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12:04 AM
"Hello, Microsoft Garage". "Hey, my MS Citicar has a problem. The clutch disengages on its own and the engine revs up to 7000. I don't go anywhere". "Ah.. you too. We'll get around to it in a couple months".
 
@MartinJames No, no.
"Ah.. you too. We'll fix this in the Citicar 3000".
 
LOL!
 
@Rapptz Is this for that?
 
yes
how are you stalking me
:C
 
user3010322
s/how/why
 
12:11 AM
I'm slow
 
oh it's in my public feed
duh
 
:)
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked It's not really that things change slowly. It's just that quite literally there are groups of people sitting on top of the devs that determine which features and fixes get pushed out to customers.
 
I'm kind of surprised anatomy isn't taken
guess programmers don't care about anatomy or medicine
 
@ThePhD product managers?
 
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12:13 AM
Plus, you have to remember they can't be releasing a bunch of tiny little fixes because they are then completley obligated to support those fixes for the next 2-4 years, at least.
 
@Rapptz except @DeadMG :v
 
tbh my feed is full of ghost repos from rightfold
 
lol
 
And Xeo I guess :/
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked Basically.
 
12:14 AM
my feed is always empty
 
my feed is full of ghost repos from @ThePhD :p
 
@Rapptz Reminds me - I haven't fed the dog today:(
 
@Jefffrey lmao
that bad huh
 
user3010322
Product Managers are also not exactly capable of fixing it and pushing it out themselves either: quite litereally, there's a lot of managers / product managers who cannot code.
 
12:15 AM
 
user3010322
@melak47 I don't have any ghost repos. D:
 
@Jefffrey vecteur >_>
 
@ThePhD What kind of backward logic is this?
 
@ThePhD they could be for all I know, since I can't look inside :v
 
They don't support VS for 2 years.
That's the point.
 
12:16 AM
Has Microsoft ever fixed bugs post-release Visual Studio?
 
@Rapptz so, anything that is not from rightfold is extremely interesting for me :P
 
@Rapptz They have these updates now.
 
s/when they release//
 
They use to have service packs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool
 
user3010322
12:16 AM
@Rapptz VS updates, periodically, but bigger features need to be "RTM-verified".
 
but the updates don't fix shit :(
 
@ThePhD But bug fixes are not bigger features.
 
and the CTPs don't update the stdlib :(
 
user3010322
And by RTM-verified they mean goofing off while watching <chrono> fail. :D
 
I found this neat thing: maschek.hu/imagemap
makes the <area> nonsense for me :D
 
12:18 AM
Always nice to end the day with beer and slagging off MS.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still have to commit to pushing them out and managing them.
 
@ThePhD So what?
 
user3010322
That's too much effort for MS. :D
 
MS is a multimillion dollar company, I'm sure they can manage
 
user3010322
12:19 AM
multibillion*
 
not for long if they have a big launch party for every little VS fix :v
 
user3010322
And well, either they can't manage or they can't be arsed. :D
 
VS is too cheap for you to have the right to bug fixes.
 
yeah, only $14K? for ultimate :p
and that gets you a broken version that lasts 1 year :p
 
I'm still on VS2012
 
12:20 AM
@ThePhD Selling it should be their commitment to that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I have a great idea to motivate them...release them as DLC!
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes But why do that, when you're going to release VS 2014 a yearish later and can milk everyone for bugfix and feature money all at once?! :D:D:D:D
 
VS C++ fix #123, only 800 microsoft points!
 
user3010322
They usually do have private fixes, though. For like, internal vendors and partners.
 
12:21 AM
maybe in the future they'll realise they can milk money more by doing bugfix DLC.
$2/bug
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes In all seriousness, there's money to be made off selling bugfixes as features. So they do.
 
@ThePhD ..and presumably protected fixes, for 3rd-party resellers.
 
@melak47 That's not the upgrade price.
(Not that the upgrade is cheap)
 
user3010322
Only 4K to upgrade!
 
user3010322
Or something like that. Maybe.
 
user3010322
12:27 AM
But still. That's a lot. Then again. Ultimate is meant for corporations.
 
user3010322
What are they extra features? Who knows.
 
@ThePhD Surely there's a feature matrix?
 
user3010322
Probably somewhere on their main website or something.
 
Express is so shitty they don't even mention it
 
user3010322
If they created each of their packages as modules and shipped at least some parts separately (like the VC++ Compiler, for example) that'd really make it a lot easier to not crank out a whole VS update or a new version.
 
user3010322
12:29 AM
But that'd require different divisions inside Microsoft to agree on how their data is communicated between things and try to share the same base libraries and not duplicate so much code.
 
user3010322
And that's just absurd!
 
huh
does VS 2013 Express even exist?
I can't find it anywhere on their website
 
user3010322
Look harder, n00b.
 
@Rapptz They probably think that they've hooked as many hapless devs as they can already.
 
12:32 AM
oh it's all the way in the bottom
 
Visual Studio is the equivalent to XCode for mac?
 
lol no
VS is not that bad
 
Nothing is that bad.
 
user3010322
Meh. I think most major IDEs (Eclipse, QtCreator, VS, XCode) are starting to tend towards each other in feature sets.
 
That sounds horrible.
 
12:33 AM
xcode is bad because...?
 
user3010322
Code::Blocks is still in its own world of... I don't even know.
 
user3010322
I can't name any others that I'd want to use.
 
@Jefffrey ...because the people who wrote it have no clue of how to design or implement an IDE that would actually work worth a shit?
 
Seems a reasonable summary.
 
@JerryCoffin isn't that a longer rephrase of "xcode is shit"?
 
12:35 AM
At least now my coworker doesn't complain anymore about LLDB crashing and bringing the whole IDE down.
 
@ThePhD Code::Blocks is okay.
I wonder if it's improved.
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey debugger does weird shit with gdb and g++, evaluating expression is the lulz (much like Eclipse's and NetBeans (oh, that's the other one, NetBeans muahaha)), the auto-runner refuses to allow you to modify shell environment variables through its UI (you have to write a bash script to do that too (why give me all these useless option features?))
 
user3010322
Sometimes it just crashes on you. Not even a prompt. Just explodes.
 
@ThePhD Er, evaluating expressions is crap everywhere/
 
Fuck shell environment variables.
 
12:36 AM
what do you mean evaluating expressions?
 
In the debugger, I suppose.
 
oh
 
user3010322
@Rapptz a + b and stuff like that in the debugger or a.b()
 
those are fine in Qt Creator
never had issues with it
 
user3010322
My perception of VS is poisoned, though, because I also use VS for C#.
 
user3010322
12:38 AM
And VS for C# is basically sex for your fingers, compared to all the other experiences.
 
gee, wonder why
 
user3010322
Combine that with R# and it's basically free sex for your fingers with accompany fine wine.
 
it's almost like Microsoft made both C# and VS.
 
user3010322
:P
 
@ThePhD not sure if I want that
 
user3010322
12:39 AM
@StackedCrooked Vodka?
 
@Rapptz lol
 
I like to keep my hands clean.
 
Qt Creator is the best IDE I've used for gcc :v
just pointing that out again
 
it is nice, yes
 
user3010322
QtCreator probably is the best IDE for gcc. I've never been happy with Eclipse or NetBeans for it.
 
user3010322
12:40 AM
NetBeans is particularly terrible, and has no idea about context. I don't think Eclipse did either back when I used it.
 
My colleagues use Eclipse and seem to like it.
 
ok, well time to sleep I think
 
user3010322
E.g. in VS when I was in debug mode, I could repurpose half my hotkeys for the "debug" mode and the hotkey assigner wouldn't un-assign keys for regular modes or complain unduly.
 
I've been using QtCreator since 2010 or so.
 
@ThePhD Er, Eclipse is way more configurable on that aspect.
 
user3010322
12:41 AM
vOv It might have gotten better. I remember trying to set the same hotkey (F5 and F5) for start and stop debugging and using contexts to separate them, and Eclipse wasn't having any of it from me.
 
It's a feature as old as dirt in Eclipse.
 
I don't mind typing std::, but stuff like std::chrono::duration_cast<std::chrono::microseconds>(..) is getting a little too verbose.
 
namespace time = std::chrono!
I'm really curious how this works
 
using namespace std::chrono works better.
muahahah
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I am pretty dumb, and considering I was dumber before, I wouldn't be surprised if I fucked it up. :D
 
12:47 AM
How old is dirt?
 
@Jefffrey Exactly 1 ay.
 
1 earths old.
 
@StackedCrooked ay?
 
@Rapptz you mean namespace timeywimey { namespace wibblywobbly = std::chrono; } ? :p
 
12:49 AM
@StackedCrooked it's 1 eye old? I don't get it
 
There's nothing to get. I tend to be amused by certain word formations.
 
> Dirt is still being produced all the time, albeit in much lesser quantities. Beneath the soil's surface, rocks constantly react with rainwater or groundwater and slowly grind together to break down into smaller minerals. So in that respect, dirt really isn't that old.
 
ay = astronomical year = time it takes the sun to orbit around the center of the galaxy? :v
 
@melak47 Time taken for rightfold to complete a project.
 
aah so funny
 
12:51 AM
poor zoid
 
"The hacker wiped our data! Can we trace his IP address?" "He didn't use a DDoS attack so no."
 
I'm pissed, so I have to resort to old stereotypes.
 
@DeadMG sauce?
 
obviously some terrible television program
 
12:52 AM
I bet on NCIS
 
I know you all take the piss out me when I'm not here:)
 
In anime you see stuff like "Red Hot Linux"
 
Hue.
 
@StackedCrooked Kinky.
 
12:53 AM
Saturation.
 
I merely reference my 85-pound weight loss
 
dfzgfweriosdfhhhhhhho;sdafiadrutyrgatufiosrd;aeughergoaeruiogaerghaez
 
FYI That was from the series Chobits.
 
@MartinJames Crumbs?
 
@MartinJames what do you mean with hhhhhhho?
 
12:54 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pissedoffness. Crumbs later when my pizza is thawed. Gotta check.
 
TIL there is a Reverse Engineering SE.
 
Chobits? 'My pipe reaches 46 chobits at night to a good server'?
 
A chobit is .. basically a sexy android.
 
@StackedCrooked OH.. nothing to do with Middle Earth, then.
 
Not directly.
I saw it back in 2009. I remember that I liked the opening music. And in the first ep the main character finds a chobit in the trash and takes it back home. He then tries to find the "ON" switch.
 
12:58 AM
@MartinJames are you still trying to thaw your pizza? :p
 
@melak47 It had sunk to the bottom of the freezer. Liquid nitrogen is warmer.
 
Pizza doesn't need to thaw.
 
nono, you gotta put it in the oven to thaw it, not the freezer :) unless you turn it off
2
 
You preheat the oven and then put frozen pizza in for 14 min.
That's how pizza works.
 
apparently the temp has fallen and can't get up!
 
1:00 AM
If I put frozen pizza in the oven, the outside carbonizes while the middle is still floppy.
 
@Jefffrey Not exactly. In some cases, something is really difficult to learn, but has really good points to justify the effort. In some cases it's a beautiful design, badly implemented. These can all suck in various ways, but still leave you with glimpses of reasons you'd want to continue using them. At least to me, XCode not only sucks, but lacks that hint that if they could just fix their QA or improve a few specific features (or whatever) that it would be drastically improve.
 
@MartinJames Preheating the oven takes at least 24 minutes for me. That's a bummer :(
 
The only real route I can see for improving XCode is to throw it out, fire everybody who's ever worked on it, and start over from the beginning.
 
@MartinJames what do you set your oven to? 1000°C?
 
thaw it in the microwave
 
1:01 AM
@StackedCrooked I checked, pizza is thawed, so oven on, (at 200C).
 
:v
 
@MartinJames woo wee!
 
@melak47 That would make good pizza not floppy
 
@Rapptz I did.
 
1:01 AM
then heat it in a pan
 
I have a pizza oven tray - one of those round things with holes in.
 
@Rapptz great now I'm gonna get food porn recommendations ._.
 
@Rapptz what? no.
don't rape pizza please
 
he said it was frozen
how do you rape frozen pizza?
 
I like you guys
 
1:05 AM
In other news, a 14th century fecal sample has been found in Belgium ...
 
buy a wood-fired oven and cook it there instead
 
dude it's frozen
 
@StackedCrooked um, congrats? :E
 
do you put frozen food in a fire?
 
why not
let's see who wins
 
1:06 AM
for the lulz
 
but does it blend?
 
it lifts
 
Fortunately I'm too fat to get hungry on a whim like a frozen pizza.
 
yeah, when a frozen pizza gets hungry...it'll clear out your whole freezer
 
1:11 AM
@Jefffrey Superb. I'm gonna add extra pepperoni, chopped birds-eye chillis and habanero sauce. Should be hot enough.
 
@MartinJames are you up to 800°C yet? :)
stream your oven
 
@MartinJames :P
 
we wanna see the world pizza burn!
 
@melak47 No webcams in my kitchen:)
 
I'm guessing a few of you here are college level students. If that is the case I have a question.
 
1:12 AM
@ScottW aren't you hungry?
 
Lets say you did a very good job in class that will not show up on your grade.
 
because I am, and you should be too
@CaptainGiraffe congrats, get a pat on the back and move on
 
How would you prefer to be acknowledged and or compensated .
 
wait, you didn't study just for the knowledge?
 
@Jef, this was abit above and beyond the call of duty
 
1:15 AM
why did you do it?
 
I'm the teacher =)
 
plot twist
 
indeed
 
wait...
you are the teacher?
what powers do you have?
 
yes, quite alot. Changing the grading procedure is not one of them.
 
1:17 AM
can you do something for the student career that is actually worth anything?
like, I don't know, point out his effort in the final exam or something
 
there you go
 
The final exam is mine, that will only result in a grade.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Surprise extra credit :v
 
1:19 AM
@JerryCoffin I'll trust you on that
@CaptainGiraffe no, I mean the final final exam
the last one he will ever do before going to work
 
@CaptainGiraffe can you give bonus points in the exam?
 
@Jefffrey There is a real possibility he leaves my care before that happens.
 
@Jefffrey Do you have to be so depressing at this time of night?
 
@melak47 The student is alread maxed out.
 
@CaptainGiraffe On his credit cards?
 
1:21 AM
lol
 
I dunno, give him a beer? He's studying way too much :p
 
@CaptainGiraffe letter of recommendation when he asks for it!
 
^ that
 
1:22 AM
Look, piss-taking apart, if he/she is that good, just write a personal letter of recommendation.
@Rapptz Oh - same page.
 
what's the number?
I think I'm a little behind
 
@Rapptz I have been fortunate enough to have handed out plenty of letters of recommendations. I have a 100% record of supplying work to my students.
 
what do you teach?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Wow! Can I be one of your stud.. hang on, I'm nearly dead and already have too much work:)
 
that looks like a question with an obvious response in this context
 
1:25 AM
c++ and stuff. Stuff includes language theory, empiricism and Java
 
Drain-cleaning?
Oh - I guessed right - Java.
 
android...
 
I gotta go tutor my pizza.
 
I gotta go sleep my brain.
dat letters alignment man
night
 
@CaptainGiraffe java? wtf man we trusted you
 
1:31 AM
lol
 
@melak47 I do perl too.
 
y-you monster ;_;
 
lol my smartphone vibrated on my laptops touchpad and dragged the VS shortcut into my dropbox.
 
Why are your electronics engaging in... er... well...
 
1:35 AM
did nobody ever tell you about the birds and the bytes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why buy new stuff it you can just reproduce what you already have?
If not required, you could use a:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keyboard%20condom
 
> after I screencreamed.
wth am I reading
 
brackets.io apparently this exists
 
> Over the last few sprints
Ah, agile.
 
I'm starting to like Twin Shadow.
 
1:49 AM
@StackedCrooked Yeah, it's a good item.
 

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