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2:01 PM
Did anyone try the clang for Windows build from the 21st February?
 
@thecoshman lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am p sure you're right, but it's funny anyway
 
what r?
ah 201901?
wouldn't even install, let alone compile "Hello, World".
apparently clang-cl is self-hosting and works perfectly unless you need exceptions or RTTI.
 
Ahaha still?
 
yup
presumably also unless you need debugging and stuff.
 
Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't trust you guys about this. There's not a good track record.
 
2:05 PM
hey
I'm the one who hangs out from time to time in #llvm and the only one who regularly uses it so I figure I have the best information out of all of yous
 
You're also the one that failed to install Ubuntu.
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OMFG heart attack... I'm moving tomorrow. I rented a Transporter, to fetch and bring back in Hamburg. Got a mail: "Dear customer, we're prepairing your car for tomorrow... Your reservation: Fetch at 22 Berry Street, L20 8AT Bootle. Bring back at Schaffeldstrasse 46395 Bocholt" WTF??
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not my fault the installer didn't work. Seriously.
 
So I'm taking your feedback into account and am I going to try it myself, but without expectations.
A good evil mastermind always has to do things himself if he wants them done right, anyway.
 
lol Ubuntu failure
good times
 
2:08 PM
Well there was a time the installer was hideously unreliable
Like 5 years ago
 
sure but this was Ubuntu 12.x iirc
 
What I'm saying is that DeadMG is from the past
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yay. I made something that you could sort of call a game. The good old 'guess the number' game. A very crap rendition though I am sure :P
 
I farted
 
2:09 PM
@thecoshman in Erlang?
 
@Xeo @StackedCrooked teeheeheee the latest Kill ka Kill too gud again
 
erm, does tail-call magic work if you foo/1 calls foo/2 and vice versa?
@BartekBanachewicz yeah.
 
you're still doing your flatulence announcements?
 
@thecoshman might not.
 
@thecoshman Should
 
2:10 PM
@DeadMG I just took a humongous dump
 
@ScarletAmaranth Cool. I still have to watch it :D
 
by "still" you make it sound like I haven't had that habit since I first arrived here I believe
 
Mutual recursion?
Banana splits!
 
Nipple salads!
 
though it only has one hard coded number to guess, and no knowledge if you need to up or down. :P
 
2:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes a good evil mastermind?
 
Why are you doing mutual recursion anyway
 
yeah, was writing that you don't need it
 
@jalf Not my fault if English sucks.
 
hehe robot is a good evil mastermind
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes use C++
 
2:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus oh I'm not, just wondering if you can. As I currently have foo/1 call foo/2 (who calls foo/2). foo/1 sort of starts up the loop, as you would not have an initial guess.
 
You are a bad bad person. In fact, you're so bad, you're actually good.
 
so bad at being bad?
 
:thejoke:
 
it's like some kind of double negative!
 
@thecoshman foo/2 x undefined :v
 
2:13 PM
Why the hell does VS even have a fucking internal heap limit?
 
you're overcomplicating
 
USE MY FUCKING RAM GODFUCKINGDAMMIT
 
~performance~
 
user1804599
@thecoshman that is not mutual recursion.
 
Fun fact: did you know PCH is a straight memory dump from the compiler
 
user1804599
2:14 PM
It is mutual recursion if foo/2 calls foo/1 again.
 
@rightfold no, that is what I am currently doing. mutual recursion is just what I was asking about.
@BartekBanachewicz huh?
 
user1804599
Just try it. vOv
 
user1804599
foo() -> bar().
bar() -> foo().

%% now call foo() and see what happens.
 
Memory usage during a build that fails all over the place with "internal heap limit reached"
 
2:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus ... I don't actually use 'foo' as functions numbers
 
@thecoshman You, otoh, are bad at jokes
 
How do I pick between the 32- and the 64-bit cl in my project files?
 
@CatPlusPlus and you are bad at life :P
 
user1804599
@thecoshman wait a second.
 
@CatPlusPlus no way
 
2:16 PM
Probably need a prayer to STL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it has to only use a tiny bit of ram to mock you for having so much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Set platform
 
@thecoshman call it with the 2nd param empty
dunno, show the code
 
@CatPlusPlus The 32-bit compiler can build 64-bit executables.
 
I think it uses native ones by default
Why does it matter, though
 
2:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Aww man, now I can't even have fun?
 
Dunno, maybe the 64-bit has a less ridiculous limit?
 
Ahaha no
 
@BartekBanachewicz here you go. Not a huge amount to see. Mostly just wanting to play around with things.
@BartekBanachewicz I think for this case, it's enough to just have a special case for only one param.
 
game_loop(no_guess, Target);
game_loop({guess, Guess}, Target);
game_loop({guess, Target}, Target);
 
actually, I could just call it the first time with game_loop(get_int(), 666)
 
user1804599
2:20 PM
 
user1804599
It is TCO'd.
 
get_int >>= loop
 
@CatPlusPlus Stop shattering my hopes :(
 
meh okay in this case it doesn't really matter
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes limit as to what, string length?
 
2:23 PM
there we go... just the game_loop/2
 
@DeadMG "internal heap limit"
 
8 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Memory usage during a build that fails all over the place with "internal heap limit reached"
 
now just need to add some higher/lower detections stuff
 
There are 12GB of free RAM to use.
It's bullshit.
 
2:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I tried that option.
 
that /Zm option?
 
user3010322
:D
 
> cl : Command line error D8000: UNKNOWN COMMAND-LINE ERROR
 
it says that the maximum for it is 2000
 
2:25 PM
I'm reaching new heights.
@Rapptz And that means 1500MB. (FFS why?)
 
@thecoshman your get_int looks convoluted :F
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if I'm reading correctly it's 2000 MB but yeah iunno why
oh wait no
 
It's... nonsensical.
 
askForInt :: IO Int
askForInt = do
    line <- getLine

    case reads line of
        [(i, "")] -> return i
        _ -> do
            putStrLn "Enter a valid number!"
            askForInt
 
/Zm100 is 105 MB
 
2:27 PM
I did that as such quite recently
 
@Rapptz "What the hell were they smoking?" is the only reasonable reaction.
 
ITT VC++ is a terrible piece of shit
 
user1804599
@thecoshman gist.github.com/rightfold/9271943 I like this better. :)
 
can't you say like /Zm10000 ?
 
no
 
2:27 PM
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> cl : Command line error D8000: UNKNOWN COMMAND-LINE ERROR
 
the maximum is 2000
 
lol suck
 
@BartekBanachewicz please don't show me haskell examples :S
 
user1804599
I once wrote this game in COBOL. :v
 
@rightfold error, no_integer will not recurse though, will it :S
 
2:29 PM
@thecoshman it's similar enough :F
 
When using a lot templates (especially from the std library) you may get a lot of  error like this:

D:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\INCLUDE\ostream(346) : fatal
error C1076: compiler limit : internal heap limit reached; use /Zm to
specify a higher limit
Error executing cl.exe.
 
That option is percentage :ssh:
 
lmao
 
user3010322
@Rapptz I encountered the same problem while trying to build the UCD without too much optimization
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No, but it didn't in your code either.
 
2:29 PM
/Zm100 is 100% of the default
 
user3010322
VC++ is a PoS.
 
@rightfold :S I am not testing it very well
 
Why the heck would they limit the internal heap memory?
 
@BartekBanachewicz which makes it all the worse IMO
 
2:30 PM
are they morons?
 
Because that compiler has probably worse internals than GCC
 
user3010322
Why did they lmit the dequeue size to 8?
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I can guarantee you the compiler internals for VC++ are complete shit.
 
When I was building ogonek in my RPi, GCC would gladly eat up all the memory and start swapping like crazy, taking some 20x longer to build than normally. But it fucking built.
 
user3010322
I sure hope that changes with their new build engine
 
2:31 PM
Robot, are you compiling with PCH?
 
user3010322
NOT THAT I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE A CERTAIN INTERVIEWER THREW OUT MY APPLICATION.
 
@ThePhD Ahaha no
 
@CatPlusPlus Am, but doesn't matter.
 
user3010322
Guess I'll have to wait 'till next year. :v
 
@ThePhD you didn't :getin:?
 
2:31 PM
@rightfold see, I used the functions to pattern match because... using functions... but I guess the case block does make it look cleaner. Ieaser to see that it is one thing.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Yeah I don't have much hope either.
 
They'd have to rewrite it and it has 0 probability of ever happening
@R.MartinhoFernandes Disable it
 
I have a PCH-less SSCCE.
 
Heh
Well then, you're shit out of luck!
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I'm in and by March 3rd I will be hired. I'm just still slightly peeved they used my old resume, my old application, my old fucking everything.
 
2:32 PM
Split the code into more TUs or something
 
user3010322
It explains why all my interviewers went cross-eyed when I started talking about game development to them.
 
@ThePhD and you will be in a different team?
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz A team I never even heard of or asked to be on, but a team nonetheless.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman gist.github.com/rightfold/9271943 because duplicate code is bad. :P
 
Aren't you working with Etienne now
 
2:33 PM
@ThePhD that's something, I guess.
I have one fucking year more
 
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A: Is it appropriate to emplace a "Donate" button on one's SO profile?

Benjamin GruenbaumYes. I believe it is. There are very few places where you are allowed to advertise yourself or the product. If people want to add donate buttons so people can donate them money if they helped them I think it's completely appropriate. It's not just that user, for example Gordon for example has...

 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Ludia has not given me an offer in the 2-3 months since I passed their interview.
 
and I can start shaping the future of OpenGL :3
 
user3010322
They have indicated to me they would like to, but their HR just... isn't getting back to me with a "this si what you're going to make, this is your team."
 
OpenGL is literally Playdoh
 
2:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you figure out which compiler VS is actually using?
 
user3010322
MS, on the other hand, got back to me in 5 days, with a concrete offer letter.
 
@rightfold oh yeah. Refactoring like that will come with time I'm sure :S
 
user3010322
Laying out all my benefits, salary, housing, etc.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's why it needs more competent people like me on Khronos meetings to start saying shit aloud
 
user3010322
So. I can't very well accept Ludia's offer IF THEY DON'T GIVE ME ONE.
 
2:35 PM
like GET FUCKING DSA ROLLING ALREADY YOU FUCKS
 
@thecoshman sure
 
Start up VS2013 x64 Native Tools Command Prompt and you don't have to wonder whether IDE is using that one in particular
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah I figured it
 
@CatPlusPlus I can repro this with 64 lines of code.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not sure what you mean by that
 
2:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that was paypal BS.
Anyway, my 3k profile views can't compare to your 40k, but let's see if it gets me anything :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Let's see
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TIL gears will never build in MSVC.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did you buy that motorbike?
 
2:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are we talking annual bear or a few bears a day money?
 
if not, then fuck if you're using your money :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've read somewhere that continually gathering donations might be considered income and require a registered company, I'd clear it with our lovely tax agency~~
 
@CatPlusPlus because my button has been a constant stream of continually gathered donations :D
 
user1804599
My tests take too long. :<
 
2:38 PM
but yeah, if I get anything I'll clear it
 
I avoid getting money outside of my job like fire
 
meh, nobody cares about a few bucks over paypal
 
user1804599
Time: 6.12 seconds, Memory: 14.75Mb

OK (14000 tests, 17800 assertions)
 
I don't want to deal with this bullshit
 
which reminds me that I have to fill out the PIT
:effort:
 
2:39 PM
I haven't got mine yet
I should stop by the office
 
fuck I don't want to sit here, but it's a bit too early to go home already
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Have you actually received a single donation?
 
Cue lies
Ok, we solved our problem with MSVC.
 
Xeo
back
and I swear that guy was hellbent on bending me into a pretzel.
 
is constexpr stuff x; illegal?
I'm trying to think why I went through the effort of doing constexpr stuff x{};
 
2:45 PM
For anyone is interested, our solution was: we can afford to not support Windows until summer, so fuck MSVC.
 
such effort
 
well I did it for the 30 some variables :v
not just one
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Buahaha. xD
 
user3010322
Ah, I really do need to switch to MinGW.
 
user3010322
I'm still latched onto the teet of VS's PiX, though.
 
2:47 PM
erm, what do you think of doing the pattern matching like this? The alternative would be to have a game_loop(Guess, Target) when Guess = Target -> but this way seems... right?
 
user3010322
Once I port to OpenGL I'll use gDebugger and VOGL and other tools and I should be able to separately replace these things and then be good all the way through.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I imagined that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes support what
 
hmm
 
@Rapptz Our software. At work.
 
2:49 PM
how do I turn the paypal donate form into a single link I can use for the image?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fwiw, it looks like VS uses the 32-bit compiler when I build from the IDE. Not sure if that's just due to some aspect of our setup though
 
can't use mingw?
 
@DeadMG you mean, like already filled with 1000$ and everything? ;)
 
@DeadMG You too?
 
eh
why not?
it's not like my profile is full of stuff right now
what's the worst that can happen, nobody donates?
 
2:53 PM
being a sell-out
 
@DeadMG someone who is about to give you an amazing job takes a curious look at your profile and takes offense that you would have such a thing and goes a bit mad and hires some goons to whack you
@StackedCrooked surely it's a ... hand-out
 
@BartekBanachewicz no :(
@thecoshman I'll never have to work again
@DeadMG no :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooooh! set _IsNativeEnvironment=true in the environment before starting VS. Then it'll use the 64bit compiler :o
 
@thecoshman er, what is this about?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you must live a very meager life.
@StackedCrooked they are donations...
 
2:54 PM
@thecoshman I am a goat herder in Afghanistan. All I have are the clothes on my back, and some goats. (Plus internet access, a high-quality education, and the constant thread of maiming/death)
 
that is incredibly dumb, even by VS standards
 
@thecoshman I had to click back 5 messages to get what this was about
damnit
 
Probably worthless, I'm giving it a try anyway.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... and your goats are all gone and your clothes have worn away.
 
2:55 PM
@DeadMG [ ![alt][1] ][2]
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, thanks, I got it. Now you can donate to me.
 
lol, when was the last time you updated those (unfinished) tutorials @dead
 
I won't. I'm the one that should be donated to, obviously
 
@thecoshman probably a while ago
 
:S Vim is getting to me, I keep wandering why the pages are not scrolling, then realise I am pressing 'j'
 
2:56 PM
I wonder if I could hack Lightness profile and swap his donate link for mine
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, he would notice that lack of donations very soon after you change it.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman are you implying he's getting any in the first place?
 
@thecoshman damn. I'd donate 10% of them to him then
okay, 20%.
 
Xeo
20% of 0 is still 0
 
2:58 PM
@Xeo he's loaded man! he's getting millions!
 
considering the fact I live in third world country, saudi arabian lunch budget would probably feed me for a year :F
 

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