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user784668
I want to laugh at them for writing stringly typed crap.
 
Laughing at developers does not count as contributing to a project.
 
Don't you dare insult GHC people. It's all we have got.
 
Xeo
Hey, there's also Hugs!
 
Free hugs?
 
user784668
5:02 PM
@FredOverflow I'm laughing already
 
@PolymorphicPotato "solid works" yeah right :)
 
I just realised I made a hilarious blunder in my GC.
 
Tell us about it.
 
Xeo
@Fanael wut, where?
 
5:03 PM
heap.resize(heap.size() + type.instanceSize); possibly invalidates all pointers to all objects. :D
 
@Xeo AFAIK it's nowhere near as feature complete as GHC is
 
user784668
17 mins ago, by Fanael
https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9439
 
user3010322
@Xeo Hugs?
 
@PolymorphicPotato Your heap is a vector?
 
It's std::vector<char> heap;.
 
user784668
5:04 PM
@PolymorphicPotato what
 
You probably want to allocate everything upfront-
 
Yay pool night tonight
as in sticks and balls
fuck
 
sounds lovely
 
@FredOverflow I could mmap enormous amounts of memory, and when collecting I can do munmap and then mmap again.
 
A sausage party
 
5:06 PM
@PolymorphicPotato Not enough.
 
as in this:
 
Repointing the pointers is part of the collecting cycle.
 
bah
if I want to test Wide on Ubuntu, I'd have to rebuild LLVM and Clang.
fuck.
 
just let it run in the background in a vm :D
 
5:17 PM
Oh god.
I enter Minecraft, I say "hiii <3" and I get a message back "robin is fishing afk"
HOW CAN YOU FISH AFK
2
 
obviously you sit in a lake instead of at your keyboard.
 
Preferably in a boat in a lake
 
@PolymorphicPotato plot twist: it's robin williams
 
@CatPlusPlus Well it's not actually true
Can anyone explain the end of last night's Falling Skies to me?
 
> Comments were removed from JSON by design.
 
5:20 PM
@Puppy fishing in-game.
 
Who should I kill?
inb4 myself
 
@PolymorphicPotato Don't think he meant fishing in-game.
 
@Jefffrey All terrorists.
@Puppy He is standing here abusing glitches.
I hope there will be a breaking change!
 
Terrorists removed comments from JSON?
yeah that makes sense
 
But you should kill them regardless.
 
5:21 PM
@PolymorphicPotato ... easily... with some set up./
 
user784668
lol autohell
 
If you want JSON with comments then you need a custom preprocessor or use YAML
 
@PolymorphicPotato afk fishing is not really a glitch... it's a bit cheaty though.
 
Use edn.
 
@FredOverflow Shore fishing is nice, but boat fishing in a lake is the best.
 
user3010322
5:24 PM
What does the standard call the underlying, original iterator for things like the template-generated reverse_iterator...?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes boat in a lake > shore fishing > in a lake
 
Jun 23 at 18:08, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm sad. I miss getting up at 3am to go on a three-hour drive to get on a boat at sunrise and spend the day fishing until sunset and stopping for lunch in rocky formations in the middle of a lake and then having another three-hour drive back home before falling asleep still with the phantom feeling of the boat rocking.
 
@ThePhD underlying iterator
 
user3010322
Close enough. :D
 
5:25 PM
@FredOverflow pub > fishing
 
Programming.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I used to have that phantom sensation of rocking all the time!
 
pubic ecstatic rrhoid mean(String[] tanga);
 
user3010322
Haven't had it in like, 1.4 decades.
 
user784668
can somebody kill autohell please
 
5:30 PM
@Fanael What is autohell? Everybody using auto for initialized variables?
 
autoshit aka autotools
 
Comments do not belong in JSON
JSON is data, not metadata
 
Is @Alex Around?
 
If you need to document your data, do it separately.
 
Depends on what you use JSON for
 
5:33 PM
@Xeo Btw, I'm thinking about getting one of these instead of sleeves: amazon.de/…
 
Well, sure. If you use JSON for bad and wrong things then comments inside it are fine.
 
Comments are useful for config files written by people
 
@BartekBanachewicz he's
uhh...
gone fishing
 
yeah!
 
5:33 PM
comments do not go in config files
comments go in the documentation for config files
 
user3010322
Why would comments ever matter.
 
Wanted to set up LoL in approx 45min
 
granted you might want to document an actual config choice, but then using JSON for config is stupid anyway
 
If you're in
 
Heiko laminates all his cards and the result is great.
 
user3010322
5:33 PM
Any competent person could throw that shit out.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm always up for lolling at you
 
JSON is great for config
 
(not really)
INI 4 eva
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes :o A laminator!
 
YAML's not bad either
 
5:34 PM
@Puppy hard to lol from below
 
@ThePhD What about it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't know.
 
YAML is awful
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shiny. I want one.
 
INI is too primitive
 
5:35 PM
It's a lot cheaper than I expected.
 
I'd like YAML more if it wasn't so goddamn complicated
Also wtb YAML parser that doesn't discard comments
 
So yeah imma log in in about 45 min
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is! I thought it'd be on the order of like, at least 50-60 EUR.
 
user3010322
Do you have to buy like, re-laminating spools or something though?
 
user3010322
To recharge?
 
5:36 PM
You need to buy sheets.
 
Also I'm getting home after 9.5hrs of work and I feel great
 
You're crazy
 
Life is great
Haskell
 
10 cents apiece looks cheap enough.
 
5:36 PM
Next thing you'll start hearing plinks in songs
 
user784668
How do I even regenerate that configure POS.
 
One A4 sheet is enough for a bunch of cards, and I don't even need to care about size.
 
user784668
What was it, autoreconf?
 
Though I need some way to do the cutting.
googles guillotines
 
@Fanael First, get the exact same version that whoever wrote the config for autotools was using
 
5:37 PM
@Cat um I have this one song
@R.m <50€
 
Then I don't know, I never managed to reproduce a working configure script
 
Don't buy the cheapest ones tho
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus I think I have all the versions
 
What about alcohol free week this week
 
Some projects have autogen.sh or whatever with necessary arcane spells
 
user784668
5:39 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not GHC
 
Yes I could not drink for a week I think
@Fanael why are you building ghc again?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Trying to fix a bug.
 
user784668
(not the linked one)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'll give it a thought though I kinda played enough for the day
 
5:41 PM
Shh never enough
Install ts in the meantine
 
Hmm, whole setup ends at <50€: laminator 20€, guillotine 15€, corner cutter 5€ + 0.10€ per A4 sheet.
 
Cheap guillotines suck tho
Esp if you want to cut anything other that 60g paper
 
The bags are for putting the chopped off heads in?
 
Also cutting on them requires practice
@R.M you might want to look into those moving cutters
My GF has one for uni stuff and it works pretty well
 
user784668
aaaaaaaaand it's borked
 
user784668
thanks Obama for autohell
 
lolwut?
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's called a guillotine
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, no exposed blades sounds nice.
 
5:47 PM
"moving cutters" lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's not what the manufacturers call them.
 
@Fanael why you don't like Obama? I heard he really cares for you. He even made that Obama Care thing
 
It moves and cuts, so...
 
user784668
@Abyx He's the leader of a terrorist organization called "United States of America".
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@BartekBanachewicz But it does rather increase the budget.
 
5:49 PM
@R.M a guillotine that will refuse to cut the plastic also will
I've used these cheap ones and they can really get annoying
 
user784668
Autohell is literally worse than Hitler and Bartek combined.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that reminded me of van gogh for some reason
 
user784668
5:54 PM
let's see now
 
ooh, she's pretty
 
user784668
Attempting to build GHC, whoa.
 
Scarlett Byrne
 
user784668
Is it why people use Gentoo? Because watching text scroll is fun?
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So he chopped his hand off so the doctors could stop telling him that he "has a good hand on the arm, no reason to amputate the whole arm."
 
user3010322
5:57 PM
Well, I know what nerve damage can do to a person and what kind of pain it can put them through. I can't say I can judge him for making that kind of decision.
 
Still under 50€ but maybe I'll just buy the trimmer and corner cutter and convince Heiko to share the laminator in exchange for me sharing the trimmer and cutter.
 
Nerve damage is painful
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Photoshop'd!
 
Any Loungers used mobile boarding passes? Especially at EMA/ACE? Am I going to be the first Lounger to be denied boarding?
 
I always use paper boarding passes
 
6:00 PM
I think Bartek did last time.
 
I don't trust technology
 
I always get my boarding passes at the airport.
 
I check in early and print them off
 
user3010322
Same.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah - that would be stupid for a software developer. I'll print them off.
 
6:01 PM
@TonyTheLion I'd rather avoid interaction with printers.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That the same Bartek who was invoved in the paper-chase around Berlin?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know, I've never had an issue with printers
 
@MartinJames I don't think I've ever done that. Certainly not at EMA as I haven't flown from EMA in years
 
> I'm gonna beat you with your own toner cartridge!
 
6:03 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't trust the dicks manning the airport
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm gonna do both this first time. I'll present the mobile BP first but keep a paper backup.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahahahah
 
>
Having Copier Problems? Need Repairs on your Copier, Fax Machine,or Laser Printer ? Call Copiers Plus Worldwide,llc. in Connecticut (203) 381-0399 or TOLL -FREE (866) 377-7787 we can help you with issues described in the Video above. We are also specialist in repairing older equipment.
oh youtube comments
anyway, that video isn't even funny
 
"issues described in the Video above"
 
all those yanks bursting into laughter over it
 
6:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You suck, we know.
 
user3010322
The rules for deduction on brace init lists and std::initializer_list makes me so sad.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit John Cleese was better when beating up his car.
 
@MartinJames You can have both! youtube.com/watch?v=hlyRpy82420
 
@ThePhD But...but...they are logical!
TBH, I have watched like three videos, two with Meyers, describing the various different deduction rules, and I am not able to describe the differences. :)
 
@ThePhD You mean auto and template behaving differently?
 
Xeo
6:10 PM
auto behaving at all!
 
Is auto fun() and auto fun() -> decltype(auto) the same?
 
user784668
Please rename auto to car.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow no
one is auto, the other is decltype(auto)
 
user3010322
One will strip things down to value types,
 
Xeo
@Fanael submit a proposal
 
6:11 PM
@Fanael You cannot rename auto to car, because that is already a reserved word in C++/Lisp.
 
user3010322
the other will preserve the references on the type exactly as provided.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD or not-reference
om nom nom, strawberry cheesecake chocolate
 
user784668
@FredOverflow I bet that when common lisp and C++ inevitably merge car and auto will be the same.
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow I mean { ... } not being able to passed through as a std::initializer_list when you have templated code and shit.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD bad, go in your corner
 
user784668
6:12 PM
WHAT
 
user784668
I just compiled GHC successfully? WTF
 
Hmm, does anybody know how is a multi options (<select> and <option>s) form sent via POST, by any chance?
 
user3010322
@Xeo :<
 
@ThePhD so...
auto lol()
{
    return std::move(some_data_member);   // returns prvalue?
}

auto rofl() -> decltype(auto)
{
    return std::move(some_data_member);   // returns xvalue?
}
 
user3010322
But... but I know the rules!
 
Xeo
6:13 PM
@FredOverflow yes
 
@Fanael good job
 
Xeo
@Fanael what made you think you wouldn't?
 
The syntax decltype(auto) just seems so fucking arbitrary.
 
@FredOverflow O.o
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow not really?
It's decltype semantics, but deduced (i.e., auto)
 
6:14 PM
i vaguely remember prvalues and xvalues existing. i have no clue what they are or the difference between them
 
user784668
@Xeo autotools
 
18
Q: Real life examples of xvalues, glvalues, and prvalues?

M3taSpl0itI was wondering if anyone could tell or explain some real life examples of xvalues, glvalues, and prvalues?. I have read a similar question : What are rvalues, lvalues, xvalues, glvalues, and prvalues? but I did not understand what everyone meant. Can anyone explain in what cases these values a...

"real life examples"? You mean like spotting an xvalue in the supermarket, or wondering whether your car can be classified as lvalue? — jalf Jul 7 '11 at 13:00
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL!
 
user3010322
auto fun ( const index_type& = {} )
 
user3010322
This is interpreted as trying to construct index_type with 1 argument
 
user3010322
6:15 PM
rather than default init
 
user3010322
Fuck my life.
 
user3010322
What that one argument is? Who the fuck knows, but it's there!
 
Xeo
@ThePhD wat
 
user3010322
@Xeo MSVC
 
Xeo
MSVFuckyou
4
 
6:16 PM
lol
 
@MartinJames I've never understood why people find it so hilarious when people beat up copiers and cars in anger. I mean... ha ha?
Well done I guess, really intelligent humour that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I would certainly never do either. Not when I have perfectly hideous computers to beat up instead.
 
@FredOverflow Welcome to the new C++
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's funnier when it's not some random dude, I guess. It wouldn't find it as funny if it were with different characters, or just random dudes.
 
@FredOverflow could've been worse. like..idk. declauto(typeid) :p
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6:18 PM
At one place, I had to destroy 12 HDD with a sledgehammer. Never had so much fun:)
 
@melak47 How about auto fun() -> static?
 
auto fun() -> typedef
 
Some of those diecast drive cases take some smashing up.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have fun:)
 
6:20 PM
you guys are nuts :p
 
auto * p = &p;   // What does your compiler say about this? :)
 
@ThePhD o.o
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow error
name of auto-initialized variable may not appear in its own initializer
 
@ThePhD is the one argument the {} maybe?
 
error: use of ‘p’ before deduction of ‘auto’
That was rather boring.
 
user3010322
6:21 PM
@melak47 :l
 
I mean..idk, but I've seen nov. ctp screw up spectacularly with {} vs ()
 
@Xeo Interestingly, void is the only type that works here. Too bad the compiler is not able to figure that out :)
 
Xeo
"too bad"?
 
Xeo
Go die in a void
 
6:22 PM
and mixing the binding && to & default argument stuff with {} and stuff...you're basically just asking for trouble
 
Xeo
uninterpret_cast<void>(FredOverflow)
 
1
Q: What do you dislike most about some of your favorite C++0x features?

Faisal ValiWhile I am excited that C++0x will be much more fun to program in than C++98, I sometimes feel that some of the new features leave something important to be desired. For e.g. initializer lists can not be deduced as references to arrays, variadic templates don't allow for member packs or arbitrary...

What a weird question.
 
[[override]] wat
 
Xeo
old syntax, with attributes
 
@FredOverflow Instead of closing, does this not belong to programmers.SE?
 
6:27 PM
No. It belongs in the bin.
 
user3010322
const index_type& = index_type( )
 
user3010322
That takes care of that I guess.
 
WTF, why can't I upvote this answer? Oh yeah, some guy named FredOverflow wrote it :)
 
18
A: What C++0x feature will have the most impact?

Billy ONealUnicode support. No more cobbles and hacks to get correct handling of unicode characters -- now the entire unicode standard is natively supported by the language.

lol
 
@ThePhD I think GCC also had problems with that syntax not long ago.
 
6:33 PM
Has anybody seen @rightfold lately?
He seems to have disappeared from the face of the Lounge.
 
@FredOverflow that's the potato
 
He didn't start and abandon any projects yet though
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow She*
 
@rightfold Gender operation?
 
@ScarletAmaranth It was a pretty interesting episode I you ask me :)
 
6:37 PM
proper bookcases always contain fish
 
BUT WHY IS NYAA STILL DOWN???
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Are they dead?
 
Ell
@rightfold *schlee
I'm swallowing ice cubes
it's fun
maybe it will become useful one day
 
@Ell Have you been challenged to write Java code or swallow ice cubes for charity?
 
Ell
6:39 PM
haha neither
 
chrome added new user choosing button
it allows multiple persons to have their own shortcuts to chrome
 
@BartekBanachewicz Life just got liveable
 
@PolymorphicPotato Why do you keep renaming/making new accounts?
Is somebody after you? Are you afraid THEY will find you?
 
@StackedCrooked Ah, so it is not just for me.
 
Xeo
6:55 PM
@StackedCrooked either DDoS or that Japan anti-anime-piracy thing
 
that's what I'm thinking
 
Xeo
HorribleSubs is down because the Nyaa.se DNS server is down. if you had the IP for horrible's website, you could still connect
 
Horrible Subs was up earlier today.
 
Xeo
ah, then DDoS is most likely
 
I think Japan is doing the DDOS.
 
6:57 PM
> self.assertEqual(user.groups.all(), [])
AssertionError: [] != []
 
There are plenty of reasons for a site to be down that are not DDoS :v
 
Are countries allowed to do that?
 
yup, seems different to me too
 
all() returns a QuerySet
 
oh
 
6:58 PM
It reprs to a list literal for some stupid reason, but it's not a list
 
Thanks.
 

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