ahaha lmao
> is supposed to work on other variations of Unix (including Mac) with some Makefile tinkering.
> e->getType() == { ENTITYTYPE_ACTOR | ENTITYTYPE_VEHICLE | ENTITYTYPE_PROJECTILE | ENTITYTYPE_PARTICLE | ...};
 
Ell
Is it safe to send plaintext passwords to a trusted server over https?
Ignore that actually
 
Yes no maybe
 
user1646075
haha - apparently you're negative. Think I'd better get to work on Mr Jalf
(I love reading the catch-ups)
 

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