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2:00 PM
don't know wtf to do
 
Call a hooker.
 
1. Install Windows 8.1
2. Write a better contacts app
 
Is my possible dupe here a real dupe or not? I don't know for sure:
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Q: Is there any c++ standard class witch is same with GetTickCount?

PengChatunsigned int Tick = GetTickCount(); this code is running only on windows. So, i want to use C++ Standard library. i searched std::chrono, but i can't found function like GetTickCount. Do you know? Thanks.

 
can't install even free apps without a microsoft account.
 
2:03 PM
Burn the witch
 
@Puppy Same on Google Play, with a Google account.
 
Embrace the butt and the fact that smartphones are utter shit
 
yeah, I expected that part, iOS did it too.
 
If you wanted full freedom to do whatever you want you should have gone for Android.
 
don't know why they do it, but I expected it
 
2:04 PM
There you can at least in principle dump Google completely.
And trade them for, say, Amazon :-p
or whatever.
But you should be able to create a SIM contact, at least my Xperia allows me to...
 
@rubenvb There's really no other example, because no one else has both the balls and the weight to face off against Google on their own turf.
 
You can probably disable syncing
 
why is a cloud contact such a big deal? There are upsides like when the phone gets lost.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, the Amazon store works fine, and there's a couple more alternative stores. You don't have to have google on your phone.
 
Because the vendors are notoriously shit at encrypting the synced data properly
 
2:06 PM
email, texts and everything else is completely unrelated to any cloud service provider.
@CatPlusPlus Don't worry, someone else 'll have sync'ed that data with them anyways, regardless of the fact that you did it or not.
 
@JohanLarsson because the downsides are worse
 
@rubenvb So?
Oh, you mean something else. Well, no
 
@Puppy They're gonna ignore it entirely.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know.
 
blog it?
 
2:08 PM
Explaining privacy to cloud fanbois is like explaining economy to buttcoiners
8
 
@JohanLarsson On a Microsoft hosted blogging website!
 
@CatPlusPlus buttclouders?
 
Cloud-to-butt not just in the name
 
ALL THE BUTTS
 
oh yeah
if you download an app, then all the apps that want an update take priority, even if you click the "Check download progress" button on the app you're trying to download.
 
user1804599
2:17 PM
WARNING:
WARNING:
Unable to find package 'FunScript'.
 
user1804599
Empty warnings ;_;
 
user1804599
Fuck you NuGet.
 
@rightfold what do you use for testing in PHP?
 
plot twist: the kid was actually buried
and came back as a ghost
 
2:25 PM
@milleniumbug Wrong expectation on your part.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey PHPUnit.
 
user1804599
And I'll soon open-source our QuickCheck port.
 
@rightfold Empty promises
 
@rightfold That's part of the Openness promise: the community will have to fill those in themselves.
 
@VáclavZeman std::future_errc::broken_promise :(
 
2:30 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is she Cersei Lannister?
 
shitthatdidnthappen.txt
 
@AlexM. why would he do that
@Puppy I have been unable to uninstall apps without re-login with my 'online' account. That was Win8
 
@chris I GET THESE JOKES NOW!!! YEAHHHH
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Great, that conversation just reminds me of what follows :/
 
@sehe for an exciting horror story plot of course
 
2:34 PM
I saw it coming, but I didn't see that coming.
 
> after undo all patches to boost, the problem is solved. sorry for stupid question. link
> exciting
> horror story
'nuff said
 
horror stories can be exciting
well, if they're turned into games
 
Did you know that 9 out of 10 constipated people don't give a shit?
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Hey!
 
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Q: How do I initialize an object of std::array<std::array<T, 2>, 2>?

emsrI'm trying to initialize objects of type thing: template<typename T> struct thing : std::array<std::array<T, 2>, 2> { }; thing<int> t1 {{ {1,2}, {3,4} }}; I get: error: no matching function for call to ‘thing<int>::thing(<brace-enclosed initializer list>)’ thing<int> t1 {{{1,2},{3,4}...

Speaking of horror stories.
 
2:38 PM
In spite of the OP's happy "Got it" this is a vague description of the functions, not an explanation as was asked for. I'm unhappy that it's upvoted. Rehashing documentation should not gain votes. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 1 min ago
Oh noes, the details!
 
"Comparing strings, c++"? I'm outta here.
 
This was such an invalid close:
Yet I did
 
I should stop tracking my sleep deficit. Things were so much better when I didn't worry about it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is your sleeping deficit?
 
Can you borrow sleep from someone else? That's how governments solve deficits, right?
 
2:46 PM
@TonyTheLion Well, companies borrow money, too. And banks.
 
@VáclavZeman 18 hours this week.
 
@VáclavZeman it was a joke
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In 5 days. That's quite a lot.
 
If f(x,y)=x^2+y^2, what is f(r,θ)?
 
@TonyTheLion No, it was not!
 
2:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why you no sleep enough?
 
@VáclavZeman This week as in a window of 7 days.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes r^2+θ^2
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes r*(sin(theta) + cos(theta))?
 
user1804599
echo get_class($this->dealer);
// prints Products
 
user1804599
Makes perfect sense.
 
2:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you are basically sleeping 6 hours a day?
 
A bit less, on average, with a rather high variance.
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
^ It's very nice.
 
user3010322
I want to dance like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I think you will survive. But for me it would not be sustainable long term. I need 7 hours myself.
 
2:49 PM
Pff DFHack people are slacking off
 
welp
 
Octavia is a beautiful name
 
guess you can't search your phone with Windows 8.1.
 
Holy shit this PHP command line utility sucks
 
2:51 PM
why is it that the simplest features are the ones that don't exist?
 
Because mobile
 
It doesn't even notify me of wrong filepath or wrong option format. It just goes "yup, everything is fine" and simply ignores it.
 
What command line utility
 
phpunit
 
> PHP command line utility
Why are you even using that?
 
2:53 PM
You can get by on 2-4 hours of sleep per day if you do it right.
 
@VáclavZeman I've wanted to get a proper sleep cycle again ever since I left university, but I'm not determined enough to do it.
 
$> phpunit test --bootstrap=does/not/fucking/exists.php
PHPUnit 4.1.4 by Sebastian Bergmann.

.setupok

Time: 233 ms, Memory: 2.50Mb

OK (1 test, 0 assertions)
 
> PHP
Why are you even using that?
 
I've nuked my only PHP thing long time ago but I think I had my own runner for tests
 
2:54 PM
fuck you markdown
 
so
 
@milleniumbug uni
 
@VáclavZeman What worries me more is not the total time, but the fact that it oscillates like mad between 2 to 12 hours a day.
 
you can't remove the thing that wants to track your location, you can't update it without turning it on, and you can't remove it from the list of things demanding your attention.
 
2:56 PM
who the fuck makes this shit
 
best track ever (even though it's a compilation of sorts)
> you can't remove it from the list of things demanding your attention
@Puppy that part makes sense at least
 
@Jefffrey Well, ok then. Proceed.
 
@Puppy Gee, I'm glad I didn't actually switch to WP.
 
not sure what you expected really
 
Slightly less bad than Android.
 
2:58 PM
I hate long functions
and long source files in general
I just can't continue working until I split shit
it's like a barrier or something
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno. I like the ability to say "fuck off, I don't care".
 
@Jefffrey Why are you bothering with unit tests then :v
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What I expected is that you can either update it without having to activate it tracking your location, or remove it from the list of things that you must urgently deal with because you already decided not to update it.
and what I definitely expected is that "Things you're currently downloading" takes priority over "Things you might want to download", not the reverse.
 
@Puppy what thing?
 
@CatPlusPlus Because I want to end this as soon as possible in a reliable way :)
 
3:01 PM
@rubenvb Some location tracking something.
 
@Jefffrey Just make it barely work
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I care whenever when my phone tells someone where I am and I don't want any virus to easily be able to disable that
 
my longest source file right now is 104 LOC... this is sorta good for me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought he was referring to the request for tracking your location. (I guess "wants to" threw me into that train of thought)
 
@CatPlusPlus If I don't trust what I write I tend to rewrite everything every week, independently by how much I care. It already happened 3 times now.
 
3:02 PM
Like there's a notification going "Hey, we need your location, gimme gimme" and you just go "fuck you".
 
@Jefffrey You dum
 
But now it seems I misunderstood.
 
lol
 
@Puppy uhu. If it's not part of the OS, uninstall it?
Or what kind of China phone did you get?
 
@rubenvb It is and you can't.
 
3:03 PM
Then why is it nagging you to update itself?
 
That's what he's been asking himself.
 
presumably because that component wants to be updated.
 
Uninstallable vendor apps are a thing
 
what I can't fathom is why you can't a) update it without turning it on, and b) tell it to fuck off and you don't want to update it.
 
On Android, too
 
3:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus I already uninstalled all the ones I could.
 
@CatPlusPlus Sure, but then you root your phone and remove that crapware.
 
this one doesn't even count as an "app".
 
Sure, if you don't like having a warranty
 
@Puppy What's it called?
 
"Motion Data".
 
3:05 PM
I can't uninstall the crap that keeps on asking me to contribute to crap like folding @ home when charging my phone
there's a notification all the time and you can't stop it
 
What kind of phone is that?
 
Nokia duh
 
if you care that much about causes use your stupid servers to do folding (@HTC)
 
The only phones with WP8 :v
 
don't nag me about it
 
3:06 PM
@AlexM. They do.
phones aren't even that great at folding.
 
@Puppy Shoulda ordered GPS jammer to go with the phone :v
 
@Puppy I'm guessing it uses the GPU... which can't even do proper gaming
but at least I can view web pages at 1080p!
 
didn't buy the phone to play games
 
If you're worried about privacy you shouldn't have bought a [Windows /Android /i]Phone
 
Well that narrows it down to nothing!
 
3:09 PM
And stuck with that 3310.
Or the Sailfish, Ubuntu, Firefox, etc... stuff.
 
get a BlackPhone or whatever it's called
 
There's stuff besides those I mentioned.
 
my iPhone 3GS did not make me activate location tracking to update the OS.
 
Just very crappy, unusable stuff.
 
that supersecure android phone that doesn't even have an appstore
 
3:10 PM
or pull a lot of this shit, in fact.
 
I wouldn't even mind no apps if I could have a non-shitty mobile OS
 
starting to wish I'd just bought another one, ancient hardware be damned.
 
@Puppy just turn on location tracking. FFS
 
@rubenvb Fuck no. I'm not gonna let Microsoft track my location.
 
they gon' come for you
they feast on puppies
 
3:11 PM
Oh no, they're gonna find you now!
Who says your iPhone 3GS never tracked your location?
 
@rubenvb Also that's a shitty attitude that results in the situation we see right now hth
 
well, I assume there are laws about tracking you without your knowledge/consent.
 
If we're going to be paranoid, might as well do it properly.
 
iOS is probably backdoored
 
get a nokia n900
it's a smartphone
and nobody gives a shit about tracking maemo users anymore
 
3:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus I agree with you on that point, and I surely don't like the current situation.
 
you can even sudo it
 
lol
 
like, without rooting and stuff like that
 
What we need is blank mobile hardware that's not terribly expensive
 
@AlexM. Actually... that's what I did now. Bought it dirt-cheap.
 
3:13 PM
Hey Nokia you're dying anyway wanna give that a shot
 
iirc Microsoft bought out Nokia, so good luck with that
 
What happened to Ericsson? Ericson > Sony Ericson > void
 
user1804599
thecoshman
 
@JohanLarsson sony bought all of sony ericsson
 
3:15 PM
They still have Android phones on offer
 
IIRC there's some sort of things Ericsson still has (I may be wrong)
but all of the smartphone division is sony's now
 
Sony buying ericson was like 15 years ago
 
@Jefffrey That is when I last checked.
 
I don't think they bothered rebranding the old(er) Xperias
not sure which Xperia was the first Sony-only Xperia
 
3:17 PM
What phone has linux os?
 
speaking of SE, this was my first phone
 
@milleniumbug Openmoko managed to deliver something, so maybe this will, too
 
@JohanLarsson I think the closest you can get is with ubuntu phone and maemo (on nokia n900)
it's based on debian
 
Maybe it won't even be completely terrible :v
 
3:18 PM
@CatPlusPlus stop kidding yourself
 
Not preordering or anything but I can follow that
 
apparently maemo fused with some intel mobile OS and became meego
 
@milleniumbug ew, that site is strobing for me
wtf! what sort of smart phone uses resistive touch screens! Those things are terrible
 
A cheap smartphone?
 
Hey, it's SysAdmin Day today.
 
3:28 PM
Hey it's Friday and I need to finish boring stuff
 
3:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes, Are you naked again? — chris 8 secs ago
 
btw who's using PGP, we should make Lounge's web of trust
 
Well, I guess I'm technically using a bit of PHP atm
 
I might deploy TLS today, but fuck the ~~pki establishment~~ (wildcard certs are so ripoffy) so the certs will be PGP signed only
 
The number of functions that are specified as "same as otherFunction() except for this tiny difference" is too dang high.
 
3:43 PM
You should be a nerd like me and sign my key
 
> Lounge's web of trust
hmmm
not sure what use that would be
 
Validating certs for one :v
Also being huge nerds
 
a web of suspicion in a cloud of bs
 
@CatPlusPlus I think being a huge nerd is a bit of a requirement to be in the Lounge
 
@TonyTheLion I don't qualify, just a wannabe.
 
3:52 PM
lol
 
"If you want to have a function, which is pure virtual, but don't allow the caller to make a call - don't declare it (at all)." what — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
 
@chris I feel the need to state that I'm not a naturist.
 
Too late for that
 
New thing?
 
No
Urgh I need a break from this boring stuff
 
Xeo
4:00 PM
@Jefffrey Happens if somebody comments while you're browsing the page
 
@Jefffrey Yes.
Never seen it before about 30 minutes ago
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uh, no?
 
Yeah, me neither.
 
Been there for months
 
Xeo
^
 
4:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not for me it hasn't.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: The intent was to convey a rough approximation to aid in comprehension rather than quoting chapter and verse from the standard. With that said, I rather like R. Martinho Fernandes explanation for delete. — Edward 4 mins ago
oh yawn yawn yawn "I'm not a pedant"
@Edward: Well if by "convey a rough approximation" you really mean "propagate a dangerous and popular misconception" then you're doing a great job! — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm popular!
 
I just got it today I think.
 
:'( I think that heat has found it's way over to Ireland
 
@thecoshman its*
 
> 2012-03-30: 'Live updates' now includes new answers and new comments
See, years even
 
4:04 PM
Nope, it's not referring to live updates
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ironic, isn't it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Gloriously
@CatPlusPlus Er, no, that's not what we're talking about
We're talking about the "add comment | " being in front of "show more comments"
 
It's referring to the fact that both "add comment" and "show more comments" are displayed
 
Oh god really
Nerds
 
And it's a new thing
It disrupts my workflow
 
4:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus where "Oh god really. Nerds" = "oh okay I now admit that I was wrong and humbly apologize for my wrongdoing and dickishness", yeah?
 
@CatPlusPlus What.
22 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
I was wrong, yes, that's not really relevant though
 
Not the same thing
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I admit I was wrong, yes
So bored
 
I don't see why anyone would add a comment before reading the whole thread, anyway. it's retarded
 
If you don't change the UI at least once per month it withers and dies
 
I AM TIRED
 
4:12 PM
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Q: Do we *really* want this new "add a comment" link?

Lightness Races in Orbit So, we've had discussions about the comment unfolding before, but I can't find any post that explicitly mentions the fact that a change was rolled out today. The change is to add "add a comment | " before the unfolding link; previously, it showed up only when no unfolding was needed or after pe...

 
I am bored
 
But three-week weekend!
 
surely devs have more useful things to do
 
@CatPlusPlus unbore yourself. ie do something
 
4:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes >Then take a nap and then FIRE LE MISSLES!
 
I can't, I need to finish this shit
 
then finish it
 
It's boring
 
4:39 PM
HOLIDAY BITCH
 
I like that the functionality exists now - that damn text entry field gets in my way all the time when I just want to read comments. Not wild about the positioning, but haven't used it enough yet to have strong feelings. — Shog9 ♦ 20 mins ago
hahahaha, so it's just someone OCDing.
 
?
@MartijnPieters: I still instinctively reach for the little latch next to the drive bay when trying to insert a USB stick; just one of those holdovers from the 5¼" floppy days. Can't help it mate... — Lightness Races in Orbit 13 secs ago
 
Xeo
hm, I should prolly start loading the Win 8.1 ISO if I want to put that on my new PC later
 
user1804599
> Then I read about the calculus of inductive constructions, which incidentally seems to have little to do with calculus, heat transfer, or construction.
 
user1804599
4:51 PM
lol heat transfer
 
Russia publicly joins war on Tor privacy with $111,000 bounty
Interior Ministry wants way to crack down on anonymous bloggers, other criminals. http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/russia-publicly-joins-war-on-tor-privacy-with-111000-bounty/
 
user1804599
% cabal install …
 
user1804599
inb4 error
 
user1804599
Time to try Agda and F*.
 
5:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Where did the other 20 pounds go to?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes returning blowjob money by the look of that photo
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I see.
 
Today is let's break other people libraries day for me.
 
user1804599
src/full/Agda/Utils/Cluster.hs:50:10:
    Duplicate instance declarations:
      instance Monad m => Functor (EquivT s x y m)
        -- Defined at src/full/Agda/Utils/Cluster.hs:50:10
      instance Functor m => Functor (EquivT s c v m)
        -- Defined in `Data.Equivalence.Monad'
 
user1804599
5:07 PM
Oh the Haskell ecosystem. What a joy.
 
5:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, Understood the ambiguity and rectified! — Ajay 32 mins ago
love when people use "ambiguity" to shield the truth when the truth is that they are talking nonsense
 
user1804599
-6
Q: learning python introduction to class defintion

bpascal123itz not working, plz help class FooClass(object): """ma toute premiere class: FooClass""" version = 0.1 #attribut de classe (donnees) def __init__(self, nm='Louis Martin'): """contructeur""" self.nom = nm #attribut d'instance (donnees) print 'Cree une ins...

 
user1804599
ahahah
 
@rightfold "SO also doesn't work for you"
 
` """ma toute premiere class: FooClass"""`
chips and fish fingers yum <3
 
5:47 PM
chips*
 
^^
I have this deeper pan in which to fry things but it takes ages to actually fry things in it; I have no idea if the pan is inappropriate or if the now larger amount of oil makes that much of a difference
I didn't buy it, I received it
but at least oil doesn't spill over anymore
so the kitchen is cleaner
 
had a thunderstorm here and lost power
 
Did they fix static mutex initialization in c++11?
 
user784668
Yes?
 
It wasn't clear what happens when two threads try to init the same static local...
 
user784668
5:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I remember hearing that when disks reached 1 GB.
 
@AlexM. It's a good shot.
 
6:12 PM
@Mikhail It is in C++03.
 
user784668
It's UB in C++03 and well-defined in C++11.
 
I think in C++03 might even be outside UB, because threading wasn't in C++03
whats the stuff the standard doesn't define called
 
user784668
UB in practice because a race.
 
What the standard doesn't define is undefined behaviour.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No shit.
 
user784668
6:26 PM
ur mom is undefined behavior
 
Why is TortoiseSVN so fucking slow.
 
There are Known Unknowns (UB) and Unknown Unknowns (??)
 
qt creator is as smooth as ever
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Because SVN?
 
should I put my work experience that is not related to software development on my resume?
 
6:41 PM
@cyberspace009 Yes, you should enough that you can keep talking during the whole interview
 
@Mikhail Making sure because I have these retail jobs I did long time ago.
 
@AlexM. What magic did you do?
 
Getting these sales people bothering me about their consulting team.
retail can go fuck itself.
 
@Nican I ran it
 
Wut
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Q: Which language should someone learn to make Microsoft happy?

Yousuf MemonWhich language should someone learn to make Microsoft happy? C, C++, C#, ASP ? Any guesses and reasons.

 
6:46 PM
@chris Oh dear.
 
@cyberspace009 That might not be relevant, I was thinking hobbies or volunteering
 
@Mikhail Should I remove my retail jobs from my resume if I want a entry level in software development?
I do have projects and maybe I should link them
 
lol my meta answer is at +61
welcome gold badge
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have sound alerts set when my hr reaches certain zones, so I know when I'm going too fast (or too slow). I also compare it to the speed and that gives me a prettty well understanding of how tired I am.
by avoiding peak power you can work more efficiently
 
@cyberspace009 Yes, thats a really good idea. I got an internship my 2nd university year because I described a project that used java xscockets, even though it wasn't commercial. If your project sucked, you shouldn't link to it, just lie about it.
 
and your body, stuffed with adrenaline, really can give you mixed signals on how hard are you working at a given point and how tired you are.
having it as sound alerts is nice because I don't have to look at it constantly.
@cyberspace009 all jobs give you some kind of experience
even if that's only being punctual, that's something
 

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